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Teeth Issues (Due To Stopping Fluoride) Suggestions?

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I've been having some pain in my teeth recently and upon closer inspection with the torch on my phone i noticed there is insane amounts of build up around my teeth, very yellow and looks like you'd need a scraper to remove. even my back teeth are so yellow its gross. i was following the advice to give up fluoride(to perhaps help acne, but mainly for overall health to help my acne if possible). I have for many months now. what i do is:

oil pull in the morning with sesame oil, sea salt to wash mouth. then I use a herbal toothpaste (i've tried a few). at night i brush with baking soda. although it makes my teeth feel clean i guess its not doing the job. i brush for an appropriate amount of time.

i've been doing this for months and noticed my teeth arent even getting better, just worse. im actually scared to go to the dentist, firstly i dont have the money but secondly just embarassed :/

my diet does not contain things that are known to harm teeth like processed sugar etc and i floss everytime i brush. i drink a lot of water and dont drink coffee (and dont drink herbal tea often).

any suggestions? Is there a way to reverse this or am i going to have to go to the dentist. i dont want to have to use fluoride again -_- it made no difference to my health and acne stopping it but its just another thing i'd like to avoid for overall health to help my acne/hormones.

has anyone else had issues stopping fluoride?

thanks you for any input :)

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never heard that fluoride causes acne. I would suggest to reintroduce fluoride toothpaste again.

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Is the build up hard or soft? if it's soft then it's plaque which can be removed by brushing but once the plaque mineralizes it forms calculus which needs to be removed by a dentist during a simple scale and polish procedure. I'm a dental student and have practiced this a lot, it takes quite a bit of force to remove and the right instruments. I would recommend you go see a dentist sooner than later because when the calculus is above the gum-line it's not so bad but with time it'll go below the gum line forming subgingival calculus and that's when complications arise, irreversible gum disease, tooth loss etc. I don't mean to scare you it's just a lot of dental disease are easily reversible in the early stages which is why everyone should get a checkup every 6 months.

I don't know about costs in your country but here in the uk a scale and polish cost £16.50 and trust me it's not embarrassing at all I've seen much much worse oral hygiene conditions and it's our job, to a dentist it's just normal the same way 'embarrassing problems' are to a doctor.

If you don't want to use fluoride then buy a non fluoride toothpaste that contains some antibacterial ingredients. when your brushing u physically remove debris but you also need to kill the bacteria that cause dental disease. You could buy a tea tree oil toothpaste and add some baking soda.

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Flouride impairs thyroid function. And is toxic. And it doesn't help to remove plaque.

The baking soda and the herbal paste are probably less abrasive than whatever you used to use. Which is actually a good thing. You want to protect your enamel. Dry brushing actually removes more plaque than anything else. And you can get a scraper.

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[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

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I've been off fluoride toothpaste for a couple months now. I haven't noticed anything except a cleaner feeling mouth.

I brush/floss my teeth twice a day with only baking soda. Perhaps it's that oil or herbal toothpaste which is the culprit. Keep it simple.

Also, I didn't see any mention of a mouthwash. I personally use pure vodka because it's basically Listerine without all the added chemicals.

Good luck!

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This is from Dr Mercola's site. A blurb article from Prevention magazine and then Mercola's additions

Dry Brushing Beats Dental Plaque

'Dry brushing' -- brushing teeth without toothpaste -- may be a more effective plaque remover than brushing with paste, one expert says. This study found that 128 individuals who dry-brushed over a six-month period saw plaque deposits on their back teeth drop by 67%, compared with plaque build up found on their teeth before the dry-brushing regimen began. Gum bleeding due to gingivitis (gum disease) also fell by 50%.

One should use a soft, dry brush which seems to scour away built-up bacterial plaque better than a moistened one. If bristles feel stiff, 'relax' them by running your thumb through them before brushing. Begin inside, finish out. The inner surfaces of the bottom row of teeth should be brushed first, before saliva buildup develops. Proceed to the inner top level of teeth next, then move to the outer surfaces. The dry-brushing process should take about a minute and a half.

Prevention September, 1997;49(9):45

Dr. Mercola's Comment:

I also learned the following technique from Dr. Doug Cook, one of the top environmental dentists in the country. It is the way I brush my teeth.

