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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:48 AM

Hey collegeboy! I've kind of been lurking on here, and i'm dying to know how your recovery is going, so i decided to make a profile. Just so I could say, I'm dying of suspense over here! My scars are SO much like yours, mainly just textural issues with enlarged/scarred pores, but enough to bug me. So i was wondering how much improvment you saw on your pores from your first fractionated co2 laser alone, and if any scarred pores went back to regular size, and then how much improvement you've seen from the fully ablative procedure on your pores in particular. You're just so positive and i look forward to hearing about your improvment! Thanks (:

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

Hey collegeboy! I've kind of been lurking on here, and i'm dying to know how your recovery is going, so i decided to make a profile. Just so I could say, I'm dying of suspense over here! My scars are SO much like yours, mainly just textural issues with enlarged/scarred pores, but enough to bug me. So i was wondering how much improvment you saw on your pores from your first fractionated co2 laser alone, and if any scarred pores went back to regular size, and then how much improvement you've seen from the fully ablative procedure on your pores in particular. You're just so positive and i look forward to hearing about your improvment! Thanks (:


Sorry man. Been real busy. Honestly? Stick with the Repair or DeepFX. The ultrapulse (100% ablation) is too agressive and the results were not as good as the repair was. I will do another repair in a few months (after spring semester). There is definitely an improvement with the Fraxel: Repair when it comes to textural and pores.

Good luck!

PS quote my message if you want a quick reply otherwise I dont know that you asking me a question since I rarely long on the boards these days.

Thanks!

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 09:54 AM


Hey collegeboy! I've kind of been lurking on here, and i'm dying to know how your recovery is going, so i decided to make a profile. Just so I could say, I'm dying of suspense over here! My scars are SO much like yours, mainly just textural issues with enlarged/scarred pores, but enough to bug me. So i was wondering how much improvment you saw on your pores from your first fractionated co2 laser alone, and if any scarred pores went back to regular size, and then how much improvement you've seen from the fully ablative procedure on your pores in particular. You're just so positive and i look forward to hearing about your improvment! Thanks (:


Sorry man. Been real busy. Honestly? Stick with the Repair or DeepFX. The ultrapulse (100% ablation) is too agressive and the results were not as good as the repair was. I will do another repair in a few months (after spring semester). There is definitely an improvement with the Fraxel: Repair when it comes to textural and pores.

Good luck!

PS quote my message if you want a quick reply otherwise I dont know that you asking me a question since I rarely long on the boards these days.

Thanks!


Glad to hear that you're still around. I was a bit worried that your last fully ablative treatment finished you off. How's the hyperpigmentation, colour issues? Did you experience any hypopigmentation issues at all? I hope the last treatment eliminated some scars, as it sounded really aggressive. Looking forward to see new pics of your progress.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

Hey Alex and everyone else I apologize if I haven't been as complete with my CO2 experience as some of the other poster's on this board. I have been SO busy these last few months with finals, holidays, work, buying a new truck and now spring semester starting up. And to be quite honest, I didn't want to come on here and post as thinking about the hyper-pigmentation was depressing enough to deal with.

Yes, the hyper-pigmentation was bad from the Ultrapulse laser. This aggressive old school CO2 laser had hyper-pigmentation that was much harsher, prolonged and noticeable then any fractional laser would. Honestly I should have known this as I had the treatment done once under the eyes. I guess I had really high expectations which is why I decided to go with the treatment. And although my scars had shrinkage to some extent I would say that the Fraxel: Repair was just as effective if not better. It is really hard to say as the changes are so slow you begin to forget what you started off with. I have tried to compare with old photos but its just too difficult to see.

As for the HYPO-pigmentation, nothing that I can see (THANKFULLY). The areas where the doctor went easy and the HYPER-pigmentation is already 100% gone does look pale but its just "fresh" skin.

HYPER-pigmentation was a whole different story. Truthfully, it was bad the first month. I mean, REAL bad. It was so obvious because I only had the half cheeks done. It wouldn't be as bad if they did down to the jawline. I don't really care for the temples as I can just wear a hat ( I do anyways at work). By the middle of the second month (45 days out) it started to fade rather quick, but still pretty obvious.

