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#1 LZOMG

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:50 PM

I am starting to get spots on my back and Im thinking it might be grains, I didnt think whole grains could be bad but apparently everyone on this site agrees all grains are evil. So for 6 months I will completely cut out all bread, pasta, oatmeal, etc....
Ive already cut out dairy for over a year now and it did help to a extent.


ive been using topicals retin-a and clindamycin so thats what has been clearing my face clear. But my back is starting to erupt a little.

Can some one explain how? I read "it causes inflammation" but how can inflammation in the stomach cause inflammation on the face?

i understand how dairy can cause it with the hormones 'turning on' oil glands.


Also can you post if eliminating grains from your diet effected your diet in any way shape or form?

Edited by LZOMG, 23 July 2012 - 06:25 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:09 PM

I think it's mainly from the gluten, gluten is a type of protein that's very hard for the body to digest so it makes the digestive system sluggish and can cause/aggravate a leaky gut. So maybe if you find gluten free oatmeal/pasta it would be fine? It's nearly impossible to find gluten free bread though.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:16 PM

I think it's mainly from the gluten, gluten is a type of protein that's very hard for the body to digest so it makes the digestive system sluggish and can cause/aggravate a leaky gut. So maybe if you find gluten free oatmeal/pasta it would be fine? It's nearly impossible to find gluten free bread though.


Gluten free bread is pretty easy to find where I live, you can find it at Whole Foods or any health food store. I always thought oatmeal was gluten free? Darn...I've been eating tons of it lately thinking it was good for skin. :(

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:16 PM


I think it's mainly from the gluten, gluten is a type of protein that's very hard for the body to digest so it makes the digestive system sluggish and can cause/aggravate a leaky gut. So maybe if you find gluten free oatmeal/pasta it would be fine? It's nearly impossible to find gluten free bread though.


Gluten free bread is pretty easy to find where I live, you can find it at Whole Foods or any health food store. I always thought oatmeal was gluten free? Darn...I've been eating tons of it lately thinking it was good for skin. Posted Image


I heard its the yeast in bread that causes problems. You can buy/make yeast free bread/pan cakes and see if you still break out. Oatmeal, barley contains beta-glucan which gets rid of the bad bacteria plus other immune boosting benefits. The gluten is quite minimal to have any effect.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:43 PM

You can buy certified gluten-free oats from Bob's Red Mill: http://www.bobsredmi....php?recipe=662

They also sell gluten-free steel-cut oats, which are even less processed and more of the whole food since it's just finely cut oat grains.

Have you tried a gluten-free diet first before a grain-free diet? It can be a great starting point since acne can be a manifestation of a gluten intolerance due to an inability to digest the protein and its cascading inflammatory effects on the gut, immune system, and then the skin.

You can experiment with a grain-free diet if the gluten-free diet doesn't help, but I'd start with other foods high in sugar first--dates and other dried fruit, fruit juice, rice milk, etc. before cutting out oatmeal and brown rice which are relatively low glycemic. Quinoa is also excellent and is a pseudo-grain, completely gluten-free.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:23 PM


I think it's mainly from the gluten, gluten is a type of protein that's very hard for the body to digest so it makes the digestive system sluggish and can cause/aggravate a leaky gut. So maybe if you find gluten free oatmeal/pasta it would be fine? It's nearly impossible to find gluten free bread though.


Gluten free bread is pretty easy to find where I live, you can find it at Whole Foods or any health food store. I always thought oatmeal was gluten free? Darn...I've been eating tons of it lately thinking it was good for skin. Posted Image


oatmeal is gluten free, however, it is many times processed on the same equipment as gluten products, so finding one that says gluten free just means you are being extra careful to make sure there is no gluten.

grains as an entire group can be hard for some people to digest, like myself. I have issues with gluten and corn. I can fine with beans and rice though. its on a individual level, but it seems like research and studies are showing more signs of gluten intolerance these days, similar to lactose.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:48 AM

More likely its that the most commonly consumed grains have a high glycemic load, which spikes your insulin levels and "turns on oil glands" as you put it. When insulin is spiked in this way, it triggers the hormones that cause inflammation on your problem areas.

