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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

Everyone should sign this.

http://www.change.or...of-ge-gmo-foods

Change.org has had a good deal of victories from their petitions. You can also start your own petition about getting rid of it etc. There are less than 200 sigs on this, it needs many thousands to make a difference, so sign and post to FB./twitter to get as many as possible.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:42 PM

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:12 AM

More examples of how GM crops 'help' poor farmers in underdeveloped countries.

Mexican Farmers Mobilize Against NAFTA's Disastrous Corn Policies & Monsanto's GE Corn
http://www.organicco...rticle_6629.cfm

Mexico Corn Contamination: How Monsanto & University of California Tried to Silence Dr. Ignacio Chapela

http://www.organicco...ticle_17843.cfm

GMO Contamination in Mexico's Cradle of Corn

http://archive.truthout.org/121208D

The last days of Mexican corn
http://www.nwrage.or...ys-mexican-corn

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:31 AM

Yes, you can feed starving people around the world, but at what cost?


Wrong, GM crops do not help feed starving people around the world!!! They do not address any problems with growing crops, now or in the future as water and climate change become more and more of a problem, not that it isn't a crisis in many places now. And they do not increase yields. Don't fall for these myths.

Monsanto makes seeds that can tolerate massive amounts of Roundup. They make the seeds and sell them at a high cost. They make the Roundup. And then they charge royalties on the crops. Period.

The seeds don't produce more. They don't require less water. They don't survive drought/heat any better. They do nothing to solve any real problems the world faces. And they worsen others by creating pesticide resistant pests. And of course pollute the soil and water even more than conventional industrial farming did.

And farmers cannot save the seeds from one crop to plant the next. They must buy the high priced seed every year. And the high priced pesticides. And then pay royalties on whatever they grow. Then come up with the money to buy seeds again the next year. Usually bank loans or worse. And interest rates in undeveloped countries are very, very high.

Edited by alternativista, 03 April 2012 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:24 AM

I am going to restate this one more time:
  • I don't think the current generation of GM foods are ideal or perfected in any way.
  • I don't think big corporations should control and patent GM products or (governments for that matter).
  • I don't think we should to use any pesticides at all. (We won't have to in the future)
  • I DO think that GM foods are the future, and with more research and study, they will be the solution to an ever-growing population.
In the mean time, let Bill Gates do his research to try and further humanity. You continue to eat organic, and I'll continue to eat my Agent Orange carrots.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:47 AM

I am going to restate this one more time:

  • I don't think the current generation of GM foods are ideal or perfected in any way.
  • I don't think big corporations should control and patent GM products or (governments for that matter).
  • I don't think we should to use any pesticides at all. (We won't have to in the future)
  • I DO think that GM foods are the future, and with more research and study, they will be the solution to an ever-growing population.



You really make no sense. Because you believe that someday there will be companies that will use GM to create crops that actually address real problems rather than cause them, you are all for whatever GM crap they want to grow and sell to us? And you have no problem with any of the other evils such as passing laws that make it illegal to pass any anti-GM laws, even simple things like requiring labels? You are for all the bullying?. All the money influencing our politics? All the lives destroyed?? All the environmental damage? All the pesticide resistant bugs and weeds? All the crap in our water and in our bodies?

Is your head always in the sand (or elsewhere)? Yeah, you keep eating the big corporation controlled, agent orange carrots grown from patented seed.

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The "Massive Con" Causing a Suicide Every 30 Minutes
http://articles.merc...20403_DNL_art_1


There are four primary factors directly related to the use of genetically engineered seed that contribute heavily to this grim situation:

  • Compared to traditional seed, genetically engineered seeds are very expensive and have to be repurchased every planting season
  • Genetically engineered crops require much more water to grow, have much higher requirements for fertilizer and pesticide, in spite of Monsanto's claims to the contraryvii and, in spite of their cost to farmers, provide NO increased yield

While companies like Monsanto have plenty of blood on their hands, additional social, economic and environmental factors make matters worse for these small rural farms:

  • The "Green Revolution" of the 1960s and 1970s has funneled money toward the middle class and away from the farming/peasant classes
  • Rising prices for seeds, fertilizers, pesticides, and other farm supplies, along with falling prices for farm commodities, are forcing farmers to take out high-interest loans from opportunistic moneylenders
  • A trend from polyculture farming (diverse crops) to monoculture farming (primarily cotton) has depleted the soil and increased crop infestation by opportunistic pests
  • Limited water supplies, periodic drought, decreased monsoonal rainfall, and poor access to irrigation
  • Dishonest, predatory salesmen; lack of government support; and grossly inadequate government relief programs

The introduction of hybrid seeds marked the beginning of the current issues plaguing Indian farmers today. Prior to the 1960s and 1970s, Indian farmers grew diverse food crops, but that all changed with the Green Revolution as modern machinery, chemical pesticides and fertilizers, and hybrid seeds were introduced from the West. Most farmers in India now plant cash crops for export, rather than rice, legumes, millet, and other foods for local consumption.



