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#21 no_hope

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:30 PM

ic ya upstate new york would be alot closer. so from what i understand your gonna go for laser soon after the subcision heals? are your boxscars deep or shallow?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:34 PM

im going in for laviv aug 10th then after that it will be the laser then laviv again..i have deep boxscars

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:32 PM

nice. i take it that u can no longer see your results form the first laviv since you just had subcision correct?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:51 PM

exactly

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 06:59 PM

updates? hows it going so far? this is a important thread for people to keep there eye on. laviv seems promising....

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:47 PM

its day 11 my bruising is mostly gone but i still have some swelling so i think the final verdict will come in a week when all the swelling subsides..the scar improvments i'd say is in the 35-50% range currently which is def more than what i have expected but i dont want to get too excited yet...i will update u guys in a week from now when all microswelling dissipates..

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

good to hear. will be looking forward for your update.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:36 AM

Why is it not a one off treatment like recell? How many sessions and How much it is costing you ?

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:09 PM

i am not exactly sure but my guess would be that multiple treatments of laviv would be required so that a sufficient amount of fibroblasts/proteins is placed back into the area to fill the deficit, heal the scarred area and ensure that it will be long-lasting..im having 3 sessions of laviv done and the total cost of my treatments is 5k

update: so far i see a 20-30% improvement overall from 1 subcision and 1 laviv...the skin texture looks a bit better but i have a lot of redness in my scars still so im hoping the laser will help alot with that..my pitted scars seem shallower too..i still have 2 lavivs and a co2 fractional laser left so i will keep u guys updated!

Edited by waitingforacure, 23 July 2012 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:33 PM

i am not exactly sure but my guess would be that multiple treatments of laviv would be required so that a sufficient amount of fibroblasts/proteins is placed back into the area to fill the deficit, heal the scarred area and ensure that it will be long-lasting..im having 3 sessions of laviv done and the total cost of my treatments is 5k

update: so far i see a 20-30% improvement overall from 1 subcision and 1 laviv...the skin texture looks a bit better but i have a lot of redness in my scars still so im hoping the laser will help alot with that..my pitted scars seem shallower too..i still have 2 lavivs and a co2 fractional laser left so i will keep u guys updated!


So excited for you!

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:27 PM


i am not exactly sure but my guess would be that multiple treatments of laviv would be required so that a sufficient amount of fibroblasts/proteins is placed back into the area to fill the deficit, heal the scarred area and ensure that it will be long-lasting..im having 3 sessions of laviv done and the total cost of my treatments is 5k

update: so far i see a 20-30% improvement overall from 1 subcision and 1 laviv...the skin texture looks a bit better but i have a lot of redness in my scars still so im hoping the laser will help alot with that..my pitted scars seem shallower too..i still have 2 lavivs and a co2 fractional laser left so i will keep u guys updated!


So excited for you!

i am not exactly sure but my guess would be that multiple treatments of laviv would be required so that a sufficient amount of fibroblasts/proteins is placed back into the area to fill the deficit, heal the scarred area and ensure that it will be long-lasting..im having 3 sessions of laviv done and the total cost of my treatments is 5k

update: so far i see a 20-30% improvement overall from 1 subcision and 1 laviv...the skin texture looks a bit better but i have a lot of redness in my scars still so im hoping the laser will help alot with that..my pitted scars seem shallower too..i still have 2 lavivs and a co2 fractional laser left so i will keep u guys updated!


What do you think about something like LaViv for shallow ice pick scarring now that you have gotten the LaViv treatment yourself, Waitingforacure?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:31 AM

i think for shallow ice pick scarring either subcision or laviv will help u greatly. subcision would be cheaper and quicker tho. i still have 2 more rounds of laviv so the final verdict is still a few months away...

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:20 PM

wouldnt the co2 laser interfere with your laviv/subcision results? v beam is great for redness if you have redness in your scars. a PS told me subcision wouldnt have a good effect on ice pick/ box scarring. what you think of that?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

i think for shallow ice pick scarring either subcision or laviv will help u greatly. subcision would be cheaper and quicker tho. i still have 2 more rounds of laviv so the final verdict is still a few months away...


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

wouldnt the co2 laser interfere with your laviv/subcision results? v beam is great for redness if you have redness in your scars. a PS told me subcision wouldnt have a good effect on ice pick/ box scarring. what you think of that?


