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[pollodigomma]

http://www.lumenis.c...s/pr_1335047336

Do you think this could have any relevance to us?

[DudleyDoRight]

Very interesting! Nice find! Lumenis of course makes DeepFX. There is really no info out there except for the press release, but I will be watching this one.

Edited by DudleyDoRight, 23 April 2012 - 05:11 AM.

[*strawberry]

dudley, do you have any information about the penetration / ablation depth of the fraxel repair?

(preferably a table or chart with mj details)

[DudleyDoRight]

dudley, do you have any information about the penetration / ablation depth of the fraxel repair?

(preferably a table or chart with mj details)

Rather than me trying to explain this read SanJoseSkins comments on this topic. He knows way more than I do.
http://www.acne.org/...eeks-ago-ugghh/

This is an old chart
http://www.miinews.c...t_v2_022709.pdf

A lot of info.

http://www.acne.org/...er-link-o-rama/http://www.acne.org/...er-link-o-rama/

I am watching this product very carefully. It is the only thing released since 2008 that has peaked my interest. There is not much information available at this time, and if it is like Fraxel Re:pair it might cost 5K at first, although FX has been historically cheaper than Re:pair.

Edited by DudleyDoRight, 25 April 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[*strawberry]

Rather than me trying to explain this read SanJoseSkins comments on this topic. He knows way more than I do.
http://www.acne.org/...eeks-ago-ugghh/

#32
"Look at this video, and pause the video right at 0:42 seconds. Pause it, and you will see a histology slide for 70 mj. You can see the total lesion depth at 70 mj is 1.5mm. You can also clearly see the ablation vs thermal zone 2 thermal damage, which penetrates down achieving the 1.5mm lesion depth, or more commonly the averaged lesion depth of 1.6mm that is advertised.
This wonderfully shows that the ablation depth is actually around .600-.700mm if we are visually estimating, the remainder is about .900mm or approx 1mm of thermal damage. The ablation depth plus thermal damage depths add up to give you lesion depth of 1.5mm or 1.6mm."


this is somewhat helpful, thanks!

(my repair was done at half the energy level mentioned above. based on this comment the penetration depth @ 30mj might be around 0.7 mm, with maybe 0.25 mm ablation depth ...)

[DudleyDoRight]

Strawberry, can you come back with that link? I would like to see that.

Unrelated but some might find this site interesting.
http://www.consultingroom.com/News/

Edited by DudleyDoRight, 26 April 2012 - 05:21 AM.

[pollodigomma]

http://www.medscape....warticle/762631

Move along.

[*strawberry]

Strawberry, can you come back with that link? I would like to see that.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=avxWy8Jbl8M

[DudleyDoRight]

I want to read some real specs on the difference between SCAAR FX and fraxionalized Ablative CO2. I will see if I can pull anything from Germany.

[sanjoseskin]

I'm so glad you posted this. This laser seems to possibly be the hope many scar patients have been waiting for.

Does anyone know more about this laser? There is very limited information right now online.

Is it available in the US yet? Any clinical trials here? Is it FDA approved yet? etc etc

[DudleyDoRight]

Heck SanJoseSkin I was hoping you would post and explain. You did such a good job on Deep FX and Re:pair that I have referred people to your posts for some time.

[sanjoseskin]

Heck SanJoseSkin I was hoping you would post and explain. You did such a good job on Deep FX and Re:pair that I have referred people to your posts for some time.

Hi DudleyDoRight...unfortunately I can't find any information about this new laser, other than it goes up to 4.0mm deep. Which is amazing. It seems a doctor in Italy is the only doctor I could find that has said anything about this laser. I just hope this doesn't mean that it is ages away from FDA approval here in the states.

This laser has me so excited because it appears it was designed specifically for people like us and other scar sufferers.

[DudleyDoRight]

Heck SanJoseSkin I was hoping you would post and explain. You did such a good job on Deep FX and Re:pair that I have referred people to your posts for some time.

