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Well first off, The China Study rats were only given a diet of 20% casein which is the protein in milk. Secondly, The China Study also has clinical research about the people in those counties, what they ate, and rate of disease over 50+ counties in China. You should really read the book before making claims about it.

I'm not going to argue anyone that hasn't read the books because the proof is in the research; I mean it's a forty year long study and every experiment he did was conclusive to the fact that animal products turned on disease and plant products turned them off.

About the faux vegan food, I myself, don't eat a lot of it. I put it in my blog so people don't feel deprived when changing their lifestyle. It's not easy to just give up all of your comfort foods cold turkey so I included them so people know there are in fact vegan options they can indulge in once in a while. It would be ignorant of anyone to assume that someone will never crave a slice of pizza again in their life or some mac&cheese; these things were hard for me so I included them to help people.

Again, I made this post to HELP people not to be attacked and I would honestly delete this post because of how much negativity is coming across. So please, if you don't agree with this, that's perfectly okay I could really care less. There's thousands of other posts and blogs on this site so you can go visit theirs if you'd like. But I've gotten an e-mail almost everyday of people thanking me for sharing this information which is why I will keep it up.

There is a lot of assumption going on in this thread. I have skimmed the China study at a library, as well as reviews. I've also seen all of the documentaries you've mentioned, and looked at the research from people in that sort of camp. You shouldn't assume what I do or do not know.

A problem with studies in humans is that you can't really control for one variable, there is always other stuff going on. Still, epidemiology is even further than controlled studies. Then there are populations that seem to contrast what Campbell and friends are selling, which is a bit of an explanation to sit down and type, and I'm sure most of the people here are familiar with these sorts of criticisms (for example, what AKL posted). One such example of a contradictory study to what the China Study found was that recent meta-analysis which more or less determined that saturated fats were not correlated with a variety of diseases that they usually are.

http://ajcn.nutritio....27725.abstract

Some say that the funders of the study create a conflict of interest, and this is potentially true. By that logic, I'd say vegan researchers researching veganism may also have a bias.

Indeed, it is okay to disagree. No one here is attacking you; rather, we are trying to be critical about the sort of information and advice that is posted here. Acne is something that people are very emotional about. There have been many posters here who have decided to follow a variety of diets, this kind included, who did not achieve the results they were promised. I understand that people say that this method works for them amount, but there are also people who it has not worked for. The same goes for a variety of diets.

I assumed you didn't read the book because you said the rats were given extremely high levels of casein when they were only given 20% of their diet in casein; every single chapter has that 20% figure in it repeatedly so it was a pretty fair assumption. If you read the first part of The China Study, you'd know Dr. Campbell grew up on a dairy farm eating animal products 3+ times per day and drinking 3 glasses of whole milk from his farm daily. The study started out as something to show the benefits of eating animal protein because this is what Campbell had believed his entire life. After he started getting the results of disease being turned off by plant protein and turned on by animal protein, he then became a vegan. So your claim about the funders having a conflict of interest is false. He went into the study wanting to prove the benefits of animal protein so I doubt any of his funders were vegetarian or vegan. In fact, before the study started he was known as one of the best and most honorable figures to come out of Cornell University by his peers; after publishing the book, many people who once used to praised him refuse to even talk to him. If anything, going into the study he was biased against plant protein as were his funders.

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Rats don't usually eat dairy or isolated proteins in their natural environment, so 20% is extremely high. Also, dairy protein /=/ all animal proteins. Seeing as you're ignoring other points made by myself and other individuals, and this conversation has been had before in one way or another, I consider my concerns to vulnerable readers voiced. I'd like to see you respond to Michelle's posts though .

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Rats don't usually eat dairy or isolated proteins in their natural environment, so 20% is extremely high. Also, dairy protein /=/ all animal proteins. Seeing as you're ignoring other points made by myself and other individuals, and this conversation has been had before in one way or another, I consider my concerns to vulnerable readers voiced. I'd like to see you respond to Michelle's posts though .

