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[DaftFrost]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.

Basically theres 2 forces that make up the universe. Yin and Yang, you guys might have heard of it, it's the black and white fish like symbols in a circle.

One is the opposite of the other, both has to be in balance to exist properly. It works same way with our health.

Here go here and read: https://www.acufinde...and+Food+Choice

Acne is caused by excessive Heat or the Yang, and most sufferers are thin right? I really don't have anything else to say, please share your thoughts below.

Now you MUST MUST MUST read this: http://medherb.com/T...cne_and_TCM.htm


It pretty much explains all that we were trying to find out. THe foods we should aviod and such.

Edited by DaftFrost, 01 April 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[alternativista]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

[DaftFrost]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

It's just more probablity probably, but I can't be sure.
The yin and Yang concept in chinese medicine seems to be really interesting, it just pretty much had everything we needed to know.

People with more "yang" tends to be active and hyper due to the nature of Yang, and they tend to be more thinner. People with more "Yang" are the opposite. When Yang is excessive, it tries to escape from the body as whats called Acne. If you have dampness in your body, its worse since it creates whats called "Damp Heat" which usually appears as cysts.

And this heat and cold isn't related to actual heat or cold, they are the nature in food, The concept is able to explain anything in a simple way without advance scientific terms. According to it, women break out during their periods because they use some of their Yin for fertality. That causes a slight imbalance, so there is more Yang or heat.

And for a fact, I know that it exists in a spiritual way. I practice a Japanese martial arts where you use your QI or mostly Yang energy to assist yourself in combat. Without the requirement of much physical strength, with QI or KI (japanese) you are given more energy and strength. Not entirely strength since all it requires is the intention in the mind and a relaxed body.

Edited by DaftFrost, 03 April 2012 - 02:28 PM.

[Jenny P]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

Actually most acne sufferes are. So many people notice this fact that there are tons of threads from people asking WHY most acne sufferers are thin.

He is not the only one that noticed it. Many many other people notice it, Including me.

[FSAS]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

It's just more probablity probably, but I can't be sure.
The yin and Yang concept in chinese medicine seems to be really interesting, it just pretty much had everything we needed to know.

People with more "yang" tends to be active and hyper due to the nature of Yang, and they tend to be more thinner. People with more "Yang" are the opposite. When Yang is excessive, it tries to escape from the body as whats called Acne. If you have dampness in your body, its worse since it creates whats called "Damp Heat" which usually appears as cysts.

And this heat and cold isn't related to actual heat or cold, they are the nature in food, The concept is able to explain anything in a simple way without advance scientific terms. According to it, women break out during their periods because they use some of their Yin for fertality. That causes a slight imbalance, so there is more Yang or heat.

And for a fact, I know that it exists in a spiritual way. I practice a Japanese martial arts where you use your QI or mostly Yang energy to assist yourself in combat. Without the requirement of much physical strength, with QI or KI (japanese) you are given more energy and strength. Not entirely strength since all it requires is the intention in the mind and a relaxed body.

is there a list of foods that can reblanace?
if the yang is excessive then wouldn't we all have gotten acne at the same time? aka puberty when hormones are at their highest?
I never got acne then, i got it when i was 19 (20 now). and it is however constant. but why now?
this reminds me of the traditional indian type medicines, i forgot what it was called but it was about pita or something and how we're each one of 3 types and need to eat cooling foods. yet carrots are on the no no list and so is spinache and those are really good for you so i dunno.

I dont even know what im saying, I swear there are so many theories its freaky, i wish we actually KNEW and didnt have to just guess and put belief in things that probably wont do much :S

have you had success focusing on ying/yang?

[DaftFrost]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

It's just more probablity probably, but I can't be sure.
The yin and Yang concept in chinese medicine seems to be really interesting, it just pretty much had everything we needed to know.

People with more "yang" tends to be active and hyper due to the nature of Yang, and they tend to be more thinner. People with more "Yang" are the opposite. When Yang is excessive, it tries to escape from the body as whats called Acne. If you have dampness in your body, its worse since it creates whats called "Damp Heat" which usually appears as cysts.

And this heat and cold isn't related to actual heat or cold, they are the nature in food, The concept is able to explain anything in a simple way without advance scientific terms. According to it, women break out during their periods because they use some of their Yin for fertality. That causes a slight imbalance, so there is more Yang or heat.

