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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:33 PM

Hey CherrySoda,

Call me a skeptic. 2012 wasn't that long ago and being someone who has done business on the Internet for 15+ years, I know it is not unusual to start planting seeds one to two years before a business launches. There is a planning phase to finding the right product and to ensuring your product is successful at launch. Her skin sure improved quickly over a year's time and she managed to create quite a following using social channels. Her story could be legitimate but at this point, she is clearly focused on marketing and selling her products. I don't believe she suddenly partnered with a doctor and researched/developed a packaged product line in under a year. These things take time.

I think I sent you the link at FB but I closed my FB account. I will send it again via private message here in a bit.

Sorry to hear your dermatologist moved away. :( She sounded like a good doctor. Is she practicing dermatology in Vegas? If so, I might pay her a visit. My dad lives in Vegas and I have yet to find a doctor that does punch grafts. I have a few scars that I think could benefit from grafts.

Looking at your photos, I think my skin looks much worse. My right cheek is actually covered in shallow pock marks. You can't see them in pictures. The shallow marks give it a strange texture. It's really noticeable in certain lighting. I wish there was something I could do about it but I may be stuck with the ugly texture. Of course, I am hoping stamping will help smooth things out.

I don't know if I am willing to continually stamp forever. I don't particularly enjoy mutilating my face with needles. It is actually quite humbling to needle your face until it is covered in blood while hoping it will cause your skin to look semi-normal in the public's eyes. I think I am more likely to reach acceptance than continue putting myself through this. I have had amazing improvement and at some point, I have to accept that my skin will never be perfect.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:17 PM

what are your thoughts on intracel? it sucks its not available in the states, i think you would benefit from it. after one treatment i had alright  results. i beleive with 2-3 you can achieve fantastic improvement. i plan too get my second soon in the fall. as for pores intracel completley closes them up. i was completley shocked because i thought pores couldnt be closed.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:40 PM

what are your thoughts on intracel? it sucks its not available in the states, i think you would benefit from it. after one treatment i had alright  results. i beleive with 2-3 you can achieve fantastic improvement. i plan too get my second soon in the fall. as for pores intracel completley closes them up. i was completley shocked because i thought pores couldnt be closed.


I would definitely give Intracel a shot if I could. I will have to check and see if it is in Japan when I return home. Interesting that it closed your pores. My enlarged pores definitely accentuate my poor skin texture. Nothing has helped with that either. I actually think Active FX made the situation worse. My pores seem larger now. I can't prove it but if you compare my eyelids or neck to the rest of my face there is a noticeable difference in pore size. I didn't experience this when I only tried Deep FX. It became noticeable after I added Active FX to resurface the epidermis. I guess there are trade-offs with resurfacing. If your pores have a wider base, you can end up with larger pores when the surface layer is removed.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:25 PM

Intracel can reduce pore size?  No_hope this happened for you?  

 

I'll admit I haven't really research those type of devices, but that is very interesting indeed.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:51 AM

what are your thoughts on intracel? it sucks its not available in the states, i think you would benefit from it. after one treatment i had alright  results. i beleive with 2-3 you can achieve fantastic improvement. i plan too get my second soon in the fall. as for pores intracel completley closes them up. i was completley shocked because i thought pores couldnt be closed.


I would definitely give Intracel a shot if I could. I will have to check and see if it is in Japan when I return home. Interesting that it closed your pores. My enlarged pores definitely accentuate my poor skin texture. Nothing has helped with that either. I actually think Active FX made the situation worse. My pores seem larger now. I can't prove it but if you compare my eyelids or neck to the rest of my face there is a noticeable difference in pore size. I didn't experience this when I only tried Deep FX. It became noticeable after I added Active FX to resurface the epidermis. I guess there are trade-offs with resurfacing. If your pores have a wider base, you can end up with larger pores when the surface layer is removed.

Yes give it a shot, with intracel it can go 2mm deep which is beneficial For scarring. I'm thankful they offer intracel in a few places here. I'm convinced laser wont do sqwat for scarring

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 08:55 AM

Intracel can reduce pore size?  No_hope this happened for you?  
 
I'll admit I haven't really research those type of devices, but that is very interesting indeed.


Yes indeed. It was one thing they were promising I didn't fly believe it until I tried it myself. I went too three different consultations on intracel before I went a head with my first treatment. It was a shocker to see my pores close up. Definitely something for people too look forward too

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:13 PM

I did a Google search on Intracel last night and realized Japan was one of the first countries to offer it. A couple Japanese studies were released around 2009 and the after photos were really unimpressive. In fact, a couple people with acne scarring looked worse. If you search this forum with Google, you can find the old threads. I thought Intracel sounded familiar and now I recall why. At one point, I did consider it but the results on acne scarring simply couldn't compare to laser. Now that I am more focused on texture, I will have to research it again. Oddly I can't seem to find a clinic offering it in Japan now but I didn't search extensively. It was offered a few years ago and there was a lot of hype around it. I wonder if the technology has improved. Either way, fractional co2/Total FX and Dermapen are popular in Japan right now. Compared to the USA, Total FX is pretty inexpensive in Japan, and Dermapen costs as much as Total FX. I thought that was interesting. Maybe they base it more on time than overhead cost.

