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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:31 AM

I will try to scrape some money together and afford that supplement. Now will be a good time to get it because I just checked the website and saw that shipping is a little cheaper since it's winter and they don't need to ship it on ice.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:36 AM



I think we should avoid legumes, seeds, nuts, and grains forever really. They only cause more harm than good! And too many fats mixed with sugar is a problem!

http://paleohacks.co...s#axzz2DXkb1500


What you say is very true!! Though, everybody, keep in mind- fats are actually great for us!! And I'm talking of course, about olive and coconut oils, avocados, the fat from grass fed animals and wild caught salmon, ghee, grass fed butter, etc. These things are essentially and only ever become a problem when consumed with the enemy: refined carbohydrates, which are high in sugar and GMO grain. This evil grain is actually what is contributing to the cardiovascular disease epidemic, not, as we traditionally thought, 'cholesterol.'

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

I'm eating two meals a day with a plate piled with vegetables. I eat a salad and a cooked vegetable dish each meal, with half the plate being fermented foods and at least a quarter of an onion, multiple cloves of garlic and leeks occasionally too. So basically, keep doing what I'm doing, I guess. Something just doesn't seem right.

Is it possible to get too much of one type of bacteria and not enough of another? That's the only thing I can think that may be wrong. From what I've read, there aren't certain strains of bacteria in some of the fermented foods and I would need a probiotic to get those (acidopholis is one, sorry can't spell that). I can't afford the supplement I need at this time, though.


YES! It is very possible to get too much of one bacteria, and I meant to message you back (remember, I sent you a message about having the same problem with the probiotic). Someone on this site made a really great post about something called 'gut dysbiosis' which I had never heard of before. Basically, it means that sometimes, even the good bacterias in our gut can overcolonize, and the ratio can be thrown off, creating even more problems. In fact, certain foods feed these bacteria, and according to the gut dysbiosis theory, we have to use the process of elimination in our diet to figure out which type of bacteria is overpopulated and causing problems. Nevertheless though, probiotics SHOULD be an essential part of healing the problem, but only when we have figured out which strain is out of whack. I am so relieved to have found this information and I will link the post that we have been discussing it on:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php/topic/323290-carbs-causing-acneeven-if-paleo/page__st__20

Scroll down about half way through the page.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:50 PM




I think we should avoid legumes, seeds, nuts, and grains forever really. They only cause more harm than good! And too many fats mixed with sugar is a problem!

http://paleohacks.co...s#axzz2DXkb1500


What you say is very true!! Though, everybody, keep in mind- fats are actually great for us!! And I'm talking of course, about olive and coconut oils, avocados, the fat from grass fed animals and wild caught salmon, ghee, grass fed butter, etc. These things are essentially and only ever become a problem when consumed with the enemy: refined carbohydrates, which are high in sugar and GMO grain. This evil grain is actually what is contributing to the cardiovascular disease epidemic, not, as we traditionally thought, 'cholesterol.'


I'm eating two meals a day with a plate piled with vegetables. I eat a salad and a cooked vegetable dish each meal, with half the plate being fermented foods and at least a quarter of an onion, multiple cloves of garlic and leeks occasionally too. So basically, keep doing what I'm doing, I guess. Something just doesn't seem right.

Is it possible to get too much of one type of bacteria and not enough of another? That's the only thing I can think that may be wrong. From what I've read, there aren't certain strains of bacteria in some of the fermented foods and I would need a probiotic to get those (acidopholis is one, sorry can't spell that). I can't afford the supplement I need at this time, though.


YES! It is very possible to get too much of one bacteria, and I meant to message you back (remember, I sent you a message about having the same problem with the probiotic). Someone on this site made a really great post about something called 'gut dysbiosis' which I had never heard of before. Basically, it means that sometimes, even the good bacterias in our gut can overcolonize, and the ratio can be thrown off, creating even more problems. In fact, certain foods feed these bacteria, and according to the gut dysbiosis theory, we have to use the process of elimination in our diet to figure out which type of bacteria is overpopulated and causing problems. Nevertheless though, probiotics SHOULD be an essential part of healing the problem, but only when we have figured out which strain is out of whack. I am so relieved to have found this information and I will link the post that we have been discussing it on:

http://www.acne.org/...eo/page__st__20

Scroll down about half way through the page.