And for a fact, I know that it exists in a spiritual way. I practice a Japanese martial arts where you use your QI or mostly Yang energy to assist yourself in combat. Without the requirement of much physical strength, with QI or KI (japanese) you are given more energy and strength. Not entirely strength since all it requires is the intention in the mind and a relaxed body.

is there a list of foods that can reblanace?
if the yang is excessive then wouldn't we all have gotten acne at the same time? aka puberty when hormones are at their highest?
I never got acne then, i got it when i was 19 (20 now). and it is however constant. but why now?
this reminds me of the traditional indian type medicines, i forgot what it was called but it was about pita or something and how we're each one of 3 types and need to eat cooling foods. yet carrots are on the no no list and so is spinache and those are really good for you so i dunno.

I dont even know what im saying, I swear there are so many theories its freaky, i wish we actually KNEW and didnt have to just guess and put belief in things that probably wont do much :S

have you had success focusing on ying/yang?

Yea i have been researching on Acne on various type levels. Spiritual, Yin Yang, and Scientific.

We are all born with different amounts of Yin yang balance. Some of us are more Yang based, some are more Yin based, and some are more balanced. If you are more Yin based, Yin means cold, still, motionless, and passive, so if you are more Yin based you would naturally love to gain more Yang by loving spicy foods, loving heaty foods, or not feeling thirsty most of the time.
And if you are more yang based, then you would love cold, you would move around, and just love to cool yourself.

During puberty there is more Yang produced, and Yin decreases. Yin is also used for fertility so it would decrease.
Then whats called Damp Heat is created in our body, which is in the blood and tries to escape. It is involved mostly with our Upper part of our body so our chest, face and neck. Then it is released through the skin, and show inflammatory symptoms which is the heat.

Heating foods are simply foods that offer instant energy, with lot of calories and bad quality fat which is common in USA. Cooling foods are usually grown in dim light, most vegetables and fruits are cooling. Egg white is cooling but the egg yolk is heating. Meat is heating, fat, refined sugar, all are heatnig.

Wheat is actually more on the cooling side but if its refined then its more on the heating side.


As a side note: If your meal just came from the stove then it may be hot, generally hot in thermal foods do contain more heat, so its better to cool it down.
Raw foods are more cooling than Cooked foods also.
Green apples are more cooling than Red Apples and so on..a

As for my progress, I just started taking this diet seriously a week ago. Not really any huge differences, I don't see new pimples but my current ones are all dry and I guess trying to fade away. that takes time. I'll just have to wait and see.
Eat WaterMelon they are really cooling, also exercise a lot and sweat to let your body leave the heat.

Edited by DaftFrost, 06 April 2012 - 09:29 AM.

[alternativista]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

Actually most acne sufferes are. So many people notice this fact that there are tons of threads from people asking WHY most acne sufferers are thin.

Actually, no they are not. Yes we see those posts all the time. And often polls. And the results are nearly 50/50. Many people see what they want to see. One thing that happens on this board is that those skinny people lose too much weight when stop eating crap and so they start a thread here asking how to avoid it.

I was not thin until I started eating right.

Also, you skinny people might want to look into histadelia and under methylators. We've had a few threads on it. Here's one: http://www.acne.org/...__fromsearch__1

Edited by alternativista, 06 April 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Jenny P]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

Actually most acne sufferes are. So many people notice this fact that there are tons of threads from people asking WHY most acne sufferers are thin.

Actually, no they are not. Yes we see those posts all the time. And often polls. And the results are nearly 50/50. Many people see what they want to see. One thing that happens on this board is that those skinny people lose too much weight when stop eating crap and so they start a thread here asking how to avoid it.

I was not thin until I started eating right.

Also, you skinny people might want to look into histadelia and under methylators. We've had a few threads on it. Here's one: http://www.acne.org/...__fromsearch__1

That's because people love to disprove theories by telling them they know a granparent or a sister or a friend OR some insignificant person that they have seen that was overweight and had acne.

But most people with acne are skinny. All the people you see that are trying to lose weight and say "Oh, I feel guilty I might gain weight if I eat this cheesecake." Their ONLY concern is gaining weight..we see these people all the time complain about gaining weight while they have perfectly clear skin. So most people that have trouble losing weight and that gain weight easily don't get much acne and people that have TROUBLE putting on weight seem to be the ones with acne.

