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#21 Oner

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:43 AM

i've stopped posting all my meals on here not because my skin is looking SO GOOD! I'm not entirely sure what i can attribute my skin condition to right now because i am taking 30 mg zinc & 400mg chromium daily too. (i reduced my intake of them). Also i sometimes have cinnamon cause its apparently supposed to help insulin resistance. And i'm not 100% paleo either, occasionally i do have rice pasta or sushi, but when i do cheat i usually make sure to have fiber with that meal. I also had carrot cake which is a big no no but you gotta live. My skin is not 100% clear either. I still get occasional active spots but its only been a week and i feel so good. This is something that I will continue indefinitely. Its been 2 years and I finally have made progress! I'm starting to think that my fish intake is the largest contributor to my improvement in skin and not paleo or the supplements. The reason being is that omega 3's do so many things, i keep researching omega 3 plus a health problem keep finding official studies showing the importance of omega 3's. They relate to androgens, liver health, brain function, insulin resistance. Maybe omega 3's are one of the largest contributors of acne for everyone. Simply popping a fish oil pill won't do it for most. I believe the paleo diet has aided this because it reduces your intake of omega 6 so much and helps to bring you down to a healthier ratio. My regimen will continue.....

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

Do you have oily skin? My pimples have gone but my skin is still pretty oily...

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:32 AM

my skin was always slightly oily but not enough that really concerned me at all. I haven't really been looking out for the oiliness of my skin, but i would say it is less oily. Its hard to tell because that wasn't ever the issue for me. are you 100% paleo? do you consume fish often? I honestly believe fish was a huge roll in my acne condition. just search for omega 3's on here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

and you will find plenty of studies regarding them.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:55 PM

Since I've gone Paleo I eat much more fish than before, but maybe 3-4 times a week.
The rest of the meals I eat meat only. Do you think this is not enough?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 05:04 PM

im not sure, I'm no expert. I only know the feelings of my own body and in no way and am I a good source of information on nutrition. BUT....my opinion is that since most of what we eat is dominated by omega 6 (aka another huge fault of the western diet), it might take longer balance out your ratio if you are consuming mostly other meats with fish occasionally. I might be overdoing it because i have fish for at least 2 out of my 3 meals a day. I'm also exercising more which i hope will burn fat so that my body can replace the omega 6 with omega 3 and speed up the process of balancing my omegas. I base this theory off multiple threads, published studies, and personal anecdotes so its obviously not foolproof, just a theory. But since an increased intake of omega 3's boosts insulin resistance, lowers risks of heart disease/osteoporosis/depression/brain damage, heals the gut, and controls androgens, I think it is wise to aim for a healthier omega ratio and thus possibly see a reduction of acne.

so personally i would say yea eat more fish if you can, preferably wild caught salmon. have you seen any results on paleo? also how long have you been doing paleo?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:22 AM

Hi,
I have been over a week now.
I have now less blackheads in my nose and also my cheeks feel smoother. The chin area, however, which is where my acne problem is located, is still far from perfect, although no new pimples/cysts have appeared since I started Paleo.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:11 AM

if no new pimples/cysts have appeared since paleo, wouldn't you say that is a huge improvement? I used to get new active spots daily, like tons and now i dont at all.

things are doing good here. im not cured or clear 100% though. I have cheated a few times and have not seen huge breakouts like i would before paleo. If i ate ice cream before i got baddd acne, but now i dont.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:58 AM

if no new pimples/cysts have appeared since paleo, wouldn't you say that is a huge improvement? I used to get new active spots daily, like tons and now i dont at all.

things are doing good here. im not cured or clear 100% though. I have cheated a few times and have not seen huge breakouts like i would before paleo. If i ate ice cream before i got baddd acne, but now i dont.


Congrats - you may be on the right track then. Do you have before pictures. Many of us on the board find it helpful when people post their pictures so that we can match severity of acne to treatments....maybe there's a pattern ya know.

If you're not comfortable with that, can you at least describe your acne.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

honestly i dont have any pictures when my acne was severe, because like most people here i avoided cameras like they were the devil. And i dont have a camera now. my acne is looking great. I used to have cysts all over my back. the skin on my back was so rough it was disgusting. i had bumps all over my chest that i could squeeze and white stuff would easily come out of each pore. my face hurt when i smiled or raised my eyebrows and i avoided looking in the mirror. i had cysts under my jaw line blackheads on my nose and forehead and chin and upper cheek area. Basically i had the typical case of severe acne, but now after this paleo diet (which i cheat by having sweet potatoes, and rice occasionaly, and then with friends i might have a frozen yogurt or something with sugar) i feel so good. my back is smooth, my chest only has like 2 small red spots that are hardly noticeable. i dont know if its the sugar-free aspect of the diet, or it may be the high amounts of fish and sweet potatoes, or it could be the chromium and zinc! its hard to say, but i am going to stick with it and report back

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:33 AM

as of now i will be posting what i am generally eating rather than every single meal

Diet:
Sweet Potatoes
Canned Salmon
Salads
Cucumbers
Celery
Coconut milk
Black tea
Green tea
Beef
Salsa fresca
Guacamole
Quinoa/rice dishes occasionally
i had a few sugar free oreos. no big deal.
Bacon
eggs
Asparagus
Brussel Sprouts

i keep expecting breakouts, even after cheating on this diet, and then i look in the mirror and feel my face and......nothing. It's a godsend. I feel so good.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:56 AM

Something is happening. I'm breaking out pretty bad and getting majorly depressed. My skin was on its way to perfection but now it has degraded a lot. I have been inconsistent with my cinnamon supplement because i am traveling right now. Also because I am traveling I have cheated on the diet twice but that was 5 days ago! I have no idea what is happening. It is going to take a lot of evaluation and research until I can figure out why i have digressed. Possibly cinnamon was the main contributing factor here? and i need to continue it? But that seems unlikely because of how strict/healthy my diet has been overall. Hmmmmm....Today is friday and on Sunday I had a went out for a fancy meal of Tapas and basically ate whatever. Maybe I have candida and the "cheating" fed the candida and allowed it thrive again and now i have to start all over to kill if off? The paleo diet is very similar to the anti-candida diet so this could be possible. I'm becoming very frustrated. I hate how we all have to self-medicate ourselves and be our own doctors. Its like a whole other load plus the acne. I think I'm screwing up my thinking/logic too.

