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#1 LZOMG

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:53 PM

I had the Active FX and i kinda regret not taking before pictures, I feel kinda bad for not taking befores so I will make sure I have before pictures this time. Even though I dont notice almost no improvement on my scars from the Active FX procedure. Does anyone have suggestions for my scars or should i just ask for the DEEP FX this time and not the active FX again.
Also how long am i going to have to wait until I can get another fractional CO2?
And will DEEP FX give me very good results after 1 treatment?


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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:20 PM

When did you have Active FX done? I was told to wait 6 months after Deep FX but I am not sure if Active FX would require as much time, as it does not target deep enough to cause bleeding and stimulate collagen regrowth where the scar actually exists. Did a doctor recommend Active FX when also offering Deep FX?

I would find a doctor who is specialized in Total FX and get his/her opinion. You shouldn't have to suggest the type of laser to the right physician. I would find a doctor who genuinely cares about helping you reach your goal. When you find a doctor like this, you will know just by how you're treated in your initial consultation. You should probably interview a few of them. I wish I had explored more options in that area, but I like my dermatologist so I chose him when I should have looked for a doctor with extensive experience with Deep FX and scar treatment. In the right hands, I believe you could see a benefit from Total FX or Deep FX, but the right doctor is key to making that possible.

Have read through Realself's Q&A area? If you're in the USA, you can probably research a doctor right on their site. You can also get great feedback from doctors all over the USA by posting a question or picture over there. I've posted a few questions, and have also found the site to be a great resource for information.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:27 PM

I got the treatment done on the 15th of may 2012.
She believed that my scarring was very superficial so she didnt want to go with the DEEP Fx.
Hopefully i can convince her that active FX doesnt do anything for scars. How did you convince your doctor to get you DEEP Fx, or did he already know active FX was useless.



And what kind of torture is this, you finally get rid of your acne after years, only to have scars that will cost you thousands to get rid of. What a cruel joke.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:04 PM

I got the treatment done on the 15th of may 2012.
She believed that my scarring was very superficial so she didnt want to go with the DEEP Fx.

It's only been 11 days since you had Active FX. Your skin is still healing. I've never had Active, so I don't know how your skin is supposed to react but after Deep FX mine looked worse and then slowly improved. If Active is like Fraxel, then I believe your skin should still have some swelling at this point, so your scars should appear more filled in. You will lose some of that as your skin heals. With that said, some of your scars look deeper than superficial to me. While you appear to have superficial scars too. When scars are casting their own shadows, I think they're no longer superficial.

Hopefully i can convince her that active FX doesnt do anything for scars. How did you convince your doctor to get you DEEP Fx, or did he already know active FX was useless.

If you're going the laser route, you want someone who is confident in their ability to improve your scars with a particular laser. If you have to convince her to use Deep FX, then she may lack confidence. She would be using powerful beams of light to zap and smooth the deeper, damaged areas. What if she hits healthy tissue at too high of an intensity at that depth? Do you trust this person that much? It's just something you should consider because it may not be worth the risk.

My doctor suggested Deep FX. He also offers Fraxel Restore & other lasers, but knew Fraxel or Active FX alone would not penetrate deep enough. When he first suggested it, I refused to do it. I was opposed to laser treatement, so I continued using aesthetician services, as well as OTC products, scar creams, home remedies, vitamins, etc. Then, I tried TCA Cross. Frustrated, I finally agreed to laser.

I also consulted with two plastic surgeons this week, and both recommended one more aggressive treatment with Total FX.

And what kind of torture is this, you finally get rid of your acne after years, only to have scars that will cost you thousands to get rid of. What a cruel joke.

Getting rid of acne can be bittersweet, huh? I understand the frustration. At times, I think I've lost my mind with home much time, energy and money I've wasted on my scars.

Edited by TokyoGirl, 26 May 2012 - 11:07 PM.


