Spiro, Epiduo And Minocyclin
#1
Posted 10 June 2012 - 11:35 PM
#2
Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:01 AM
Growing up I was always taking care of my skin, didn't really obsess with it, i was just aware.. thanks mom (insert sarcasm) I used noxema, clean and clear gel wash, maybe some BP and clindamycin on my nose for the whiteheads. Oh and I did that Queen helene mint mask alot. Now that I think about it I don't know why i was even on that regimen because like i said I never had a big acne problem. I guess from an early age I realized that i wanted nice skin and in order to have it you have to maintain it. Anyway it wasn't until my mid 20's when acne started becoming an ''issue'' for me. I would break out more than usual, and it was always on my cheeks sometimes my chin but mostly cheeks. And I can't say when I became aware that my skin was oily. Alls I can say is that I was never as oily as I am now. It's a little better now thanks to the saw Palmetto I've been taking for the past month. Anyway i started drinking in a big way when I was 19 and my heavy drinking continued throughout my mid 20's. I went through some years where I would drink for the most part, all day. I couldn't go out without having a few cups of Vodka, beer at least. I would drink a pint sometimes more of Vodka just to go to bed. During those years, in my early- mid 20's along with a alcohol habit/problem I acquired unhealthy eating habits. I mean who could blame me, I was on my own, had no money , no car, no job. I ate crap because it was cheap and I had no ''real'' home of my own to settle into. So my meals consisted of fast food dollar menus and alcohol. I remember some days when I was absolutely broke , I would rumble around on my bedroom floor trying to find any kind of change JUST so I could buy myself a 40 oz beer to calm my hungry stomach. I was pretty broke. lol.
Anyway to make a long story short. The majority of my problems started because of the alcohol/unhealthy lifestyle. I'm pretty convinced.
I haven't mentioned it but growing up I never had weight issues. I'm tall , well these days it would be considered average (5'9) I was always a skinny kid. As a matter of fact when I was 9/10 yrs old the docs had to prescribe vitamins and put me on protein shakes JUST so I could gain weight, I was that skinny. Well all of that has changed. My weight started fluctuating in my mid 20's .....it's all been a downward spiral since then. I would go on ''diets'' for a week or two then go back to eating like crap. During one of my health phases I actually managed to cut all the crap outta my life, including alcohol. I got rid of it all cold turkey. To this day I don't know how I did it , especially since the drinking was outta control. I think I got mad at myself and at my ''friends'' who would make stupid comments about me being fat and having a disgusting beer get ( yeah , I drank THAT much) Anyway I lost about 30 -40 pounds , all within a 2 month span. It was ridiculous. I worked out for 2 hours a day, 7 days a week. I ate only salads and dry salads at that. I became a freak about whatever I put in my mouth. I lost the the fat ,and everyone still talked about my weight. It happened so dramatically and so fast that this time around everyone was convinced that i was on drugs. I wasn't happy with myself . I didn't feel any better then before. What I felt was deprived and burnt out. And I was only 23/24 years old. So one day I just started living the s**ty lifestyle again and that was that.