Use a dry Periodontal Health Brush (715-839-9103, I also have them in my office). Blot the brush at a 45 degree angle at the gum line about 20 times in each area around the mouth. Start behind the teeth first. You can rinse or snap dry the brush after each area to remove the bacteria and parasites. Then use a mixture of six parts of baking soda to one part of Real Salt or Sea Salt. Place in a blender and mix for 30 seconds then place in a container. Wet the tip of your index finger and place a SMALL amount of the salt and soda mixture on the gums. Starting with the upper outside gums and then the inside of the upper, followed by the lower outside of the gums then the lower inside. Spit out the excess. After 15 minutes rinse your mouth. This mixture is incredibly effective at killing the bacteria and parasites that cause plaque. Some dentist will even take a sample from your mouth and show you with a microscope the incredible difference prior to and after using this program and how it radically reduce the bacterial concentration in your gums. It is very important to improve periodontal health. And healthy gums means less teeth problems.

A description of technique from a NY Times article:

Brushing Guidelines. The following are some recommendations for brushing:

  • Use a dry brush. One study reported that when people brushed their teeth without toothpaste first, using a soft dry brush, their plaque deposits were reduced by 67%, and gum bleeding dropped by 50%.
  • No brush of any size, shape, or gimmick is effective if it is incorrectly positioned in the mouth. Place the brush where the gum meets the tooth, with bristles resting along each tooth at a 45-degree angle.
  • Begin by dry brushing the inside the bottom row of teeth, then the inner top teeth, and last the outer surfaces.
  • Wiggle the brush back and forth so the bristles extend under the gum line.
  • Scrub the broad, biting surfaces of the back teeth.
  • Dry brushing should take about a minute and a half.
  • A paste is then applied, and the teeth should again be brushed in the same way.
  • The tongue should be scrubbed for a total of about 30 seconds. A tongue scraper used with an anti-bacterial mouthwash (such as Listerine) is more effective than a toothbrush in removing bacteria.
  • Rinse the toothbrush thoroughly and then tap it on the edge of the sink at least five times to get rid of debris.
  • Flossing should finish the process. A mouthwash may also be used.

Some more links:

http://www.drbunn.com/faq/dry-brushing

http://www.wynman.com/link1e7.html This is an interview with a dentist who has some pretty interesting things to say, tons I'd never heard. He mentions Weston Price and other researchers and observers of cultures not/less influenced by the European cultures. And he brings up an interesting point about acids dissolve enamel and exposing the more sensitive dentin which people think is stains and what they need is harsher abrasives making the problem worse.

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FSAS: You mention that your teeth were more sensitive and that's why you looked at your teeth. Have you been having more acidic things like lemon juice? ACV? What about diet sodas? And you aren't bulimic are you?

I've been looking for info on this periodontal health brush that both Mercola and Wynman recommend. I haven't found it yet, other than and ADA recommendation. No picture.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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i dont want to have to use fluoride again -_- it made no difference to my health

This is because you need to remove the fluoride that has already accumulated within your endocrine glands. The only way to do this (slowly and over time) is by substituting another halogen (iodine) that can unbind the fluoride from your receptor sites. Iodine is needed by nearly every process in your body and can be utilized at all levels. Not only do you need to avoid ALL sources of fluoride to prevent further damage to your cognitive abilities, you need to detox the years of accumulated fluoride in order to restore the full endocrine function you enjoyed in your younger years.

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Stop using toothpaste! Toothpaste contains glycerine which STOPS teeth from healing.

Use something else, like baking soda, or better, an herbal tooth powder, to clean your teeth. My teeth were full of holes until I switched from toothpaste (EVEN the natural kind is bad) to tooth powder.


/>http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/tooth-remineralisation-demineralisation-saliva-ph.html

"For teeth to be able to integrate the minerals contained in saliva into their structural "latticework", i.e. for them to remineralize, via saliva Dr. Gerald Judd, author of 'Good Teeth Birth to Death', insists that teeth must be "clean" to allow this remineralization to occur. In his eyes, teeth must not only be brushed but also be free of any coating of sticky glycerin (see details at Dr. Gerald Judd's natural dental protocol). Oddly, glycerin is a common ingredient in many commercial toothpastes (and even found in health food store varieties).

