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#1 amnesiac

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Posted 30 September 2004 - 03:43 PM

Well here is the deal my acne started 8 months ago, i am still having some but not as bad as before i am already scarred wich will require treatment.

Thing is all this deal about diet doesn't make much sense, i mean some people get acne and others don't, i never had acne and i am still eating what i used to eat yet i had a period where my nerves where on overdrive and i think maybe that screwed something up in my body.

Thing is we use diets and vitamins/supplements to compensate for something, for our bodies not working right, i mean if others can have a normal eating lifestyle and never get acne, never take supplements/vitamins and never get acne why can't we?

I feel as it is our bodies wich are internally weak, i really don't know where to go or what to do. I recently went to an endochrinologist and my thyroid hormone levels are normal, my calcium levels are high wich is odd since i don't consume much calcium.

I plan to go to another general doctor to check my other organs function status, what do you reccomend?
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Posted 01 October 2004 - 11:05 AM

QUOTE(amnesiac @ Sep 30 2004, 02:43 PM)
Thing is we use diets and vitamins/supplements to compensate for something, for our bodies not working right, i mean if others can have a normal eating lifestyle and never get acne, never take supplements/vitamins and never get acne why can't we?

I feel as it is our bodies wich are internally weak, i really don't know where to go or what to do.

I plan to go to another general doctor to check my other organs function status, what do you reccomend?

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EXACTLY! We are not the same, no matter how much of the same foods we eat, because of our genes, we are still not built the same. This is something many people overlook either accidentally or intentionally when they don't understand or don't want to believe that a certain "cure" can work for one person and not the other. Certain ethniciites are more prone to certain diseases. Depending on your environmental influences (diet, pollution, toxins, stress, etc) they can make those diseases become more or LESS likely to occur. ;-)

So I'm wondering what other tests your doctor ran? Did he test your testosterone levels, your adrneals, or only your thyroid? Eitherway, absolutely skin disorders are signs that there is some sort of internal problem or imbalance going on. Thyroid disorders are associated with a wide variety of skin diseases, most of which will correct itself upon proper treatment. Same goes for Adrenal and Androgen disorders, they are associated with certain forms of skin disoders. Same for consuming toxins, pesticides, bad preservatives, & hormones in our foods, eliminate these contaminants and usually, not always, the skin disorder associated with it will heal. The problem is, acne and a few other skin disorders, can be symptoms of LOTS of different problems. Thats why one thing works for one group, another thing works for another group, and so forth.

Does that help any?
These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):
* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)
* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002
* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)
* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):
* 1/18/08 Ultimate Colon Cleanse (30 day program)

Research:
* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).
* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.

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Posted 02 October 2004 - 12:09 AM

Yeah it helps, i'll do some test more aimed to my hormones and androgens to see, the doctor i went to was an endochrinologist so he could do no further testing other than the high blood calcium wich i am having another test to check if i have hyperparathyroidism.

I am goign to a generalist doctor(all around) soon i'll see what tests he reccomends, i mean acne from one day to another at my 20's is not normal.
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Posted 02 October 2004 - 07:47 AM

Hmm, see an Endocrinologist is exactly who you should be seeing. So when you go for more tests, you should visit another endocrinologist as this one didn't do his job properly. A regular doctor may help, but he isn't a specialist in internal functioning and metabolism like an endo is. Also, if you can you could visit an allergist, but it's possible that this could be a hormonal shift for you and so I guess you want to see if this is something temporary or permanent.

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What is an Endocrinologist?
An endocrinologist is a specially trained doctor. Endocrinologists diagnose diseases that affect your glands. They know how to treat conditions, which are often complex and involve many systems and structures within your body. Your regular doctor refers you to an endocrinologist when you have a problem with your endocrine system.

What is the endocrine system?
The endocrine system is a complex system of glands. Glands are organs that make hormones. These are substances that help to control activities in your body. Hormones control reproduction, metabolism (food burning and waste elimination), and growth and development. Hormones also control the way you respond to your surroundings, and they help to provide the proper amount of energy and nutrition your body needs to function. The endocrine glands include the thyroid, parathyroid, pancreas, ovaries, testes, adrenal, pituitary and hypothalamus.

What do endocrinologists do?
Endocrinologists are trained to recognize and treat hormone problems by helping to restore the natural balance of hormones in your system. Endocrinologists also conduct basic research to learn the secrets of glands. Clinical research helps them learn the best ways to treat patients. Endocrinologists develop new drugs and treatments for hormone problems. They take care of many conditions including:

diabetes
thyroid diseases
metabolism
hormonal imbalances
menopause
osteoporosis
hypertension
cholesterol (lipid) disorders
infertility and birth control
shortness (short stature)
cancers of the glands

What type of medical training do endocrinologists receive?
Endocrinologists finish four years of medical school and then spend three or four years in an internship and residency program. These specialty programs cover internal medicine, pediatrics, or obstetrics and gynecology. They spend two or three more years learning how to diagnose and treat hormone conditions. Overall, an endocrinologist's training will take more than 10 years.

