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#661 jimmyjoners

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:44 AM

Test results are in.

All my levels are normal except for 2.

 

My TSH is 4.31 which is a bit above the normal range and indicates hypothyroidism.

T3,T3 and TSH-Antibodies are all fine though which surprised my doctor.

The other thing that's increased is my lymphocyte count. Normal range is up to 40, I have 40.5

 

Apart from that, Cholesterin is fine, Cortisol is fine(even though tw12 suggested cortisol was the cause), liver is fine, kidney is fine.

My Ferritin(iron) is a bit low at 41 but still in normal range(30-300).

I'm shedding like crazy, is there really nothing you can do?

 

 

Edit: misread post

 

 

Interesting: Via http://emedicine.med...e/122393-workup

 

"Primary hypothyroidism is virtually the only disease that is characterized by sustained rises in TSH levels. As the TSH level increases early in the disease, conversion of T4 to T3 increases, maintaining T3 levels. In early hypothyroidism, TSH levels are elevated, T4 levels are normal to low, and T3 levels are normal. Given this early protection of the T3 level, routine checking of T3 is not recommended if one suspects that a patient is hypothyroid. Drawing a reverse T3 is also not recommended as a routine part of the hypothyroidism workup."


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:40 PM

Test results are in.

All my levels are normal except for 2.

 

My TSH is 4.31 which is a bit above the normal range and indicates hypothyroidism.

T3,T3 and TSH-Antibodies are all fine though which surprised my doctor.

The other thing that's increased is my lymphocyte count. Normal range is up to 40, I have 40.5

 

Apart from that, Cholesterin is fine, Cortisol is fine(even though tw12 suggested cortisol was the cause), liver is fine, kidney is fine.

My Ferritin(iron) is a bit low at 41 but still in normal range(30-300).

I'm shedding like crazy, is there really nothing you can do?

 

You could supplement with iron at those levels... but interesting results...



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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:39 PM

elmechanico, on 02 Aug 2014 - 09:20, said:
Test results are in.
All my levels are normal except for 2.

My TSH is 4.31 which is a bit above the normal range and indicates hypothyroidism.
T3,T3 and TSH-Antibodies are all fine though which surprised my doctor.
The other thing that's increased is my lymphocyte count. Normal range is up to 40, I have 40.5

Apart from that, Cholesterin is fine, Cortisol is fine(even though tw12 suggested cortisol was the cause), liver is fine, kidney is fine.
My Ferritin(iron) is a bit low at 41 but still in normal range(30-300).
I'm shedding like crazy, is there really nothing you can do?


In post 397 back in April you had these results- "I've had a blood test done two weeks ago. My iron and ferritin levels were on the very low end of the normal range despite me taking iron supplements. My TSH was 3.13, slightly elevated but still in the normal range."
Your iron stayed the same (low), but your TSH went up over a point in 3 months. Did the same doctor do both tests and diagnose you with hypothyroidism?Are you on any other supplements right now?
You also stated "In October 2013 I started taking B5. I started on a low dose and gradually made my way up to 10g a day. I noticed increased shedding after 1 and a half weeks of taking B5 and immediately stopped."

So you have been off of b5 for 9 months now and your TSH levels are going up? Does your doctor think there is any connection between the two?
My TSH levels came back normal, but I had only been off of b5 for a month or two. I wonder if I got tested now my TSH would be much higher?
What's interesting is your thyroid stimulating hormone is going up, but your thyroid hormone (T3) is staying normal. I haven't heard of TSH causing hairloss, only abnormal levels of thyroid hormone itself. Also 1.5 weeks of b5, yet raised TSH 9 months later, hard to know if there is a connection. If it is TSH maybe the atomidine that I spoke about originally can help


Were your T levels tested?

 


I think at this point we can rule out cortisol. No one's levels came back abnormal. But we still are torn between the thyroid and DHT. The fact that most people are losing on top, rather then everywhere and the fact DHT inhibiting medications helped many people makes me lean toward DHT.

 

 

The three DHT medications are propecia, avodart and RU (least side effects, but an experimental). Nirozal will also inhibit DHT, but by very little. Propecia and avodart generally have penile and brain side effects. I.E the cure might be worse then the disease. Traveluk took saw palmetto which also inhibits DHT, but experienced brain fog

Only cure for hypothyriodism is supplementing with thyroid pills the rest of your life. If the hypothryiodism is caused by adrenal fatigue then you can potentially cure that. Here is a comparison.  

http://www.drlam.com...othyroidism.asp

 

​Regarding your iron, I posted this before.

 

Iron deficiency meanwhile, in women particularly, has been shown in numerous studies to be a contributing factor in hair loss conditions such as Telogen EffluviumA 1998 study by researchers at Oregon University found that out of 153 women with Telogen Effluvium taking part, iron deficiency was the primary cause of female hair loss in 72 percent of cases. 

 
Summary of working treatments:
 
Avodart, propecia, ru, stinging nettle have worked, but the side effects caused everyone to stop taking them. The only partial successful consistent treat has been Keto and minox
 

Summary of those tested:

 

Blue (took steroids, hard to get accurate results),

 

PJ (normal blood results, scalp biopsy mpb yes)

 

Churchhill (normal levels, derm mpb no) 

 

Ellesarx-  "I got the answer back in a mail 3 days after where it said everyting was normal, this is the test I dont know that they were looking at"  What tested???