Today, is day 90 and it is STILL there. However, its very random in the sense that it looks nearly gone some days, and pretty obvious on others. I figured out that every time I am out in the cold weather for longer periods of time it really begins to irritate the skin and make the treated area bright pink for about 24 hours. Its like extremely chapped lips on a cold winter day - takes time to recover. I would imagine that having hyper-pigmentation 90 days out means there still must be some collagen improvement going on but truthfully its hard to even notice at this point.

Long story short, don't do the 100% ablative CO2. The recovery time is terrible and the results from the repair may be better. Come to think of it, I had as good results from the Fraxel: Repair AND my doctor went very conservative on the settings. I bet if my doctor went with higher coverage % with the Repair it would have blown the CO2 results out of the water.

And one may think that if they went more aggressive one the Repair then I would have suffered pigmentation like the CO2, but I am not so sure. See, after having the old school CO2 treatment done, the skin peeled, but you could see the skin had a tough time healing. There was no "bridges" connection good tissue from bad. So it healed REALLY slow, like a scraping your knee on concrete would. When I had the repair it literally healed by day 3. I'd also argue that the hyper-pigmentation was different. It was more of a dark fleshy-colored pinkish from the Repair where as the Ultrapulse hyper-pigmentation was a very bright pink.

I plan on having another Repair done , at a much higher setting, in May when class ends. I will opt for the entire cheek-temple area to make any remnants of Hyper-pigmentation less obvious.

Good luck!

My 3 co2 laser fraxel:repair journal w/ photos-

http://www.acne.org/...s/#entry3248488

 

 

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http://ajcn.nutritio...t/86/1/107.full


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:31 AM

Thank you for the update and good luck on the next repair! Hope your HYPER-pigmentation will be gone by then Posted Image

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

Thank you for the update and good luck on the next repair! Hope your HYPER-pigmentation will be gone by then cheer.gif

Hey Fruits, long time no see!

 

I sure hope my hyperpigmentation is gone by then too or I'll be in deep water. turtle.gif


My 3 co2 laser fraxel:repair journal w/ photos-

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

Hey collegeboy! I've kind of been lurking on here, and i'm dying to know how your recovery is going, so i decided to make a profile. Just so I could say, I'm dying of suspense over here! My scars are SO much like yours, mainly just textural issues with enlarged/scarred pores, but enough to bug me. So i was wondering how much improvment you saw on your pores from your first fractionated co2 laser alone, and if any scarred pores went back to regular size, and then how much improvement you've seen from the fully ablative procedure on your pores in particular. You're just so positive and i look forward to hearing about your improvment! Thanks (:


Sorry man. Been real busy. Honestly? Stick with the Repair or DeepFX. The ultrapulse (100% ablation) is too agressive and the results were not as good as the repair was. I will do another repair in a few months (after spring semester). There is definitely an improvement with the Fraxel: Repair when it comes to textural and pores.

Good luck!

PS quote my message if you want a quick reply otherwise I dont know that you asking me a question since I rarely long on the boards these days.

Thanks!

Thanks so much for replying! That info was super helpful, although i'm sorry you've had such a rough time with the hyperpigmentation. I'm sure it'll all be worth it (: I can't wait to see how your next repair goes and i hope you keep us updated!



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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:10 PM

Hey all... sorry if I have disappeared off the face of the earth.  I just wanted to come on to give a little more feedback now that is has been.... (doing some math ..) ... 4 months and 1 week. I was so disappointed by the redness that I started to "not care" or really even examine my skin as I did in the past. I tried to be less compulsive with looking at my skin in all different types of reflections as it can make a person go insane! I also purchased a big new truck which has a rear-view mirror much further from my face than my previous tiny truck. This made it easier to not look at my reflection every time I was driving. LOL... that felt weird typing.

 

Anyways... long story short, after catching my reflection in the "bad lighting" on a few occasions in the past 2-3 weeks I was actually a bit amazed to see that my scars have improved. I guess looking at your skin on a daily basis not only makes it difficult to see any day-to-day improvement but it also makes you dwell over the smallest of flaws. I guess what I am saying is, the ultrapulse CO2 laser did have some decent results. Its still not a one-and-done miracle procedure but I suppose it is on par with the Fraxel: Repair that I had previously.