[pugrocker]

I've seen tons of fat people with acne, but I am skinny with acne, but Im not gonna get all fat to see if my acne goes away. I'll let someone else try that one.

[Omnivium]

Actually, no they are not. Yes we see those posts all the time. And often polls. And the results are nearly 50/50. Many people see what they want to see. One thing that happens on this board is that those skinny people lose too much weight when stop eating crap and so they start a thread here asking how to avoid it.

I was not thin until I started eating right.

Also, you skinny people might want to look into histadelia and under methylators. We've had a few threads on it. Here's one: http://www.acne.org/...__fromsearch__1

I've seen you say this over and over in different threads, but I still think skinny people have worse acne than fat people. I see skinny people with severe acne all the time, but I have never seen a fat person with severe acne. Can you post links to those polls? And maybe there should be another poll...

[alternativista]

So this is an ancient chinese idea that I wanted to share.
most sufferers are thin right?

wrong

Actually most acne sufferes are. So many people notice this fact that there are tons of threads from people asking WHY most acne sufferers are thin.

Actually, no they are not. Yes we see those posts all the time. And often polls. And the results are nearly 50/50. Many people see what they want to see. One thing that happens on this board is that those skinny people lose too much weight when stop eating crap and so they start a thread here asking how to avoid it.

I was not thin until I started eating right.

Also, you skinny people might want to look into histadelia and under methylators. We've had a few threads on it. Here's one: http://www.acne.org/...__fromsearch__1

That's because people love to disprove theories by telling them they know a granparent or a sister or a friend OR some insignificant person that they have seen that was overweight and had acne.

But most people with acne are skinny. All the people you see that are trying to lose weight and say "Oh, I feel guilty I might gain weight if I eat this cheesecake." Their ONLY concern is gaining weight..we see these people all the time complain about gaining weight while they have perfectly clear skin. So most people that have trouble losing weight and that gain weight easily don't get much acne and people that have TROUBLE putting on weight seem to be the ones with acne.

Only if by 'most' you mean anything over 50%, then maybe. It is common for average and overweight people to have acne.

We have had polls of people posting about their own weight. I'll post one where the people claiming to be average and overweight is roughly equal to those claiming to be underweight. And overweight people are probably a tad bit less likely to answer the poll. http://www.acne.org/...age__hl__skinny The discussion includes some potentially useful info on what it might indicate such as malabsorption issues. I don't think this one has anything on the possible histadelia/methylation tendencies. And there's a link to a study that found that overweight children tend to be more acne prone.

To add to the heresay, I've seen plenty of people who were overweight with acne and seen many posts here who said they were overweight. Until I started to eat right, I had been a size or two larger than I should have been pretty much since my teen years. Which is about what I'd guess most people are referring to as 'average.' My ex-husband and his 3 sisters were also acne prone, not the kind of acne I got, but they had more than the occasional pimple. And only one of them was thin while capable of eating everything in sight. The others were 'average' to struggling to maintain weight. And then my ex-husband developed type II diabetes.

1) We just see a lot of posts from skinny people because when they cut out the sugar, trans fats and refined carbs, they have trouble maintaining their weight.
2) overweight people are less likely to tell us about it
3) 'average' people think nothing of it and therefore don't mention it.

And you notice what you want to notice.

Also, for those of you still in your teens and early twenties - your underweight tendencies might not last much longer.

Edited by alternativista, 07 April 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[alternativista]

Actually, no they are not. Yes we see those posts all the time. And often polls. And the results are nearly 50/50. Many people see what they want to see. One thing that happens on this board is that those skinny people lose too much weight when stop eating crap and so they start a thread here asking how to avoid it.

I was not thin until I started eating right.

Also, you skinny people might want to look into histadelia and under methylators. We've had a few threads on it. Here's one: http://www.acne.org/...__fromsearch__1

I've seen you say this over and over in different threads, but I still think skinny people have worse acne than fat people. I see skinny people with severe acne all the time, but I have never seen a fat person with severe acne. Can you post links to those polls? And maybe there should be another poll...

I just posted a link to one. And I have never noticed any such tendency in my decades of acne, and like most acne sufferers, I noticed everyone's skin.

also, I am going with the definitions of skinny as someone who can't gain weight even if they eat everything in sight. Since that might indicate a difference in bodily functions such as the malabsorption issues, hyperthyroid, histadelia and methylation issues, etc. And these people post here often about their issues, especially once they stop eating sugar, refined carbs etc.

