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#1 leelowe1

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:14 AM

I have been a member of this site for over a year and never in my wildest dreams did i think i would be back where i started when i first signed up. I have read many suggestions and have tried for 2-3 months, sometimes even longer, the following changes:

paleo

dairy/gluten free - 8 + months

green smoothies daily 8+ months

holistic practioners7 months

natural skin care 2-3 months

What to do when holistic changes don't work?

I feel that since i have started this journey, my acne has worsened, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.

I have done elimination diets also and nada. Can anyone else relate?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:26 AM

I am just going to throw this out there but is it possible that the supplements are doing something negative? I only say this b/c I have done the dieting thing etc too (with great results) but man I really don't think I would have gotten the results that I did had I been on the supplements I have been on in the past, that includes zinc, vit d, multi, fish oil, b5, blah blah.

Just throwing that out there. Other than that.. that really sucks man and I hope you find something that works for you very soon.

edit: your a girl not a dood, ignore the 'man" lol

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:44 PM

I definitely feel your frustration. We can do so much, but there can still be one or two simple things holding us back. I recently gave up sweet potatoes (after a long time of stubbornly trying to believe they were not the reason I was breaking out horribly again) and my skin immediately cleared by like 90%. it's so maddening how something so healthy can do something like that to us, but it can.

I'm not saying it's sweet potatoes for you. Or that it's even your diet. But it's something. Stress certainly doesn't help. If you're stressed out, that should be your starting point.

Just an example of how stress can effect things: Last weekend I went to a rave/music fest all weekend. I tripped on psychedelic drugs, smoked tons of weed, played outside/danced for hours until I was dripping with sweat, and didn't wash my face or use any skin treatments ALL weekend. When I got home, my skin was more clear than when I left.

On Monday, as soon as I was back to work/my normal life/stressing about stuff, I began breaking out again. Nowhere near as bad as I was before I went off sweet potatoes, but still. Stress is a huge factor in all of this. Huge. And there have been so many other people who went to party/went on vacation and experienced a sudden clearing of their skin. It's because we were having fun and not thinking about it. I literally didn't look in a mirror all weekend. I am going to try and have more weekends like that from now on!

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:42 PM

, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.


Stress can be a major factor in acne. You'll have to learn how to deal.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:55 PM

Stress is definitely an ongoing process for me - doing my best to circumvent it but sometimes its not always possible to just 'deal with it'. But its not the cause of acne so clearly other factors are involved.

I've also tried cutting out grains (inc healthy ones like sweet potatoes) and that didn't help either.

Supplements were not always a part of my life either so i have tried the healthy lifestyle without supplements and still acne.

At this point i just want to find a middle ground, even if it means integrating medical means to control my acne as well as healthy eating. Perfection was never my goal

The search continues i guess.....................

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:59 AM

You know I can relate. Today I had this thought that maybe I was distracted by diet this whole time, when I should have been focused on hormones. I was thinking that a 5 year old can have a diet that consists entirely of doughnuts, but he wouldn't break out because he doesn't have the hormones. And maybe that's why diet only works for some people - because diet affects hormones(as Alternativista always says), but it is ultimately the hormones that cause acne, and for some people diet can't affect hormones enough.

And we know steroids cause acne, and I just found out Accutane inhibits DHT(although I don't know if that is why it decreases oil or not).

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:28 AM

, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.


Stress can be a major factor in acne. You'll have to learn how to deal.


absolute bullsh1t.


op:go on the regimen. this will clear you 100%.

You know I can relate. Today I had this thought that maybe I was distracted by diet this whole time, when I should have been focused on hormones. I was thinking that a 5 year old can have a diet that consists entirely of doughnuts, but he wouldn't break out because he doesn't have the hormones. And maybe that's why diet only works for some people - because diet affects hormones(as Alternativista always says), but it is ultimately the hormones that cause acne, and for some people diet can't affect hormones enough.

And we know steroids cause acne, and I just found out Accutane inhibits DHT(although I don't know if that is why it decreases oil or not).


explain me how food increase DHT.

only dairy might increase DHT as dairy contains hormones.