To my knowledge Dr. Judd was the first to "officially" recommend using soap instead of toothpaste to effectively "squeaky" clean teeth and gums, as the first crucial step for allowing remineralization to occur from the nutrition provided by the saliva.

While Dr. Judd's insistence on glycerin- and otherwise clean teeth seems to make sense, some dental researchers such as Dr. Weston A. Price and Dr. George W. Heard have reported seeing perfectly healthy teeth which had never even been cleaned and were thickly covered with various impurities. Invariably, these teeth were found in people having lived on a natural mineral and trace element-rich diet from birth."

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Morning:

Gentle wash with DKR cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

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Skin 79 Korean BB Cream (excellent stuff)

Evening:

Gentle Wash with DKR Cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil


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Stop using toothpaste! Toothpaste contains glycerine which STOPS teeth from healing.

Use something else, like baking soda, or better, an herbal tooth powder, to clean your teeth. My teeth were full of holes until I switched from toothpaste (EVEN the natural kind is bad) to tooth powder.

http://www.healingte...-saliva-ph.html

"For teeth to be able to integrate the minerals contained in saliva into their structural "latticework", i.e. for them to remineralize, via saliva Dr. Gerald Judd, author of 'Good Teeth Birth to Death', insists that teeth must be "clean" to allow this remineralization to occur. In his eyes, teeth must not only be brushed but also be free of any coating of sticky glycerin (see details at Dr. Gerald Judd's natural dental protocol). Oddly, glycerin is a common ingredient in many commercial toothpastes (and even found in health food store varieties).

To my knowledge Dr. Judd was the first to "officially" recommend using soap instead of toothpaste to effectively "squeaky" clean teeth and gums, as the first crucial step for allowing remineralization to occur from the nutrition provided by the saliva.

While Dr. Judd's insistence on glycerin- and otherwise clean teeth seems to make sense, some dental researchers such as Dr. Weston A. Price and Dr. George W. Heard have reported seeing perfectly healthy teeth which had never even been cleaned and were thickly covered with various impurities. Invariably, these teeth were found in people having lived on a natural mineral and trace element-rich diet from birth."

They also tend to use some kind of chewing sticks to clean their teeth. And they sell such things on Amazon. Or gather them from the great outdoors.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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^ Flouride impairs the thyroid hormone. And is toxic. And it doesn't help to remove plaque.

The baking soda and the herbal paste are probably less abrasive than whatever you used to use. Which is actually a good thing. You want to protect your enamel. Dry brushing actually removes more plaque than anything else. And you can get a scraper.

If you read my post again you'll see i did not recommend fluoride, nor did i state or imply it helps to remove plaque so I don't see why you felt the need to direct that at me. What FSAS describes as needing a scraper to remove sounds like calculus (plaque and calculus are not the same) which dry or wet brushing won't remove because it's a hard mineralized mass adhered to the tooth surface. This needs to be removed by a simple procedure by the dentist (doesn't involve fluoride) and then she has a clean canvas to work on with alternative methods. I agree fluoride is a controversial ingredient hopefully by the time i graduate there's peer reviewed research on alternatives that I can recommend to my patients.

I've seen and analysed a lot of medical studies and the one you posted i wouldn't give much credibility. The sample size is small comparable to those used on adverts for cosmetics, you also have to consider that the participants are likely to pay more attention to their oral hygiene now that they're taking part in a study, it's just basic human nature.

There's a lot more factors then just brushing your teeth when it comes to dental disease, salivary composition, flow rate and diet etc which is why some people can get away with brushing once a day and others who brush twice can still end up with cavities.

I'd recommend a scale and polish then you have a clean canvas to try other methods and find what works for you smile.png

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I found the Periodontal Health Tooth brush recommended by Mercola and the other Dentist as by far the most beneficial dental implement out there: http://phbtoothbrush...y.php?groupid=0

They look like the brushes the dentist gives to my mother who wears dentures. She gave me one once when I forgot my toothbrush. IF they are the same thing, they are extremely soft. And very very small, and I use a small brush. She doesn't brush. Either the dentist didn't explain that they were for her gums or she didn't pay any attention. She certainly isn't big into taking charge of her own health.