The last sentence, coupled with water shortages are the reasons for world hunger. Cash crops. Climate Change. And our economic system.

And Big Food is the root of pretty near all evil every way you look at it.


Genetic Engineering Brings Magnitude 10 Dangers

Genetically tinkering with the human food supply… what could possibly go wrong? Plenty, as it turns out. The potential dangers of genetically engineered food run the gamut, including:

  • Contamination of organic crop varieties
  • Development of herbicide-resistant super weeds
  • Organ disruption, cancer, and increased rate of miscarriage and infertility in animals raised on genetically engineered feed
  • Air and rain samples contaminated with glyphosate, and waterways in agricultural areas contaminated with a genetically engineered bug-killing protein
  • A brand new organism related specifically to genetically engineered crops, found to be responsible for disease and sudden death in both plants and mammals
  • The potential risks of genetically engineered crops are so enormous that I have devoted an entire segment of Mercola.com to the subject.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:56 AM

That one article you picked out is Forbes supporting Big Food propoganda. If you would try applying critical thinking skills when you read, you would see that the Monsanto cotton did not perform better in the drought conditions. And the farmers cannot afford to pay for the high-priced seed each year and cannot pay the loans when the crops fail.

GM crops are a path to crushing Debt so bad it makes people commit suicide. Not to success. And not more food.

What I am arguing is that for the immediate future, those big corporations are a necessary evil.

I am arguing that with the research funded by Bill Gates, future generations of GM foods will continue to become safer, more productive, essential to sustaining the growing world population.

Your argument is a bad one. Bill Gates is giving money to evil. Any beneficial GM products won't come from Monsanto or any other for profit organization. And Monsanto is not a necessary evil. Universities could do the research.

Besides, a much better way would be for farmers in developing countries to stop the monocropping of cash crops and instead grow food to feed themselves and their communities.

Also, instead of growing these craps that were cultivated in some other part of the world with completely different climates, grow the crops that were cultivated in that region from the species that evolved to thrive in that ecostystem.

Food grows everywhere. It always has. There is no need for genetic engineering. what we should do is stop fighting nature and start working with it.

Edited by alternativista, 03 April 2012 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:12 PM

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Well said

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:43 PM

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#30 tritonxiv

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

Wake up to reality people. Change doesn't happen without MONEY. If there is no PROFIT to be made, THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS.

You know all those nice cars you drive? Shoes you wear? Clothes you buy? Cell phones you use? Technology you take for granted???

IT'S ALL PATENTED AND CREATED BY "EVIL" CORPORATIONS WHO USE CHEAP OFFSHORE LABOR TO MAKE A PROFIT.

Don't be naive. And if you're not naive, don't be a hypocrite.

Greed, industrialism, capitalism, and WAR have paved the way for the technological revolution you've enjoyed over past 100 years.

If you all lived the lives of monks, without worldly possessions, cars, modern clothing, or technology. Then I'd respect, if not agree with all your doomsaying.


But if you care so much for these farmers, why don't you donate thousands of your own hard earned dollars to organic farms in third world countries?

Better yet why don't you head out to Africa and help build irrigation systems like my friend in Rwanda so farmers have adequate water for their lands?


No??? Too much of a sacrifice????

WELL CONGRATULATIONS!!! Thanks to modern technology, you can click your mouse and sign a petition that takes three seconds of your time!!!! You now have the right to belittle anyone who dosen't agree with your amazingly idealistic views!!!

All this hypocritical idealism is starting to make me sicker than GM food.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:47 PM

Wake up to reality people. Change doesn't happen without MONEY. If there is no PROFIT to be made, THERE WILL BE NO PROGRESS.


You wake up! And think! How do you expect Monsanto or any other for profit company to make a profit on creating crops that simply don't need as much water if they don't patent the seeds, charge high prices for the seeds and the seeds don't require tons of pesticide that the for-profit company makes and sells and is also patented? All things you claim to be against.

1) What Monsanto is doing isn't progress and 2) Universities and other non-profit organizations make progress as well. And that would be the only way any GM crop that actually addresses any need would be created.

The rest of your post is completely invalid ranting like most of your posts. You know nothing about what else any of us do for farmers here or elsewhere. And those buttons don't just sign petitions, they send letters to congressmen, the FDA and elsewhere. Other than voting, that's how a citizen participates in their government.

Also, most irrigation systems do more harm than good in the long run, btw. Culverting or diverting water supplies, which are already likely scarce, can prevent infrequent rainfall from reaching the native plants, increasing the desertification of the area. Increasing hunger and sending more people into the city slums.