Woot! great advice! I like to think that getting fat is important, cause I like it! So, mixing ghee with potatoes is good, and some healthy french fries! But we must keep our omega 3 balance. If we keep repopulating our guts we should be fixed in no time, as long candida is undercontrol. I don't show any signs of food intolerances except acne, so it's tough.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:20 PM

Okay so today I compulsively ate an entire heaping spoonful of kefir grains. Not sure if that was a good idea or not, lol. There are like 100 trillion bacterias in my tummy right now.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:24 PM

Update:

I've come to a conclusion that either:

1) I have such severe leaky gut that the basic treatment plan isn't enough for me or

2) Whatever this is, it isn't related to gut at all.

I don't feel 2 to be true. I've seen enough of an effect off and on from things I eat and probiotics that I know the gut is at least related. I also know from my history that it would be very unlikely for my leaky gut to NOT be one of the most severe cases in existence. So for that reason, I'm starting all over with this and doing the treatment plan for severe leaky gut. It goes farther than what Whitefox listed in the first post.

It's divided into three parts. Antimicrobials, diet, pro and prebiotics.

The diet is more basic and doesn't allow for fruits or any sweeteners like honey. This will be a big bummer for me, but I'm ready to do this 100%. It's the only way I can really know if leaky gut and candida overgrowth is at the root of my problem. So I will be giving up my beloved fruit smoothie for breakfast, in exchange for a protein and fat rich breakfast, probably 2-3 eggs and a low-starch cooked vegetable. Here is a list of non-starchy vegetables, which are allowed on the plan:

http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/non-starchy-vegetables.html

^Out of those, I'm going to choose the most low-carb and avoid carb-rich stuff like carrots for the first phase.

For a big portion of my nutrition, I'm going to be making green juices every day. This will probably be hard to stick to, but I want to try. I will use the pulp to make stock as I usually do, and throw in a bunch of low carb vegetables and maybe some turkey or something for soup. This way I can be getting plenty of liquids in my diet and loads of vitamins and minerals to make up for what I'm losing from the fruit. Hopefully this will help me with any of the die-off.

Dinners and lunches will be the same. Big salads, lots of healthy fat, organic sources of protein like beef or turkey. Avocados. TONS of fermented foods. TONS of onions and garlic.

For antimicrobial treatment, I'm hoping all the coconut oil/garlic that I eat, in combination with the sudden decrease in sugar, will be enough to get me ahead. If not, I will look into olive leaf or some other anti-candida stuff later on in treatment.

I'm basically addicted to my fruit smoothie, so this is going to be hard. But the fact that I crave it so strongly makes me think that my dying candida is basically begging for sugar and that is why I want it so badly every morning. As far as honey for my tea, I will probably only give this up for a few days and see how I react. It's a very small amount of honey, but I want to do this right, so we'll see. I'm going to start using raw honey when I add it back in.

For probiotics, I'm keeping the saurkraut, water kefir, kefir grains and kimchee. I am looking into a supplement that is both safe for me and that I can afford.

I'm starting this new plan tomorrow. I hope to stick to the no-fruit at least a week, hopefully that will be long enough to see some evidence that I'm on the right path. I'm posting a picture of how I woke up this morning, so you can see why I'm discouraged. :( This is basically my last attempt at this plan and I want to do it right. If this doesn't work and I still am covered in these swollen, painful blemishes, I am going to have no choice but to look back into topical treatments like BP. :( I really, really, really don't want that to happen. But I don't know what else to do.

I pray this works, for myself and all of us. My face hurts every time I talk or open my mouth to eat and I just can't live like this:

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:47 PM

The best thing I've done for my (assumed) leaky gut is to separate liquids and solids by 1-3 hours.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:29 PM

Thanks. I'm trying. I feel like I'm walking into a dead-end corner with eliminating more and more and more foods and never getting anywhere, but I guess this is just about as far as I can go and as much as I can eliminate before there is nothing left to cut out. I'm trying to stay positive. We shall see!

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

Dr. Cayce says :

Cayce frequently warned against eating when upset, angry or distressed, saying that due to the resulting physiological changes in the body, food would remain undigested and become toxic to the system. Cayce also spoke of avoiding certain food combinations, specifically those foods requiring different acids to be digested. If such foods were eaten together, Cayce said, one type would be digested while the other would sit and ferment in the stomach thus becoming toxic to the body.