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If you read my post again you'll see i did not recommend fluoride, nor did i state or imply it helps to remove plaque so I don't see why you felt the need to direct that at me.

Sorry, but I didn't direct anything at you. Or respond to anything at all in your post which I read just fine. I was responding to the post above. and you apparently hit save before me.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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flouride has little to do with acne, but we may be overexposed to it.

but it also really does strengthen enamel and fight cavities.

are you consuming any highly acidic foods? or high sugar foods?

that could be harming your teeth as some of these foods like limes and lemons or vineger can chelate calcium and take it away from your teeth.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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I found the Periodontal Health Tooth brush recommended by Mercola and the other Dentist as by far the most beneficial dental implement out there: http://phbtoothbrush...y.php?groupid=0

They look like the brushes the dentist gives to my mother who wears dentures. She gave me one once when I forgot my toothbrush. IF they are the same thing, they are extremely soft. And very very small, and I use a small brush. She doesn't brush. Either the dentist didn't explain that they were for her gums or she didn't pay any attention. She certainly isn't big into taking charge of her own health.

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If you read my post again you'll see i did not recommend fluoride, nor did i state or imply it helps to remove plaque so I don't see why you felt the need to direct that at me.

Sorry, but I didn't direct anything at you. Or respond to anything at all in your post which I read just fine. I was responding to the post above. and you apparently hit save before me.

My bad :) sorry

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I also had much more plaque buildup on a natural toothpaste (sulfate-free, flouride-free) and a natural mouthwash (I used Squigle for the first 6 months, then Tom's brand for the next 6 months). This was confirmed by two dentist appointments. I have been well-educated on the proper brushing and flossing technique and my execution hasn't changed. I'm not sure if it's the fluoride, or if it's the absence of sulfates that wasn't removing plaque. I did try making my own baking soda paste but it was so disgusting to taste I quit.

I originally switched to natural toothpaste to see if it helped my acne anyway, which it didn't.

Sorry, I don't really have a suggestion, I went back to Crest toothpaste and Listerine and my teeth are doing fine now. My dentist said part of the problem is I have "deep grooves" in my teeth that a toothbrush will not get to. I need something like Listerine that will penetrate into those grooves to prevent cavities. My dad has the same grooves in his teeth, doesn't use a mouthwash and only brushes/flosses once a day, and his teeth are pretty bad.

I know we like to be all about naturally curing things, but if you look at the "natural" teeth of primitive cultures they are yellow, crooked, and usually missing several. I think the biggest way to naturally prevent plaque is to avoid sugars and acids. But you still need modern help to get "pretty" and "clean" teeth. Whether fluoride is the way to do that or not...I'm not really convinced either way. I just know that Crest and Listerine work better than the natural brands for me :|


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flouride has little to do with acne, but we may be overexposed to it.

but it also really does strengthen enamel and fight cavities.

are you consuming any highly acidic foods? or high sugar foods?

that could be harming your teeth as some of these foods like limes and lemons or vineger can chelate calcium and take it away from your teeth.

flouride has little to do with acne, but we may be overexposed to it.

but it also really does strengthen enamel and fight cavities.

are you consuming any highly acidic foods? or high sugar foods?

that could be harming your teeth as some of these foods like limes and lemons or vineger can chelate calcium and take it away from your teeth.

There was one entire book on Fluoride and acne. Person who cured acne her acne by minimizing fluoride intake. Teas do contain fluorides too, because of how they are prepared.

Fluoride is a toxic substance, it isn't recommended for you to consume it. just like how everyone thought, eating fat makes you get diabetes or drinking milk is healthy. Some countries ban fluoride in their water and they are just fine, infact healthier than Americans.

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I don't know why I didn't mention OIL PULLING. In this thread yet. OIL PULLING. Look it up, because I have explained it many times and don't have time right now to explain it again. But it is an incredibly valuable thing to learn and make a habit of. Oil pulling--look it up and DO IT. Regardless of whether or not you have dental problems, this is something you should be doing daily.