 

Discomfortzone "However, both DHEA Sulfate and SHBG are higher than normal: DHEA@ 435 mcg/dL (normal range: 45-345 mcg/dL); and SHBG@75 nmol/L (normal range: 10-50 nmol/L).. " post 314

 

Itsoveryes- High T levels

 

Elmechanio- High TSH


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 04:45 PM

This threads pretty much dead so I'm off, good luck with the hairloss guys if anyone still out there. I'm giving up and shaving my head. Peace out

 

Seriously?

 

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Progesterone is going great. New hairs at hairline. It's too early to get too optimistic though, I want to wait 2-3 months before I take pics for progress.

 

http://www.androgene....baldness.shtml
 

 
One study undertaken to ascertain the efficacy of the compound used topical progesterone (concentration and vehicle unnamed) for 10 to 48 months in 12 men, in the age group 18 to 39 years, with male pattern baldness. None of the subjects grew hair: 6 of them developed further thinning, and the other 6 had the same hair density.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 05:22 PM

Laughable study.

 

No control group!.. only 12 people.. and of course.. "concentration and vehicle unnamed" lol.

 

Thanks for posting, but I think I'll stick with it for the fact that I'm seeing results, and the various anecdotal reports of people (who weren't even trying to grow hair) growing hair back.


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Posted 03 August 2014 - 10:18 PM

Traveluk took saw palmetto which also inhibits DHT, but experienced brain fog

 

Yep I took that at the same time as my final university exams which was a BIG mistake, probably cost me a first class degree.

 

Side effects were horrible brain fog, watery semen and actually increased sex drive for me. It's possible it helped with the hairloss a little but I cannot be sure.

 

I've been off B5 for nearly 1.5 years now and my hair loss is definitely less than before but only since using Nizoral shampoo twice per week and minoxidil twice per day. I certainly do have little hairs growing around my (receded) hairline that didn't exist before but it's been 8 months of "growing" and I'm not sure they have got past anything but wispy little hairs that don't do anything.



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 03:18 AM

Traveluk took saw palmetto which also inhibits DHT, but experienced brain fog

 

Yep I took that at the same time as my final university exams which was a BIG mistake, probably cost me a first class degree.

 

Side effects were horrible brain fog, watery semen and actually increased sex drive for me. It's possible it helped with the hairloss a little but I cannot be sure.

 

I've been off B5 for nearly 1.5 years now and my hair loss is definitely less than before but only since using Nizoral shampoo twice per week and minoxidil twice per day. I certainly do have little hairs growing around my (receded) hairline that didn't exist before but it's been 8 months of "growing" and I'm not sure they have got past anything but wispy little hairs that don't do anything.

 

Word of caution for anyone who plans to use minoxidil longterm... it inhibits collagen production.

 

Collagen is what keeps your skin looking young. Reduced collagen = signs of aging, wrinkles, thin skin, dark circles under eyes, flaky skin, etc.

 

So basically, propecia will wreck your dick, rogaine will wreck your face.. no win situation, lol.



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:07 AM

Think I finally figured this out guys



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:19 AM

Think I finally figured this out guys

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:50 AM

Great work itsoveryes. No matter if your theory is correct or not it's awesome with someone working to figure it out, who also knows what he's talking about.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:11 AM

Just to let you guys know my thyroid blood test was fine and no problems. So that rules out thryroid. I think itsover is on to something tho. Very interesting.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:28 AM

Thanks guys. I posted the information on page 1 for all to see.



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 12:24 PM

Thanks guys. I posted the information on page 1 for all to see.

Dude you are awesome!

 

But.. Is the only cure for this to visit a clinic and get the treatment you linked in the first post? Or can this be fixed with some sort of supplements or diet?


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:32 PM

Thanks guys. I posted the information on page 1 for all to see.

Dude you are awesome!

 

But.. Is the only cure for this to visit a clinic and get the treatment you linked in the first post? Or can this be fixed with some sort of supplements or diet?

 

The clinic will only (potentially) cure you if they follow the exact same techniques listed in the research paper (i.e correct fat cells, correct depth of injection, etc). You can use some DHT suppressors (Nizoral, RU, etc) and wait for the technique to be perfected. Unless you are desperate, then you can ask some clinics for pictures of results and then decide what is best for you. Can try B3/B6, though I believe you are already on those. See my new post.

 

*Edit-New information


Edited by itsoveryes, 06 August 2014 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 01:50 PM

So the cure is to pay 2500$ for a procedure which isn't available in my country, nice!



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:02 PM


Thanks guys. I posted the information on page 1 for all to see.

Dude you are awesome!
 
But.. Is the only cure for this to visit a clinic and get the treatment you linked in the first post? Or can this be fixed with some sort of supplements or diet?
 