Rats are used in 90% of medical research... so are you saying 90% of the medical research studies done don't count either? Refer to: http://www.chrcrm.org/en/rats-and-research. (I know this is a Canadian site but I wanted a .org or .net resource because of credibility) I'm not going to respond to Michelle's post because she hasn't read any of the books I referred her to and I'm not going to waste my time teaching somebody about topics they could learn themselves. The reason there are not 'credible' sources about nutrition as treatment for ANYTHING because first off, almost all medical research done is in someway funded by the government; the government(FDA, USDA) has financial ties with some major food companies, i.e. The American Cattle Association, Dairy Council, etc. and every major piece of literature/news goes through the government before being released to the public. For something to be named a treatment for a disease, it must pass a placebo test or some kind of controlled study; the government does not allow a lifestyle change to suffice as a treatment so there is no 'credible' source you will ever find out there if you go by those standards because the government won't allow it. So no, I cannot produce a placebo study between diet and acne because it simply cannot exist; no one can produce it. That is why you're both saying the clinical part of The China Study isn't a controlled study; no, it's absolutely not because that type of study cannot exist which is why he implemented the rat study as well. The clinical part of The China study just observes the native people in over 50+ counties on what they eat, their blood work and rate of disease. So the studies that you want to see are nonexistent because of the government's laws against them.

This will be my last post in response to these questions; all I can go off of is the literature I have read and the people, including myself, who have adopted a whole foods, plant based lifestyle. Animals used to be a staple in my diet before this year; I ate meat 3x/day and dairy at least 2x/day. But I've lost twenty pounds and finally have the body I've only dreamed of, my skin has cleared and has a radiant glow, my hair is thicker and shinier, I have relieved myself of my depression and anxiety, I have more energy than I did as a child, and most importantly I am happy and I love myself. I've seen this transformation in less than a year as well as my older sister who suffered a lot of the same problems. My step-dad has reversed his arthritis, my close friend went into remission after a decade of suffering from lupus, and my boyfriend lost 10 pounds and resolved digestive issues. This lifestyle has touched my life in so many ways as well as being able to see it touch others at a naturopathic clinic a former coworker now works at where this lifestyle is implemented. So if you think it quackery, or magic or just flat out wrong, you are completely entitled to that opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Hopefully we can all learn something from each other and walk away not as biased as we were walking into it.

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -Hippocrates

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I'm saying that it isn't guaranteed that results in rats translate into human results, to keep my reply short. Clearly dairy can be problematic for people, but there are also acne prone people here who tolerate dairy fine.

That being said, I don't doubt that veganism is a legitimate method. I'm just saying other methods seem to work for people too. And sometimes these successful methods for one person are not successful for the other. This is more or less anecdotal conjecture, however; so the main takeaway I have for any readers is to be skeptical and experiment.

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I adopted a whole foods, mostly plant-based diet and it cleared me very quickly, so it works too. So do many other nutrient dense low to moderate glycemic load diets that are also not vegan. And many societies with high numbers of healthy active centenarians around the world are also not vegan.

Also, most of vegan faux foods as you recommended are not 'whole' foods. They are processed foods. And the China Study is one of the most widely critiqued and disputed studies that I have ever heard of.

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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

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I adopted a whole foods, mostly plant-based diet and it cleared me very quickly, so it works too. So do many other nutrient dense low to moderate glycemic load diets that are also not vegan. And many societies with high numbers of healthy active centenarians around the world are also not vegan.

Also, most of vegan faux foods as you recommended are not 'whole' foods. They are processed foods. And the China Study is one of the most widely critiqued and disputed studies that I have ever heard of.

There must be misunderstanding in why I put the faux vegan foods in my post; I explained this to another commenter but the reason I included them is because there are those days I do crave some comfort food like mac&cheese and pizza. For people that are used to eating a mostly processed food diet, which most Americans are, it could be difficult to completely adopt a whole foods, plant-based diet. I included these as resources for people when they have that craving once in a while because it's never good to deprive yourself; it can do more damage than good. At least these options are non-gmo and dairy free and some are even organic. They are also great in the transition stage of changing one's diet.