Current Skin-Care Regimen (A work in progress):

Morning:

Gentle wash with DKR cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil (The lotion alone wasn't hydrating enough)

Skin 79 Korean BB Cream (excellent stuff)

Evening:

Gentle Wash with DKR Cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil


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I don't know why I didn't mention OIL PULLING. In this thread yet. OIL PULLING. Look it up, because I have explained it many times and don't have time right now to explain it again. But it is an incredibly valuable thing to learn and make a habit of. Oil pulling--look it up and DO IT. Regardless of whether or not you have dental problems, this is something you should be doing daily.

The original poster mentioned it. Now that I've looked it up, there are quite a few reports of yellowing teeth from oil pulling. It may depend on the type of oil used, but I've never personally tried it, so I don't have much more to add.

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This is from Dr Mercola's site. A blurb article from Prevention magazine and then Mercola's additions

Dry Brushing Beats Dental Plaque

'Dry brushing' -- brushing teeth without toothpaste -- may be a more effective plaque remover than brushing with paste, one expert says. This study found that 128 individuals who dry-brushed over a six-month period saw plaque deposits on their back teeth drop by 67%, compared with plaque build up found on their teeth before the dry-brushing regimen began. Gum bleeding due to gingivitis (gum disease) also fell by 50%.

One should use a soft, dry brush which seems to scour away built-up bacterial plaque better than a moistened one. If bristles feel stiff, 'relax' them by running your thumb through them before brushing. Begin inside, finish out. The inner surfaces of the bottom row of teeth should be brushed first, before saliva buildup develops. Proceed to the inner top level of teeth next, then move to the outer surfaces. The dry-brushing process should take about a minute and a half.

Prevention September, 1997;49(9):45

Dr. Mercola's Comment:

I also learned the following technique from Dr. Doug Cook, one of the top environmental dentists in the country. It is the way I brush my teeth.

Use a dry Periodontal Health Brush (715-839-9103, I also have them in my office). Blot the brush at a 45 degree angle at the gum line about 20 times in each area around the mouth. Start behind the teeth first. You can rinse or snap dry the brush after each area to remove the bacteria and parasites. Then use a mixture of six parts of baking soda to one part of Real Salt or Sea Salt. Place in a blender and mix for 30 seconds then place in a container. Wet the tip of your index finger and place a SMALL amount of the salt and soda mixture on the gums. Starting with the upper outside gums and then the inside of the upper, followed by the lower outside of the gums then the lower inside. Spit out the excess. After 15 minutes rinse your mouth. This mixture is incredibly effective at killing the bacteria and parasites that cause plaque. Some dentist will even take a sample from your mouth and show you with a microscope the incredible difference prior to and after using this program and how it radically reduce the bacterial concentration in your gums. It is very important to improve periodontal health. And healthy gums means less teeth problems.

A description of technique from a NY Times article:

Brushing Guidelines. The following are some recommendations for brushing:

  • Use a dry brush. One study reported that when people brushed their teeth without toothpaste first, using a soft dry brush, their plaque deposits were reduced by 67%, and gum bleeding dropped by 50%.
  • No brush of any size, shape, or gimmick is effective if it is incorrectly positioned in the mouth. Place the brush where the gum meets the tooth, with bristles resting along each tooth at a 45-degree angle.
  • Begin by dry brushing the inside the bottom row of teeth, then the inner top teeth, and last the outer surfaces.
  • Wiggle the brush back and forth so the bristles extend under the gum line.
  • Scrub the broad, biting surfaces of the back teeth.
  • Dry brushing should take about a minute and a half.
  • A paste is then applied, and the teeth should again be brushed in the same way.
  • The tongue should be scrubbed for a total of about 30 seconds. A tongue scraper used with an anti-bacterial mouthwash (such as Listerine) is more effective than a toothbrush in removing bacteria.
  • Rinse the toothbrush thoroughly and then tap it on the edge of the sink at least five times to get rid of debris.
  • Flossing should finish the process. A mouthwash may also be used.

Some more links:

http://www.drbunn.com/faq/dry-brushing

http://www.wynman.com/link1e7.html This is an interview with a dentist who has some pretty interesting things to say, tons I'd never heard. He mentions Weston Price and other researchers and observers of cultures not/less influenced by the European cultures. And he brings up an interesting point about acids dissolve enamel and exposing the more sensitive dentin which people think is stains and what they need is harsher abrasives making the problem worse.