He also stated that carbonated drinks were to be almost always avoided, not just because of the sugar or artificial sweetener in them, but because they interfered with the interaction between the liver and the kidney. Other gems offered by Cayce included such statements as: apples should never be eaten raw, only baked or cooked, unless used for fasting purposes; only the peel of the white potato was of any real nutritional value; and coffee and tea become toxic when combined with milk or cream.

Although modern-day medical practitioners often look upon the power of "suggestion" as pseudo science, Cayce often recommended that positive suggestion be a part of a patient's daily treatment. Cayce said that emotions, both positive and negative, moved as electric energies through the nervous system, affecting the entire organism. His message here was that the nervous system acts as a conduit and carries impulses and instructions to every cell in the body. Positive and negative thoughts could therefore physically alter each cell's functioning. Again, Cayce was far ahead of his time in pinpointing the role that stress played in one's overall health. In one reading Cayce—in trance—stated that "worry and fear [are] the greatest foes to [a] normal healthy physical body ." For another patient he said, "For thoughts are things! And they have their effect upon individuals...just as physical as sticking a pin in the hand!"


Source: http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/edgar-cayce-health-healing.html

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:56 PM

"Thoughts are things"

Very important, thanks for the reminder. :)

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:21 PM

"Thoughts are things"

Very important, thanks for the reminder. Posted Image

Yes indeed, but the key part I wanted to highlight was that
Cayce also spoke of avoiding certain food combinations, specifically those foods requiring different acids to be digested. If such foods were eaten together, Cayce said, one type would be digested while the other would sit and ferment in the stomach thus becoming toxic to the body.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

It's definitely true. I can eat a giant fruit smoothie at the beginning of the day and feel okay. But the other night I ate some fruit after eating a protein a few hours before, and my stomach bloated out like I was pregnant and I was in major pain for hours. It just sits there fermenting, filling you up with gas. It's awful.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:45 PM

Update:

This was day 1 on the full gut healing program with no fruit or honey. I wasn't hungry for breakfast so I just drank a lemon water kefir and had hot lemon water instead of my typical tea/honey. It's jut something about having a hot mug of something in the morning--I need it. It doesn't really matter what it is. Coffee, tea, hot lemon water, whatever. The lemon water was so soothing on my throat (getting over a cold) and seemed to rev my digestive system up for the day.

I wasn't hungry so I did a little intermittent fast and waited to eat until around 2pm. I had two eggs, a cauliflower and broccoli stir fry, a big salad, and a HUGE serving of saurkraut. I'm out of kimchi, will have to run to the store for some tomorrow.

Dinner was 2 grassfed burgers, fried zucchini, a big salad with zucchini onion dressing, skillet-browned onions, another mountain of saurkraut, and steamed kale.

I had two more lemon water kefir drinks and a big spoonful of the kefir grains throughout the day.

The results so far:

The inflammation in my skin has gone down a lot. Probably at least 50% improvement. Much less pain than that picture I posted yesterday, and that was only about 30 hours ago.

I'm not sure if the reduction in sugar is doing anything but I do think the sauerkraut is doing something. Every time I've added the sauerkraut on top of the kefir, I've experienced this clearing. But when I'm doing large amounts of the kefir only, I break out badly still. This is why it's clearly so important to get many different sources for the probiotics. It's happened three times now, every time I was forced to take a break from the sauerkraut, I get the constipation and bad breakouts again. Now that I added it back in, things seem to be improving.

This makes me really excited about adding even more sources of probiotics in and seeing what happens! Until I can do that, I'm just buying 2-3 heads of cabbage at a time and making a ton of sauerkraut so I never run out. It's possible that the sauerkraut contains a specific species of bacteria that I need. What's odd is, kimchi is also fermented cabbage, but I don't get the same effect from it. So it must have different species in it.

I'm hopeful. :)



did a little intermittent fasting and had my first meal

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:19 AM

Blog many might like by a Med student with an interest in evolution. In other words how things we are supposed to do/eat help maintain health while all these unnatural lifestyle and diet habits cause disease. It's called Principle Into Practice.