I've managed to leave alcohol behind but the crap I put in my mouth, not so much. To be honest i think I'm still dealing with the damage the alcohol left behind. It made my depression and anxiety worse. I know that for a fact, i thought I was having an anxiety attack once , so I went to the doctor and demanded he give me pills to tranquilize me. It was that bad. The doctor checked me out , looked through my history and said ''i hate to tell you but your not having an anxiety attack that's stress related, its called alcohol withdrawal and on another note , if you continue to drink the way you are, your liver will be gone by the time your 30''
Anyway like i said the alcohol is no longer an issue in my life but my bad eating habits are. My hormones have suffered from all the crap I've put my body through . All the roller coaster diets and weight changes my body has gone through have taken a toll on me. I was classified as having PCOS ( thanks to all the fast food and weight on my body) I now have irregular periods and some minor facial hair on my chin
For the past 4 or so years maybe 5 my acne has been moderate to horrible. I wouldn't say severe but it's had it's moments. I've taken antibiotics for it. Done the BP, salicylic acid , washes and topicals, Used name brand products and store brand, and no success. The one time I can did manage to stop breaking out (for about 4 months) , I was using all store brand products, mostly neutrogena. I don't know what happened but my skin must have gotten used to it because I started breaking out again. These past two years have been the roughest. My breakouts have been constant/consistently and for a while i was even getting cystic type acne,mostly on my chin. I have never broken out on my chin the way i did like 3/4 months ago. The acne has again mostly been on my cheeks and jawline . I know its because I'm now obsessed with my skin but its probably not as bad as I think. I think it looks alot worse because of the marks/hyper-pigmentaion. I'm hispanic and I scar easily. I have never picked my face but still the marks are there and they won't budge. And it's weird because I've had the biggest problem with the right side of my face , so thats the worse side. It wasn't until about a month ago when i decided to get a peel that I got the worst breakout ever on my left side. So now I'm lucky to have insurance through my job, I can finally get some medications for my skin. We'll see how this journey goes. Sorry for the long story, just wanted to give some as to how I got here. I'll try to be consistent with my log
Edited by jaydeec, 11 June 2012 - 01:04 AM.
#3
Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:50 AM
Edited by Green Gables, 12 June 2012 - 11:51 AM.
#4
Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:48 PM
Regimen: (morning) wash my face with La Roche posay Effaclar foaming face wash
Apply Effaclar K (contains 1.5% Salicylic acid and 0.3 % micro exfoliating LHA along with 0.05% Retinyl Linoleate) to my cheek, jaw area
Benzoyl Peroxide on any inflamed pimples ( to dry them out)
Tone with Neutrogena Clear Pore astringent..but I will be going back to Apple Cider Vinegar w/water to tone. The Neutrogena toner has to much alcohol in it, I can smell it. Ugh!
(Night) Wash with Effaclar foaming face wash
Mud mask - I was using a clay mask from Holy Mud mask company but ran out. Lately its been a Queen Helene mint mask imitation from CVS. Or I do a tumeric and honey mask sometimes.
After the mask I use Epiduo on my chin, cheeks and jaw. No forehead, since I never break out there.
FYI: I do alot of masks, not sure if its a good thing. I started doing them routinely every night because i like the way my skin feel afterwards and the calmness I get when I do them( I just lounge around for hours with a mask on my face). I'm gonna cut down on them to see if this helps. I think I may be over drying my skin, although I don't feel any dryness because of them yet.
Edited by jaydeec, 18 June 2012 - 11:21 PM.
#5
Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:47 AM
What I've noticed about my skin since being on my regmen: my skin is less oily, like 75 % less oily. I still take the SP but not as much , I only do 1 cap a day now. Its nice not to have to spend all this money buying tons of blotting paper. I would go thru1 7/8 pieces of blotting paper a day. The Epiduo is just now making my skin dry. I think it's because i'm using a lil more the a peace size amount for my T-zone ( i should say mostly cheeks , jaw and chin area) or maybe it's because in the morning I'm using the Effaclar K which does have salicylic, LHA and retinyl. Maybe its overload. I should probably only use the Epiduo at night but i'm so paranoid about breaking out. I like to feel like i have something topical on my face 24/7 to help with the breakouts. I broke out last week maybe about 3 times but those are drying out. I got a couple more on my right side cheek, one that popped up a day or two ago and another one that mysteriously popped up today. It wasn't there this morning ( don't you just love that shit). I get home wash my face and ...voilaaaaaaa, there's a new zit. Ugh. But its funny cause I can't tell if it's a new pimple or an old one thats making a return or a new one right next to an old one. Whatever, a zit's a zit. Emotionally my face hasn't taken a toll on me, at least not for quite some time. I'm not gonna lie, there are moments when I look at my face and I just hate it and I get sad, and feel like this s**t is never gonna end. But I try to block it out and not dwell on it. Just like other people have said though, I am now obsessed with my face breaking out. I go out and i'm always looking at all these girls with nice skin thinking ''must be nice, wish I had nice skin like that''. It's almost as If i'm targeting everyone with nice skin so I can compare my face to theirs. Its pretty damn sad and pathetic. I never thought I 'd be worrying about skin issues at my age and certainly not self esteem issues. It's like I go to sleep thinking about my face and when I wake up and look in the mirror I am reminded of it throughout the day. And it's not like my acne is as severe as others or like i break out every single day but i am hispanic and tan so I do get hyperpigmentation with every single bump and scratch.