I also never said a vegan diet is only thing that will clear your skin, I'm just simply sharing what has worked for me. I'm sure there are other societies with healthy people around the world who aren't vegan, I never said there wasn't. Most other countries do not eat animal products like American's do; in Asia, they use about an 8 oz piece of meat to feed the entire family and use it mostly for flavor, not for protein(Resource: Forks Over Knives). But the issue about living in the states is how difficult it is to find clean animal products; dairy is now treated with 5x as many chemicals as conventional produce(Resource: Eating for Beauty, David Wolfe) and if I remember from my nutrition lecture correctly, 80% of meat in America is contaminated with one or more food borne illness causing bacteria; even if it's organic. Organic meats are usually less likely to be contaminated(only about 25%) but still, if you eat meat 4 times per week, that means chances are one of those times you were consuming bacteria ridden meat.

I know full and well the back lash The China Study has gotten in the states because eating animals is just our way of life here. It's what were used to and it's what we like. But there are actually several hospitals in Japan now implementing a low-fat vegan, whole foods diet as the main treatment for diseases like cancer and heart disease and the people are actually extremely responsive to this information(Resource: Dying to Have Known). So of course there is going to be loads of critiques on The China Study, but there are just as many glowing reviews like the one posted in the New York Times. Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn was a heart surgeon at The Cleveland Clinic and did a five year long study on the effects of a whole foods, plant-based diet in relation to heart disease; he actually started his study strictly vegetarian but implemented low-fat dairy. After he read Dr. Campbell's study, he took out the dairy and continued to see amazing results. It really is an amazing read, even though it's packed full of lots of information, I read it cover to cover. If you hadn't had the chance to read it yet, I'd highly recommend it.

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The reason there are not 'credible' sources about nutrition as treatment for ANYTHING because first off, almost all medical research done is in someway funded by the government; the government(FDA, USDA) has financial ties with some major food companies, i.e. The American Cattle Association, Dairy Council, etc. and every major piece of literature/news goes through the government before being released to the public. For something to be named a treatment for a disease, it must pass a placebo test or some kind of controlled study; the government does not allow a lifestyle change to suffice as a treatment so there is no 'credible' source you will ever find out there if you go by those standards because the government won't allow it.

Side note:

I don't think most people are aware that the term 'quack' and 'quack theory' were actually created by Big Pharma. And Big Pharma is in fact an actual thing, or monopoly if you will. They created this terminology to sway public opinion into believing that anything not practiced by the AMA is ridiculous. The website 'quack watch' was created by Big Pharma. And the writer for quack watch Stephen Barrett has to be one of the most corrupt humans on this earth. He's in bed with Big Pharma and they keep him well funded to smear any and all nutritional therapies that might take away business from the pharmaceutical industry.

Also nothing from nature (unless it's GMO'd as we're finding out now) can be patented. It costs millions to test a product for efficacy and safety, which they won't do. And since the FDA says it's illegal to practice with any substance not tested, you can see why nutritional therapies will never be supported by modern medicine, regardless of how effective the natural treatment is. Or at least not by Big Pharma, which is heavily funding modern medicine and the doctors practicing the standard AMA practices.

We live in a very corrupt world, and the truth is, you are the only one looking out for you. Drugs treat symptoms, and come with even more harmful side effects than than they do potential benefits. Nature can and does address the underlying metabolic process behind these diseases and chronic illness, but it isn't near the money maker, and it's also competition for the drug companies. In a world where money is so idolized by corrupt men, profits come before the desire to do good, and unfortunately, providing any and all known methods of healing regardless of money to be made...just isn't happening

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80%-20% Alkaline forming vs Acid forming Diet

`Organic~
I don't consume:
*Dairy
*Whole grains
*Refined sugars
*Table salt
*Vegetable oils
*Processed/Fast foods
*Genetically Modified Foods (GMOs)
As well as the pesticides/herbicides that come with them

My philosophy: Less externally, more internally

Even taking long hot showers in chemically treated tap water is too harsh for acne prone skin

(And that's without a face wash)

This site is absolutely loaded with info on curing acne internally


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The reason there are not 'credible' sources about nutrition as treatment for ANYTHING because first off, almost all medical research done is in someway funded by the government; the government(FDA, USDA) has financial ties with some major food companies, i.e. The American Cattle Association, Dairy Council, etc. and every major piece of literature/news goes through the government before being released to the public. For something to be named a treatment for a disease, it must pass a placebo test or some kind of controlled study; the government does not allow a lifestyle change to suffice as a treatment so there is no 'credible' source you will ever find out there if you go by those standards because the government won't allow it.