--------------------------

FSAS: You mention that your teeth were more sensitive and that's why you looked at your teeth. Have you been having more acidic things like lemon juice? ACV? What about diet sodas? And you aren't bulimic are you?

I've been looking for info on this periodontal health brush that both Mercola and Wynman recommend. I haven't found it yet, other than and ADA recommendation. No picture.

thankyou for all the info!

Actually yes, I've been drinking lemon water (often with spring water/mineral water with freshly squeezed lemon juice) everyday now. I use a straw though becuase I dont want it to touch my teeth. could the lemon being turning my teeth like this? Such a catch 22 , lemons are so good for you. I honestly dont know if I could give up drinking lemon water as it makes me feel great.

also I'm a bit curious regarding mouthwash (in general to those who mentioned it here).

Isn't listerine quite bad for the teeth? I avoided mouthwash because i just didnt know which one to use. is there are really effective ones that arent listerine? smile.png

I don't know why I didn't mention OIL PULLING. In this thread yet. OIL PULLING. Look it up, because I have explained it many times and don't have time right now to explain it again. But it is an incredibly valuable thing to learn and make a habit of. Oil pulling--look it up and DO IT. Regardless of whether or not you have dental problems, this is something you should be doing daily.

I oil pull everyday smile.png what oil would you recommend?

oh no guys, I'm convinced its the lemon water doing me no favors for my teeth. it does make a lot of sense because i try to drink 2 glasses a day sometimes its only one sometimes its 3 and started about 2 months ago. but it has made me feel a lot better and i think keeping inflammation to a minimum.

Is there a way around this? can i still drink lemon water? :/

gr. i find something that helps and its doing me harm in other ways..certainly cant win! haha.

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You can brush ur teeth after drinking lemon water

would that perhaps cause enamel loss? i was once told you shouldnt brush directly after acidic foods. then again i was told that ages ago so not sure how trustworthy it is.

i'll be using just baking soda from now on, i never brush straight after eating or drinking anything (thats not water) for some reason i had this thought in my head that teeth were weakest right after acidic things and to wait a bit so saliva has a chance to help out a bit, then to brush.

then again people chew gum after eating so i think im a little confused haha

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I heard that too. I think you can wait for half an hour and just use a mouth wash but don't know why you are having problems even using a straw.

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I don't know why I didn't mention OIL PULLING. In this thread yet. OIL PULLING. Look it up, because I have explained it many times and don't have time right now to explain it again. But it is an incredibly valuable thing to learn and make a habit of. Oil pulling--look it up and DO IT. Regardless of whether or not you have dental problems, this is something you should be doing daily.

The original poster mentioned it. Now that I've looked it up, there are quite a few reports of yellowing teeth from oil pulling. It may depend on the type of oil used, but I've never personally tried it, so I don't have much more to add.

It actually whitens your teeth provided you use the correct type of oil. I'd be willing to bet a lot of those people used olive oil, which isn't suitable for pulling. My teeth are super white and nice looking and I use coconut oil. Lately I've been adding some colloidal silver to my oil before I swish and it seems to be helping a lot with my sore gums.

I oil pull everyday smile.png what oil would you recommend?

oh no guys, I'm convinced its the lemon water doing me no favors for my teeth. it does make a lot of sense because i try to drink 2 glasses a day sometimes its only one sometimes its 3 and started about 2 months ago. but it has made me feel a lot better and i think keeping inflammation to a minimum.

Is there a way around this? can i still drink lemon water? :/

gr. i find something that helps and its doing me harm in other ways..certainly cant win! haha.

Yes! You can still have things like lemon water, pineapple. But believe me, I learned the hard way that you have to be careful. At the point where my teeth were the weakest and the most sensitive, I made the mistake of eating some pineapple and the acids literally ate a visible hole through the front of one of my teeth! It was SOOO painful. That was the point where I started really researching how to heal the teeth naturally.

A few things have to happen. First, you have to be eating a super nutritious, healthy, alkaline diet. Lots of greens and calcium rich veggies.

Second, as previously mentioned, you have to get off the toothpaste.