 

Though, my face is STILL red.... well, pink. Its nothing obvious or atrocious like it was previously but still a bit annoying seeing as how its month 4. Hopefully this means that there is still some collagen improvements to come. 

 

With all that being said, I will NEVER have another Ultrapulse CO2 100% ablative laser done again as the downtime and redness is about a 30x worse than the fractionated "deeper" laser treatments such as the Repair or DeepFX. I plan on having ANOTHER repair May 25th after my last final exam for school.

 

Keep you all posted!

 

Oh... I can't remember if I posted this previously but heres a tip for those who are planning a future treatment-

 

I realized the redness would get much MUCH worse after being outside on cold windy days. This holds true even MONTHS after having the laser treatment. I learned that my skin would withstand the harsher elements better if I didn't wash my face with a mild foaming soap like Cetaphil or CereVe. On days where I knew I would be outside (I do often, as I work in construction) I would wash my face with just water. This helped my redness out a lot.


My 3 co2 laser fraxel:repair journal w/ photos-

http://www.acne.org/...s/#entry3248488

 

 

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http://ajcn.nutritio...t/86/1/107.full


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:06 AM

Hey all... sorry if I have disappeared off the face of the earth.  I just wanted to come on to give a little more feedback now that is has been.... (doing some math ..) ... 4 months and 1 week. I was so disappointed by the redness that I started to "not care" or really even examine my skin as I did in the past. I tried to be less compulsive with looking at my skin in all different types of reflections as it can make a person go insane! I also purchased a big new truck which has a rear-view mirror much further from my face than my previous tiny truck. This made it easier to not look at my reflection every time I was driving. LOL... that felt weird typing.

 

Anyways... long story short, after catching my reflection in the "bad lighting" on a few occasions in the past 2-3 weeks I was actually a bit amazed to see that my scars have improved. I guess looking at your skin on a daily basis not only makes it difficult to see any day-to-day improvement but it also makes you dwell over the smallest of flaws. I guess what I am saying is, the ultrapulse CO2 laser did have some decent results. Its still not a one-and-done miracle procedure but I suppose it is on par with the Fraxel: Repair that I had previously.

 

Though, my face is STILL red.... well, pink. Its nothing obvious or atrocious like it was previously but still a bit annoying seeing as how its month 4. Hopefully this means that there is still some collagen improvements to come. 

 

With all that being said, I will NEVER have another Ultrapulse CO2 100% ablative laser done again as the downtime and redness is about a 30x worse than the fractionated "deeper" laser treatments such as the Repair or DeepFX. I plan on having ANOTHER repair May 25th after my last final exam for school.

 

Keep you all posted!

 

Oh... I can't remember if I posted this previously but heres a tip for those who are planning a future treatment-

 

I realized the redness would get much MUCH worse after being outside on cold windy days. This holds true even MONTHS after having the laser treatment. I learned that my skin would withstand the harsher elements better if I didn't wash my face with a mild foaming soap like Cetaphil or CereVe. On days where I knew I would be outside (I do often, as I work in construction) I would wash my face with just water. This helped my redness out a lot.

 

Hi CollegeBoy,

 

That sounds good. I'm glad that your scars have improved. I hope you're able to shed light on a few things.

Would you be able to post some pictures so that we could see the difference?

I remember from your previous posts that some of your boxscars changed shape and turned into a 'boomerang' shape. Did it finally resolve itself?

What about your other boxscars? Did they improve or change shape as well?

And interestingly, how about your icepick scars? I'd really like to know whether your treatments had have had any impact on those?

Finally, (this may sound quite naive) did 'ANY' of your scars, even the tiniest ones, disappear or were eliminated?

 

Thanks, and keep us posted. You have no idea how inspiring your thread is.

 

P.S. I'm due for a Total FX next week Tuesday, and tips for a first timer?



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:02 PM

Any guesstimate of improvement after your two lasers collegeboy?



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:40 PM


 

Hi CollegeBoy,

 

That sounds good. I'm glad that your scars have improved. I hope you're able to shed light on a few things.

Would you be able to post some pictures so that we could see the difference?

I remember from your previous posts that some of your boxscars changed shape and turned into a 'boomerang' shape. Did it finally resolve itself?

