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Just Tried Skin Needling For The First Time

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So I just tried my very first session of skin needling on Thursday. It's been 3 days and I'm already seeing a reduction in hyperpigmentation and my scars appear more shallow. I'm kind of stunned, I wasn't expecting it to really work that great.. I've learned not to get my hopes up after a lot of disappointments with past treatments. The Esthetician said I should see pretty significant results between day 5 and day 14 and that my skin will continue to improve for up to a year.

For those of you who haven't heard of skin needling, it's done with a dry tattoo gun. Each little needle penetrates the skin and the body perceives this as an injury and therefore begins collagen production which plumps up pitted scars, smooths wrinkles and improves pigment. She applied a numbing cream to my face 30 minutes prior to the needling. It hurt... but not bad enough to stop or to make me reconsider a second session, though. My skin was red and felt somewhat like a sunburn afterward for the entire duration of the evening, but by the next day I looked back to normal. I'm really hoping this will be the answer I've been looking for to feel pretty on my wedding day! I just wanted to share with any of you who are also looking for an answer to your scars/dark marks. I'll keep you posted!


"I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I'm out of control, and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best." -Marilyn Monroe


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Desperately trying to turn the state of the Scar Forum around. But I'm just one person.

Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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yeah, i think it's micro-swelling and usually last only a few days...3 days is too early to tell..it's a long process and you need to have patients to see the improvement...that's what I heard when i did research...

do you have before and after photo? i've never tried needling myself...how deep your scars are? mines are shallow side...but its wide area on my cheeks...

hope you will look gorgeous on your wedding day smile.png

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What you're seeing are referred to as transitory changes. They are temporary and are for the reasons the previous posters describe.

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A tattoo needle, eh? Not to be a dick but even the smallest available tattoo needle (0.35mm diameter) is too big. It's going to do more harm than good. A needle for PCI should be no larger than 0.25mm in diameter.

The improvement you're seeing now is microswelling, true results simply cannot show after 3 days, not even 14 days, the remodeling process takes months. Even after the remodling process is complete, you'll still need many more treatments because one session is never enough.

So yeah, don't do that again. Read up on dermarolling, I recommend owndoc. http://dermaroller.owndoc.com and http://forum.owndoc.com

I just thought I'd pop in to read this and saw this post. I don't want to be harsh either, but you DO sound like a dick. The poster never stated she used a tattoo needle, just that whatever needle was in a tattoo gun. I don't know much about the whole thing at all, but there is no need to write what you did in the way you did, you sound kinda horrible, I mean 'don't do that again'.

I know this is a case of 'omg something is wrong on the internet' from me, but I thought I should say something.

I hope you get the results you are after 'the uphill battle', I'm sure you'll look pretty on your wedding day regardless!


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Desperately trying to turn the state of the Scar Forum around. But I'm just one person.

Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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I just thought I'd pop in to read this and saw this post. I don't want to be harsh either, but you DO sound like a dick. The poster never stated she used a tattoo needle, just that whatever needle was in a tattoo gun. I don't know much about the whole thing at all, but there is no need to write what you did in the way you did, you sound kinda horrible, I mean 'don't do that again'.

I know this is a case of 'omg something is wrong on the internet' from me, but I thought I should say something.

I hope you get the results you are after 'the uphill battle', I'm sure you'll look pretty on your wedding day regardless!

Tattoo guns can't hold any needles but tattoo needles.. 'Don't do that again' was serious advice, op will potentially damage their face permanently if they do. I'm not sure what you see wrong with it, maybe you're reading it incorrectly.

Maybe I am a dick for bursting op's bubble, but there's really no other way to tell someone they're damaging their face and the results she's seeing are temporary when she's being lied to by her esthetician, or the esthetician simply doesn't understand how microneedling and collagen induction works. I'd rather tell them and be seen as a tosser than sit back and watch them spend money on something fruitless.

I was just saying maybe you should try to be a bit more careful about how you say things (type things really) as it came across quite rude. I gave that line as an example as it sounded like an order, like what an angry parent would bark at a small child. I understand that you meant well.


Started (Ro)Accutane :)

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Month 2- 50mg

Month 3- 50mg

I literally do not care what you think about accutane, it was MY choice to take it, respect that.


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Desperately trying to turn the state of the Scar Forum around. But I'm just one person.

Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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I didn't interpret what Nope.avi said as being rude. He/she was giving good advice and making the potential consequences of the OP's actions clear. This is not a psychological support board, we're all here to discuss what works and what doesn't, as well as address misconceptions and save people trouble.

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Please keep updating to let us know if these results were temporary or permanent.

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Geez... I wasn't expecting such harsh responses. I just wanted to share my experience and give others a potential solution to their scars. I know the Esthetician very well and I trust her. She has been performing skin needling on herself for years and even though she's like 60, her skin is incredible. She also provided this treatment for her daughter who had severe, severe cystic acne in her 20's; skin needling improved her scars and ultimately changed her life. I know the whole concept of skin needling sounds crazy and weird, but my results are legitimate. I want to clarify that the needling never caused me to bleed or anything. I have tattoos and it didn't feel like my face was getting tattooed, the needles really just felt more like a scratching sensation. They are merely brushed across the skin.

