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Liver flush, is all the pre-stuff necessary?

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Yep...tired of it, that's why I won't respond to Ben anymore on this thread.

Scorpion.......you were being kind with Ben....I've been tempted to say 1,000 times worse than you did but cramped my fingers (bit my tongue). But you still broke out a can of whup ass on the kid and most people appreciated it. eusa_dance.gif

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Why doesn't somebody take the leap and actually get it checked out by irriagation? I mean do the flush and if you start getting stones then stop to keep the rest in. Then go to a specialist who does a day surgery on you which involves a small incision in your glalbladder and irriagating it with stone dissolving medications. If stones come out than you were right, but if nothing does than we know Ben was. All it takes is a brave person, a day at the docs, and a small scar(your gallbladder stays in your body).

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BlackBird.....not sure I understand you. The flush causes the liver to contract and the stones come out and all that is waiting to happen is for them to pass. There is no way to "keep the rest in". Besides, we have lab reports and ultrasounds online. If people like Ben don't want to believe in flushing, that's cool with me. Who cares?

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Yep...tired of it, that's why I won't respond to Ben anymore on this thread.

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Yep...tired of it, that's why I won't respond to Ben anymore on this thread.

Scorpion.......you were being kind with Ben....I've been tempted to say 1,000 times worse than you did but cramped my fingers (bit my tongue). 

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Yeah but Tracy....that's why I said: "THIS THREAD"!!! razz.gifwink.gif

To be honest.....I just like giving ole Ben a taste of his own medicine. Ben wouldn't have to worry about confronting me if he would do as JC asked him months ago and not respond in threads where he doesn't have understanding. He even agreed to it. Oh well.......

Besides, when people say REALLY STUPID things, it's hard for me to just let it slide. eusa_angel.gifeusa_angel.gifeusa_angel.gif

SV: Luv yew too. biggrin.gif

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No no, according to you guys, you have to take a series of flushes to pass out stones. What i'm suggesting is that you flush until you start getting out stones just to make sure you're passing something(some of you say it may take a few flushes), then quit the flushing protocal for the next week and go get the procedure done. If the stones are in fact gall stones then the irriagation should get out quite a bit. If it was caused by the olive oil and whatever else, then the doctor won't find any stones to irrigate. Case closed and we can stop all these threads.

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It's much easier to just have your stones analyzed for their composition.

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Yeah but Tracy....that's why I said: "THIS THREAD"!!!  razz.gif  wink.gif 

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I did 3 liver flushes over the summer with "good" results. Meaning I passed probably several hundred green, floating stone-like objects of which other people call liver/gall stones. The epsom salts tastes so incredibly bad I dont believe I could do another even if there was scientific evidense to support flushing CURES acne. And lastly I noticed absolutely no difference in my skin in my post-flush daily life.

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You don't need epsoms to do the flush. I've done plenty of flushes (9) without using epsoms.

You have to flush until no more stones come out. I hit the motherload on flushes 8-9. However.....it's so funny because I've done 14 flushes, and I can ALWAYS tell when I need to flush because I start breaking out or the joints in my hands get tight. Also....my lips will get excessively dry and flaky. It's funny....if you pay attention, you can notice certain things that get better or change once you are only doing maintenance flushing, which is what I do.

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Denise, how many liver flush have u done? Are are stone free yet?

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Are there any actual lab reports that say they are gall stones? I don't need peoples word that they took it and it was analysed positive because anyone can lie and say that on a message board. Maybe someone should take some stones from a few weeks of flushings to check.

I've read posts where people say that thier doctor started acting funny and dismissed them as not stones, but if they found evidence that it was gallstones it would be unethical to dismiss that a patient has stones(no doctor would risk losing thier license over this). Or people saying the lab didn't have the instruments to check it(which is bullshit because you don't need compicated equipment to test these).

All I would need was a photocopied, scanned, photo'd lab report saying that they are indeed gall or liver stones and I would be a believer. If it's not so hard to do then why hasn't someone posted it? You would think that you guys would just to keep Ben quiet.

I want to believe but until you get concrete evidence instead of saying, "well my results are all the evidence I need", then how can you have credability to your claims? Again, I don't need recognition from the medical community that this works, just one lab report. Better yet, don't even tell them how you got the stones, just ask them to analyse their makeup and if indeed it came from the liver or gallbladder.

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1) I was in Australia on a laptop. I really didn't have the time to find an internet cafe considering my schedule.

Ask Dan.

And if you want to talk about the top 3 stupid things posted, let's not forget, "I get hit on by 30 year old men." I saw your picture; men with cataracts don't count.

2) No it really hasn't. You make up nice words and quote fraud doctors but seemingly just answer every question with, "I've already answered it!"