This article is about how Saturated fat benefits both leaky gut and liver health: http://principleinto...saturated-fats/

Cells from the small intestine of mice maintained on a diet high in SAFA, in comparison to those maintained on a diet high in PUFA, have significantly higher levels of mRNA coding for a number of the proteins that are important for intestinal integrity such as Tight Junction Protein ZO-1, Intestine Claudin 1, and Intestine Occludin. Furthermore, alcohol consumption further decreases the mRNA levels of most of these genes in animals fed a high-PUFA containing diet, while alcohol has no effect on levels in SAFA-fed animals. Changes in mRNA level do not necessarily mean changes in protein levels, however the same study showed an increase in intestinal permeability in mice fed PUFA and ethanol in comparison to control when measured by an ex-vivo fluorescent assay. This shows that PUFA alone can disturb the expression of proteins that maintain gut integrity, and that alcohol further diminishes integrity. In combination with a SAFA diet, however, alcohol does not affect intestinal permeability [4].

Cells from the small intestine of mice maintained on a diet high in SAFA, in comparison to those maintained on a diet high in PUFA, have significantly higher levels of mRNA coding for a number of the proteins that are important for intestinal integrity such as Tight Junction Protein ZO-1, Intestine Claudin 1, and Intestine Occludin. Furthermore, alcohol consumption further decreases the mRNA levels of most of these genes in animals fed a high-PUFA containing diet, while alcohol has no effect on levels in SAFA-fed animals. Changes in mRNA level do not necessarily mean changes in protein levels, however the same study showed an increase in intestinal permeability in mice fed PUFA and ethanol in comparison to control when measured by an ex-vivo fluorescent assay. This shows that PUFA alone can disturb the expression of proteins that maintain gut integrity, and that alcohol further diminishes integrity. In combination with a SAFA diet, however, alcohol does not affect intestinal permeability [4].

Improved gut integrity is no doubt a key aspect of the protective effects of SAFA. Increased gut integrity leads to decreased inflammatory compounds in the blood, which in turn means there will be decreased inflammatory interactions in the liver. Indeed, in comparison to animals fed alcohol and PUFA, animals fed alcohol with a SAFA diet had significantly lower levels of the inflammatory cytokine TNF-a and the marker of macrophage infiltration MCP-1 [4]. Decreased inflammation, both systemically and in the liver, is undoubtedly a key element of the protective effects of dietary SAFA.


4. Kirpich, I.A., W. Feng, Y. Wang, Y. Liu, D.F. Barker, S.S. Barve, and C.J. McClain, The type of dietary fat modulates intestinal tight junction integrity, gut permeability, and hepatic toll-like receptor expression in a mouse model of alcoholic liver disease. Alcohol Clin Exp Res, 2012. 36(5): p. 835-46.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:48 AM




I think we should avoid legumes, seeds, nuts, and grains forever really. They only cause more harm than good! And too many fats mixed with sugar is a problem!

http://paleohacks.co...s#axzz2DXkb1500


What you say is very true!! Though, everybody, keep in mind- fats are actually great for us!! And I'm talking of course, about olive and coconut oils, avocados, the fat from grass fed animals and wild caught salmon, ghee, grass fed butter, etc. These things are essentially and only ever become a problem when consumed with the enemy: refined carbohydrates, which are high in sugar and GMO grain. This evil grain is actually what is contributing to the cardiovascular disease epidemic, not, as we traditionally thought, 'cholesterol.'


speaking of this, does anyone have digestion problems when they consume lots of fats? i've been following paleo without fats added in, but i found once i started to add them my stomach would act up.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:59 AM

I have the opposite, really. Not enough fat and nothing in my body seems to work right. I think some people work better running off more carbs and some running off more fat.

Update on me:

Day 3 on the no sugar plan. Yesterday I had a lot of emotions I was processing. It was a bad day for my self esteem, anxiety and bdd issues. :( But I also noticed that between 3 and 5 pm I had this intense, random splitting headache. I don't get headaches often. I wonder if there was some candida dying off from my system? A lot of the emotional release I was feeling happened around that time as well. It faded away into the night and I felt physically okay after that.

The constipation is still an issue. It's improved a little as far as frequency but not as far as difficulty. Someone suggested that maybe it's the candida die off making me constipated. I really don't know but I desperately need it to improve. It used to be so easy for me. :( I don't understand why my body gets worse when I try to get healthier.

I've been doing a lot of therapy and internal work. Trying to work on healing from every angle.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

I have the opposite, really. Not enough fat and nothing in my body seems to work right. I think some people work better running off more carbs and some running off more fat.

