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Hello guys, I havent posted here in aged and today I thought I would write a little considering the amount of troubles I have gone thru to rid my scars.

First I would like to mention I have created majority of my scars myself, if not all, all to fight 2 tiny pic scars that now looking back I think look awesome.

Scarring can really take over your life as it did for me for almost 3 years or more. I feel your pain.

No matter how little your scarring is, it can really cause you some grief.

some facts I learned about scarring.

After your first peel dont attempt to do more, you burn your first layer off, and after that your messing with your actualy skin organ, and you WILL create more scars and larger pores if you do enough.

The top layer of your skin is not replaceble and you take that off with TCA or your choice of acid and will be hard to rebuild.

Your top layer hides all your pores, so keep that in mind when peeling. you scrape that off and your pores will be more visible.

You then will be fighting large pores that are worse then your scarring that you started out fighting and your scarring might look worse initially. But you might be lucky and have them get better.

If I was doing peels, I would do one, and STOP, the more you do will not gain you any enhancements. Consider one every 6 months is more then enough, and after your second I wouldnt touch TCA again as things will not get better.

If your fighting hyperpigmentation consider mild peels that dont go deep, I would you strong creams such as tazorac.

But dont mess with TCA for hyperpigmentation.

Lasers are a scam, no matter how or what laser you tried. You also will guaranteed get more scars, and again wind up fighting scars that you had and new scars, and it turns into cycle and you start wishing you never did anything this harsh to your skin.

Microdermabrasion is great if your fighting hyperpigmentation or wanting a glow to your skin, but dont use this for scars or if you haev scars or if your fighting scars, especially harsh machines such as the powerpeel.

Here is why, if your fighting your scars and you see improvement, the reason your seeing improvement is due to new collagen building over your top layer. This new aollagen is very fragile.

If you have achieved any kind of improvements over the past 6 months of your scarring, DO NOT go get another procedure done, especially microdermabrasion. The new collagen you have worke don building in your last 6 months will get sucked right up, as if t was a layer of butter covering your scar, you will be left with the biggest scar you have yet to see.

Now it will be almost impossible to build that same lawyer of collagen once again over that particular area that you seen improvement in.

So if you see improvement after a procedure, its due to collagen building, I urge you to cherish it and do not tamper with it, it will be very hard to replace and might not be replaced.

If your over 30 and smoke dont mess with too many procedures.

Same goes with if you have a procedure done, whatever it may be, I urge you to excercise in the days after once your able to.

Or, before the procedure be in as best shape possible as you can be in, you will be AMAZED how much this helps when building collagen.

When I say procedure I really mean dermabrasion, not micro, this is probably the only procedure you will gain the most results with. And I wouldnt do it if you have a few icepicks.

Most here are creating more scars, with little warnings, I wouldnt so more then 1 peel and leave this forum, dont even get caught up in this mess people. And dont think because you seen improvement from your first that you will see improvement from more procedures, wrong, the improvements you see will and can be easily wiped away.

Stay away from phenol peels, or exoderm, biggest scam known. Believe me, I went down that road years ago, and spoken to many. It will bring you thru hell, drain your bank account, with 0 improvement, nothing more then what a tca peel can do.

So whats my advise on batteling scars?

1 tca peel and STOP, be in good shape before you do one, what you see in 1 years after is what you will have forever. Yes it can take that long for things to rebuild.

your fat will hide lots of your scarring that your dealing with now, same with if you loose weight, your scarring will be worse.

I wouldnt touch with microdermabrasion or lasers whatso ever, your wasting your time and money and WILL create more scars and will be here for more then what you came in here for.

Dermabrasion is probably the best thing out there, its not as bad as people make it, and I would only do it if your face has several scars.

Do not do a second round, it will not do you any good, keep in mind the dermabrasion itself is not whats helping your scars, no matter how hard the physician scrapes down on a scar, it will not go away. I hope you can visualise this. No matter how hard the physician grinds down on your scar and no matter how tiny your scar is, it will not go away from the dermabrasion, but from the new collagen thats about to build over the area.

Make sure you are well excercised the weeks prior, it makes all the difference.

What upset me from this forum was there wasnt any stickies warning people. And I seen the same mistakes happen over and over.