Hi DudleyDoRight...unfortunately I can't find any information about this new laser, other than it goes up to 4.0mm deep. Which is amazing. It seems a doctor in Italy is the only doctor I could find that has said anything about this laser. I just hope this doesn't mean that it is ages away from FDA approval here in the states.

This laser has me so excited because it appears it was designed specifically for people like us and other scar sufferers.

If it goes that deep they are looking at a lot more applications than just the skin. I wonder if they are looking at muscle injuries.

[sanjoseskin]

Heck SanJoseSkin I was hoping you would post and explain. You did such a good job on Deep FX and Re:pair that I have referred people to your posts for some time.

Hi DudleyDoRight...unfortunately I can't find any information about this new laser, other than it goes up to 4.0mm deep. Which is amazing. It seems a doctor in Italy is the only doctor I could find that has said anything about this laser. I just hope this doesn't mean that it is ages away from FDA approval here in the states.

This laser has me so excited because it appears it was designed specifically for people like us and other scar sufferers.

If it goes that deep they are looking at a lot more applications than just the skin. I wonder if they are looking at muscle injuries.

I don't think 4.0mm is deep enough to go through skin and fat to reach muscle.

I have a feeling this isn't a new laser after all, instead this new Scaar Fx mode might work with their current UltraPulse Fractional CO2 adding to the Active Fx, Deep Fx, and Total Fx modes. I'm thinking maybe a simple software update or new hand piece attachment, which is good news... means we can see this sooner than later. Can't wait for more details to become available. I wonder if there are any doctors in the US using it already, or doing trials?

[DudleyDoRight]

SanJoseSkin it does seem that if this was a new breakthrough there would be more press on it. Still I am watching it.

[LZOMG]

they updated there website
http://www.aesthetic....com/ultrapulse
it shows the SCAAR FX compared to the other FXs. You can clearly see that the laser goes right past the dermis and even penetrates into the subcutanous layer, And no deeper so it does not laser away your muscle tissue. It uses the same handpiece as the DEEP FX so the laser size width is also the same, only difference is the SCAAR FX goes deeper.

SCAAR FX "Treats deep conspicuous and complex scars"

Hope my info helped out on yalls research, and I want to see this thing in the states and its results right now!

Edited by LZOMG, 23 May 2012 - 09:58 PM.

[pollodigomma]

If this thing turns out to be just a “DeeperFX”, I’m afraid it might only be beneficial to (a) hypertrophic scarring and (b) scarring in thick-skin areas, like the back. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there’s no benefit in reaching beyond the dermis when treating atrophic scarring, and we know the skin on the face is not that thick.

All in all, this might be good news for some, but no news for most of the people on these boards.

[LZOMG]

If this thing turns out to be just a “DeeperFX”, I’m afraid it might only be beneficial to (a) hypertrophic scarring and (b) scarring in thick-skin areas, like the back. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there’s no benefit in reaching beyond the dermis when treating atrophic scarring, and we know the skin on the face is not that thick.

All in all, this might be good news for some, but no news for most of the people on these boards.

Ice Pick scars usually form in the deep dermis and often times can extend into the subcutanious layer, so having a laser that can go just as deep as ice pick scars is great news. Since lasers dont usually do that much for deep ice pick scars, perhaps this laser could be the first to change all of that.

[sanjoseskin]

If this thing turns out to be just a “DeeperFX”, I’m afraid it might only be beneficial to (a) hypertrophic scarring and (b) scarring in thick-skin areas, like the back. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there’s no benefit in reaching beyond the dermis when treating atrophic scarring, and we know the skin on the face is not that thick.

All in all, this might be good news for some, but no news for most of the people on these boards.

It is going to be just a "DeeperFX", that's the point! What else were you expecting? 4mm vs 1-1.5 mm is an amazing advancement. Especially for acne scar sufferers who usually have deep rooted scar fibers.

We are also talking about 4mm not 4 inches, so yes the thickness of the facial skin can handle it.

Anyway, I'm so excited, I can't wait for more information and details to come out about ScaarFX.

[pollodigomma]

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