Not sure how you can say laser doesn't work. I have had incredible improvement from laser and don't believe any other treatment could have provided me the same results in under two years and three treatments. My skin isn't perfect but I know it never will be.

Being that my pores are caused by genetics, I am not sure I could get any permanent improvement to them. Never know though.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 11:18 PM

Here is one old thread on it:
http://www.acne.org/...facing-therapy/

Too bad the link to the study is no longer available. It had quite a lot of photos of patients with acne scars and the results were truly unimpressive. They were using that study for marketing too. They used to have a japanese site with a gallery of before/after photos but I can't find it now. Some of the patients really did look worse. Maybe they took the pictures too soon.

I'd be interested to see a new study.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 12:22 AM

Good point.

Hey CherrySoda,

Call me a skeptic. 2012 wasn't that long ago and being someone who has done business on the Internet for 15+ years, I know it is not unusual to start planting seeds one to two years before a business launches. 


 

She was such an amazing doctor who even provided me with three sessions of free punch floats and grafts when the ones she initially performed didn't heal as nicely as I liked. She did her very best to make me happy, and had such a sweet soul. I miss her as my doctor, and as a person.


(Additionally, I came to discover that she donated her services at the same nonprofit clinic I also sometimes volunteer at. It was a lovely surprise to see her working at the clinic, and I think it says something quite positive about her character.)

She is indeed still practicing in Vegas. I think you would like her a lot. 

Sorry to hear your dermatologist moved away. She sounded like a good doctor. Is she practicing dermatology in Vegas? If so, I might pay her a visit. My dad lives in Vegas and I have yet to find a doctor that does punch grafts. I have a few scars that I think could benefit from grafts.
 



what are your thoughts on intracel? it sucks its not available in the states, i think you would benefit from it. after one treatment i had alright  results. i beleive with 2-3 you can achieve fantastic improvement. i plan too get my second soon in the fall. as for pores intracel completley closes them up. i was completley shocked because i thought pores couldnt be closed.

Do you have pics of your skin after having the Intracel treatment?


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 12:13 PM

I did a Google search on Intracel last night and realized Japan was one of the first countries to offer it. A couple Japanese studies were released around 2009 and the after photos were really unimpressive. In fact, a couple people with acne scarring looked worse. If you search this forum with Google, you can find the old threads. I thought Intracel sounded familiar and now I recall why. At one point, I did consider it but the results on acne scarring simply couldn't compare to laser. Now that I am more focused on texture, I will have to research it again. Oddly I can't seem to find a clinic offering it in Japan now but I didn't search extensively. It was offered a few years ago and there was a lot of hype around it. I wonder if the technology has improved. Either way, fractional co2/Total FX and Dermapen are popular in Japan right now. Compared to the USA, Total FX is pretty inexpensive in Japan, and Dermapen costs as much as Total FX. I thought that was interesting. Maybe they base it more on time than overhead cost.
Not sure how you can say laser doesn't work. I have had incredible improvement from laser and don't believe any other treatment could have provided me the same results in under two years and three treatments. My skin isn't perfect but I know it never will be.
Being that my pores are caused by genetics, I am not sure I could get any permanent improvement to them. Never know though.


I know which study your talking about and there was improvement. It was two Asian males and one female. One male had severe scarring all over after three treatments there is noticeable improvement. Just like other methods results depend on the skill of the specialist performing the treatment. I had mine done by a estaticion which I think was my mistake. I'm leaning towards getting my second treatment by an Asian doc that seems well experienced in using intracel. Unlike laser intracel by passes the epidermis which reduces the risk of hyper pigmentation .

Its good u got improvement from laser I just think the risks out weighs the pros. I've read way too many horror stories which make me drift away from trying it. Our cases are similar in the fact we have deep scarring which is way more difficult too treat then shallow. After my second intracel if I don't get the improvement I want I think I'm just gonna give in too acceptance. Treating scarring is too much mental drainage for one too handle. Good luck on your journey

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 09:46 PM

Hey NoHope,

The study had a large group of participants. It was done on behalf of the manufacturer and for all types of scarring and skin conditions. Not sure I have seen the study you are referring to. I know there is a Canadian doctor that was part of the research group and he brought the device to Canada. Have you tried consulting with him?

What is your ethnicity? Your skin looks darker than mine. If that is the case, I probably wouldn't chance an aggressive laser treatment either.

Treatment is an emotional rollercoaster. That is why I am on the verge of acceptance. I also don't want to push it so far that I make a bad decision and end up worse off.

Have you posted before and after pictures? I would love to see your results.




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