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Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:41 PM


Great answer i think you are absolutely right, but if you already created alot of allergies and you start to eat that instead of what caused it? Then youll still have acne or what?


I wish I could respond better but I'm not entirely sure I get the question. Help me fill in the blank. It seems like you are asking that: "bad dieting and lifestyle, which creates leaky gut, which causes food intolerances and hormone issues, causes acne, so if you start to eat _____________, will you still have acne?"

What is the answer to the blank, to help me understand more


I am clear at the moment after cutting out all sugar, dairy, gluten, nuts, fish and fruits, i will try to add food back to see what is the real cause. I will start with fish and meats.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:50 PM



Great answer i think you are absolutely right, but if you already created alot of allergies and you start to eat that instead of what caused it? Then youll still have acne or what?


I wish I could respond better but I'm not entirely sure I get the question. Help me fill in the blank. It seems like you are asking that: "bad dieting and lifestyle, which creates leaky gut, which causes food intolerances and hormone issues, causes acne, so if you start to eat _____________, will you still have acne?"

What is the answer to the blank, to help me understand more


I am clear at the moment after cutting out all sugar, dairy, gluten, nuts, fish and fruits, i will try to add food back to see what is the real cause. I will start with fish and meats.


Ahh, I see. Glad to hear you're clear! That logic is often used when trying to figure out food allergies. People eliminate a bunch of food, and slowly add them in to see what is actually causing the problem.

If your goal is to figure out what is causing the reaction, go very slowly. Sometimes it takes up to a month to see the effects of food intolerance in skin. Be careful to add only one food group in at a time and don't add the next in for another month or so. But...I'm not sure why you would go this route, as you will see me explain below. If you do this, I'd say do the nuts and the fish and meats (always organic, unprocessed, wild, hormone free and GRASS fed), but don't bother adding grains, sugar or dairy at all.

The leaky gut theory logic is a little different than the one used in "reintroduction." It follows that sugar, dairy, gluten, and some nuts + fruits CAUSE intestinal permeability and will eventually lead to acne no matter what by making the immune system vulnerable (I'm sure you understand that by now). So, following that protocol, the goal is not to figure out "what your allergens are" but rather to recognize that your allergies are just a symptoms of a greater problem: leaky gut. Therefore, to cure your allergies you would eliminate these foods altogether: forever.

That way, if you ever came across some trace amounts of gluten or dairy or sugar-- you would not react to it since your gut would already be healed. But just keep in mind that it is never a good plan to eventually re-include sugar, grains and dairy because those are the sources that caused the gut problem in the first place!!

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 07:51 AM




Great answer i think you are absolutely right, but if you already created alot of allergies and you start to eat that instead of what caused it? Then youll still have acne or what?


I wish I could respond better but I'm not entirely sure I get the question. Help me fill in the blank. It seems like you are asking that: "bad dieting and lifestyle, which creates leaky gut, which causes food intolerances and hormone issues, causes acne, so if you start to eat _____________, will you still have acne?"

What is the answer to the blank, to help me understand more


I am clear at the moment after cutting out all sugar, dairy, gluten, nuts, fish and fruits, i will try to add food back to see what is the real cause. I will start with fish and meats.


Ahh, I see. Glad to hear you're clear! That logic is often used when trying to figure out food allergies. People eliminate a bunch of food, and slowly add them in to see what is actually causing the problem.

If your goal is to figure out what is causing the reaction, go very slowly. Sometimes it takes up to a month to see the effects of food intolerance in skin. Be careful to add only one food group in at a time and don't add the next in for another month or so. But...I'm not sure why you would go this route, as you will see me explain below. If you do this, I'd say do the nuts and the fish and meats (always organic, unprocessed, wild, hormone free and GRASS fed), but don't bother adding grains, sugar or dairy at all.

The leaky gut theory logic is a little different than the one used in "reintroduction." It follows that sugar, dairy, gluten, and some nuts + fruits CAUSE intestinal permeability and will eventually lead to acne no matter what by making the immune system vulnerable (I'm sure you understand that by now). So, following that protocol, the goal is not to figure out "what your allergens are" but rather to recognize that your allergies are just a symptoms of a greater problem: leaky gut. Therefore, to cure your allergies you would eliminate these foods altogether: forever.

That way, if you ever came across some trace amounts of gluten or dairy or sugar-- you would not react to it since your gut would already be healed. But just keep in mind that it is never a good plan to eventually re-include sugar, grains and dairy because those are the sources that caused the gut problem in the first place!!