Side note:

I don't think most people are aware that the term 'quack' and 'quack theory' were actually created by Big Pharma. And Big Pharma is in fact an actual thing, or monopoly if you will. They created this terminology to sway public opinion into believing that anything not practiced by the AMA is ridiculous. The website 'quack watch' was created by Big Pharma. And the writer for quack watch Stephen Barrett has to be one of the most corrupt humans on this earth. He's in bed with Big Pharma and they keep him well funded to smear any and all nutritional therapies that might take away business from the pharmaceutical industry.

Also nothing from nature (unless it's GMO'd as we're finding out now) can be patented. It costs millions to test a product for efficacy and safety, which they won't do. And since the FDA says it's illegal to practice with any substance not tested, you can see why nutritional therapies will never be supported by modern medicine, regardless of how effective the natural treatment is. Or at least not by Big Pharma, which is heavily funding modern medicine and the doctors practicing the standard AMA practices.

We live in a very corrupt world, and the truth is, you are the only one looking out for you. Drugs treat symptoms, and come with even more harmful side effects than than they do potential benefits. Nature can and does address the underlying metabolic process behind these diseases and chronic illness, but it isn't near the money maker, and it's also competition for the drug companies. In a world where money is so idolized by corrupt men, profits come before the desire to do good, and unfortunately, providing any and all known methods of healing regardless of money to be made...just isn't happening

On a lighter note:

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I adopted a whole foods, mostly plant-based diet and it cleared me very quickly, so it works too. So do many other nutrient dense low to moderate glycemic load diets that are also not vegan. And many societies with high numbers of healthy active centenarians around the world are also not vegan.

Also, most of vegan faux foods as you recommended are not 'whole' foods. They are processed foods. And the China Study is one of the most widely critiqued and disputed studies that I have ever heard of.

There must be misunderstanding in why I put the faux vegan foods in my post; I explained this to another commenter but the reason I included them is because there are those days I do crave some comfort food like mac&cheese and pizza. For people that are used to eating a mostly processed food diet, which most Americans are, it could be difficult to completely adopt a whole foods, plant-based diet. I included these as resources for people when they have that craving once in a while because it's never good to deprive yourself; it can do more damage than good. At least these options are non-gmo and dairy free and some are even organic. They are also great in the transition stage of changing one's diet.

I also never said a vegan diet is only thing that will clear your skin, I'm just simply sharing what has worked for me.

I think you should go back and reread your post in which you spend a great deal of time emphasizing veganism and processed food substitutes. And bury some more important details. If that's not what you meant to do, it needs revising.

What clears skin is real, whole nutrient dense foods, more anti-inflammatory foods than inflammatory, in low to moderate glycemic impacting meals that that don't include anything you have an intolerance for. To be anti-inflammatory, there are many more foods that should avoided or limited besides meat. Foods and 'foods' commonly included in a vegan diet. Such as grains and grain oils.

Yes, dairy should be limited even if you don't notice an intolerance, especially unfermented, especially cow, especially the ordinary pasteurized, skim inorganic supermarket milk from grain fed and antibiotic and hormone treated cows. The unfermented part along with the pastured vs not. The planet is filled with healthy cultures that rely heavily on dairy for a huge portion of their nutrients and calories. The difference is the dairy is fermented and the animals are pastured and drugged.

And there's more. Such as how many SAD sufferers have damaged digestive tracts that are harmed by grains and seeds and may need to avoid them all for a period while they heal, and even then, should limit them and when they have them they should make sure they are prepared properly with soaking, sprouting or fermenting and then proper cooking. Few commercial food processors do that. So vegan faux food products aren't going to be a good option for them. Also, if you avoid seeds and all animal protein, it will be very difficult to get enough protein in the diet. You would have to eat a ton of food, possible grazing all day long like a gorilla to do so.

And then there's the many lifestyle habits that impact how well you process foods, manage stress, regulate hormones, etc.