Espcially with peels, so many people have scarred themselves to suicidal levels from TCA peels. Only do 1 and walk away, thats it.

1 TCA or 1 dermabrasion, dont do it if your smoking, make sure your well in shape, add a good ointment over after the procedure and make sure you sleep very well, its when all the action takes place for new collagen.

Dont mess with microdermabrasions,or lasers, no matter what new garbage is out there, you will only scar yourself more and never do more then one peel per 6 months or a year, you will expose pores that you never seen before and be fighting pores along with scars.

PM me if you have nay questions. This forum should post stickies especially if they see a pattern in people creating more scars with a certain method. Many of you will scar more from hanging out here.

Wishing you all the best and understand you will grow out of what your going thru, it wont be with you for life, the scarring or how you feel about your scarring.

Cheers.

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Lasers are a scam, no matter how or what laser you tried. You also will guaranteed get more scars, and again wind up fighting scars that you had and new scars, and it turns into cycle and you start wishing you never did anything this harsh to your skin.

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Desperately trying to turn the state of the Scar Forum around. But I'm just one person.

Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

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I don't know how you can warn so strongly against lasers yet support dermabrasion so enthusiastically in the same post. I agree, the weaker erbium lasers are basically useless for any type of real acne scarring but I believe you take on the same risks with an ablative laser and dermabrasion. I would be interested to hear why you believe an ablative laser carries more risk to additional scarring than dermabrasion.

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Lasers are a scam, no matter how or what laser you tried. You also will guaranteed get more scars, and again wind up fighting scars that you had and new scars, and it turns into cycle and you start wishing you never did anything this harsh to your skin.

Really? How many laser treatments have you undergone? I assume you have experience with being stuck in a vicious cycle of scar treatment and laser led to additional scarring for you. Otherwise, why else would you make such a statement? Please share your personal experience. I'd love to know more.

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Dermabrasion is actually far more risky than fractional ablative lasers because you take off an entire layer of skin with dermabrasion and it's very bloody, increasing the likelihood of infection. Recovery takes several weeks, and people who aren't white will have a chance of permanent hypopigmentation. And even then, it only affects the top layer of the skin. Most scars go much deeper than that.

There's a reason most places don't do dermabrasions anymore.

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Dermabrasion is actually far more risky than fractional ablative lasers because you take off an entire layer of skin with dermabrasion and it's very bloody, increasing the likelihood of infection. Recovery takes several weeks, and people who aren't white will have a chance of permanent hypopigmentation. And even then, it only affects the top layer of the skin. Most scars go much deeper than that.

There's a reason most places don't do dermabrasions anymore.

And beyond that..I would think a doctor's skill level is much more critical with dermabrasion. I understand you want a skilled doctor with either procedure but if I'm going to have someone literally sanding my face off, I'd hope he/she really knows what they're doing.

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I must disagree. As one who has done dermabrasion and regular CO2 resurfacing, and with a few nonsense treatments, fractionalized ablative CO2 is the only treatment I recommend. Dermabrasion and regular CO2 were worthless.


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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true.

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Why are you calling these people newbies? You're one of the most recent posters here, and one of the OLDEST posters here is a staunch advocate of lasers.

Please, get your head out of your ass.

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

I've been registered on this site since 2004 and browsed here since 2002/3. I've been dealing with acne and the scarring repercussions for almost 15 years now. I'm not new to any of this..just giving my opinion of what has helped and hasn't helped me personally.

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Why are you calling these people newbies? You're one of the most recent posters here, and one of the OLDEST posters here is a staunch advocate of lasers.

Please, get your head out of your ass.

correction ive been on here since 07 on another account nice try tho.its funny i knew a new person like you was gonna comment on that remark but its true

good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

I've been registered on this site since 2004 and browsed here since 2002/3. I've been dealing with acne and the scarring repercussions for almost 15 years now. I'm not new to any of this..just giving my opinion of what has helped and hasn't helped me personally.

thats nice to know jbird. you arent alone in this battle

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Why are you calling these people newbies? You're one of the most recent posters here, and one of the OLDEST posters here is a staunch advocate of lasers.