The clinic will only (potentially) cure you if they follow the exact same techniques listed in the research paper (i.e correct fat cells, correct depth of injection, etc). You can use some DHT suppressors (Nizoral, RU, etc) and wait for the technique to be perfected. Unless you are desperate, then you can ask some clinics for pictures of results and then decide what is best for you. I'm unaware of any diet/supplements that will help.
Do you mind if I post about this on immortalhair forum and try get "CS", he is the admin there to answer? He got some crazy knowledge about overall health especially related to hairloss.

He might have som knowledge about this.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:22 PM

 

 


Thanks guys. I posted the information on page 1 for all to see.

Dude you are awesome!
 
But.. Is the only cure for this to visit a clinic and get the treatment you linked in the first post? Or can this be fixed with some sort of supplements or diet?
 
The clinic will only (potentially) cure you if they follow the exact same techniques listed in the research paper (i.e correct fat cells, correct depth of injection, etc). You can use some DHT suppressors (Nizoral, RU, etc) and wait for the technique to be perfected. Unless you are desperate, then you can ask some clinics for pictures of results and then decide what is best for you. I'm unaware of any diet/supplements that will help.
Do you mind if I post about this on immortalhair forum and try get "CS", he is the admin there to answer? He got some crazy knowledge about overall health especially related to hairloss.

He might have som knowledge about this.

 

Go ahead, the more people who can help the better. 



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:45 PM

Alright thanks, I will copy your first post about this lipid metabolism theory and ask if he know anything about it.

Will post the link here later

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 04:20 PM

He wrote this.

Elessar - For me, a lipid problem usually means a nutrient problem. Using a pharmacological dose of an isolated, albeit activated nutrient may cause side-effects.

The entire B-complex is needed. Also there are other nutrients that are needed.

Also, there's a lot of confusion surrounding DHT itself, which is another matter. Probably the worst thing is that labs are looked at without an understanding of the entire system. The root of the problem is often ignored in favor of a particular lab value being out of range or with the use of an isolated fraction.

I might look at single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), but ultimately a full medical history and identification of the origin of where the underlying inflammation problem exists.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:01 PM

Not sure about the whole lipid thing to be honest, the jump of: lipid metabolism is broken -> adipose-derived stem cells = cure is not fleshed out in the least. I'll dig further but I'm not convinced.

 

What I do know:

- It's not an issue that can be treated with basic vitamins / nutrients, I've tried them all, and if this were the case it would be temporary and not lasting years.

- The fact that it's all over the head for most says to be it's not typical MPB

- It seems to be at some level sex hormone related, I took propecia after losing hair for a year straight and within 2 week the loss essentially stopped completely

- My hair loss never came back for 5+ years after taking propecia for a few months or so.

- Others have tried Propecia with little effect, perhaps it only worked for me because it causes hypogonadism

- After the propecia I felt off for years, went to numerous doctors, and eventually discovering I had secondary hypogonadism (very low testosterone), likely caused by the propecia

- I took nolvadex in attempt to restart my natural testosterone production, hair loss started again, I stopped the nolvadex and took the few remaining bits of propecia I had and after 4 month the hair loss stopped again (low testosterone came back as well).

- I was put on Androgel, and the hair loss began again

- I never had receeding temples until I was put on TRT and took too much letrozole that lowered my estrogen to near 0 levels, which to me says B5 hairloss isn't necessarily just DHT derived

- I stopped TRT cold turkey for 8 months, testosterone levels tanked again, but the hair loss continues. I am now back on low dose TRT thinking maybe my estrogen got too low.

 

My current thoughts on the cause;

- I know it's not thyroid or cortisol based, when the hair loss stopped my levels were fine, when it started again, my levels were fine

- It's not normal MPB in that it doesn't just affect the top of the head. This may point to estrogen issues, perhaps it kills aromatase at the follicle level which explains the loss at the side of the head, as well as accelerating MPB in others. Follicles on the side of the head have higher aromatase and it's one of the reason hair loss doesn't occur there. To test this theory I'm currently using a product called Pantostin from Europe which is a weak estrogen that increases follicle level aromatase.

- It may just up-regulate DHT at the follicle somehow, but if this was true one would expect a huge increase in body hair, which I never got. Perhaps only scalp hair/sebaceous gland areas are affected?

- B5 may somehow messed with gut bacteria such as equol which lowers serum DHT. After taking B5 my stomach started having issues, and I was eventually diagnosed with Celiacs, but this may be unrelated (I don't think it is personally given I had no issues up until the age of 19)

 

Things I've Tried:

Every vitamin/nutrient under the sun, Pregnanolone cream, DHEA, Progesterone cream, derma-rolling, Laser light therapy, IGF-1 lr3, emu oil, peppermint oil, tea tree oil, ALCAR, NAC, MSM, topical vitamin C, caffeine among lots of other things.

 

Things I'm going to try: 

Pantostin (weak topical estrogen to increase follicle level aromatase), 

Topical Spiro

Scalp IGF-1 lr3 injections

TB-500

Elmetacin spray topical

Propecia again (last thing to try, I'm already on TRT not all that worried about sides at this point and it worked 10 years ago within a couple weeks)


Edited by jimmyjoners, 05 August 2014 - 05:05 PM.





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