Maybe thats what makes it look worse then it really is. But despite my slight self esteem issues, I do take the time to remind myself everyday that it could be worse and that I do have many things to be grateful for. Maybe this is why emotionally I'm okay for the most part, because I know that even though people judge mostly based on our ''exterior'' there is so much more to life and us then what people can see. Beauty really is skin deep and if you take care of your soul and spirit and are a genuine good person then thats all that matters.
Edited by jaydeec, 26 June 2012 - 12:47 AM.
#6
Posted 01 July 2012 - 04:13 AM
#7
Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:32 PM
Another irritating response from a doctor. First it was with the derm who I saw almost a month ago. He had me wait over an hr to see him only to have a ''consultation'' with me for 5 minutes..if that. He never asked what I've tried, topically or internally. Never asked what worked. I had to offer up all that info..which is fine. But as a doctor shouldn't you be the one asking all the questions, especially with a new patient. Not only that he was old as dirt, which doesn't affect his credentials but it sure does make him outdated in terms of how to handle young patients, and female at that. I told him that antibiotics never worked for me in the past and what does he do, he prescribes minocyclin x:( Needless to say I left that appt with a bad taste in my mouth .
Now I have this doctor telling me i won"t see drastic changes, which I know varies from person to person but from what I've read there has been great success with this medication. So I guess what irritates me is the fact that he sure does not seem to think that the medication he prescribed for me for my acne will do jack for me...so then why prescribe that s**t to me in the first place. As a doctor if your gonna prescribe something to a patient ,I'm assuming you stand by it and know of all the studies done with this medication and how patients have reacted. But thats JMO. Then he says ''this medication can be prescribed up to 100 mg, which I know is not true because many women on this forum are taking dosages beyond that. I'm just fed up with these doctors who are so called ''specialists'' ! I feel like a know a hell of alot more about skin issues/diseases then they do. Thats my rant for today
#8
Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:41 PM
#9
Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:06 AM
I totally know how you feel! When I started getting acne again this year (I hadn't had bad acne since high school), I had to go to a new derm because I had moved to a new city. Like your derm, he was an older guy and didn't really ask me anything about my past treatments/what had worked/etc. I explained to him that my acne is hormonal and that I had been on about 6 antibiotics for acne in the past and none of them worked. Only Spiro ever works for me. And what did he do? He said "I doubt that Spiro alone cured your acne" and prescribed me Doxycycline. Needless to say, the Doxy did absolutely nothing for me, and I found a new derm (actually an accutane specialist) who got me back on Spiro. So now I've been on spiro for two months and it's sloooowly starting to work. It's a little frustrating because in the past it worked for me within a couple weeks. Oh well. I started out on 25mg/day, and increased to 100mg/day two weeks ago so we'll see if that does the trick. What dose are you taking now? I've definitely heard of women on here taking up to 200mg/day.
i'm taking 50 mg. And as of now it's not even doing anything for my oily skin. It may be decreasing it a bit but I feel as if i had better results in term of my oiliness with Saw Palmetto. its so gross, I washed my face tonight and 30 minutes later I could see glistening specks forming on my cheeks and forehead, the oil was already forming. Do u experience bloating? How bad is it? i feel like it's to early to tell if it's gonna work for me so I wanna keep taking it . I know I most likely need a higher dosage but I'm afraid the bloating will get worse.