Third, you have to avoid putting super acidic foods directly on your teeth, at least while you are healing. But you can still have lemon water! Just drink it through a straw and try to put the straw near the back of your mouth. Swallow it straight down, don't let it swish in your mouth at all.

With pineapples, I found I was able to eat them in a smoothie by swallowing it down with a similar quickness. No matter what you do, DON'T chew pineapple.

I don't know about you but I also have problems with apples, so I pretty much only eat them in smoothie form as well. Be careful about any salad dressings which contain a lot of vinegar, as well. You might want to take it easy on those for awhile, but if you need dressing, check out the recipe I posted in the recipe forum (it should be on one of the last pages, at the sticky up top). I find that if you mix the vinegar with the creaminess of the ground sunflower seeds, it takes some of the acid "bite" out of it and doesn't harm your teeth as much. That's just me of course, your mileage may vary. But at one point my teeth were about as weak as teeth could possibly get without falling completely out. So if it worked for me all of this will probably work for you too.

Now, after years of oil pulling everyday, good diet, flossing and brushing correctly, and being careful about acids, all of the holes are no longer visible in my teeth, they don't hurt and aren't sensitive at all anymore! The dentist told me that could never happen, and that if I didn't get all of my cavities filled I would risk root canals in the near future. The same dentist also got mad at me when I didn't want them to coat my teeth in that ultra powerful fluoride foam shit. Well that was about four years ago now, so dentist, you can suck it. :)

You can brush ur teeth after drinking lemon water

Actually, you don't want to do that... the acids soften the enamel and right after exposure is the time the teeth are at their weakest. It's better to rinse with a little dissolved baking soda in water to neutralize the acids and remove food particles, then wait a while before brushing your teeth. That of course is only after serious acid exposure, when teeth are very weak. Now I am able to brush my teeth right after eating with no problems as long as I'm careful. But for a little while the rinse/brush later method helped me.


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Morning:

Gentle wash with DKR cleanser

Benzoyl Peroxide 2.5% (Following Dan's Regimen)

DKR Lotion + A squirt of Argan or Grapeseed oil (The lotion alone wasn't hydrating enough)

Skin 79 Korean BB Cream (excellent stuff)

Evening:

Gentle Wash with DKR Cleanser

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I don't know why I didn't mention OIL PULLING. In this thread yet. OIL PULLING. Look it up, because I have explained it many times and don't have time right now to explain it again. But it is an incredibly valuable thing to learn and make a habit of. Oil pulling--look it up and DO IT. Regardless of whether or not you have dental problems, this is something you should be doing daily.

The original poster mentioned it. Now that I've looked it up, there are quite a few reports of yellowing teeth from oil pulling. It may depend on the type of oil used, but I've never personally tried it, so I don't have much more to add.

It actually whitens your teeth provided you use the correct type of oil. I'd be willing to bet a lot of those people used olive oil, which isn't suitable for pulling. My teeth are super white and nice looking and I use coconut oil. Lately I've been adding some colloidal silver to my oil before I swish and it seems to be helping a lot with my sore gums.

I oil pull everyday smile.png what oil would you recommend?

oh no guys, I'm convinced its the lemon water doing me no favors for my teeth. it does make a lot of sense because i try to drink 2 glasses a day sometimes its only one sometimes its 3 and started about 2 months ago. but it has made me feel a lot better and i think keeping inflammation to a minimum.

Is there a way around this? can i still drink lemon water? :/

gr. i find something that helps and its doing me harm in other ways..certainly cant win! haha.

Yes! You can still have things like lemon water, pineapple. But believe me, I learned the hard way that you have to be careful. At the point where my teeth were the weakest and the most sensitive, I made the mistake of eating some pineapple and the acids literally ate a visible hole through the front of one of my teeth! It was SOOO painful. That was the point where I started really researching how to heal the teeth naturally.

A few things have to happen. First, you have to be eating a super nutritious, healthy, alkaline diet. Lots of greens and calcium rich veggies.

Second, as previously mentioned, you have to get off the toothpaste.

Third, you have to avoid putting super acidic foods directly on your teeth, at least while you are healing. But you can still have lemon water! Just drink it through a straw and try to put the straw near the back of your mouth. Swallow it straight down, don't let it swish in your mouth at all.