Average is someone who can maintain weight and even those slightly over would probably consider themselves to be average. Like myself who usually wore a size or two larger clothing than I should, until I started eating right. And even now I have my problem areas and can easily gain weight. and these people probably think nothing of it so don't mention it.

And overweight people are less likely to tell us about it.

I will say that it has been my observation that it's mostly teen males that get severe acne and as teen males, they are usually quite thin. At least that used to be true. It might not be with the obesity rates today. But that's a temporary stage. And here, when I say mostly, I mean most, by far. I've seen very few other females that had severe acne like myself. Although they are a lot more likely to hide as much as they can. I think there are a lot more older males out there with severe acne scars like the actors Edward James Olmos, James Woods, Richard Strauss (or is it Peter?), my father, several coworkers I've had, etc.

Edited by alternativista, 07 April 2012 - 09:54 AM.

[DaftFrost]

Thing is, at school I know plenty of people with only mild acne or no acne at all and they are overweight.

From what I've seen all the kids with most acne are usually the skinny. The most ones with severe acne are all skinny.

[alternativista]

Thing is, at school I know plenty of people with only mild acne or no acne at all and they are overweight.

From what I've seen all the kids with most acne are usually the skinny. The most ones with severe acne are all skinny.

At high school? The thing is, it is normal to be thin when you are a teen and have many development processes going on that need fueling. And are the ones with severe acne teen males?

[DaftFrost]

Thing is, at school I know plenty of people with only mild acne or no acne at all and they are overweight.

From what I've seen all the kids with most acne are usually the skinny. The most ones with severe acne are all skinny.

At high school? The thing is, it is normal to be thin when you are a teen and have many development processes going on that need fueling. And are the ones with severe acne teen males?

Usually males but also girls to. I've never seen overweight girls with acne at my school atleast.

[Thehoper]

Most of the people I see who struggle with acne have great bodies. I was always in that category. Always played sports, was active, but at the same time it was a struggle to put on mass. I've battled for all the muscle I have and I still have no fat on my body. It's very hard for me to gain weight and too easy to lose weight. But yeah I've met a bunch of girls who had great bodies and struggled with acne, actually met one today lol.

The Yin Yang is no doubt true with everything in life, we always need balance. I believe the heating/cooling theory but it's still just trying to fix whatever the problem is. Our thyroids must be jacked up or something. Where are the scientists on this? Acne shouldn't even be that hard to figure out. Run a bunch of tests on people with acne and those without, there's gotta be answers somewhere, why isn't there more experiments and tests? thats what needs to be asked.

[annayake]

I would rather attempt at a psychological explanation.

1) People who are overweight tend to address that issue in the first place, at the time refusing to acknowledge the imperfection of their skin.

2) People who are active are more... proactive, so they're at the same time thin due to exercize and more likely to seek answers on their own rather than rely on derm's recommendations.

3) You thin acneic people (to whom I used to belong, but not anymore...) derive your confidence from making up with figure what you lack in complexion, but when one is both fat and pimple-y ( ) it might be hard to fight the urge to lock yourself under the key and never see sunlight again.

4) People, who don't have much social life due to having severe issues with their self esteem tend to withdraw into the online life and accept this type of existence, so they spend their time gaming online rather than browsing boards in order to find a cure they no longer believe in, and as we see there is no easy cure, all long-term succesful regimens are lifestyle diverting habits, and if you lack dedication and discipline to control the quantity of food and excersize you get, how can you attempt at trying to control this, and additionaly the quality of it? I guess discipline follows dedication, but they lack belief the circumstances that would bring them back to society are acheiveable, and I guess they are a bit uneasy after being retracted from the world for so long, and if further subverts their progress.

All in all, I got fat and still got acne. It wasn't any better, it wasn't any worse either. And when I got fat I noticed, that I wasn't skinny because I was destined to be. I ate a little. Whatever I wanted and as much as I wanted, but that was big portions Very Rarely. I could have forgotten for an entire day to get myself anything to eat if not reminded. Once I started eating more (I lost appetite due to stress, and couldn't say when and how much I should eat) I succesfully messed up my metabolism and I got fat allright, after previously being underweight for years despite getting virtually no excersize.

Your Theory Rendered Invalid by My Wise Example
Thank you all for your attention XD

[DaftFrost]

I would rather attempt at a psychological explanation.