Also, this is the nutrition and holistic board. It's filled with people who've done tons of research. For years. Plural.

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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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I adopted a whole foods, mostly plant-based diet and it cleared me very quickly, so it works too. So do many other nutrient dense low to moderate glycemic load diets that are also not vegan. And many societies with high numbers of healthy active centenarians around the world are also not vegan.

Also, most of vegan faux foods as you recommended are not 'whole' foods. They are processed foods. And the China Study is one of the most widely critiqued and disputed studies that I have ever heard of.

There must be misunderstanding in why I put the faux vegan foods in my post; I explained this to another commenter but the reason I included them is because there are those days I do crave some comfort food like mac&cheese and pizza. For people that are used to eating a mostly processed food diet, which most Americans are, it could be difficult to completely adopt a whole foods, plant-based diet. I included these as resources for people when they have that craving once in a while because it's never good to deprive yourself; it can do more damage than good. At least these options are non-gmo and dairy free and some are even organic. They are also great in the transition stage of changing one's diet.

I also never said a vegan diet is only thing that will clear your skin, I'm just simply sharing what has worked for me.

I think you should go back and reread your post in which you spend a great deal of time emphasizing veganism and processed food substitutes. And bury some more important details. If that's not what you meant to do, it needs revising.

What clears skin is real, whole nutrient dense foods, more anti-inflammatory foods than inflammatory, in low to moderate glycemic impacting meals that that don't include anything you have an intolerance for. To be anti-inflammatory, there are many more foods that should avoided or limited besides meat. Foods and 'foods' commonly included in a vegan diet. Such as grains and grain oils.

Yes, dairy should be limited even if you don't notice an intolerance, especially unfermented, especially cow, especially the ordinary pasteurized, skim inorganic supermarket milk from grain fed and antibiotic and hormone treated cows. The unfermented part along with the pastured vs not. The planet is filled with healthy cultures that rely heavily on dairy for a huge portion of their nutrients and calories. The difference is the dairy is fermented and the animals are pastured and drugged.

And there's more. Such as how many SAD sufferers have damaged digestive tracts that are harmed by grains and seeds and may need to avoid them all for a period while they heal, and even then, should limit them and when they have them they should make sure they are prepared properly with soaking, sprouting or fermenting and then proper cooking. Few commercial food processors do that. So vegan faux food products aren't going to be a good option for them. Also, if you avoid seeds and all animal protein, it will be very difficult to get enough protein in the diet. You would have to eat a ton of food, possible grazing all day long like a gorilla to do so.

And then there's the many lifestyle habits that impact how well you process foods, manage stress, regulate hormones, etc.

Also, this is the nutrition and holistic board. It's filled with people who've done tons of research. For years. Plural.

I didn't think I could edit this post after I posted it, I thought I could only edit my blog but I figured it out, I'm new on here. So I did do some editing especially about the vegan faux food, I definitely didn't put enough emphasis on adopting a whole foods, plant based diet and going back to nature so hopefully it is much clearer now. When I wrote this, I just sat down for an hour and typed the entire thing out all from memory so my thoughts were a little jumbled up and not as clear as I would have liked. But yes, for people who have digestive tract issues but still want to pursue a plant based lifestyle, beans are an amazing protein and fiber source; I eat beans everyday and they actually support the colon. Beans contain fiber and resistant starch which are fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids which are extremely beneficial to the intestines. If I'm not mistaken, people with digestive issues and damage will actually benefit from intake of beans. You can buy beans in bulk and soak them yourself.

I have no doubt there are people on these boards that have been researching longer than I have, I never claimed I was the high and mighty that knew it all and everyone else is wrong. I'm sure there are some extremely credible people on these boards, you being one of them. When I suffered from acne, I had only wished I had come across a post like mine because I really felt alone and like nothing I tried worked which is the only reason I created this post. My intent is to help people and share what I have learned and experienced over the past year. I'm an old soul though and this is my passion, I'm only 19 years old; I am truly here just to help people who feel like I did a year ago because feeling like you have no control over your body is just a horrible feeling and I never want anyone to feel like that. And since SAD is such a norm now a days, people are just flat out uneducated; not because they are choosing to be but because they're sheltered from the information. So I set out to share my hours upon hours of research with other people who feel just as hopeless as I did and hopefully shed some light on their situation.