I'll say it again. We/They need to stop fighting nature and start working with it. They need to grow crops that are adapted to grow in that ecosystem.

Edited by alternativista, 03 April 2012 - 02:58 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:01 PM

You know nothing about what else any of us do for farmers here or elsewhere.


Then please, all of you. Enlighten me. Bring back my faith in humanity.

And those buttons don't just sign petitions, they send letters to congressmen, the FDA and elsewhere. Other than voting, that's how a citizen participates in their government.


I thought you were trying to change the world, not be the standard "citizen". Haven't you learned anything from Obama? "Change" isn't as easy as it looks.

Petitions are useless.

Also, most irrigation systems do more harm than good in the long run, btw. Culverting or diverting water supplies, which are already likely scarce, can prevent infrequent rainfall from reaching the native plants, increasing the desertification of the area. Increasing hunger and sending more people into the city slums.


How ignorant you are judging my friend who breaks his back every day doing something while you people sit here and spout negative comments.

Not only does he help with irrigation, but he helps supply entire villages with clean water. My dislike of this thread is growing by the minute.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:08 PM

How ignorant you are judging my friend who breaks his back every day doing something while you people sit here and spout negative comments.

Not only does he help with irrigation, but he helps supply entire villages with clean water. My dislike of this thread is growing by the minute.


Then go away. But I do hope you occupy your time reading and learning the truth about all this. I mean, you claim to hate everything that Monsanto and the other biotech companies do, yet you are in favor of them. Don't you see the disconnect?

And I didn't judge your friend, I judged irrigation and other alterations of the environment.

And I have limited funds to save the world, but I give it to organizations that do good things like promote urban gardening here and elsewhere in the world, make micro loans and provide a milk goat or egg laying chickens and such to poor families, unlike Bill Gates. And I have gone off and done work projects such as reforesting in the past. And will again. Because reforesting and different farming methods are actually the way to stop desertification. I have also done education projects in Honduras.

And I live a sustainable lifestyle.

I also share information. Real information. Not propaganda.

What are you doing besides supporting evil and spreading their propaganda?

Edited by alternativista, 03 April 2012 - 03:13 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:20 PM

Then go away. But I do hope you start reading and learning the truth about all this.

And I didn't judge your friend, I judged irrigation and other alterations of the environment.


So come tell my friend and the lives of the village people he's saved, that the past five years of his life has been spent doing "more harm than good."

I hope someone else opens their eyes and sees how ludicrous this is.

What are you doing besides supporting evil and spreading their propaganda?


I am not complaining for one.

Second I donate money to support my friend in Africa every year. Regardless of what you think, I KNOW my money is going somewhere positive and is making a difference because I have firsthand knowledge of what goes on there, and what they have accomplished.

I hope to go there and join him once I receive my medical degree.

I know what little money I can give is being spent dollar for dollar on something good, and yet I don't go around screaming at the top of my lungs that this or that corporation is evil. I focus on helping humans in tangible immediate, and realistic ways.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:26 PM


What are you doing besides supporting evil and spreading their propaganda?


I am not complaining for one.

Second I donate money to support my friend in Africa every year. Regardless of what you think, I KNOW my money is going somewhere positive and is making a difference because I have firsthand knowledge of what goes on there, and what they have accomplished.

I hope to go there and join him once I receive my medical degree.

I know what little money I can give is being spent dollar for dollar on something good, and yet I don't go around screaming at the top of my lungs that this or that corporation is evil. I focus on helping humans in tangible immediate, and realistic ways.


You are 'screaming at the top of your lungs' in support of evil and spending your money in ways that support evil as you proudly munch on your agent orange carrots.

And those 'tangilbe' 'immediate' and 'realistic' ways you talk about are why we face the problems we face today and why so many issues are coming to a crisis at the same time.

Diverting more water, creating more deserts, spraying more pesticides and destroying more traditional crops are not helping anyone. They are making the problem worse. Everything you do to fight nature is counter-productive.

Edited by alternativista, 03 April 2012 - 03:30 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:35 PM

You are 'screaming at the top of your lungs' in support of evil and spending your money in ways that support evil as you proudly munch on your agent orange carrots.


So you don't drive a car? Don't have a cellphone? Don't wear modern clothing? You're not using a computer right now? These products are created overseas in factory conditions that pay unlivable wages.

How do you not see your own hypocrisy here? Why are you judging me for "supporting evil" when you do the same, simply by living your life of relative luxury in the wealthiest nation on Earth.


And those 'tangilbe' 'immediate' and 'realistic' ways you talk about are why we face the problems we face today and why so many issues are coming to a crisis at the same time.

Diverting more water, creating more deserts, spraying more pesticides and destroying more traditional crops are not helping anyone. They are making the problem worse.


