Can anyone comment on what is the minimum dose of B5 that can cause hairloss?
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:05 PM
Can anyone comment on what is the minimum dose of B5 that can cause hairloss?
Posted 03 August 2013 - 06:50 AM
Even taking one 500mg pill is well above the recommended daily intake.
Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:14 AM
Hey guys just gotta say that you really can recover from this. I am proof.
I literally have hairs growing back everywhere where my hairline receded and got thin.
What works seems to be anything that inhibits DHT, just like normal hair loss.
For me stinging nettle is the most effective supplement and doesn't have bad side effects.
I take 2 x stinging nettle root and 2 x stinging nettle leaf capsules each day. I'm not sure which works best, they probably both work to some extent. I am going to reduce this to one of each from now on though.
Side effects for me are that it makes you have crazy sex drive so it is hard to concentrate on things. This is probably because it increases free testosterone, and which is why bodybuilders take it as a workout supplement. It may also give me a small headache from time to time but I'm not sure, either way that is a small price to pay for getting my hair back.
Saw palmetto probably works too but gave me horrible brain fog so couldn't use that. I'm sure propecia and avodart would work as well but again I bet they would give me side effects similar to saw p.
Edited by travelleruk, 06 August 2013 - 04:15 AM.
Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:49 AM
Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:07 AM
Hey I take .5mg a day. No sides I have noticed. Be aware that avodart is stronger than Fin and has a higher chance of deceased libido.
I do get avodart from my local pharmacy which costs $130 a month. It's very expensive and I am looking to buy from an online pharmacy for about $40 a month.
For CB are you going to buy it and mix it to make a topical solution?
Edited by pjjordan, 09 August 2013 - 10:12 AM.
Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:29 PM
Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:47 PM
Posted 11 August 2013 - 02:18 AM
Travel, if we really have regular hair loss, I don't think stinging nettle is going to do much in the long term. If it did no one would bother with fin and avodart. CB should come out for acne 2016, then we can use it off label for hair, best thing to do is maintain for now.
It really has made an unbelievable difference though, I've actually been taking stinging nettle for around a year and it always seemed to cause regrowth.
Now I have increased the dosage, it is completely filling in my receded hairline.
I know for a fact it does decrease DHT because I get the same effect as Saw P which is watery semen, something that happens when DHT is reduced.
It's obviously weaker than propecia but that is probably a good thing.
Posted 11 August 2013 - 06:41 AM
Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:17 PM
Where are you buying the premixed CB from? I was looking into this for a while but I did not want to risk making my own mixture.
Also, how is the Vitamin D3 doing for you acne and skin?
What dosage of stinging nettle are you taking?
Posted 13 August 2013 - 08:15 AM
Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:48 AM
so i'm definitely jumping into this very late, but i've been following it for a while.
i megadosed on b5 for over a year (10g), developed a terrible case of TE, stopped a little over a year ago, and i am still dealing with the hairloss issues today.
what is the consensus at this point as to what we should be doing for our hair (and our skin, mine is back to sucking after stopping)?
i should probably just be reading through all of the posts that have been made again, but i don't want to read anything from past posts that doesn't go along with what you guys have found out after taking all of the tests, etc. i very much want to get in on this effort to fix our problem.
Posted 15 August 2013 - 02:00 PM
Posted 15 August 2013 - 03:04 PM
what are the names of all the tests i should get done? i've seen a ton of different names that you've posted. i'm willing to get blood tests too to see if i follow in the same pattern as you. should i just get T and vit D, or are there others i should request to have done?
also, i'm taking it that any form of b5, even taken with cysteine, etc. is out the video for everyone right now? that's the reason i began reading this thread because that's where it started, but it seems as though your opinion has changed since then.
as of now i'm only taking a multivitamin and omega 3; between the two of those there's 5000iu of A and 2000iu of D. i don't know how you've felt about this but ever since this whole b5 thing happened i've been hesitant to take pretty much anything. just trying to put myself in the best position on both the hair and the skin fronts at this point.
