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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:41 PM

I just ate fruit for about two weeks to see if I would break out, and I broke out the whole time with small whiteheads all over my face. But the thing is, I only ate low glycemic load fruit. And before that, I have been eating a very low glycemic load diet for like 4 months with no reduction in oil. So I don't think insulin resistance is causing my acne or oil. So why does fruit break me out? Could it be candida? Or my circadian cycle? Is there something wrong with my gut flora?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

sounds like the normal stages of detox, fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:44 PM

fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


Eh... where did you got that? Sugar is sugar and all sugar increases blood sugar levels. When I was on my crazy high-fruit raw food diet I sometimes hit almost diabetic blood sugar levels, even when I didn't eat that many fruits in a meal.

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:33 AM

sounds like the normal stages of detox, fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


I don't think it's detox...before I added fruit to my diet I was at a consistent state of only a few inflammed pimples at a time. I didn't get the little whiteheads until I started eating fruit. What did you mean by detox? Like fruit makes my body remove toxins?

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.


I limit sugar and avoid grains, which makes my diet low carb, so I had to go high fat for some calories. I don't know exactly what qualifies as paleo, but most of my diet consists of chicken, fish, peanut butter, nuts, beans, and vegetables. I've heard that fat can cause insulin resistance, but I heard it from that crazy banana guy on youtube, so I don't know if it's true. I tried a low fat diet for only a week, and during that week I had to eat a lot of carbs to maintain my weight. A lot of those carbs came from fruit, which broke me out. So on my low fat diet I had trouble getting enough calories, and I was breaking out worse than I do on a high fat diet. I know I only tried it for a week, but it just didn't feel right.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 05:09 AM

Yeah, I would take what those loonies say with a huge heaping of salt. But in this case he's at least partially correct. I've seen a lot of studies on this, and they show somewhat conflicting results. But from all the studies I've seen I got the impression that fats do cause insulin resistance.

A few days back I even found a study that shows how it happens. Fats in the blood block the intake of glucose into the cells and also inhibit burning of sugar in the muscle cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pdf/972859.pdf

We can argue whether this is real insulin resistance or not, and how long it persists after one stops eating high-fat diet. But what matters is that while you have a lot of fats in the blood glucose intake is inhibited, which means high blood sugar levels after eating carbs.

Of course the crazy banana guy completely misses the fact that eating a lot of carbohydrates also causes high blood fat levels, as carbs are converted into fats in the liver. But we can't really expect him to see anything beyond his dogma :)

So my guess is that your problem is the combination of high-fat diet and eating carbohydrates.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:27 AM

If you consume more sugar than you cells can take in, damage happens. And you keep secreting insulin to try to get the sugar out of your bloodstream. And this is how insulin resistance starts.

Also, many people have issues metabolizing fructose. This can be improved.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:26 AM

fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


Eh... where did you got that? Sugar is sugar and all sugar increases blood sugar levels. When I was on my crazy high-fruit raw food diet I sometimes hit almost diabetic blood sugar levels, even when I didn't eat that many fruits in a meal.

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.






the fiber in fruit slows the absorption of sugar into the blood...it barely increases insulin


sounds like the normal stages of detox, fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


I don't think it's detox...before I added fruit to my diet I was at a consistent state of only a few inflammed pimples at a time. I didn't get the little whiteheads until I started eating fruit. What did you mean by detox? Like fruit makes my body remove toxins?



the fruit wasn't detoxing your body per say, it was the lack of things you werent eating that started to move the lymphatic system, fruits aid in this however, especially watermelon. if you get rid of mucus you essentially destroy the chance of a lot of acne, it takes time though, and a really good diet to do so...check out 80-10-10 by dr. douglas graham if you are interested.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:29 AM

Oh dear lord... Let's start by saying that anecdotes are not proof. Sugar is sugar is sugar. It matters not where it comes from. Yes, it's true that fiber slows down the absorption of sugar into the bloodstream, but it doesn't mean sugar from fruits has no to little effect on bloodsugar or insulin levels.

I would suggest you check out glycemic index for fruits. Most fruits fall to the medium to high categories (more to the medium). So they do increase your blood sugar levels, as do all the other carbohydrate foods also.

How high your blood sugars go depends on the health of your glucose metabolism. If you have no problems then your sugar levels remain at normal levels (probably below 120). But if you have insulin resistance then they can spike to much higher levels.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:52 AM

Oh dear lord... Let's start by saying that anecdotes are not proof. Sugar is sugar is sugar. It matters not where it comes from. Yes, it's true that fiber slows down the absorption of sugar into the bloodstream, but it doesn't mean sugar from fruits has no to little effect on bloodsugar or insulin levels.