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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:46 AM

Lol you used natural remedies to get rid of acne scars? xD
The main thing I dislike about these forums is all the pseudo scientist that claim Emo Oil cures acne and what not. Which eventually lead me in a never ending trip to walmart to buy "natural way" to get rid of acne.
I was a broke high school kid with no financial aid from my parents. I blame them for being greedy and refusing to take me to the dermatologist after I asked them several times to then I just told them how much it would maby cost, they said no, then I ended up with all these scars. Until I somehow saved up enough money to go to the Dermatologist and got rid of acne for the most part.
How did your trial and error for getting rid of acne go

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:00 AM

Lol you used natural remedies to get rid of acne scars? xD
The main thing I dislike about these forums is all the pseudo scientist that claim Emo Oil cures acne and what not. Which eventually lead me in a never ending trip to walmart to buy "natural way" to get rid of acne.
I was a broke high school kid with no financial aid from my parents. I blame them for being greedy and refusing to take me to the dermatologist after I asked them several times to then I just told them how much it would maby cost, they said no, then I ended up with all these scars. Until I somehow saved up enough money to go to the Dermatologist and got rid of acne for the most part.
How did your trial and error for getting rid of acne go


AMEN!!! The "Quack Industry" is almost totally unregulated and they carefully word their advertising to get around what few regulations exist. They promise the world and deliver nothing.

Health! The 'open sesame' to the sucker's purse!

I equate Active FX to Fraxel Re:store and Deep FX to Fraxel Re:pair. You will need multiple treatments of Deep FX for good results.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:19 AM

Yea, Im starting to compare the Active to the Fraxel Restore, I thought because it was CO2 it would give me some results, and I would just do it like 2-3 times.
I noticed you have had 5 Repairs, what type of scarring do you have. How much improvment would you say you have today since the first treatment. And if your satisified or you will continue getting co2 lasers?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:57 PM

Lol you used natural remedies to get rid of acne scars? xD


Unfortunately, when I started to treat my scars, I lived in Japan where they believe in home remedies. It's part of the Asian culture. After a period of time, I started to research treatments online and discovered this forum, as well as sites like realself. Laser treatment wasn't really an option for me in Japan. Despite what I've read on this forum about advanced treatments available in Japan & how they are one of the best in cosmetic treatments, I have found Japan to be completely the opposite. They make great makeup! I lived in Japan for 26 years. I was afraid to even see a Japanese doctor over my acne because medical treatment is simply not on the same level as the Western world. There is a reason there are so many people suffering from acne & severe acne scars in Asia. Anyway, I actually moved back to the USA after the earthquake last year, and began my "Western" approach to scar treatment shortly after I arrived.

How did your trial and error for getting rid of acne go


My acne started in my late 20s when I returned to Japan. At first, I tried treating it at home. I eventually went to see a Japanese doctor who put me on antibiotics & a Japanese topical. For the most part, it did eventually clear up (never completely in Japan) but I was left with scars. I was actually in my 30s when the scars started. Up until that point, I hadn't really suffered from scarring. My skin is really clear now but I have been obsessing on a variety of treatments since I arrived back in the US, which pretty much cleared my remaining acne.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:38 PM

I am curious about Fraxel Re:pair too. I can't remember why I felt Deep FX would be more promising. I have to research that again. I do think both lasers can produce good results though in the right hands.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 07:16 PM

Yea, Im starting to compare the Active to the Fraxel Restore, I thought because it was CO2 it would give me some results, and I would just do it like 2-3 times.
I noticed you have had 5 Repairs, what type of scarring do you have. How much improvment would you say you have today since the first treatment. And if your satisified or you will continue getting co2 lasers?