What are the most common endocrine diseases and disorders?
Endocrine diseases and disorders can be grouped into several different areas. Some endocrinologists focus on one or two areas, such as diabetes, pediatric disorders, thyroid, or reproductive and menstrual disorders. Others work in all areas of endocrinology. The major areas of endocrinology are described below.


Diabetes
Patients with diabetes have too much sugar in their blood. Recent studies have found that controlling blood sugar helps prevent serious problems from diabetes. These can include problems in the eyes, kidneys and nerves, which can lead to blindness, dialysis, or amputation. Endocrinologists treat diabetes with diet and medications, including insulin. They also work closely with patients to control blood sugar and monitor them so they can prevent health problems.


Thyroid
Patients with thyroid disorders often have problems with their energy levels. They may also have problems with muscle strength, emotions, weight control, and tolerating heat or cold. Endocrinologists treat patients with too much or too little of the thyroid hormones. They help patients reach a hormone balance by replacing thyroid hormone. Endocrinologists also receive special training to manage patients with thyroid growths or thyroid cancer, and swollen thyroid glands.


Bone
Osteomalacia (rickets, which causes bones to soften) and osteoporosis are bone diseases that endocrinologists diagnose and treat. Osteoporosis is a disease that weakens your skeleton. Certain hormones act to protect bone tissue. When hormone levels drop, bones can lose tissue and weaken. Menopause, loss of testicle function, and aging may put you at risk for bone fractures. Endocrinologists treat other disorders that can affect bones, such as too much parathyroid hormone.


Reproduction/Infertility
About one in ten American couples are infertile. Endocrine research has helped thousands of couples to have children. Endocrinologists diagnose and treat the precise hormone imbalance that causes infertility, and also assess and treat patients with reproductive problems based in glands. They work with patients who need hormone replacement. Problems that they treat include menopause symptoms, irregular periods, endometriosis, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), premenstrual syndrome, and impotence.


Obesity and Overweight
Endocrinologists treat patients who are overweight or obese, often because of metabolic and hormonal problems. The sign of obesity is too much body fat. Thyroid, adrenal, ovarian, and pituitary disorders can cause obesity. Endocrinologists also identify factors linked with obesity such as, insulin resistance and genetic problems.


Pituitary Gland
The pituitary is often called the master gland of the body because it controls other glands. The pituitary makes several vital hormones. Over - or under - production of pituitary hormones can lead to infertility, menstrual disorders, growth disorders (acromegaly or short stature) and too much cortisol production (Cushing's syndrome). Endocrinologists control these conditions with medications and refer patients who need surgery.


Growth
Children and adults can suffer the effects of not producing enough growth hormone in their bodies. Pediatric endocrinologists treat children who suffer from endocrine problems that cause short stature and other growth disorders. Adults with growth hormone deficiency can experience emotional and psychological distress, and feelings of fatigue. Safe and effective growth hormone replacement therapy is available for people whose growth is abnormal.


Hypertension
Hypertension is high blood pressure, and it is a risk factor for heart disease. Up to 10% of people have hypertension because of too much aldosterone, a hormone produced in the adrenal glands. About half of these cases are caused by growths that can be removed with surgery. Conditions such as the metabolic syndrome or a growth called a pheochromocytoma also may cause hypertension. These conditions also can be treated successfully.

Lipid Disorders
Patients with lipid disorders have trouble maintaining normal levels of body fats. One of the most common lipid disorders is hyperlipidemia - high levels of total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (known as "bad" cholesterol), and/or triglycerides in the blood. High levels of these fats are linked to heart and blood vessel (coronary heart) disease, strokes, and other diseases. Hypertension is common in people with lipid disorders, and together these factors put patients at higher risk for coronary heart disease. Endocrinologists are trained to detect factors that may be related to lipid disorders, such as hypothyroidism, drug use (such as steroids), or genetic or metabolic conditions. Lipid disorders can be found in several conditions that require special management, including the metabolic syndrome, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), and obesity. Special diets, exercise, and medications may be prescribed to manage hyperlipidemia and other lipid disorders.




Here's examples of tests you may/should have done:
http://www.labtestso...ns_disease.html (Adrenals)

http://www.labtestso.../metabolic.html (Metabolic Syndrome / Insulin Resistance Syndrome - leads to several disorders including Type II Diabetes & PCOS)

http://www.labtestso...tions/pcos.html (PCOS - big one for females)

Also you said your acne isn't as bad now, why is that? Oral meds & topicals?

bye for now
These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):
* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)
* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002
* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)
* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):
* 1/18/08 Ultimate Colon Cleanse (30 day program)

Research:
* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).
* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.




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