I would suggest you check out glycemic index for fruits. Most fruits fall to the medium to high categories (more to the medium). So they do increase your blood sugar levels, as do all the other carbohydrate foods also.

How high your blood sugars go depends on the health of your glucose metabolism. If you have no problems then your sugar levels remain at normal levels (probably below 120). But if you have insulin resistance then they can spike to much higher levels.


Thanks for your opinion, but we will part ways from here on the subject, good luck!

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:31 PM

Yeah, I would take what those loonies say with a huge heaping of salt. But in this case he's at least partially correct. I've seen a lot of studies on this, and they show somewhat conflicting results. But from all the studies I've seen I got the impression that fats do cause insulin resistance.

A few days back I even found a study that shows how it happens. Fats in the blood block the intake of glucose into the cells and also inhibit burning of sugar in the muscle cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pdf/972859.pdf

We can argue whether this is real insulin resistance or not, and how long it persists after one stops eating high-fat diet. But what matters is that while you have a lot of fats in the blood glucose intake is inhibited, which means high blood sugar levels after eating carbs.

Of course the crazy banana guy completely misses the fact that eating a lot of carbohydrates also causes high blood fat levels, as carbs are converted into fats in the liver. But we can't really expect him to see anything beyond his dogma Posted Image

So my guess is that your problem is the combination of high-fat diet and eating carbohydrates.


So you don't think it could be something else besides insulin resistance? And you think I should eat a low fat diet? How much fat should I eat?

If you consume more sugar than you cells can take in, damage happens. And you keep secreting insulin to try to get the sugar out of your bloodstream. And this is how insulin resistance starts.

Also, many people have issues metabolizing fructose. This can be improved.


How do I know if I have insulin resistance or a problem metabolizing fructose?

the fruit wasn't detoxing your body per say, it was the lack of things you werent eating that started to move the lymphatic system, fruits aid in this however, especially watermelon. if you get rid of mucus you essentially destroy the chance of a lot of acne, it takes time though, and a really good diet to do so...check out 80-10-10 by dr. douglas graham if you are interested.


Well my diet was already healthy before I added fruit and I wasn't breaking out like that until I added fruit. I think the sugar in fruit is what breaks me out, so I don't think I would do well by eating 80% carbs. And I thought I should mention that both people in the videos said they don't have blood sugar spikes because they eat low fat diets.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:25 PM

fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


Eh... where did you got that? Sugar is sugar and all sugar increases blood sugar levels. When I was on my crazy high-fruit raw food diet I sometimes hit almost diabetic blood sugar levels, even when I didn't eat that many fruits in a meal.

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.


Fructose has a negligible effect on blood sugar.
But fruit isn't just fructose, it's a complex of glucose and fructose.

And 80/10/10 is a bad idea and unnatural. NEVER follow fad diets like 30Bad/801010 because they're all based on shaky and often incorrect science.



fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


Eh... where did you got that? Sugar is sugar and all sugar increases blood sugar levels. When I was on my crazy high-fruit raw food diet I sometimes hit almost diabetic blood sugar levels, even when I didn't eat that many fruits in a meal.

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.






the fiber in fruit slows the absorption of sugar into the blood...it barely increases insulin


sounds like the normal stages of detox, fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


I don't think it's detox...before I added fruit to my diet I was at a consistent state of only a few inflammed pimples at a time. I didn't get the little whiteheads until I started eating fruit. What did you mean by detox? Like fruit makes my body remove toxins?



the fruit wasn't detoxing your body per say, it was the lack of things you werent eating that started to move the lymphatic system, fruits aid in this however, especially watermelon. if you get rid of mucus you essentially destroy the chance of a lot of acne, it takes time though, and a really good diet to do so...check out 80-10-10 by dr. douglas graham if you are interested.


The video of Durianrider you posted is disturbing. That guy honestly doesn't look healthy and his face is extremely gaunt. I have no doubt he eats a lot, but he still looks malnourished.

Edited by chunkylard, 13 June 2012 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 02:06 PM


fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


Eh... where did you got that? Sugar is sugar and all sugar increases blood sugar levels. When I was on my crazy high-fruit raw food diet I sometimes hit almost diabetic blood sugar levels, even when I didn't eat that many fruits in a meal.

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.