Cutting out all grains is a great way to see if this is indeed your problem. If it works, try adding small amounts and eating them along with high-fiber vegetables, fat, and protein to balance out the meal's glycemic index. You can also eat them within 30 minutes or so of intense exercise to help diminish the grains' effect on your blood sugar. For example, I eat a bowl of oatmeal with peanut butter and chia seeds every morning after working out with no inflammatory effects.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:54 AM

Inflammatory foods don't just cause inflammation in the stomach, they cause systemic chronic silent inflammation in a number of ways. One example is the omega 6 EFAs that grains and all seeds are very high in. They stimulate the production of pro-inflammatory prostaglandins. As opposed to the anti-inflammatory prostaglandins that Omega 3 EFAs stimulate. But you don't have to avoid all inflammatory foods. You just consume more anti-inflammatory foods than inflammatory. In other words, eat less grains and grain oils and sugars than most Americans do these days.

And then there's also the grains to which you might be intolerant and/or do damage to your intestinal linings faster than your body can repair them with nutrients that you need to consume.

Then you need to prepared them properly--soaking/sprouting/fermenting--which is rarely done in any commercial product and if it is done, it'll cost you. Sprouted grain breads and true artisanal sourdough or other long fermented breads are examples.

Some grains are more harmful than others, but most grains are not evil. But they are not optimal foods and usually empty and nearly empty calories. Have limited amounts. Don't fill up on them with toast and cereal at breakfast, sandwiches or pizza for lunch and then dinner of pasta or bread. Don't have much more than one serving a day. If you really want a carby cereal like thing for breakfast, then whole oats soaked overnight is a good option as they are a fairly good source of the protein you should start your day with.

They also aren't easily digested, but that's another thing that's improved with proper preparation.

Also, they may inhibit an enzyme that is involved in normal cell desquammation - in other words dead skin cells that shed freely without clumping together and clogging pores. http://www.acne.org/...-clogged-pores/ for info on this enzyme and proper preparation methods for grains and other seeds. And http://www.acne.org/...in-substitutes/ for recipes more info on grain preparation and grain substitutes like coconut or banana nut butter pancakes!

Edited by alternativista, 24 July 2012 - 09:26 AM.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:24 AM



Can some one explain how? I read "it causes inflammation" but how can inflammation in the stomach cause inflammation on the face?
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Also can you post if eliminating grains from your diet effected your diet in any way shape or form?


The same way inflammation in your gums affects heart disease as they've been announcing a lot recently. It causes systemic chronic silent inflammation. Systemic meaning all over your body.

And my skin cleared when I eliminted sugary drinks and started avoiding high glycemic load meals, drinks and snacks. After that, I don't notice much difference from avoiding things like grains and dairy, but as there are so many ways they affect acne and health, I limit them.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

you may have to re-evaluate your ideas about what it means for something to "cause" something else.

there may be a relationship between acne and gluten, but with this information alone we cannot come to the broad conclusion that gluten and grains are bad for acne, nor bad for all people. there is something going on here, in its relationship to acne, but the relationship is not causative in nature, its a complicated problem, you will have to understand how the intestine maintains barrier function and how undigested food particles can pass through the intestinal lining and interfere with the functioning of the rest of the body and how the immune system also becomes involved. its really complex science that will take hours and hours of study. also, the intestinal bacteria are largely involved in this process as well, as they are simultaneously involved in the functioning of the immune system and gut barrier function/intestinal permeability.


people may propose the entire solution to be avoid all grains because of this relationship, that may not be a healthy solution, but lowering your intake of grains could help.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:22 AM




Can some one explain how? I read "it causes inflammation" but how can inflammation in the stomach cause inflammation on the face?
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Also can you post if eliminating grains from your diet effected your diet in any way shape or form?


The same way inflammation in your gums affects heart disease as they've been announcing a lot recently. It causes systemic chronic silent inflammation. Systemic meaning all over your body.

And my skin cleared when I eliminted sugary drinks and started avoiding high glycemic load meals, drinks and snacks. After that, I don't notice much difference from avoiding things like grains and dairy, but as there are so many ways they affect acne and health, I limit them.