1) People who are overweight tend to address that issue in the first place, at the time refusing to acknowledge the imperfection of their skin.

2) People who are active are more... proactive, so they're at the same time thin due to exercize and more likely to seek answers on their own rather than rely on derm's recommendations.

3) You thin acneic people (to whom I used to belong, but not anymore...) derive your confidence from making up with figure what you lack in complexion, but when one is both fat and pimple-y ( ) it might be hard to fight the urge to lock yourself under the key and never see sunlight again.

4) People, who don't have much social life due to having severe issues with their self esteem tend to withdraw into the online life and accept this type of existence, so they spend their time gaming online rather than browsing boards in order to find a cure they no longer believe in, and as we see there is no easy cure, all long-term succesful regimens are lifestyle diverting habits, and if you lack dedication and discipline to control the quantity of food and excersize you get, how can you attempt at trying to control this, and additionaly the quality of it? I guess discipline follows dedication, but they lack belief the circumstances that would bring them back to society are acheiveable, and I guess they are a bit uneasy after being retracted from the world for so long, and if further subverts their progress.

All in all, I got fat and still got acne. It wasn't any better, it wasn't any worse either. And when I got fat I noticed, that I wasn't skinny because I was destined to be. I ate a little. Whatever I wanted and as much as I wanted, but that was big portions Very Rarely. I could have forgotten for an entire day to get myself anything to eat if not reminded. Once I started eating more (I lost appetite due to stress, and couldn't say when and how much I should eat) I succesfully messed up my metabolism and I got fat allright, after previously being underweight for years despite getting virtually no excersize.

Your Theory Rendered Invalid by My Wise Example
Thank you all for your attention XD

Think of it like this, Skinny people have fast metabolism while fat people don't.

Skinny people eat whatever they want and they don't gain much. Fat people eat decent amount and then gain due to their slow metabolism.

So Skinny people would eat every sugary things because they want to gain weight, they aren't concerned of gaining weight since naturally they don't.
Fat people are concrned about what they are eating they try to atleast cut sugars and are more concerned about their appearance. They are just really hard to lose weight.

But whatever, more active people just have more Yang, and acne is due to excess Yang. Puberty, teens have much more sexual desire, naturally tend to be more active, and they have more Yang.

[alternativista]

So Skinny people would eat every sugary things because they want to gain weight, they aren't concerned of gaining weight since naturally they don't.
Fat people are concrned about what they are eating they try to atleast cut sugars and are more concerned about their appearance. They are just really hard to lose weight.

Yes. That skinny people might eat more crap than those that easily gain weight might also be a factor. so diet. And another example that shows that it just doesn't follow that 'fat people don't get acne' just because you think you see only skinny people with acne. Or that all these skinny people with acne have some underlying condition that makes them skinny and causes their acne.

So,
1) Teens/early twenties are usually thin. And tend to get acne.
2) People who are thin while eating anything they want are more likely to eat like crap. So it's diet. While people who gain weight are more likely to control their diets.

And some people might have a condition that affects their ability to gain weight and acne such as as the malabsorption issues, hyperthyroid, histadelia and methylation issues, previously mentioned.

Edited by alternativista, 08 April 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[tim12]

Maybe it isn't that skinny people are more prone to acne, but that there are more people that are skinny than there are obese (though this is constantly a growing number). Depends on the source, but usuaully statistics say that 30% of americans are overweight. I've never seen any solid clinical data that demonstrated a higher acne-proness in skinny people, probably because there isn't a relationship there. There's just more skinny people than obese people. Kinda obvious, really.

And to be clear, skinny and clear skinned doesn't mean what they are eating isn't having an impact on their health. There's definitely more overweight people than in the past, but the real epedemic is metabolic syndrome. Being clear skinned, big boned, skinny, obese, or ying/yang (not that I buy that) dominant doesn't mean much when it comes to the growing population of insulin resistant people with way too many calories coming from sugar.

They might not show the damage in their skin (but the increased inflamation and cortisol will certainly glycate their collagen, aging them faster everywhere, and it'll show eventually), but there is definitely some damage going on somewhere. Inflammation overall, but specifically things like heart/blood vessel disease, nerve damage, kidney damage, liver damage, eye damage, osteoporosis, alzheimers and dementia, as well as the stress of being habituated in a culture where it's pretty convenient to be unhealthy.