I am so confused! I hear high fat is bad, and the high fruit and low fat cures candida quickly! I hate cutting fruit. And even paleo people eat fruit. But paleo is so much FAT! It takes people too long to heal their candida on the high fat paleo diet. I'm really confused again.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 07:55 AM

As i have read AND EXPERIENCED high fat is actully much better instead of high intake of carbs. candida is a yeast infection, all you pretty much have to do is leave all the sugar behind and that goes for fruits too, fruits contain natural sugar which you want to avoid. If you think you have candida buy some water kefir and other pro biotics, that will help heal it!

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:17 PM

Someone PLEASE read this and prove it wrong!!!

I don't like what I'm reading below, so I'd appreciate it if a person more knowledgable about the scientific aspect of digestion could answer for it.

http://www.healingna...icles/dig12.php

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:32 AM

Someone PLEASE read this and prove it wrong!!!

I don't like what I'm reading below, so I'd appreciate it if a person more knowledgable about the scientific aspect of digestion could answer for it.

http://www.healingna...icles/dig12.php


Wow i can't believe that they right this:

"When the body receives foods it needs to heal, detoxify and repair itself, it goes into high gear, producing healing reactions. After all the body only has one way of responding, whether it is handling or trying to minimize the effects of toxins or poisons, or it is trying to heal and detoxify itself"
I don't think thats true at all.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:16 AM

Someone PLEASE read this and prove it wrong!!!

I don't like what I'm reading below, so I'd appreciate it if a person more knowledgable about the scientific aspect of digestion could answer for it.

http://www.healingna...icles/dig12.php


I didn't read the whole article, since I quickly got the message of the article. There's thousands of scientific studies showing that leaky gut (increased intestinal permeability) is a real condition. I remember I used to get information from the Healing Naturally site when I was doing my candida treatment, but at this point I've realised that most of the information on that site is incorrect.

To even make the statement that leaky gut is not a real issue when there's thousands of studies on medline showing the opposite is insane.

A handful of studies on leaky gut/increased intestinal permeability:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22629362
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23084636
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22872031
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3777713

Gut dysbiosis and leaky gut usually go hand in hand.

Recommended video with Dr. Loren Cordain. 44:39-->Leaky gut


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:14 AM

How does anyone explain the fruit vs fat debate?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:34 AM

I 100% believe leaky gut is real. I've been dealing with it a long time and there's no way I could have such an effect from changing my diet and probiotics (and a negative effect from eating foods that are known to increase leaky gut) if this wasn't real.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

Thanks guys for the affirmations that the article is bogus. Obviously, the website is not reviewed or accredited, but the language used was sophisticated and it came from a so called "natural healing" site which usually increases the credibility of things in my mind so it was unfortunate to see that article there. But- I will not let it cloud my already formed opinion that leaky gut is real...even though many online medical sites claim that leaky gut is "unproven" or a "mystery" to modern medicine.

As for high fat diets, someone here once said it is not the fat that you're eating (well, healthy fats) that are bad for you. It's the carbs that you're eating with the fats that is allowing gut permeability, damage, inflammation and essentially allowing the otherwise healthy fat to be absorbed in an unhealthy way as a toxin. If you eat a high fat, extremely low carb diet I have read that you can actually reverse things commonly thought to be aggravated by high fat diet such as diabetes and heart disease. I myself have noticed a tremendous benefit in health by cutting mostly all carbs except squash pumpkin and sweet potato, and consuming healthy fat like grass fed butter, ghee and fish oil daily.

I am a firm believer that humans NEED fat sources in their diet for optimal health and especially hormone balance. But again these fats must be from healthy grass fed sources if animal based or organic if vegetable based (olive oil, coconut oil, almond butter).

As for fruit, take the paleo guidelines and only consume small amounts. Yes, fruit is good for you and can be a great source of probiotics but they are also high in natural sugar so don't go overboard. If you are currently trying to eliminate candida, cut out all fruit for at least a month, alongside other treatments, and slowly introduce it back in.

And by the way WhiteFox...that video link is fantastic. I watched the whole thing and already shared it with a few others. Pretty comprehensive and relatively short Paleo science video from a very esteemed and respected man.

Edited by Ind1g0, 28 November 2012 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:25 AM

How long time do you have to avoid carbs and legumes for the gut to heal? I drink water kefir everyday to help it heal.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:51 AM



Great answer i think you are absolutely right, but if you already created alot of allergies and you start to eat that instead of what caused it? Then youll still have acne or what?


I wish I could respond better but I'm not entirely sure I get the question. Help me fill in the blank. It seems like you are asking that: "bad dieting and lifestyle, which creates leaky gut, which causes food intolerances and hormone issues, causes acne, so if you start to eat _____________, will you still have acne?"

What is the answer to the blank, to help me understand more


I am clear at the moment after cutting out all sugar, dairy, gluten, nuts, fish and fruits, i will try to add food back to see what is the real cause. I will start with fish and meats.