OR it could be that I am consuming soy from hidden sources since I am traveling. Soy always breaks me out. I can count on that, but never can I count on something to prevent me from breaking out.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:05 AM

except the peculiar thing about all this is that my back acne is miraculously very clear as opposed to its worst state of 10 cysts and incredibly painful where I couldn't even put lean against a chair. Now it is relatively smooth with a few bumps and staying clear. It is so frustrating how complex acne is!

Update on my current regiment:
still paleo and trying to be 100% to clear from this random breakout.
Chromium & Zinc still daily
Cinnamon twice daily with food.
And then I am going to keep using my hemp oil which I have only ever used to speed up healing. I am now going to apply it morning and night indefinitely to see if there is any huge improvement because after reading this thread by alterntavist (who has an amazing wealth of nutritional information)

http://www.acne.org/...pical-solution/

I had been using hemp oil for a bout a month or two before this but never consistently.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:32 PM

after reviewing my log, i now realize that i ate a ton of raw broccoli which caused my breakout. I have a new thread on this here:

http://www.acne.org/...i-broke-me-out/

I have confirmed this because recently i ate only broccoli for two days and suffered.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:30 AM

It has been rather difficult to keep up a paleo diet on a college campus. I have limited my grain and sugar intake but its not nearly as perfect as before. My face isnt doing very well at all. I ended my zinc, chromium, and cinnamon supplementation early in september because i didnt think it was a contributer. But i think now i will restart those supplements after rereading peoples posts here and here"

http://www.acne.org/...e__hl__chromium

http://www.acne.org/...e__hl__chromium

http://www.acne.org/...e__hl__chromium

also,

http://www.acne.org/...tance-and-acne/

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:29 AM

i will give it a week to notice results from this. 400mg chromium and 30mg zinc with breakfast and repeat for dinner. also I have been using Betaine HCL with my meals since sunday and haven't noticed any improvements. I drank alot this past weekend so the only improvement i have are just the natural fading of my alcohol breakout. I ALWAYS breakout from alcohol yet I still drink. So my skin conditiion I believe is returning to its normal state, and normal to me means moderate/severe acne. I'm not sure why my acne has regressed so much in college. I haven't masturbated in 2 weeks, I try to eat paleo as much as possible except for rice and maybe once every couple of days I eat something sweet. I limit my fruit intake as well.

I have been supplementing with borage oil inconsistently. That seemed to help alot when a friend came and visited me but now my acne has regressed. I hope to be more consistent with that. 5 borage oil pills with a raw egg yolk and some hemp oil. This is GLA + Lecithin + ALA.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:58 AM

maybe i should be taking magnesium as well?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:01 PM

so one egg yolk has about 26 mcg of chromium. I have been eating two a day so 50mcg of chromium a day. maybe that has been helping
http://apjcn.nhri.or...ta5m.html#fig54

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

as of yesterday I added in my cinnamon. it is vietnamese cinnamon which is the closest cinnamon type i could find to cassia at whole foods. I decided not to get ceylon.

I have also been reducing my Betaine HCL supplementation to about 4-5 pills per meal as opposed to 7-9 pills. (its random)

I'm praying that by thanksgiving i will have much clearer skin.

another factor to note: I took adderall on saturday and found out online that some people get massive breakouts from it. hmmmmmm

i know for certain that androgens worsen my acne because when i stopped masturbating everyday, it helped my acne alot, but obviously its still there. I went about 2 weeks without masturbating but yesterday I broke that. I plan on only masturbating once every 2 weeks. seems reasonable to me.

right now my regimen is this:

mastubate only once every 2 weeks.
try to be as paleo as possible, rice is okay. no gluten.
only have one sweet thing every couple of days.
1 teaspoon vietnamese cinnamon with all my meals.
4 pills of Betaine HCL with all my meals (I'm not sure if this one is really helping)
Still taking 10 pills Borage oil plus two egg yolks and some hemp oil. split this up in two doses.
60mg zinc split up to 2 doses
800mcg Chromium split up to 2 doses.
Avoid soy, flax, goitrogenic foods when possible.
Try to avoid alcohol (it is very difficult in college).

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

so i've been looking more insulin resistance as a cause of acne: The following are PROVEN:
Puberty is a period of temporary insulin resistance
http://jcem.endojour.../72/2/277.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12364479
http://diabetes.diab.../43/7/908.short

Insulin resistance raises androgens in the body
http://jnci.oxfordjo...5/1/67.full.pdf
http://jcem.endojour...6/10/4881.short

androgens cause acne in me becuase i did the masturbation test.

also i know that my acne is a puberty change because it started to get it when I was 15 and it hit hard when i turned 16. I am 18 now and still have it. My dad and grandpa both had it bad until they were juniors in college.

It has only been two days since i revamped my chromium/zinc supplements and I already see a bit of improvement. Its hard to tell with all the red marks, but i won't be able to tell for sure for another couple of days. I tried chromium/zinc before and i didn't see the improvements for about 7 days. I am basing this off previous posts.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:18 AM

Definitely on the right track.