What about your other boxscars? Did they improve or change shape as well?

And interestingly, how about your icepick scars? I'd really like to know whether your treatments had have had any impact on those?

Finally, (this may sound quite naive) did 'ANY' of your scars, even the tiniest ones, disappear or were eliminated?

 

Thanks, and keep us posted. You have no idea how inspiring your thread is.

 

P.S. I'm due for a Total FX next week Tuesday, and tips for a first timer?

 

Yes I will post some photos. But a few months ago I tried to compare photos and it was difficult to see improvement due to different lighting, camera angles, terrible quality cell phone pictures and just the fact that my scars were small to begin with.

 

In regards to that boxcar scar that changed shape into a boomerang as I called it, that scar is gone, 100%. Let me re-explain that scar in case I may have confused some people. That was a rather wide boxcar scar (though wasn't THAT deep), and pretty noticeable as it was closer to the fore-front of my face ( about an inch or so from my nose). I actually tried pulling up the original photos I posted to see that scar and surprisingly you really can't see it. I say surprisingly because it was one of my most hated scars.

 

Anyways, the first Fraxel:Repair I had was what really made it change shape. Actually, the major improvement in that scar is what gave me the proof I personally needed to have confidence in going forward with future treatments. What was once a squarish boxcar scar was literally changing shapes because one half of the scar was "filling up" or "raising" at a faster rate than the other side of the scar. This all starting happening about 20+ days out if I remember correctly. This post-laser improvement also showed evidence that this was an actual improvement and not swelling from the initial treatment. Anyways, 6 months later... before having the Ultrapulse CO2 done, That scar was about 95% improved. AFTER having the Ultrapulse CO2, I no longer see that scar at all.

 

This was enough evidence for myself that my scars to have positive reactions to the lasers. Why other scars did not improve as dramatically as that specific scar I will never know. I personally believe that that area was hit more aggressive as it was a "starting point" from where  the doctor rolled the fraxel repair hand piece outward in all directions. The face got pretty bloody so I can see how a doctor may have overlapped on that spot a few times.

 

Another reason that I felt I have had some pretty big improvements (as Its hard to remember what my skin looked like a year ago after seeing it every day) is that you just asked how my ice pick scars are. I totally forgot I even had ice-pick scars. The scars that remain I wouldnt even classify as ice-pick scars. If anything, they are more like big pores now... and even that may be an overstatement considering I am adult man with oily skin and raging hormones. I would not expect a person such as myself to have poreless, smooth skin like a woman may have.

 

The scars that bother me at this point are boxcar scars. My biggest one, the one you can see in the original photo still remains, though I believe is much smaller than it used to be. Again, I tried to compare photos a few months ago but its hard to see the improvement as my original photos don't really show the depth of the scar. And I have a few other  boxcar scars that seem pretty shallow at this point. I am hoping that another fraxel repair, more aggressive than the first will really help fill in whats left.

 

Post photos soon.

 

Oh and Alex, I am really glad to hear you are finally having the laser done. If I could give any advice I would say... urge the doctor to go aggressive on the coverage % of the DeepFX ( I believe a conservative depth is fine for your scars as they looked fairly shallow).  I think most of your improvements will come from the DeepFX as the ActiveFX is a VERY VERY shallow treatment. 

 

I feel that with fractionated lasers, its best to go aggressive, with more down-time and less treatments than to go with 4-5 mild/conservative laser treatments that you must wait 6 whole months in between. I think aggressiveness with fractionated lasers are ok... as I healed incredibly quick. But you already know my opinion on non-fractionated, flat-beam , CO2 lasers. LOL.

 

Good luck bud! Keep me posted.

 

 

 

Any guesstimate of improvement after your two lasers collegeboy?

 

From the Repair and the Ultrapulse... I'd say.... it varies scar to scar. Some disappeared, some seemed to have barely changed. If I had to throw out a number I'd say 35%? I dont know... its hard to remember what my scars looked like a year ago. I am also very critical of my own skin so I am pretty good at making a mountain out of a mole hill. All I Know is that I have improvement. Even the smallest of improvement tells me that my skin issues are fixable in time.