Fructose has a negligible effect on blood sugar.
But fruit isn't just fructose, it's a complex of glucose and fructose.

And 80/10/10 is a bad idea and unnatural. NEVER follow fad diets like 30Bad/801010 because they're all based on shaky and often incorrect science.



fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


Eh... where did you got that? Sugar is sugar and all sugar increases blood sugar levels. When I was on my crazy high-fruit raw food diet I sometimes hit almost diabetic blood sugar levels, even when I didn't eat that many fruits in a meal.

To the OP. What's your other diet like? Are you on paleo or low-carb or other high-fat diet? High-fat diets can cause insulin resistance, and that's why, I think, people on low-carb diets get problems when they eat carbs.






the fiber in fruit slows the absorption of sugar into the blood...it barely increases insulin


sounds like the normal stages of detox, fruit sugar barely increases your blood sugar if at all....


I don't think it's detox...before I added fruit to my diet I was at a consistent state of only a few inflammed pimples at a time. I didn't get the little whiteheads until I started eating fruit. What did you mean by detox? Like fruit makes my body remove toxins?



the fruit wasn't detoxing your body per say, it was the lack of things you werent eating that started to move the lymphatic system, fruits aid in this however, especially watermelon. if you get rid of mucus you essentially destroy the chance of a lot of acne, it takes time though, and a really good diet to do so...check out 80-10-10 by dr. douglas graham if you are interested.


The video of Durianrider you posted is disturbing. That guy honestly doesn't look healthy and his face is extremely gaunt. I have no doubt he eats a lot, but he still looks malnourished.


which is why his levels all check out and he wins races across the world?

the guy trains with lance armstrong for crying out loud

Edited by bobbi364, 13 June 2012 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

So you don't think it could be something else besides insulin resistance? And you think I should eat a low fat diet? How much fat should I eat?


No, I'm not saying anything about low-fat diets. I don't think they are any better than high-fat diets. They are all based on really shaky evidence. Eat a balanced diet. I think a good place to start with is 50/30/20 (carbs/fats/protein) with emphasis on complex carbs and monounsaturated fats.

How do I know if I have insulin resistance or a problem metabolizing fructose?


You can measure your blood sugar levels after meals. It's not a perfect way, but it gives you an idea. A doctor can get you tested more extensively. To know for sure you should test blood glucose and insulin, but there are no home tests for insulin.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:01 AM

So you don't think it could be something else besides insulin resistance? And you think I should eat a low fat diet? How much fat should I eat?


No, I'm not saying anything about low-fat diets. I don't think they are any better than high-fat diets. They are all based on really shaky evidence. Eat a balanced diet. I think a good place to start with is 50/30/20 (carbs/fats/protein) with emphasis on complex carbs and monounsaturated fats.

How do I know if I have insulin resistance or a problem metabolizing fructose?


You can measure your blood sugar levels after meals. It's not a perfect way, but it gives you an idea. A doctor can get you tested more extensively. To know for sure you should test blood glucose and insulin, but there are no home tests for insulin.


Would that balanced diet eventually let me eat fruit without breaking out? My diet is already pretty balanced. It is about 50/35/15 (fat/protein/carbs). And after being on my diet for months, I still can't eat fruit without breaking out. Yea I guess I should get my blood sugar and insulin tested by a doctor to be sure.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:36 AM

I can't say anything about you specifically, but studies generally show that such balanced diet with emphasis on low GI carbs and healthy fats improves insulin resistance.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:32 AM

it sucks how insanely healthy fruits are suppose to be but we're not even allowed to eat them because of the sugar. seriously annoys me. everything that tastes good is often bad, and fruit being the next best thing is still bad. I did some research on watermelon and was blown away with what was in it definitely seems incredibly healthy..go to eat it and feel guilty coz of the sugar. its annoying how the vitamins and minerals cant out weigh the sugar.
i dont think i break out from sugar personally, I try not to eat bananas but i like to eat berriers and apples and watermelon because i dont know what else to eat anymore and theres so much good in apples and berriers and watermelon i somehow think they do more good than bad. whats the opinion on consumption. like if i ate 2 apples a day maybe a banana, half a watermelon..is that too much? enough to spike insulin? or are we talking like 5 bananas, 10 apples type thing?

yep pretty sure i have no idea what to eat anymore :/..still ha.
surely fruit helps our body function better than not eating does.
i hate feeling bad for eating fruit. considering its natural.

also why is fruit different metabolize wise? i know there are ways to aid that like i think lifestyle sleep/exercise and not eating anything else in the same meal as fruit but what are some tips with that? :)