Active FX = Fraxel Re:store ineffective for acne scars. Deep FX = Fraxel Re:pair effective for acne scars. I had rolling and boxcar and I am probably at 80-90% improvement, but mine were pretty extensive. I will be going for a facelift later this year that I hope will bring me close to 100%. The areas that rest against bone are much easier to treat. I may continue Re:pair even after Plastic Surgery just alone for the tightening effect.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:09 PM

It is really hard to tell from the photos but it appears like your cheek scars look much like mine (in person). I equate Active FX to Affirm Multiplex, which I have had 6 treatments of, spaced 1 month apart. The Cynosure Affirm Multiplex definitely helped with enlarged/scarred pores and wrinkles but as others have said, you won't be satisfied with non-ablative treatments on any significant acne scarring. As for the time you must wait to have the Ablative CO2 done after a non-ablative treatment, I waited about 2 months after my last treatment, and that was only due to scheduling conflicts.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 02:01 PM

How unfortunate TokyoGirl, I guess Japan is ahead in terms of technology and America is ahead in terms of Medicine
Just out of curiosity, whenever you lived in Japan, did you feel like you and Japanese people you knew, Broke out with acne if they were use to a Western Diet, (Ie. Refined Carbs[white bread], High Fat, Heavy Dairy Consumption). Because the two biggest acne studies relating to diet, was the Austrialian study that linked Refined Carbohydrates to acne. And I think University Of Baylor linked Dairy to acne consumption.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:46 PM

I think there are issues with acne in Japan for a variety of reasons, like high pollution, poor quality water, humidity & mildew, and simply lower standards & expectations of care. I don't think it's the diet but I haven't actually thought about that before, so I'm not sure. Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world. I've always contributed that to their healthy diet.

In Japan, "specialists" are uncommon. In other words, most doctors are general practitioners. There are no continuing education requirements for doctors or nurses in Japan. Once licensed, it's for life! Japan is also on a Universal/National healthcare system where the pricing is set by law to keep medical care affordable for everyone. Unfortunately, that prevents modern medicine and proper care from reaching much of the population, even in Tokyo. If you're interested, you can read about Japan's system here:
http://en.wikipedia....system_in_Japan

I think scar treatments, like TCA CROSS, come out of countries like South Korea because the standard of care & healthcare system are very similar to Japan. Medical technology simply hasn't advanced in these countries, like the Western world. Although, it is slowly improving. In fact, lasers are finally making it over to Japan & Korea but it is not common or something you can find with ease. If you search hard enough, you might find a research center with lasers, but that doesn't mean everyone has access to it. There are some western style spas & private clinics that have popped up over the last few years, but when I was suffering, these places were nearly non-existent or they were simply not available to me.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:20 PM

Sounds Like Japan has a very similar healthcare system to Canada, but in Canada you can become a speciallist.
Once you are happy with getting rid of acne scars do you plan on moving back to japan?

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:29 PM

Canada has a high quality of care though, and their National system is the best in the world. At least, that's what I've heard from friends who live in Canada.

I don't know if I'll move back to Japan. The nuclear radiation issue, on top of frequent aftershocks, is a big concern of mine.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:54 PM

Have you decided what you're going to do next about your scars? Do you really think you need a laser as deep as SCAAR FX to produce results? Are your scars that deep? Personally, the laser kind of scares me.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:43 PM

Have you decided what you're going to do next about your scars? Do you really think you need a laser as deep as SCAAR FX to produce results? Are your scars that deep? Personally, the laser kind of scares me.


You look so pretty in your picture it is hard to believe you have scars. Asian people can have trouble with pigmentation issues so do your research.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:03 PM

Have you decided what you're going to do next about your scars? Do you really think you need a laser as deep as SCAAR FX to produce results? Are your scars that deep? Personally, the laser kind of scares me.


Depending on when more information comes out on the SCAAR FX, for i am latino but as you can tell I have more lighter skin then other hispanics. So I dont think I am at much risk. And if pictures of the SCAAR FX (before and afters) have amazing results I will most definatly try it. My only problem right now is since i invested in the Active FX i am broke right now, since college was getting to hard to continue having a jog.