Edited by thompsonr914, 15 August 2013 - 06:45 PM.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:26 PM
Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:46 PM
thanks for the advice. i'll call up my doctor on monday and get as many of these as possible, most likely all of them. we've all been dealing with this issue for a while, and i want to see if we can finally come to some sort of valid conclusion as to what actually happened to us because of b5.
i have a feeling my free T levels will be out of range like yours. your theory of b5 megadosing leading to heightened testosterone makes a ton of sense. before i started taking b5 i had no facial hair and not a lot of body hair... today i have a lumberjack beard and my girlfriend says my body looks like a bears (if you catch the drift, definitely a huge testosterone increase). i also had a huge muscle mass increase while on b5 even though i wasn't working out at the time... i think that speaks for itself. the only strange thing is that when i started to get the high amounts of hairloss, i got a scalp biopsy done in the middle/slightly towards the front of my head. the results were 100% telogen effluvium, not any trace of MPB. however, since then it definitely seems as though my hairloss has shifted away from being diffuse and more closely resembles the beginning of MPB. i wonder what a scalp biopsy would say today... although i'm not sure i want to get another one. maybe the TE was just an initial reaction that induced MBP... i heard that is possible as well.
if these tests go the way i believe they will (ending up the same as yours) i'm probably going to start taking saw palmetto and stinging nettle in order to try and lower DHT levels (in addition to minox 2x day and nizoral 2% shampoo). not really wanting to mess around with propecia (i know it's similar to SP and SN in what it does/potential side effects, but propecia is also much more expensive as well as synthetic). zinc also lowers dht levels as well as helps with acne, so i may look into that as well. i had been using rogaine every day for over a year and it must have been helping i guess because my hair looked decent for a while towards the beginning of this summer. i tried stopping as an experiment and didn't notice any hairfall at all, so i assumed it hadn't been doing anything... looking at my hair now i was definitely wrong. your theory seems entirely correct so it's time to prove it.
Edited by thompsonr914, 17 August 2013 - 10:52 PM.
Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:42 AM
Man, taking the b5 was the worst thing I ever did for my skin. I thought it was working in the beginning but only created large cysts over a period of three months. I am glad it worked for you. I simply think it is my hormones. I have exhausted everything, most of Chinese medicine as well, but b5 didn't cut it.
I think some of the people on here are as desperate as hell to rid their face of acne, and I know exactly how that is!!!! But it's supplement after supplement and trial and error and starting and stopping, holy sh*t! No wonder we continue to get acne! We've created it, as I believe whole heartily that controlling stress and eating well, coupled with getting help from a holistic dietician, some aspects of Western and Chinese medicine are greatly helpful and changing your lifestyle completely to eating clean and exercising is the definite key. I mean, that is all you can do.
We need to feed our skin
as we'd feed our bodies
a delicate rhythmic dance
we all deserve to find.
-hungarian face mask
-citrus exfoliating wash
-sensitive facial cleanser
(alternating face washes helps
so my skin does not become resistant)
Month 1 40mg
Month 2-6 80mg
Retin A Micro every other night
Clindamycin every other night
Clindamycin during day under light 100% Pure Mineral Powder on T zone
NO DAIRY, NO CAFFEINE, NO SUGAR!
Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:08 PM
saying it "worked" for us isn't a fair statement. yes it cleared our skin, but it ultimately created a chain of events that introduced even more problems into our lives.
Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:21 PM
Interesting Thompson914, I had a scalp biopsy done when I first started shedding almost 3 years ago towards the back of my crown and it was conclusive MPB.
For skin I am using:
Vitamin D 5000iu per day- going to bring this down to 3 times a week
Zinc 50mg per day
Daily Moisturizer with SPF 30 and Alpha Hydrox AHA Enhanced Lotion at night (I add lemon juice a few times a week)
My skin is basically 100% clear and looks great.
For my Hair:
Avodart .5 mg per day
Minoxidil (Rogaine Foam) 2x per day
Ketoconazole (Nizoral) Shampoo 1%
Prescription Scalp Steroid Liquid once per day ( will give you the name when I get home)
My shedding has slowed down a lot and I have had regrowth. I have only been on this routine for 2 1/2 months so I am expecting better results as I continue. I still have dandruff but my scalp feels 100x better and does not itch anymore. My dermatologist said the scalp irritation was causing excess shedding and since I have added the shampoo and steroid, my shedding has slowed down more along with the Avodart. I have an appointment in September and I am going to ask for something stronger for the dandruff. The Rogaine is probably causing the recent dandruff. I am also going to add Stinging nettle to my routine. So far I have not had any side effects from the Avodart .
I have been shedding from B5 for almost 3 years now. This is the best my hair has been in a while. I am treating it as if it is MPB and getting results. My conclusion is B5 raises our Free Testosterone and kick starts MPB.
Edited by pjjordan, 20 August 2013 - 02:35 PM.
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