Maybe this will help explain it better than I can:

Anyways, it is totally up to you to decide if you think skin needling is worth your time or not, I just thought the whole point of this website was to try to give each other ideas, potential solutions and support. So this was my experience, I'm just throwing it out there, take it how you will.


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Desperately trying to turn the state of the Scar Forum around. But I'm just one person.

Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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Well, keep in mind I had numbing cream put on 30 minutes prior, that may be why it only felt like scratching to me. Anyways, tired of defending myself. My skin looks great and I'm really happy. I'll think twice next time I try to post any successes.

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"I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I'm out of control, and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best." -Marilyn Monroe


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Well, keep in mind I had numbing cream put on 30 minutes prior, that may be why it only felt like scratching to me. Anyways, tired of defending myself. My skin looks great and I'm really happy. I'll think twice next time I try to post any successes.

I don't think anyone is being rude - they're trying to help you.

You're not defending yourself...your defending faulty skin care practices that have been performed on you (and will cause you harm if you continue them).

Their statements are indeed backed up by science - please listen to them so you don't end up with permanent damage :)

Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials!

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Maybe it is coincidence that my skin has improved, but all l I know is my skin looks better than it has in years. Thanks for everyone's concerns, but I'm going to be okay!


"I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I'm out of control, and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best." -Marilyn Monroe


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good to hear that your happy with the results youve gotten out of dermarolling.


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Hey the uphill battle,

Anyways, it is totally up to you to decide if you think skin needling is worth your time or not, I just thought the whole point of this website was to try to give each other ideas, potential solutions and support. So this was my experience, I'm just throwing it out there, take it how you will.

And that's exactly what we need more of. Don't mind some of the people here. They may be trying to help but there are ways of saying things. We need to encourage more people to share their experiences regarding scar treatments instead of shooting them down.

Also, I can confirm that the 'scratching sensation' is an accurate description. I have had Dermapen treatments (0.15mm needle width) going in at 1.5mm, and it does indeed feel like a scratching sensation due to the speed of the needles going in.

Good luck the uphill battle and thanks for sharing your experience. Hopefully you can come back and share your long term results.

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Desperately trying to turn the state of the Scar Forum around. But I'm just one person.

Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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Also, I can confirm that the 'scratching sensation' is an accurate description. I have had Dermapen treatments (0.15mm needle width) going in at 1.5mm, and it does indeed feel like a scratching sensation due to the speed of the needles going in.

Great, but that's not what this thread is about. Dermapen =/= dry tattooing. One is worth trying, one is something to avoid.

A quick search shows me that tattoo needles do in fact come with a needle diameter of 0.25mm which is the standard size of derma stamp needles. And this is assuming it was a normal tattoo gun and not a modified one. Now let's see if you practice what you preach and apologize to the OP.

http://forum.thetattooshop.co.uk/forum/topic/tattoo-needles-sizes

>And that's exactly what we need more of.

Pushing bullshit treatments? On this board? lol. I'm all for sharing experiences, but this is just a harmful procedure, 0.35mm (tattoo) needles create more scar tissue

Nope, we need people that actually know what they're talking about. You neither have the experience or knowledge to comment on this procedure.

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Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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I don't care about Sarah Vaughter, the fact is you were wrong and you need to own up to it.

If the needles were in fact 0.25mm, woo, but I find it unlikely they were.

Yeah, just like I thought, you don't care about helping the OP, you just want to be right. Next time think before you leap into a thread like this with BS information.

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Occasionally I'll tell you to go to [link removed]. There is no affiliation, there is just simply too much misinformation about needling on this board (and internet in general)

Peer review or get the f*ck out! No folk remedies please.


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Oh this is getting pathetic now.

Yeah, just like I thought, you don't care about helping the OP, you just want to be right. Next time think before you leap into a thread like this with BS information.

Which is exactly what I'm doing by advising against this bullshit. Email some tattoo needle vendors, they'll tell you they don't have/can't get them. I don't have much of a problem with being wrong, but your forum link that is just some guy saying "size 8 is 0.25mm" is silly.

Look pal, stop trying to claw your way out of being wrong. You. Are. Wrong. Deal with it. If that forum link isn't good enough for you then simply search "tattoo needles size 8 0.25mm" on Google. I'm guessing you're now going to argue that it's all a conspiracy and that those needles don't actually exist.

Coming from someone who refused to help people find vendors for kit needed to make PRP with this reasoning

:lol: This is a new low, even for you. Even though it's completely irrelevant i'll indulge you anyway. It wasn't to help people find a kit, it was one person (singular) asking me to list everything I bought individually and the website I bought it from. It was simply laziness on his part.

When I read a post I like it to be to the point, I grant others the same luxury.

Well I hope i've been to the point. Now where's that apology for the OP?

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