I had a plastic surgeon tell me the same thing about 2 weeks ago. After talking with him a bit more about my desire for a multi-modality approach to treatment, he admitted that he's never done subcision. He then asked me how I found his clinic, and I mentioned RealSelf. In response, he referred me to a dermatologist who he said would be more experienced with surgical treatment of scars, as well as laser. The dermatologist was a med school friend of his. I think he sensed my skepticism over whether Total FX alone could provide me the benefits that I was after, and became concerned when he realized I was active on the Internet. I also mentioned to him that I would be doing Total FX for the next 3-5 years at this rate because no one is willing be aggressive with my skin (he was also unwilling). In response, he said, "to be honest, that's what keeps my MediSpa in business."

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

my doctor stated that the laser will reduce the redness and improve the texture of my scars...he never really mentioned that it will raise or improve the depth but i assume it will help some...he also mentioned that it will be a straightforward procedure with very quick recovery time of 2/3 days..
i heard about the vbeam and i think the co2 fractional is safer and more effective...isnt the vbeam non fractional? therefore a longer healing time? idk
i stated this already i think and I deeply belive that subcision will help improve any depressed scar!! icepick, rolling, boxscar etc...

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:07 PM

I agree with waitingforacure. I believe subcision, followed by laser, is the answer for my depressed scars. Finding an experienced doctor who is confident & willing to do a multi-modality treatment plan is incredibly difficult. I have another consultation tomorrow at 1:30 pm with a dermatologist who is experienced with and offers subcision, excision, TCA Cross, Total FX, Fraxel Repair, Pixel, & permanent fillers for treatment of acne scars. I think his approach is quite rare, so I am hoping for the best.

Best of luck to you, waitingforacure. It sounds like you're in good hands.

Edited by TokyoGirl, 24 July 2012 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

Maybe that's why the results from clinical trials and studies with laser always look so good. Those doctors aren't worried about having the patient come back for more and more treatments ($$$) so they are more aggressive. Hmmm.....

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:12 PM


wouldnt the co2 laser interfere with your laviv/subcision results? v beam is great for redness if you have redness in your scars. a PS told me subcision wouldnt have a good effect on ice pick/ box scarring. what you think of that?


I had a plastic surgeon tell me the same thing about 2 weeks ago. After talking with him a bit more about my desire for a multi-modality approach to treatment, he admitted that he's never done subcision. He then asked me how I found his clinic, and I mentioned RealSelf. In response, he referred me to a dermatologist who he said would be more experienced with surgical treatment of scars, as well as laser. The dermatologist was a med school friend of his. I think he sensed my skepticism over whether Total FX alone could provide me the benefits that I was after, and became concerned when he realized I was active on the Internet. I also mentioned to him that I would be doing Total FX for the next 3-5 years at this rate because no one is willing be aggressive with my skin (he was also unwilling). In response, he said, "to be honest, that's what keeps my MediSpa in business."

thats ironic the PS asked me the same thing '' how did i find out about him'' i replied the same answer, on real self . ofcourse hes gonna convince you to do laser thats what many of them do so they could finance there medspa or what ever. your also right, its extremley difficult to find a doc that is skilled in subcision, excision and so on, the ps said he could only excise one of my ice picks which i think is complete bullshit as i belive all of them can be excisied and he mentioned using the punch method which i dont want. i want scalpel excision. my hopes are being shut down fast. now in canada there recommending e matrix for ice pick/ box scars since its new to them. i have to be very picky since im using my savings for these prcedures and im far from being rich so i have to choose one path instead of multiple. who knows maybe the answer lies in europe with recelll. canada is good for nothing when it comes to acne scarring procedures.** sigh**

my doctor stated that the laser will reduce the redness and improve the texture of my scars...he never really mentioned that it will raise or improve the depth but i assume it will help some...he also mentioned that it will be a straightforward procedure with very quick recovery time of 2/3 days..
i heard about the vbeam and i think the co2 fractional is safer and more effective...isnt the vbeam non fractional? therefore a longer healing time? idk
i stated this already i think and I deeply belive that subcision will help improve any depressed scar!! icepick, rolling, boxscar etc...

no dude im telling you v beam is the best for redness. i had it done on my scars that had hyperpigmentation post accutane and it got rid of it. there isnt a long healing time v beam isnt ablative its strictly meant for pigment issues. i highly belive co2 is gonna ruin your results. id be really carefull if i was you , you dont wnana mess up decent results you paid alot for.

also the fact laviv is basically isologen but revived doesnt that worry you? i know your aware so im just curious. good luck!




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