Edited by arqa22, 27 September 2012 - 04:24 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:47 AM

How is it bullshit that stress can be a major factor in acne? That's pretty much a known fact.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:58 AM

How is it bullshit that stress can be a major factor in acne? That's pretty much a known myth.


fixed

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

Okay. Well if you have a theory, can you explain it at least?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:22 PM

Okay. Well if you have a theory, can you explain it at least?


We've tried explaining the interrelated nature of heath, but arqa seems fixated on his tunnelvision.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:45 PM

Yeah, I mean stress affects everything. It may not affect certain people enough for it to show up on their skin, but it certainly does mine. I get bulging, inflamed cystic acne within an hour or so of having a bad fight with my boyfriend. Literally every single time. But back when I was super healthy and my skin wasn't breaking out at all, I wouldn't have this reaction to stress. My theory is that stress just adds a ton of inflammation to whatever you already have going on. I'm breaking out from my leaky gut, but stress inflames me. No leaky gut, it still inflames me, but not enough to tip the scales toward breakouts.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:55 PM

I have been a member of this site for over a year and never in my wildest dreams did i think i would be back where i started when i first signed up. I have read many suggestions and have tried for 2-3 months, sometimes even longer, the following changes:

paleo

dairy/gluten free - 8 + months

green smoothies daily 8+ months

holistic practioners7 months

natural skin care 2-3 months

What to do when holistic changes don't work?

I feel that since i have started this journey, my acne has worsened, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.

I have done elimination diets also and nada. Can anyone else relate?


The reason it didn't work is because it is a generic diet.

I have said it and i'll say again DIETS DO NOT WORK FOR ANYTHING.

It is not a one glove all fits all situation.

You biology is unique just like the other 7billion people on this planet. You will react differently to different foods.

Get a body compositional test and a food sensitivity test. If nutrition is the way you want to control acne then you need to start there and find out what works for you. Not from what some douche has put in a book and sold a diet system.

Edited by TakeToTheSkies, 27 September 2012 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:07 PM

Have you had an ultrasound Sasch or any blood tests for hormones?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:21 PM

Hey Sasch I don't remember if you've ever mentioned it before but have you thought maybe your hormone levels were a little off? I feel like you've mentioned that you've been on Spiro before but I'm not 100 percent.

ACNE SUCKS. :C


I have been a member of this site for over a year and never in my wildest dreams did i think i would be back where i started when i first signed up. I have read many suggestions and have tried for 2-3 months, sometimes even longer, the following changes:

paleo

dairy/gluten free - 8 + months

green smoothies daily 8+ months

holistic practioners7 months

natural skin care 2-3 months

What to do when holistic changes don't work?

I feel that since i have started this journey, my acne has worsened, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.

I have done elimination diets also and nada. Can anyone else relate?


The reason it didn't work is because it is a generic diet.

I have said it and i'll say again DIETS DO NOT WORK FOR ANYTHING.

It is not a one glove all fits all situation.

You biology is unique just like the other 7billion people on this planet. You will react differently to different foods.

Get a body compositional test and a food sensitivity test. If nutrition is the way you want to control acne then you need to start there and find out what works for you. Not from what some douche has put in a book and sold a diet system.


She also said she did an elimination diet. Doesn't it suck to be so different sometimes? Like, how easy would it be if all of our bodies responded the same way to things? :P

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:34 PM


I have been a member of this site for over a year and never in my wildest dreams did i think i would be back where i started when i first signed up. I have read many suggestions and have tried for 2-3 months, sometimes even longer, the following changes:

paleo

dairy/gluten free - 8 + months

green smoothies daily 8+ months

holistic practioners7 months

natural skin care 2-3 months

What to do when holistic changes don't work?

I feel that since i have started this journey, my acne has worsened, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.

I have done elimination diets also and nada. Can anyone else relate?


The reason it didn't work is because it is a generic diet.

I have said it and i'll say again DIETS DO NOT WORK FOR ANYTHING.

It is not a one glove all fits all situation.

You biology is unique just like the other 7billion people on this planet. You will react differently to different foods.

Get a body compositional test and a food sensitivity test. If nutrition is the way you want to control acne then you need to start there and find out what works for you. Not from what some douche has put in a book and sold a diet system.