I am glad you are clear but is there anything you can actually eat then? lol

I don't mean that in a bad way but nuts, fish and fruits are very good food sources. Your food selection seems really limted.

It raises another point. At what point is enough is enough? How many food items do we eliminate?

I think there has to come a point where a compromise is reached that allows one to eat a wide variety of foods. I'm not saying your way is wrong, in fact full respect for having the discipline but i would argue life is there to be explored and enjoyed rather than having an existence just around acne.

Just o be clear. I'm in no way saying what you doing is wrong. Just debating how far do we go before we get so obsessed that everything we eat is to do with acne.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:55 AM

How long time do you have to avoid carbs and legumes for the gut to heal? I drink water kefir everyday to help it heal.




Great answer i think you are absolutely right, but if you already created alot of allergies and you start to eat that instead of what caused it? Then youll still have acne or what?


I wish I could respond better but I'm not entirely sure I get the question. Help me fill in the blank. It seems like you are asking that: "bad dieting and lifestyle, which creates leaky gut, which causes food intolerances and hormone issues, causes acne, so if you start to eat _____________, will you still have acne?"

What is the answer to the blank, to help me understand more


I am clear at the moment after cutting out all sugar, dairy, gluten, nuts, fish and fruits, i will try to add food back to see what is the real cause. I will start with fish and meats.


I am glad you are clear but is there anything you can actually eat then? lol

I don't mean that in a bad way but nuts, fish and fruits are very good food sources. Your food selection seems really limted.

It raises another point. At what point is enough is enough? How many food items do we eliminate?

I think there has to come a point where a compromise is reached that allows one to eat a wide variety of foods. I'm not saying your way is wrong, in fact full respect for having the discipline but i would argue life is there to be explored and enjoyed rather than having an existence just around acne.

Just o be clear. I'm in no way saying what you doing is wrong. Just debating how far do we go before we get so obsessed that everything we eat is to do with acne.


I think we should avoid legumes, seeds, nuts, and grains forever really. They only cause more harm than good! And too many fats mixed with sugar is a problem!

http://paleohacks.com/questions/164718/healing-acne-while-eating-potatoes#axzz2DXkb1500

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:12 AM


How long time do you have to avoid carbs and legumes for the gut to heal? I drink water kefir everyday to help it heal.




Great answer i think you are absolutely right, but if you already created alot of allergies and you start to eat that instead of what caused it? Then youll still have acne or what?


I wish I could respond better but I'm not entirely sure I get the question. Help me fill in the blank. It seems like you are asking that: "bad dieting and lifestyle, which creates leaky gut, which causes food intolerances and hormone issues, causes acne, so if you start to eat _____________, will you still have acne?"

What is the answer to the blank, to help me understand more


I am clear at the moment after cutting out all sugar, dairy, gluten, nuts, fish and fruits, i will try to add food back to see what is the real cause. I will start with fish and meats.


I am glad you are clear but is there anything you can actually eat then? lol

I don't mean that in a bad way but nuts, fish and fruits are very good food sources. Your food selection seems really limted.

It raises another point. At what point is enough is enough? How many food items do we eliminate?

I think there has to come a point where a compromise is reached that allows one to eat a wide variety of foods. I'm not saying your way is wrong, in fact full respect for having the discipline but i would argue life is there to be explored and enjoyed rather than having an existence just around acne.

Just o be clear. I'm in no way saying what you doing is wrong. Just debating how far do we go before we get so obsessed that everything we eat is to do with acne.


I think we should avoid legumes, seeds, nuts, and grains forever really. They only cause more harm than good! And too many fats mixed with sugar is a problem!

http://paleohacks.co...s#axzz2DXkb1500


Intriguing but there is no concrete study to back this up.

The person in the article says carbs and fats shouldn't consumed together. According to whom and based on what study?

That individual found something what worked for him. Every individual has a unique biology.

Rather than getting in a long debate with anyone here i personally believe there is room for a little bit of everything.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:06 PM

Maybe someone can explain wtf is going on with me.

Okay I already mentioned the constipation thing once. It seemed like it cleared up for about a week or so. But now I've been incredibly constipated for another week.

Whitefox, WHY is this happening?

I know it is the probiotics because this has happened every time I've used them. But never for this long, and never after my body has stabilized from them (no more gas or bloating, etc). I haven't added any new strains. I've just been at 2-3 cups of water kefir per day and about 3 servings of fermented foods per day. (kimchee and saurkraut). My diet is paleo and hasn't changed since before I began this program. I'm only able to use the bathroom every 1-2 and on the occasions it happens once a day I'm having to strain to get even a little bit out. In the past I never had to strain at all and going to the bathroom was frequent and easy. 2-3 times per day.

The exact same thing happened a long time ago when I took primal defense. It was like the probiotics hit my intestines and they just froze.