I really admire you for writing the same things to people over and over again. That takes patience and commitment!

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:37 PM

Grains contain a good deal of fiber and polysaccharides that tend to be eaten by bacteria more than they are absorbed by your intestines. If you have some sort of intestinal imbalance, which most people with acne probably have, then you are feeding the bad bacteria more than you are feeding the good bacteria, thus contributing to the problem.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:01 PM

thanks everyone for the advice,
even though yall tell me just to get "gluten free" i think I will cut grains out all together until january 1, 2013.

I feel like its the best way to know for sure. Today marks day #2 of my grain free diet. I will keep bump this thread once a month or so to keep yall updated on the results

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:44 PM

you may have to re-evaluate your ideas about what it means for something to "cause" something else.

there may be a relationship between acne and gluten, but with this information alone we cannot come to the broad conclusion that gluten and grains are bad for acne, nor bad for all people. there is something going on here, in its relationship to acne, but the relationship is not causative in nature, its a complicated problem, you will have to understand how the intestine maintains barrier function and how undigested food particles can pass through the intestinal lining and interfere with the functioning of the rest of the body and how the immune system also becomes involved. its really complex science that will take hours and hours of study. also, the intestinal bacteria are largely involved in this process as well, as they are simultaneously involved in the functioning of the immune system and gut barrier function/intestinal permeability.


people may propose the entire solution to be avoid all grains because of this relationship, that may not be a healthy solution, but lowering your intake of grains could help.


^ This. I know 2 people who work at Wageningen University (the nutrition and health department). They've researched grains for many years, specifically their impact on the human body. They've never found a relation between gluten/grains and acne, nor decreased health (unless people were gluten intolerant). On the contrary, when eating a balanced diet, with enough vegetables, some meat, some grains, some dairy, etc. (organic/raw, obviously), the grains proved to be beneficial. They found that the "damage" at cell level could actually promote the health of the GI tract in the end (forgive me for not remembering the details). They've also done research on grains, gut bacteria, and insulin resistance, as a follow-up on other preliminary studies, and guess what? Removing grains (gluten, specifically) decreased the number of beneficial bacteria, consuming grains improved insulin resistance. Unfortunately, those were very small studies (not funded), but it shows that things are not as simple as 1+1=2. And that it's useless to focus on single ingredients, the human body is way too complicated for that. No food source (let alone the combination of all the foods you consume) consists of one isolated ingredient. The argument that's often being used is, that you can get your nutrients from other/"better" food sources. Even though that's true, it doesn't make grains inherently unhealthy, there's much more to it. Admitted: I haven't talked to them in a year or so, so maybe there's more recent research, proving them wrong. If so: please share. The grains they've used in their research were not modified in any way (they grew them themselves). Maybe there's the major culprit: modified/processed foods and not having a balanced diet. One more thing: contrary to popular belief, they told me that humans have been eating grains for at least 100,000 years, probably even twice as long (not that this should be an argument to justify eating grains, but most people believe it's only 10,000 years).

LZOMG, good luck on your grain-free diet! I hope it'll help you, and thanks for keeping us posted!

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:50 PM

LZOMG, good luck on your grain-free diet! I hope it'll help you, and thanks for keeping us posted!


Thank you,

Seeing as how youve been on these boards many more years than me what exactly started this grain free for acne diet trend ive been seeing?

I can see how the dairy free one got started due to the scientific studies based off of it but what about grains makes them this forums most popular food to blacklist?

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:15 PM

Thank you,

Seeing as how youve been on these boards many more years than me what exactly started this grain free for acne diet trend ive been seeing?

I can see how the dairy free one got started due to the scientific studies based off of it but what about grains makes them this forums most popular food to blacklist?


That's a very good question. My best bet would be the increased interest in Paleo, and the many Paleo bloggers bashing grains. These bloggers are often parroted here, but trust me, there's no (none, zero) evidence that whole grains, as a part of balanced diet, will cause issues, unless you have an intolerance. I urge people who don't agree with this to post studies. Same for dairy, there are some studies showing that dairy aggravates acne, but the people I've talked to said they could not reproduce the results when using raw dairy in their research, specifically yogurt and cheese.