Agreed.... i have done the sensitivity test and cut out those foods and my acne still cycled from bad to worse to bad to worse. Diet is not the only way i want to control my acne but it seemed like one factor that i could control. At the end of the day though, despite eliminating, adding and such i have acne and a fear of food.

Have you had an ultrasound Sasch or any blood tests for hormones?


Just got my blood tests back and my hormones are in range which is not telling me much. Clearly hormones are a factor but i don't think its correlated with my periods (which could be a reason why birth control never worked for me)

Hey Sasch I don't remember if you've ever mentioned it before but have you thought maybe your hormone levels were a little off? I feel like you've mentioned that you've been on Spiro before but I'm not 100 percent.

ACNE SUCKS. :C



I have been a member of this site for over a year and never in my wildest dreams did i think i would be back where i started when i first signed up. I have read many suggestions and have tried for 2-3 months, sometimes even longer, the following changes:

paleo

dairy/gluten free - 8 + months

green smoothies daily 8+ months

holistic practioners7 months

natural skin care 2-3 months

What to do when holistic changes don't work?

I feel that since i have started this journey, my acne has worsened, i have developed an unhealthy fear of food and i am more stressed out now than i was a year ago.

I have done elimination diets also and nada. Can anyone else relate?


The reason it didn't work is because it is a generic diet.

I have said it and i'll say again DIETS DO NOT WORK FOR ANYTHING.

It is not a one glove all fits all situation.

You biology is unique just like the other 7billion people on this planet. You will react differently to different foods.

Get a body compositional test and a food sensitivity test. If nutrition is the way you want to control acne then you need to start there and find out what works for you. Not from what some douche has put in a book and sold a diet system.


She also said she did an elimination diet. Doesn't it suck to be so different sometimes? Like, how easy would it be if all of our bodies responded the same way to things? Posted Image


Hey! Never did Spiro and my doc wasn't too convinced i should try it as my breakouts are constant and don't get better or worse with my periods, nor do i have excess hair etc. May revisit that option though

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:44 PM

Yeah I've been wondering myself if I should check that out. My skin has been freaking out lately. It's as if every time you find something that works and helps clear you up even the slightest bit it stops working and it gets much, much worse.

:\ Hang in there.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:33 PM

Hi Sasch, you'll remember Lilo's Log, well, I have also exhausted the the diet route and went back on Bactrim, then switched to Mino, then started on low dose accutane, but the skin on my scalp started to itch, tell tale sign for me the I'm going to lose hair, again, have done accutane multiple times, only works when I take it (only took about 10 pills then stopped). So, I decided that maybe I should try Diane 35, my sister is on it with good results, but I hate the idea of taking BCP, and if it wasn't for the fact that I required a script, I would have been on it now. Also, Yaz made my hair fall out, I constantly felt hungry, it was just a nightmare, stopped after 3 months (this was a year ago).

Anyway, whille all this was going on, I developed an inflamed finger joint. Doctor said it could be osteoarthritis, huh, I'm 36? So, I started a formula for pain, inflammation and joint healing, as well as a multi for woman, a week ago. At the moment I'm not sure what is going on, but my oil has disappeared, and my acne also. This has never happened to me before and I know its only a week, but something very strange is going on at the moment. And believe me I have tried everything with 0 results. By the way, also doing the whole pre and probiotic thing (White Fox), but this is not what cleared my skin.

I will keep you updated. I know it is too soon to tell what is happening, but like I said, I have woken up to a shiny face every day of my life since puberty. My 17 OHP is high which gets converted to androgens I guess. I tested negative for CAH though, don't really have excess hair or deep voice or anything like that.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Good luck to you!

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:25 PM

I didn't really have acne fluctuation with my periods...

Also check out the new link in the bottom of my sig to a new thread we're talking about on the Hormonal subforum. There are options besides spiro and saw palmetto.

Edited by Green Gables, 27 September 2012 - 11:25 PM.


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 04:11 AM

I think nutrition can solve many things.

Acne.... well i'm no so sure. I have seen improvements but not a 100% reversal.

I wouldn't pin all your hopes on diet. Hit it from multiple angles.