With pineapples, I found I was able to eat them in a smoothie by swallowing it down with a similar quickness. No matter what you do, DON'T chew pineapple.

I don't know about you but I also have problems with apples, so I pretty much only eat them in smoothie form as well. Be careful about any salad dressings which contain a lot of vinegar, as well. You might want to take it easy on those for awhile, but if you need dressing, check out the recipe I posted in the recipe forum (it should be on one of the last pages, at the sticky up top). I find that if you mix the vinegar with the creaminess of the ground sunflower seeds, it takes some of the acid "bite" out of it and doesn't harm your teeth as much. That's just me of course, your mileage may vary. But at one point my teeth were about as weak as teeth could possibly get without falling completely out. So if it worked for me all of this will probably work for you too.

Now, after years of oil pulling everyday, good diet, flossing and brushing correctly, and being careful about acids, all of the holes are no longer visible in my teeth, they don't hurt and aren't sensitive at all anymore! The dentist told me that could never happen, and that if I didn't get all of my cavities filled I would risk root canals in the near future. The same dentist also got mad at me when I didn't want them to coat my teeth in that ultra powerful fluoride foam shit. Well that was about four years ago now, so dentist, you can suck it. smile.png

You can brush ur teeth after drinking lemon water

Actually, you don't want to do that... the acids soften the enamel and right after exposure is the time the teeth are at their weakest. It's better to rinse with a little dissolved baking soda in water to neutralize the acids and remove food particles, then wait a while before brushing your teeth. That of course is only after serious acid exposure, when teeth are very weak. Now I am able to brush my teeth right after eating with no problems as long as I'm careful. But for a little while the rinse/brush later method helped me.

thankyou so much for your reply :)

I've been using sesame oil for a few months now to oil pull. it hasnt yellowed my teeth but perhaps i might benefit from other oil. I just bought some new coconut oil so i'll use that (do you warm it up to let it form into a liquid first or do you just let use it as a solid ..as it will form into a liquid in the mouth anyway?).

I havent used commerical toothpaste for probably about a year now and the past 2 months ive been favoring just baking soda (sometimes i used the herbal toothpaste maybe once-twice a week as well just for the sake of taste :P)

i also eat a healthy diet (i know thats quite a claim haha as everyones opinion is different) but definitely dont eat or drink processed. basically my diet when speaking of 'food groups' is lots of veggies/fruit, healthy fats, salmon/chicken breast. no dairy at all (for a few years).

and down to the little details i dont use any chemicals (in products, never really have, only put on my face what i'd eat and my shampoo is organic/herbal).

I also use BPA free water bottles when i need to consume from a plastic bottle.

so back to the teeth though, i think for now i might just have to pay extra attention to the way i consume the lemon water and also making an even greater effort with my flossing (as a lot of what i can see of 'build up' is between teeth, my teeth are straight however but there is one tooth that overlaps at the front bottom row a bit and i noticed a lot of .. i guess plauqe there.

I dont have money for the dentist at all right now so will just pay closer attention for now.

also thats what i thought regarding brushing right afterward so im glad you have the same opinion and im not completely off there :) i always thought it was important to give your teeth some time to 'coat' in saliva before going ahead and brushing away at them after consuming acidic things mostly. i'll use a mouthwash of baking soda also. I also sometimes rinse my mouth with sea salt after oil pulling.

what is your opinion on sugar free gum?

i stay away from gum because I have jaw issues so i dont chew unless its needed, but are the claims actually true that sugar free gum meant for teeth actually can help teeth do you know? or is it another gimmick?

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try oil pulling, makes ur teeth white, and removes toxins. and flouride is toxic and dangerous,

edit: beaten....... i should read through threads

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You can brush ur teeth after drinking lemon water

would that perhaps cause enamel loss? i was once told you shouldnt brush directly after acidic foods. then again i was told that ages ago so not sure how trustworthy it is.

i'll be using just baking soda from now on, i never brush straight after eating or drinking anything (thats not water) for some reason i had this thought in my head that teeth were weakest right after acidic things and to wait a bit so saliva has a chance to help out a bit, then to brush.

then again people chew gum after eating so i think im a little confused haha

Yes, don't brush right after. Rinse your Mouth instead.


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