3) I PMed JC and he reiterated that I can post alternate point of views if I don't start fights for no reason. This thread isn't a fight (for me). I simply would LOVE to know how a bowel affects your facial acne. Egyptians, too, believed in cleansing. Are you going by there ideals? If so, where do you hide your Hebrews?

4) 23-year-old kid. Ok. Learn to spell rebuttal and then feel free to talk to me like I'm your subordinate.

5) Your favorte argument against me seems to be that I wasn't affected with terrible chronic acne. Big me. Congrats to the people who cured acne with liverflushing -- it was called wishful thinking. Yo Denise -- I hear the liver can fix itself with prayer, too.

Thanks,

rolleyes.gif  wacko.gif Good grief!  Do you think we are STEW-PID!?  How much more are you going to insult my intelligence?!  You were out of the country at the time.  DUH.  You could have used any one computer in Australia.  This is perhaps one of the top 3 dumbest things you've posited yet.

This has been explained to you at least 10 times.

JC said that if people posted questions about matters you have no experience in, then not to flame the board with a bunch of crap like you did on this thread.  You have not respected his request once that I can think of.

  Not worth a reply.  Again.....I don't believe you were a debating club president; you are too weak on substance and make nonsensical statements all the time. 

No, I'm saying that you don't respect people's opinions.  You are a 23 year old kid who didn't have more than a few zits at one time and "cured" your acne by drinking more water.  You insult people on this board who have had literally tried every CONVENTIONAL AND ALTERNATIVE MEANS TO CURE THEIR ACNE and have FINALLY cured it through liverflushing and bowel cleansing.  I recall myself and a few others who talked about very serious health problems that doctors didn't have answers to and all you could do was mock and make fun of us.  Again.....your differing opinions aren't the problem; your immaturity is.

That's all I have to say to you because I've already wasted enough time dealing with your foolishness.  You aren't respected, you never have decent rebuttels, and you post nonsensical foolishness and build up strawmen and then knock them down (I don't practice blackmagic).  You worship doctors as if they are gods.  If that's the way you want to live your life, that's fine.  But when people post questions about liverflushing and bowel cleansing (something you have no experience in), you have been asked not to do it, but you keep answering anyway. 

Just shut up about stuff you don't have first hand knowledge about, and keep to your water drinking cure and maybe you'll get more respect.

Respect is earned, and you havn't earned it. eusa_snooty.gif

And I'm being much kinder than Scorpion Vixen was. surprised.gif

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PPS: People on CureZone are the only ones to claim to have tested their stones. They're also liars.

Where are those energy vortexes when you need 'em?

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A link to a place called the "Angel Healing Center." Rock-solid science at its best.

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A link to a place called the "Angel Healing Center." Rock-solid science at its best.

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They lie because they believe in it since it's all they do believe in. It's like a religion for these people.

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Hi Denise2 biggrin.gif You said that you do liver flushes without using epsom salts, and I was just wondering how you do your liver flushes and where did you get your information from? I was hoping to do a liver flush without having to use salts at all. Any info is greatly appreciated! biggrin.gif


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Hmm that lab report is interesting. I'm clear right now but it the source of the info seems questionable. Maybe I'll phone them. I'm also tempted to do a flush and get whatever comes out and have it analyzed myself, then I'll post it here. That way you'll get results from a sceptic.

ALthough I don't think I have any stones. I was raised in a rural town and never really ate fast food, only healthy stuff(even our beef is wildgrass, freerange and high in omega 3). This habit of eating healthy has stuck with me when I moved to the city(I don't even think I've ever had a slice of white bread, lol).

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Damn Ben...if you don't think something works then don't do it yourself.

But there is no reason to sit there and try to convince others of your belief.

Especially since a lot of people here have done liver flushes and bowl cleanses and had good results.

Isn't this place supposed to be about sharing ideas to help our common problem?

Why frown upon something that could possibly help someone?

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Because it's creating people who believe in false hope and obsess over their health. People should be conscious not to hurt themselves but some of these flushlovers take it overboard.

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You are probably right about that. I definately have had self image issues all my life. I used to have a severe eating disorder when I was younger..(ironically my skin was perfectly clear back then) then I battled horrible depression most of my teens, almost died a few times, then once that got better I developed horrible skin problems. I've always felt like I've desparately been grasping for control over my life and appearance. Especially lately with my skin. It's like you try SO many things, and you feel so hopeless and out of control. While I do believe that colon cleansing can help the body (note-I don't think it's healthy to irrigate or do enemas-I mean colon cleansing by eating a high fiber diet and stuff) I have been realizing lately how much of it is just me desparately needing to find a sense of control over my skin problems. It's important to not come at this from an obessive place, you are right about that.


Current Skin-Care Regimen (A work in progress):

Morning:

Gentle wash with DKR cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil (The lotion alone wasn't hydrating enough)

Skin 79 Korean BB Cream (excellent stuff)

Evening:

Gentle Wash with DKR Cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil


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