My 3 co2 laser fraxel:repair journal w/ photos-

http://www.acne.org/...s/#entry3248488

 

 

Good read-

http://ajcn.nutritio...t/86/1/107.full


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:09 PM

Thank you for the information college boy..You sound like you realistically like to observe things:)

I am looking forward for the pics.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

Oh Collegeboy, I completely forgot about something. I understand that the photos you've taken so far have come from your smartphone. I was wondering if your doctor took some pictures him/herself from before you had your first repair, so as to compare the improvements you've so far had from your Repair and MaxFX treatments.



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Posted 13 March 2013 - 08:04 PM

appreciate the updates and keep em coming! you know, it's so easy to just neglect coming back sometimes...



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:42 AM

Thank you for the update and good luck on the next repair! Hope your HYPER-pigmentation will be gone by then cheer.gif

Hey Fruits, long time no see!

 

I sure hope my hyperpigmentation is gone by then too or I'll be in deep water. turtle.gif

Hey first time on here but just wanted to know if you have tried obagi nu derm. I use the blender and the clear and then Retin A .1%. works pretty awesome. Would probably help alot with your hyper pigmentation but if you use it every night will def give you some peeling but its worth it. :)



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:40 AM

CollegBoy, I had forgot about this thread.  I totally agree that people should go agressive with Re:pair and DeepFX.  Mine were all done at max setting.  After my first Re:pair I was so swollen I was unregognizable and I achieved about a 30% improvement.  After the second one that figure was up to about 50-60% which provided the most dramatic change, and convinced me to continue treatments.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:20 AM

Collegeboy thank you so much for coming back and keeping us updated. So far this has been the most helpful review that I've found. I am scheduled for my first fraxel repair treatment in June. So excited yet nervous!! You mentioned that you found hydroquinone 4% from a reputable Indian online company? can you please tell us the name? that would be very helpful. One tube cost me so much from CVS :(



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 07:27 PM

Collegeboy thank you so much for coming back and keeping us updated. So far this has been the most helpful review that I've found. I am scheduled for my first fraxel repair treatment in June. So excited yet nervous!! You mentioned that you found hydroquinone 4% from a reputable Indian online company? can you please tell us the name? that would be very helpful. One tube cost me so much from CVS sad.png

 

I have been pretty busy as of late so I apologize for the late response. I don't often check the forums so send me a PM or quote me so the forums sends me an email.

 

https://www.alldaych...ite-30-gm-.html 

 

is the site that I have purchased retinA and hydroquinone in the past. The medications are definitely legit. Most insurance companies don't cover bleaching agents but CVS and Costco charged about 25 dollars a bottle.

 

I am having another fraxel laser treatment in 6 days myself. The doctor is going with a depth of 1000 @ 50% coverage (5 passes). This is a bit more aggressive than my first fraxel repair. After surviving 2 old school CO2 laser treatments I feel comfortable with an aggressive repair. I feel aggressive repairs yield the greatest results as Dudley has pointed out.

 

Good luck to you.

 

I'll post photos of my swollen bloody face Friday! 

 

Woooooohooooooooooooooooo vacation.


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http://ajcn.nutritio...t/86/1/107.full


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:03 AM

AllDayChemist is the real thing. I have ordered generic Viagra from them 4 times for one twentieth the price of American Viagra.  My younger friends have also tried it and they can't get enough of it.  I am happy to see that you are realizing the benefits of aggressive Fraxel Re:pair.  You should experience less swelling with each subsequent Re:pair treatment.  I assume when you mention depth of 1000 you are talking about 1 mm, and I also assume that would equate to a setting of 50-60mj.  My next step will be a facelift (I am older than others on here), which I may follow with my 6th Re:pair as needed. 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

Though I will say, Suzanne Kilmer is no slouch of a doctor. She is rated by News Week and Self Magazine as one of Americans top 10 laser surgeons. She has also made appearances on the Oprah show and the View, so I would hope she is not ripping me for my money. But the jury is still out as I hope to see better results before the 6 month mark.

 

If I ask for her to do my treatment, will she? I'm planning on traveling there to have a consultation as no one in my city offers ablative lasers. I read a review on realself that said a nurse does treatment but I think the person did restore and posted it in the wrong section, but I'm just making sure.






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