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:15 AM

it sucks how insanely healthy fruits are suppose to be but we're not even allowed to eat them because of the sugar. seriously annoys me. everything that tastes good is often bad, and fruit being the next best thing is still bad. I did some research on watermelon and was blown away with what was in it definitely seems incredibly healthy..go to eat it and feel guilty coz of the sugar. its annoying how the vitamins and minerals cant out weigh the sugar.
i dont think i break out from sugar personally, I try not to eat bananas but i like to eat berriers and apples and watermelon because i dont know what else to eat anymore and theres so much good in apples and berriers and watermelon i somehow think they do more good than bad. whats the opinion on consumption. like if i ate 2 apples a day maybe a banana, half a watermelon..is that too much? enough to spike insulin? or are we talking like 5 bananas, 10 apples type thing?

yep pretty sure i have no idea what to eat anymore :/..still ha.
surely fruit helps our body function better than not eating does.
i hate feeling bad for eating fruit. considering its natural.

also why is fruit different metabolize wise? i know there are ways to aid that like i think lifestyle sleep/exercise and not eating anything else in the same meal as fruit but what are some tips with that? Posted Image


like i have sad before, fruit isnt bad, i gorge myself on fruit everyday, my colon is clean, my liver and kidneys function at top, and i no longer have mucus or acne, i am 100% clear. i usually eat around 3000 calories a day of just fruit, add a little greens in, hemp seeds for complete protein and coconut oil for some good fat.

Edited by bobbi364, 14 June 2012 - 08:15 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:41 AM

I can't say anything about you specifically, but studies generally show that such balanced diet with emphasis on low GI carbs and healthy fats improves insulin resistance.


Is there any other reason fruit would break me out besides insulin resistance? I still don't really think I have insulin resistance...

it sucks how insanely healthy fruits are suppose to be but we're not even allowed to eat them because of the sugar. seriously annoys me. everything that tastes good is often bad, and fruit being the next best thing is still bad. I did some research on watermelon and was blown away with what was in it definitely seems incredibly healthy..go to eat it and feel guilty coz of the sugar. its annoying how the vitamins and minerals cant out weigh the sugar.
i dont think i break out from sugar personally, I try not to eat bananas but i like to eat berriers and apples and watermelon because i dont know what else to eat anymore and theres so much good in apples and berriers and watermelon i somehow think they do more good than bad. whats the opinion on consumption. like if i ate 2 apples a day maybe a banana, half a watermelon..is that too much? enough to spike insulin? or are we talking like 5 bananas, 10 apples type thing?

yep pretty sure i have no idea what to eat anymore :/..still ha.
surely fruit helps our body function better than not eating does.
i hate feeling bad for eating fruit. considering its natural.

also why is fruit different metabolize wise? i know there are ways to aid that like i think lifestyle sleep/exercise and not eating anything else in the same meal as fruit but what are some tips with that? Posted Image


Yea I know. All I wanted to do was add some healthy carbs and energy into my diet and I get rewarded with pimples all over my face. If you want to know the glycemic impact of each food, you can look it up here: http://nutritiondata.self.com/ Just search for a food and it will say everything about it, including its estimated glycemic load. It says 1 medium banana has a glycemic load of 10, so 2 bananas would have a glycemic load of 20, which is starting to get high.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 12:21 PM


If you consume more sugar than you cells can take in, damage happens. And you keep secreting insulin to try to get the sugar out of your bloodstream. And this is how insulin resistance starts.

Also, many people have issues metabolizing fructose. This can be improved.


How do I know if I have insulin resistance or a problem metabolizing fructose?


I thought you already told us you weren't insulin resistant?

And that you break out from fruit might be a clue that you have issues metabolizing it. It is processed differently from other sugars. They are not all the same.

Info on improving fructose metabolism: http://www.acne.org/...out-from-fruit/

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:17 PM

It's way too simplistic to say that fruit is bad to eat because of the sugar content. I know some low-carb authors and bloggers like to say that, but it's not true. Fruit has always been healthy food and remains to be so. It just depends on how your body handles carbohydrates, or fructose as alternativista mentioned.

Why not get a blood glucose monitor. You can get them for $20 from Amazon. Measure your blood glucose levels after eating fruit. If you get high readings then you probably have a problem with insulin resistance or glucose tolerance. Frankly, it doesn't matter whether you think you have insulin resistance or not. It matters what happens to your blood glucose levels after eating fruits (or other carbs for that matter).