#10
Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:39 PM
#11
Posted 05 July 2012 - 03:52 PM
No birth control. I'm gonna stop taking it for 3 days to see what happens in terms of my bloating and stomach discomfort. I didn't take it yesterday and i'm not taking it today and tomorrow. My stomach felt shitty yesterday even though I hadn't taken the pill. Woke up bloaty a little when I ate breakfast.p it got worse, had cramp type discomfort all day along with bloating, took aleve did nothing. Did a hot compress at night helped to ease the pain. I was thinking maybe I should wait till i see the derm on monday but idkYeah, definitely keep taking it. From the reviews other people have done on Spiro in here, it seems like it takes several months before it actually starts working really well. Four months seems to be the lucky number. I haven't had any bloating with Spiro... just some dizziness when I first increased to 100 mg and I pee A LOT. Are ou on birth control? I'm on Lo Loestrin Fe right now and it's totally fine (low amount of hormones), but when I was on any other kind of birth control pill in the past I got horribly bloated.
Edited by jaydeec, 05 July 2012 - 03:52 PM.
#12
Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:41 PM
I'm not sure what to do anymore, except keep taking the fiber, increase my water intake and eat soups mostly. Maybe the solid food is whats making it worse, idk. Anyone suffer from constipation while on Spiro or when they stopped taking it? and if so what helped?
Oh I went to the derm today, a new one. Its a women, she was way better and seemed in tune with what I was telling her. She listened and gave her advice, she has also been the only Dr to tell me that my testosterone is high. I knew I had an abnormal hormone test but wasn't sure which one. She said the Spiro would definately help me out since I have a hormonal imbalance and suffer from acne. she thinks i should stay on it, she doesn't think the spiro is the cause of my gastrointestinal issues since i've been off the Spiro for almost a week and continue to have discomfort. She wants me to wait at least 2 weeks until my stomach issues go away and then she suggests only taking 25 mg. She told me another patient of hers has seen great results with 25mg's
Oh and i got a new prescription , topical clindamycin. I've done that before, clindagel I think it was. She wants me to apply it morning and night but only on the zits themselves and not on the entire face. She says the clindamycin and epiduo should take care of my 24/7 topically while i wait for my stomach to get better :/. So I'm happy my skin is looking better but I'm getting stressed cause my stomach is all messed up does'"t seem to be getting better.
#13
Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:57 AM
Edited by Green Gables, 11 July 2012 - 09:57 AM.
#14
Posted 15 July 2012 - 03:42 AM
Yes they were checked about a week ago and all is good with regards to that. I think I am just now starting to recover from all my stomach issues, my new derm doesn't seem to think the Spiro is causing my stomach issues. I've been of it for about a week now. She wants me to hold off for about a couple weeks until my stomach issues resolve and then continue taking it but at 25mg, she thinks this will help me out since my skin seemed to be doing well on 50 mg. She says my body probably only needs 25. She has another patient who completely cleared up on 25 as wellDon't mess with a good thing...stay on the spiro. The only thing you need to worry about is getting your potassium level checked every couple months when on it. Spiro is potassium-sparing, meaning you need to be careful of eating too much potassium. Is your derm checking those levels?
skin update: I'm still pretty clear
As for my stomach: I seem to be slowly getting better, not so constipated anymore. Having more ''normal'' BM's. They're not like before but getting better, weird thing to say, I know. lol. I did get my period normally this month, so i had some cramping with that, I expected it. BUT with all the crap my stomach's been going through, kt only made everything worse. But the pain is minor now. Mostly alot of grumbling, gas , etc. I did go to a regular doc for it, he had me take blood tests just to make sure i didn't have an infection. All is okay as far as that goes, negative on the infection. He also suggested I wait to go back on the spiro. He did mention IBS, which I had also suspected. Although I doubt I have IBS , there are other common symptoms that go with it that I do not have. I don't know what's up , maybe it's my poor eating habits catching up with me, Oh i've stopped taking my vitamins for about 3 days now. I wanted to completely stop ingesting anything to see what was causing my stomach issues. The derm told me to watch for the niacin in the B-complex I was taking ( I doubt that had anything to do with anything). I have now added fiber to my diet (3 days taking it) and my mom brought over some colon cleansing herbal pills ( senna, fennel, licorice) and some other stuff I can't think of right now. The Dr prescribed some pepcid , since i mentioned to him that I seemed to be having trouble digesting my food because of how bloated i felt, and he also prescribed colace. Not taking the colace right now though since I don't really need it at the moment.