Please, get your head out of your ass.

correction ive been on here since 07 on another account nice try tho.its funny i knew a new person like you was gonna comment on that remark but its true

good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

I've been registered on this site since 2004 and browsed here since 2002/3. I've been dealing with acne and the scarring repercussions for almost 15 years now. I'm not new to any of this..just giving my opinion of what has helped and hasn't helped me personally.

thats nice to know jbird. you arent alone in this battle

That doesn't change the fact that you need to pull your head out of your ass.

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Am I a Newbie in your eyes?


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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Am I a newbie as well? I'm pretty sure I've been dealing with my scars longer than you've had acne and scars combined. Please enlighten me on how the vast majority of us are just clueless newbies in your eyes. I'd love to hear this.

Also, I'm surprised you would agree with the OP's post, especially his recommendation for dermabrasion. Yeah, sanding down your face is totally safe and without potential side effects or repercussions... *rolls eyes*

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Why are you calling these people newbies? You're one of the most recent posters here, and one of the OLDEST posters here is a staunch advocate of lasers.

Please, get your head out of your ass.

correction ive been on here since 07 on another account nice try tho.its funny i knew a new person like you was gonna comment on that remark but its true

good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

I've been registered on this site since 2004 and browsed here since 2002/3. I've been dealing with acne and the scarring repercussions for almost 15 years now. I'm not new to any of this..just giving my opinion of what has helped and hasn't helped me personally.

thats nice to know jbird. you arent alone in this battle

That doesn't change the fact that you need to pull your head out of your ass.

dont be mad cuz your new lol

good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Am I a Newbie in your eyes?

no dudley your definitley not a newbie

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Lemme guess, you got here on a new account because your old was banned for being an asshole, right?

And from what I've gathered, you actually don't know very much acne scarring at because you never bother to actually research it. All you have are a series of biased opinions based on baseless conjecture and a shitty attitude.

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good post. its definitley good for users to be aware of the concequences and repricaussions on procedures they plan to deal with. alot of what you stated is the same msg i was trying to bring out.

collagan is such a tedious proccess your right on how fragile it is and how easy results can diminish if not careful. I agreee with laser also. so true. alot of the newbies on here are gonna disagree with what you said but after all... there NEWbies lol

Am I a newbie as well? I'm pretty sure I've been dealing with my scars longer than you've had acne and scars combined. Please enlighten me on how the vast majority of us are just clueless newbies in your eyes. I'd love to hear this.

Also, I'm surprised you would agree with the OP's post, especially his recommendation for dermabrasion. Yeah, sanding down your face is totally safe and without potential side effects or repercussions... *rolls eyes*

are you new to the org? yes. my comment wanst towards you though even tho your pretty new on this. if you have had acne scars close to 10 years then yes you have had it longer then me but regardlesss this is not a competition..where did i mention i agreed with dermabrassion? jsut because i agree with some of what the OP said doesnt mean i agree to all of it.

no matter what a anyone says the OP has a good point. a point which i think some are to blind to see....

Lemme guess, you got here on a new account because your old was banned for being an asshole, right?

And from what I've gathered, you actually don't know very much acne scarring at because you never bother to actually research it. All you have are a series of biased opinions based on baseless conjecture and a shitty attitude.

lol you guessed wrong. i forgot my password for old account so i made this one. FYI i actually have done a tremendous amount of research on the org and out side of the org. i think its you that needs to do your research and try a different approach for your deep scarring . hate to burst your bubble but laser alone aint gonna help you. not my fault your not happy with your results and live a grouchy life lol.

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His point was actually terrible. Why would you persuade people not to use fractional lasers and then advocate dermabrasion, of all things? That doesn't even make any sense.

Again, your dislike of lasers is because you have no goddamn understanding of it at all. People on these forums are CONSTANTLY telling you that it has WORKED for them. And yet you somehow keep thinking that it's the worst thing ever. If everyone else is telling you that you are wrong, it's probably likely that you are wrong.

Lemme guess, you got here on a new account because your old was banned for being an asshole, right?

And from what I've gathered, you actually don't know very much acne scarring at because you never bother to actually research it. All you have are a series of biased opinions based on baseless conjecture and a shitty attitude.

lol you guessed wrong. i forgot my password for old account so i made this one. FYI i actually have done a tremendous amount of research on the org and out side of the org. i think its you that needs to do your research and try a different approach for your deep scarring . hate to burst your bubble but laser alone aint gonna help you. not my fault your not happy with your results and live a grouchy life lol.