Don't let this keep you from your grain-free diet, though, because there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that it helps with reducing or even eliminating acne, it's just not proven by science (yet), and it won't work for everybody. Good luck, I truly hope it will help you!

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:54 PM

That's a very good question. My best bet would be the increased interest in Paleo, and the many Paleo bloggers bashing grains. These bloggers are often parroted here, but trust me, there's no (none, zero) evidence that whole grains, as a part of balanced diet, will cause issues, unless you have an intolerance. I urge people who don't agree with this to post studies. Same for dairy, there are some studies showing that dairy aggravates acne, but the people I've talked to said they could not reproduce the results when using raw dairy in their research, specifically yogurt and cheese.

Don't let this keep you from your grain-free diet, though, because there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that it helps reducing or even eliminating acne, it's just not proven by science (yet), and it won't work for everybody. Good luck, I truly hope it will help you!


thanks alot, the main reason I decided to go through this is because eating alot of grains is the only thing I havnt changed much at all in the past 5 years, i also just happen to have fighting this battle for about 5 years now. Ive also read alot of success stories on these forums about people leaving grains having clear skin shortly afterwards. hopefully, ill be part of that club soon. So i can focus on my acne scar battle more.

Thanks for the advice and I plan on updating the 1st of every month.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:24 PM


That's a very good question. My best bet would be the increased interest in Paleo, and the many Paleo bloggers bashing grains. These bloggers are often parroted here, but trust me, there's no (none, zero) evidence that whole grains, as a part of balanced diet, will cause issues, unless you have an intolerance. I urge people who don't agree with this to post studies. Same for dairy, there are some studies showing that dairy aggravates acne, but the people I've talked to said they could not reproduce the results when using raw dairy in their research, specifically yogurt and cheese.

Don't let this keep you from your grain-free diet, though, because there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that it helps reducing or even eliminating acne, it's just not proven by science (yet), and it won't work for everybody. Good luck, I truly hope it will help you!


thanks alot, the main reason I decided to go through this is because eating alot of grains is the only thing I havnt changed much at all in the past 5 years, i also just happen to have fighting this battle for about 5 years now. Ive also read alot of success stories on these forums about people leaving grains having clear skin shortly afterwards. hopefully, ill be part of that club soon. So i can focus on my acne scar battle more.

Thanks for the advice and I plan on updating the 1st of every month.



What kind of grains do you have?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:07 AM



That's a very good question. My best bet would be the increased interest in Paleo, and the many Paleo bloggers bashing grains. These bloggers are often parroted here, but trust me, there's no (none, zero) evidence that whole grains, as a part of balanced diet, will cause issues, unless you have an intolerance. I urge people who don't agree with this to post studies. Same for dairy, there are some studies showing that dairy aggravates acne, but the people I've talked to said they could not reproduce the results when using raw dairy in their research, specifically yogurt and cheese.

Don't let this keep you from your grain-free diet, though, because there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that it helps reducing or even eliminating acne, it's just not proven by science (yet), and it won't work for everybody. Good luck, I truly hope it will help you!


thanks alot, the main reason I decided to go through this is because eating alot of grains is the only thing I havnt changed much at all in the past 5 years, i also just happen to have fighting this battle for about 5 years now. Ive also read alot of success stories on these forums about people leaving grains having clear skin shortly afterwards. hopefully, ill be part of that club soon. So i can focus on my acne scar battle more.

Thanks for the advice and I plan on updating the 1st of every month.



What kind of grains do you have?

I use to eat (wheat) bread daily but I cut that out completely a few months ago.

But over the past 5 years I eat alot of pasta, like a pretty good sized plate worth of pasta each day for every day for the last 5 years of my life. ive eaten different things but pasta has always been a staple in my diet.

If acne really is caused by diet then this change should help out what remaining acne i have left.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:06 AM

Be sure to replace your grains with lots of fresh greens! (romaine, spinach, kale, etc) Pour a stir fry over a bed of greens instead of rice, things like that. If you replace your grains with an equal amount of greens you will feel a huge lift in your energy levels and well being. :)




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