Update on me:

Day 3 on the no sugar plan. Yesterday I had a lot of emotions I was processing. It was a bad day for my self esteem, anxiety and bdd issues. Posted Image But I also noticed that between 3 and 5 pm I had this intense, random splitting headache. I don't get headaches often. I wonder if there was some candida dying off from my system? A lot of the emotional release I was feeling happened around that time as well. It faded away into the night and I felt physically okay after that.

The constipation is still an issue. It's improved a little as far as frequency but not as far as difficulty. Someone suggested that maybe it's the candida die off making me constipated. I really don't know but I desperately need it to improve. It used to be so easy for me. Posted Image I don't understand why my body gets worse when I try to get healthier.

I've been doing a lot of therapy and internal work. Trying to work on healing from every angle.


The headache is likely from being in ketosis. Read up on ketosis/ketogenic diets.

Personally, I can't handle too many carbs (no fruit, especially if it's raw) due to yeast and bacterial dysbiosis, but I do try to eat enough to stay out of ketosis because I don't feel well in ketosis, and because a ketogenic diet seems to have some long-term risks. I get most of my carbs from winter squash (acorn, butternut, buttercup, etc.), which is SCD-legal and a lot less starchy than sweet potatoes.

What do you mean by "not enough fat"? If you're eating very low carb, you need to get most of your calories from fat.

Also... since you seem to be having a lot of trouble with the fermented foods, I would *personally* recommend stopping them and taking an SCD-legal acidophilus supplement instead. Fermented foods (other than the 24-hour yogurt) are considered 'advanced' on the SCD, I think because people with gut issues often have trouble tolerating the different strains. Kefir has yeasts which I imagine would be a problem for most people with an intestinal yeast overgrowth.

This is the acidophilus supplement I use: http://kirkmanlabs.c...Hypoallergenic/

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:05 AM

I found out I have a leaky gut a few weeks ago from a test they did... a lot of this information is overwhelming here :S Should I just stick to do what my nutritionist is telling me to do? And I dunno if this has been answered or anything, but on average, how long does it take for the gut to heal and my body to start clearing up my acne?

Also will stress every now and then each day stop me from my gut healing? if yes, what do you recommend I do?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:50 AM


I have the opposite, really. Not enough fat and nothing in my body seems to work right. I think some people work better running off more carbs and some running off more fat.

Update on me:

Day 3 on the no sugar plan. Yesterday I had a lot of emotions I was processing. It was a bad day for my self esteem, anxiety and bdd issues. Posted Image But I also noticed that between 3 and 5 pm I had this intense, random splitting headache. I don't get headaches often. I wonder if there was some candida dying off from my system? A lot of the emotional release I was feeling happened around that time as well. It faded away into the night and I felt physically okay after that.

The constipation is still an issue. It's improved a little as far as frequency but not as far as difficulty. Someone suggested that maybe it's the candida die off making me constipated. I really don't know but I desperately need it to improve. It used to be so easy for me. Posted Image I don't understand why my body gets worse when I try to get healthier.

I've been doing a lot of therapy and internal work. Trying to work on healing from every angle.


The headache is likely from being in ketosis. Read up on ketosis/ketogenic diets.

Personally, I can't handle too many carbs (no fruit, especially if it's raw) due to yeast and bacterial dysbiosis, but I do try to eat enough to stay out of ketosis because I don't feel well in ketosis, and because a ketogenic diet seems to have some long-term risks. I get most of my carbs from winter squash (acorn, butternut, buttercup, etc.), which is SCD-legal and a lot less starchy than sweet potatoes.

What do you mean by "not enough fat"? If you're eating very low carb, you need to get most of your calories from fat.

Also... since you seem to be having a lot of trouble with the fermented foods, I would *personally* recommend stopping them and taking an SCD-legal acidophilus supplement instead. Fermented foods (other than the 24-hour yogurt) are considered 'advanced' on the SCD, I think because people with gut issues often have trouble tolerating the different strains. Kefir has yeasts which I imagine would be a problem for most people with an intestinal yeast overgrowth.

This is the acidophilus supplement I use: http://kirkmanlabs.c...Hypoallergenic/


I am eating carbs like veggies. Just no sugar/fruits/starchy veggies. :) I don't think I was in ketosis, as the headache only lasted as short time and my diet has stayed the same and it hasn't happened since.

I'm trying to save money to buy that SCD legal probiotic. Just can't afford it yet.

Not sure what I meant by what I said lol. Sorry, it's early. :)




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