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your arrogance is amusing. first off the OP had many points. second persuading people to not use factional lasers and then advocate dermabrassion is NOT the point i was talking about. feeling silly now dont you?

Just because laser has worked for certain individuals it doesn mean it will work for eveyrone else what dont you get about that? your a perfect example of why laser doesnt work because if it did work you would of moved on with your life instead of taking your anger out on the org lol

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your arrogance is amusing. first off the OP had many points. second persuading people to not use factional lasers and then advocate dermabrassion is NOT the point i was talking about. feeling silly now dont you?

Just because laser has worked for certain individuals it doesn mean it will work for eveyrone else what dont you get about that? your a perfect example of why laser doesnt work because if it did work you would of moved on with your life instead of taking your anger out on the org lol

Are you being serious right now? I post on these forums because this is a cause I care about. When I was looking for research on acne scar treatments, I was lost. I wanted to help others with all I have learned. All you've done is tell people that lasers are bad.

Do lasers work for everyone? No, obviously not. But you're trying to take that and say that lasers are somehow the worst thing ever, And you have a generally caustic and unhelpful attitude. There's a reason admins have been removing your posts left and right and you stopped posting for a while.

Fuck off.

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His point was actually terrible. Why would you persuade people not to use fractional lasers and then advocate dermabrasion, of all things? That doesn't even make any sense.

Again, your dislike of lasers is because you have no goddamn understanding of it at all. People on these forums are CONSTANTLY telling you that it has WORKED for them. And yet you somehow keep thinking that it's the worst thing ever. If everyone else is telling you that you are wrong, it's probably likely that you are wrong.

Lemme guess, you got here on a new account because your old was banned for being an asshole, right?

And from what I've gathered, you actually don't know very much acne scarring at because you never bother to actually research it. All you have are a series of biased opinions based on baseless conjecture and a shitty attitude.

lol you guessed wrong. i forgot my password for old account so i made this one. FYI i actually have done a tremendous amount of research on the org and out side of the org. i think its you that needs to do your research and try a different approach for your deep scarring . hate to burst your bubble but laser alone aint gonna help you. not my fault your not happy with your results and live a grouchy life lol.

Wha?

If you actually ever read my thread, it'd be pretty obvious that I'm actually very happy with my results. As have tons of other posters who've had posted successful results with lasers and otherwise. And no, I haven't done just laser. I've done subcision, microdermabrasion, TCA peels, tretinoin, and bio-gel as well. You post on these forums with a name like "no_hope" and you're saying that I'M the grouch?

Seriously, stop being such a fucking idiot. You're a poisonous influence on these forums, and all you seek to do is put down or advocate treatments that you don't even fully understand in a random fashion based on your own ignornace. If you had any iota of intelligence left in your being, you would just stop posting on these forums forever.

BTW, the "lost password" excuse doesn't even make sense. They just send it to your e-mail. Unless you somehow forgot the password to these forums AND your e-mail AND your e-mail's backups, at which point you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.

yup your definitley the grouchy one using all the foul language which will get you banned from the org. w.e you say doesnt change the fact i cant rmemeber my old password. have fun getting banned =)

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Alright, people. Frankly, I've had it with the continuous bickering and name-calling in this forum, basically from the same persons over and over again. I have just removed 13 (!!!) posts, and some of you can expect a warning shortly. Behave yourselves, even if you don't agree with each other. To some of you: if your post was removed, it was because it contained a reply to another -now removed- post. I'm sorry, but reconstructing your replies is just too much work. Feel free to post your on-topic stuff again.


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Does this apply to dermainfusion silkpeels as well?

http://rebeccafitzge...m/silkpeel.html

This is basically just a form of microdermabrasion. Regular microdermabrasion sessions are good for improving skin texture, but they don't do anything for scars.

ah, ic. So that dermalinfusion silkpeel is not the same as wat the topic starter said, i.e.: "The top layer of your skin is not replaceble and you take that off with TCA or your choice of acid and will be hard to rebuild"

thanks

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