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Most kids/teens who get acne, if not all, are absolutely unaware as to the various ways they can deal with it. Diet was the last thing i was concerned with when i got acne at around 16. And it isn't something you learn in school either, especially not from the lunches they serve. People aren't taught until they finally realize how important it is when they inevitably get a degenerative disease/chronic illness/acne, etc. We abuse food in this country. Though i am not vegan myself, i'm very aware of how poorly most animals are treated in the food industry. I only support organic, humanely raised, grass fed, cage free, anti-biotic free, etc. And when i do eat meat, i treat it as a side dish rather than a main course.

But for real, the western diet is on it's way to becoming the single greatest killer of mankind, if it hasn't reached that point already

My intent is to help people and share what I have learned and experienced over the past year. I'm an old soul though and this is my passion, I'm only 19 years old; I am truly here just to help people who feel like I did a year ago because feeling like you have no control over your body is just a horrible feeling and I never want anyone to feel like that.

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80%-20% Alkaline forming vs Acid forming Diet

`Organic~
I don't consume:
*Dairy
*Whole grains
*Refined sugars
*Table salt
*Vegetable oils
*Processed/Fast foods
*Genetically Modified Foods (GMOs)
As well as the pesticides/herbicides that come with them

My philosophy: Less externally, more internally

Even taking long hot showers in chemically treated tap water is too harsh for acne prone skin

(And that's without a face wash)

This site is absolutely loaded with info on curing acne internally


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I'm not going to go as in depth with this topic because there is not enough research done on it but almost everything I said about dairy, also goes for meat. It's acidic, it putrefies in the intestines, and the anatomy of human doesn't agree with meat. Carnivore's(meat eaters) take only about 2 hours to fully digest their food, as I mentioned earlier humans take 1-2 days; we are meant to be omnivores. But, if you're not ready to give up the meat, at least try to find a clean source for it; reach out to local farmers that raise cattle/chickens humanely and are fed a clean diet.

I completely disagree with this part of your post and I'm a medical student (although that's not a validation to be fair). Most natural tribes that have a diet not unlike our ancestors had, subsist on some amount of meat, organs etc on top of carbohydrate sources such as tubers or vegetables. They don't suffer from acne and their intestines are not 'putrefied'. There are healthy vegetarian (non-vegan) tribes as well, but it would be erroneous to claim that leaving out animal products would make you healthier. We do have the enzymes to break down the collagen and protein in meat, and we are well suited to consume it. Another thing of course is whether mass-produced industrialized meat products are good for us or not.

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Beans contain fiber and resistant starch which are fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids which are extremely beneficial to the intestines. If I'm not mistaken, people with digestive issues and damage will actually benefit from intake of beans. You can buy beans in bulk and soak them yourself.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I realize you have good intentions, but this is completely false. Beans contain anti-nutrients which damage the digestive track and harm people with leaky gut and other damaged digestive issues. Believe me, I know. I was healthy and had clear skin and thought I could eat foods like beans again. After including beans in my diet everyday for months, my digestive track was completely destroyed again. My severe cystic acne came back. I saw it happening over a long period of time and ignored it because I kept telling myself "beans are healthy, beans are healthy."

Beans are healthy in moderation for people without any digestive damage. But they are as bad as gluten and soy and other such foods when it comes to being a regular part of the diet for anyone with gut/acne issues. The fiber thing is a myth. People with damaged guts need less fiber if anything, not more.

I realize you're just trying to help, but understand some of us have been suffering with this condition (and researching/learning about it) for over 10 years. I am one of them.

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Current Skin-Care Regimen (A work in progress):

Morning:

Gentle wash with DKR cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil (The lotion alone wasn't hydrating enough)

Skin 79 Korean BB Cream (excellent stuff)

Evening:

Gentle Wash with DKR Cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil


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ns everyday and they actually support the colon. Beans contain fiber and resistant starch which are fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids which are extremely beneficial to the intestines. If I'm not mistaken, people with digestive issues and damage will actually benefit from intake of beans. You can buy beans in bulk and soak them yourself.