This can't be good for me. I can't understand what is happening or what I should do. Posted Image

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:05 PM

Maybe someone can explain wtf is going on with me.

Okay I already mentioned the constipation thing once. It seemed like it cleared up for about a week or so. But now I've been incredibly constipated for another week.

Whitefox, WHY is this happening?

I know it is the probiotics because this has happened every time I've used them. But never for this long, and never after my body has stabilized from them (no more gas or bloating, etc). I haven't added any new strains. I've just been at 2-3 cups of water kefir per day and about 3 servings of fermented foods per day. (kimchee and saurkraut). My diet is paleo and hasn't changed since before I began this program. I'm only able to use the bathroom every 1-2 and on the occasions it happens once a day I'm having to strain to get even a little bit out. In the past I never had to strain at all and going to the bathroom was frequent and easy. 2-3 times per day.

The exact same thing happened a long time ago when I took primal defense. It was like the probiotics hit my intestines and they just froze.

This can't be good for me. I can't understand what is happening or what I should do. Posted Image


Just continue increasing the quantity of probiotic supplements and fermented foods you are using.
Start eating MORE vegetables, especially those containing prebiotics. For example onions, leeks and broccoli. Steam/cook some vegetables such as broccoli to make them easier to digest:) Your constipation problem should slowly pass with the increased consumption of fiber and prebiotics (from veggies) and probiotics (from supplements and fermented foods)

Edited by White Fox, 29 November 2012 - 01:06 PM.


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:23 PM

I'm eating two meals a day with a plate piled with vegetables. I eat a salad and a cooked vegetable dish each meal, with half the plate being fermented foods and at least a quarter of an onion, multiple cloves of garlic and leeks occasionally too. So basically, keep doing what I'm doing, I guess. Something just doesn't seem right.

Is it possible to get too much of one type of bacteria and not enough of another? That's the only thing I can think that may be wrong. From what I've read, there aren't certain strains of bacteria in some of the fermented foods and I would need a probiotic to get those (acidopholis is one, sorry can't spell that). I can't afford the supplement I need at this time, though.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

This may have been posted here before, but I found this page and it has a lot of useful information that goes along with what we're all trying to do here:

http://articles.merc...-interview.aspx

It mentions how BC pills can damage the gut flora badly... I feel like I may have known that at some point and forgot. It makes even more sense why I developed cystic acne right after starting the pill and it never went away. The pill damaged my hormones and got them out of whack AND ruined my already-messed-up gut flora even more. I've been preaching against BC pills for years now and now I have yet another reason to be against them.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:43 PM

WhiteFox, in that video you posted, he mentioned that if in the morning you have leaky gut and throughout the day you avoid all the foods that cause leaky gut, your gut will be healed by the end of the day. Does he mean that the healing process starts? Because I don't think he means that your gut is completely healed, correct?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:40 AM

WhiteFox, in that video you posted, he mentioned that if in the morning you have leaky gut and throughout the day you avoid all the foods that cause leaky gut, your gut will be healed by the end of the day. Does he mean that the healing process starts? Because I don't think he means that your gut is completely healed, correct?


Hi!

Dr. Cordain is primarily talking about leaky gut in the context of the western diet. E.g., Antinutrients (e.g., lectins), hormones, bio-active peptides found in milk, grains and legumes have been shown to breach the gut barrier even in otherwise "healthy" people with no acne, GI problems etc. The low-grade inflammation in these individuals will over the years contribute to the typical western diseases. Dr. Cordain thinks that these mild cases can be resolved quickly by adopting a paleolithic diet.

However, individuals with damaged gut flora, more severe leaky gut, acne etc. will take longer to heal.
It all depends on the severity of the condition. If you only have mild-moderate acne and no gastrointestinal problems, you will improve quickly on the gut diet if you include a lot of preobiotics and prebiotics.
If you have food intolerances, gastrointestinal problems etc. besides acne, treatment will take longer time.

I'm eating two meals a day with a plate piled with vegetables. I eat a salad and a cooked vegetable dish each meal, with half the plate being fermented foods and at least a quarter of an onion, multiple cloves of garlic and leeks occasionally too. So basically, keep doing what I'm doing, I guess. Something just doesn't seem right.

Is it possible to get too much of one type of bacteria and not enough of another? That's the only thing I can think that may be wrong. From what I've read, there aren't certain strains of bacteria in some of the fermented foods and I would need a probiotic to get those (acidopholis is one, sorry can't spell that). I can't afford the supplement I need at this time, though.


It seems like you are following the diet so just be persistant.

Don't worry about the specific bacteria you're getting. If you include both probiotic supplements and several types of fermented foods you are all good:)

Edited by White Fox, 30 November 2012 - 04:42 AM.





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