What is this "problem" you keep speaking of?

It is because of man's ability to bend nature to our will that we have the longest average lifespans and greatest quality of life in the history of humanity.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:47 PM


You are 'screaming at the top of your lungs' in support of evil and spending your money in ways that support evil as you proudly munch on your agent orange carrots.


So you don't drive a car? Don't have a cellphone? Don't wear modern clothing? You're not using a computer right now? These products are created overseas in factory conditions that pay unlivable wages.

How do you not see your own hypocrisy here? Why are you judging me for "supporting evil" when you do the same, simply by living your life of relative luxury in the wealthiest nation on Earth.


I am not the hypocrit here. As I've already said, I live a very sustainable lifestyle. I shop resale. Use a notebook that uses little power and turn everything off when not in use. I use very little electricity. I have driven the most economical cars for decades. Drive as little as possible and in methods that conserve as much gasoline as possible. My cell phone was purchased refurbished and would be several years old if my last one wasn't stolen. I can't help it that there is so little available now that wasn't made by low paid workers. So, I just buy as little of it as possible and keep it for as long as possible.

And I am contemplating ways to leave this hypocrite country and find the least impacted place in the world where there might be something of value for me to do with my skills and talents.


And those 'tangilbe' 'immediate' and 'realistic' ways you talk about are why we face the problems we face today and why so many issues are coming to a crisis at the same time.

Diverting more water, creating more deserts, spraying more pesticides and destroying more traditional crops are not helping anyone. They are making the problem worse.


What is this "problem" you keep speaking of?

It is because of man's ability to bend nature to our will that we have the longest average lifespans and greatest quality of life in the history of humanity.


Yes. But everything we've done is now reaching a crisis point. The quality of those lifespans is deteriorating. We have to stop. And we are intelligent enough to find ways to work with nature rather than against it. Pull your head out.


And I can't help but notice how you don't ever respond to any logic. You didn't answer my question on just how you think Monsanto will earn a profit without doing all the evil you claim you are opposed to even as you support it.

Edited by alternativista, 03 April 2012 - 04:01 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:00 PM

I shop resale. Use a notebook that uses little power and turn everything off when not in use. I use very little electricity. I have driven the most economical cars for decades. Drive as little as possible and in methods that conserve as much gasoline as possible. My cell phone was purchased refurbished and would be several years old if my last one wasn't stolen.

And I am contemplating ways to leave here and find the least impacted place in the world where there might be something of value for me to do with my skills and talents.


This is my response, courtesy of George Carlin:




I agree with his basic point. Don't be so arrogant that you think you can change the nature of man, or the world. Man IS natural, and therefore anything we can do to the planet is no more unnatural than a beaver diverting a river by building a dam.

Just do something tangible and immediate to help your fellow man.

Edited by tritonxiv, 03 April 2012 - 04:03 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:05 PM


And those 'tangilbe' 'immediate' and 'realistic' ways you talk about are why we face the problems we face today and why so many issues are coming to a crisis at the same time.

Diverting more water, creating more deserts, spraying more pesticides and destroying more traditional crops are not helping anyone. They are making the problem worse.


What is this "problem" you keep speaking of?

It is because of man's ability to bend nature to our will that we have the longest average lifespans and greatest quality of life in the history of humanity.


You know. I can't believe you just wrote that. It's mind boggling. You aren't aware of all the issues coming to a head? Climate change? Peak oil and water? Over population? Our sickly culture? Our stupid sick care system? Antibiotic resistant superbugs? deadlier versions of microbes that should be benign like e coli? Pesticide resistant insects and other pests? The loss of all the wildlife that naturally controlled those pests? It goes on and on. Your head really is stuck up somewhere.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:06 PM

Right now, cars are a necessity. And strides are being made to make them more eco friendly. The automotive world is actually listening to what people are saying about making cars greener. Right now, cell phones, computers, and clothing ARE what we call a necessary evil, cause there aren't greener/safer options. But if the manufacturers of these products start listening to the public outcry for greener electronics, (just as the automotive industry is doing) then there is hope for a more eco friendly future.

GMO foods and Monsanto are not a necessary evil. And they are covering up/altering studies in place of listening to public outcry. There have been, (as in before GMO foods) and still are non GMO foods readily available. In other words, we have a choice. This "advance" in the growing of crops is a step in the wrong direction. And a step towards taking our right to non GMO food away. And it is fueled by greed and desire for power.

Tritonxiv you are here defending yourself and something you should not be defending, which is the support of Monsanto GMO crops and all the devastation they are creating. You should actually listen and think critically about this and stop being so defensive. Really and truly research this. If you still feel the way you do, then that is your choice, and one that i do not condone, but at least look at this problem objectively




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