I'm happy that i'm healing. I feel 50% better then I did a week ago. I go to Catalina this week ( 3 days) and I can enjoy it now since i'm not in so much pain, almost no pain. I'm so looking forward to this trip...you guys have no idea. Can't wait to leave it all behind, if only for 3 days.
#15
Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:59 PM
Edited by jaydeec, 22 July 2012 - 04:01 PM.
#16
Posted 23 July 2012 - 04:47 PM
#17
Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:55 AM
Hang in there. I love spiro. Do you eat a lot of dairy and sugar? I had on and off stomach problems with both. This article also explains how both stimulate acne: http://www.huffingto...a_b_822163.html
I sure do..I eat like crap so that could also be another reason why my stomach is spazzing out. What kind of stomach issues did you have. Since I've gone back on it I've been constipated.....and the times that I have had a BM I've struggled, sorry. lol
#18
Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:21 AM
Hang in there. I love spiro. Do you eat a lot of dairy and sugar? I had on and off stomach problems with both. This article also explains how both stimulate acne: http://www.huffingto...a_b_822163.html
I sure do..I eat like crap so that could also be another reason why my stomach is spazzing out. What kind of stomach issues did you have. Since I've gone back on it I've been constipated.....and the times that I have had a BM I've struggled, sorry. lol
When I ate dairy regularly I was always bloated and exhausted after a meal. Felt sluggish.
#19
Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:46 PM
I rarely eat dairy, at least not by itself. I'll have cheese with a sandwich or whatever, but I stopped drinking milk a while ago (although I did drink milk this morning) i eat yogurt every once in a blue moon. I know its the Spiro that started all my stomach issues, that and maybe my poor eating habits have finally caught up with me , with my digestive system that is.
Hang in there. I love spiro. Do you eat a lot of dairy and sugar? I had on and off stomach problems with both. This article also explains how both stimulate acne: http://www.huffingto...a_b_822163.html
I sure do..I eat like crap so that could also be another reason why my stomach is spazzing out. What kind of stomach issues did you have. Since I've gone back on it I've been constipated.....and the times that I have had a BM I've struggled, sorry. lol
When I ate dairy regularly I was always bloated and exhausted after a meal. Felt sluggish.
Hmmm let's see. I got a cyst like zit on my left side by my jaw. Haven"t gotten one in a while, oh and an older one on my right side is popping up again
Edited by jaydeec, 27 July 2012 - 09:51 PM.
#20
Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:18 PM
So as of right now I have 6 active zits, 2 which are cysts. And what looks like 3 more forming. My right side is the worse , I hate looking at my skin , I only see the damage and hyper-pigmentation that looks as if it will NEVER dissappear. I almost wish I would have never stopped taking the Spiro, cause then I would have never started breaking out again, I'd be clear. it's been two weeks now i think since i started taking it again, lets see how long it takes for me to clear up.
I've gone from applying the Clindamycin gel 2x's a day to 1x's a day (morning) only. So now I wash my face with Effaclar foaming wash and apply the gel, at night I wash with the Effaclar and apply the Epiduo, thats it. Pretty simple right. I don't take the supplements anymore, although I'm gonna start again today. Oh and i do a mask everyday. i was doing a peet mask by Lumene, but now I'm doing that tomato mask , you can get it at CVS, its supposedly organic. I'm not buying it though cause that mask is too fragranced, it smells almost perfume like. I can't stand that smell, but I feel as if masks keep my skin soft and calm. I think today I'll do a honey and tumeric mask.
Oh and might I add that I seem to be tolerating the Spiro alot better this time around. I take it at night now before bedtime as my derm suggested. I don't feel the cramping really, only slightly. I don't feel bloated really and my BM's are slowly go back to normal, still slightly constipated but it's getting better. Maybe my body is getting used to the medication. I'm not experiencing any other side effects that many of the girls on here seem to be dealing with, thank god.
Edited by jaydeec, 01 August 2012 - 02:22 PM.
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