No, people with digestive tract issues should avoid all difficult to digest foods i.e. seeds while consuming healing, easy to digest foods one of the best being bone broths rich in the nutrients from the connective tissues. Also, mucilaginous plant foods such as okra, cactus, purslane, etc.

And not can, should buy beans in bulk and soak/ferment/sprout and then cook properly yourself. You cannot trust commercial producers to have done so. If you are going to eat them, make sure you do everything you can to reduce the anti-nutrients. That also includes consuming them with foods high in the glyconutrients that bind up the anti-nutrients. That applies to grains as well. And ideally you do the same to nuts and seeds. (and this is coming from someone who eats beans regularly)

Get your prebiotic fiber and resistant starch from sweet potatoes, jicama, and similar tubers, broccoli, onions, plantains, not-too-ripe bananas, organic apples with skin, etc.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

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Another thing of course is whether mass-produced industrialized meat products are good for us or not.

...they are absolutely not. Not with all the crap they are injected with, and not with the environments they are raised in. I am often envious of these isolated cultures that haven't been exposed to chemicals and refined food. Luckily we have organic and non GMO project verified foods. Along with ways of getting pure water not from the tap


80%-20% Alkaline forming vs Acid forming Diet

`Organic~
I don't consume:
*Dairy
*Whole grains
*Refined sugars
*Table salt
*Vegetable oils
*Processed/Fast foods
*Genetically Modified Foods (GMOs)
As well as the pesticides/herbicides that come with them

My philosophy: Less externally, more internally

Even taking long hot showers in chemically treated tap water is too harsh for acne prone skin

(And that's without a face wash)

This site is absolutely loaded with info on curing acne internally


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Beans contain fiber and resistant starch which are fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids which are extremely beneficial to the intestines. If I'm not mistaken, people with digestive issues and damage will actually benefit from intake of beans. You can buy beans in bulk and soak them yourself.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I realize you have good intentions, but this is completely false. Beans contain anti-nutrients which damage the digestive track and harm people with leaky gut and other damaged digestive issues. Believe me, I know. I was healthy and had clear skin and thought I could eat foods like beans again. After including beans in my diet everyday for months, my digestive track was completely destroyed again. My severe cystic acne came back. I saw it happening over a long period of time and ignored it because I kept telling myself "beans are healthy, beans are healthy."

Beans are healthy in moderation for people without any digestive damage. But they are as bad as gluten and soy and other such foods when it comes to being a regular part of the diet for anyone with gut/acne issues. The fiber thing is a myth. People with damaged guts need less fiber if anything, not more.

I realize you're just trying to help, but understand some of us have been suffering with this condition (and researching/learning about it) for over 10 years. I am one of them.

ns everyday and they actually support the colon. Beans contain fiber and resistant starch which are fermented by intestinal bacteria into fatty acids which are extremely beneficial to the intestines. If I'm not mistaken, people with digestive issues and damage will actually benefit from intake of beans. You can buy beans in bulk and soak them yourself.

No, people with digestive tract issues should avoid all difficult to digest foods i.e. seeds while consuming healing, easy to digest foods one of the best being bone broths rich in the nutrients from the connective tissues. Also, mucilaginous plant foods such as okra, cactus, purslane, etc.

And not can, should buy beans in bulk and soak/ferment/sprout and then cook properly yourself. You cannot trust commercial producers to have done so. If you are going to eat them, make sure you do everything you can to reduce the anti-nutrients. That also includes consuming them with foods high in the glyconutrients that bind up the anti-nutrients. That applies to grains as well. And ideally you do the same to nuts and seeds. (and this is coming from someone who eats beans regularly)

Get your prebiotic fiber and resistant starch from sweet potatoes, jicama, and similar tubers, broccoli, onions, plantains, not-too-ripe bananas, organic apples with skin, etc.

I don't know much about leaky gut/serious gut issues, I've only heard about them from customers who come in! It sounds absolutely horrible though, thanks for shedding light the topic, I'm definitely not versed at all on the subject; that's why I said 'if I'm not mistaken'. Thank you gals for your knowledge! :)

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