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#1 AutonomousOne1980

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 05:07 PM

this is my attempt to explain a lack of uniformity in experiances or wide range of opinions about different treatments or changes in diet or topical usage in regards to their benefits or detriments to someone acne condition.

i suppose the main theme here would be the concept of synergism, and a general awareness of the complexity of the human body and of life. but here is an example of a what im taking about:

someone tries to use zinc for a week or so to see how it affects their acne condition, finds no results whatsoever, while another person claims to have an improvement. both, make up their minds about how zinc supplements affect acne, both people are right and both are wrong at the same time and here is why. first off, there is no doubting the authority of their individual experiances, they may be both reporting the absolute truth as to how zinc affected their body under certain conditions, but a possible difference may be that, the one who experianced benefits was replete in vitamin A, while the other that did not experience benefits was deficient in vitamin A, and vitamin a is required for full zinc utilization by the body, therefore, the concept of synergism was responsible for explaining their complete opposite experiances in regards to zinc and acne.



there are so many variables that interact like this, you may try something one day and it works, and then two weeks from now and it doesnt, and it is possibly due to this synergistic nature of elements.

the above situation is hypothetical, im not advocating that zinc will help anyones acne or not, or that lack of vitamin a will make your acne worse, but it is possible.

Edited by AutonomousOne1980, 07 March 2012 - 05:08 PM.

#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.
#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.
#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.
#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.
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#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.
#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 05:29 PM

this is my attempt to explain a lack of uniformity in experiances or wide range of opinions about different treatments or changes in diet or topical usage in regards to their benefits or detriments to someone acne condition.

i suppose the main theme here would be the concept of synergism, and a general awareness of the complexity of the human body and of life. but here is an example of a what im taking about:

someone tries to use zinc for a week or so to see how it affects their acne condition, finds no results whatsoever, while another person claims to have an improvement. both, make up their minds about how zinc supplements affect acne, both people are right and both are wrong at the same time and here is why. first off, there is no doubting the authority of their individual experiances, they may be both reporting the absolute truth as to how zinc affected their body under certain conditions, but a possible difference may be that, the one who experianced benefits was replete in vitamin A, while the other that did not experience benefits was deficient in vitamin A, and vitamin a is required for full zinc utilization by the body, therefore, the concept of synergism was responsible for explaining their complete opposite experiances in regards to zinc and acne.



there are so many variables that interact like this, you may try something one day and it works, and then two weeks from now and it doesnt, and it is possibly due to this synergistic nature of elements.

the above situation is hypothetical, im not advocating that zinc will help anyones acne or not, or that lack of vitamin a will make your acne worse, but it is possible.


This makes me think of allergy testing, like if you were to get a blood or fecal test to assess your body's allergies daily I imagine the results would come back slightly different every day.

Sidenote: Can you tell me a little bit more about the three different types of b12? Maca root and shellfish come to mind, so obviously two of those three are from an animal and non-animal source.

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If you treat your self/symptom with a lot more compassion, you'll find your skin heals much faster when it's not constantly in store for a thrashin'. Rather than blasting the sound of what you're currently treating your face with, the case may be you just need to change the station and re-evaluate you and your skin's relationship . It's easier than you think to relate with, because much like mainstream radio emotions always make for underrated yet relevant statements.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:15 PM


this is my attempt to explain a lack of uniformity in experiances or wide range of opinions about different treatments or changes in diet or topical usage in regards to their benefits or detriments to someone acne condition.

i suppose the main theme here would be the concept of synergism, and a general awareness of the complexity of the human body and of life. but here is an example of a what im taking about:

someone tries to use zinc for a week or so to see how it affects their acne condition, finds no results whatsoever, while another person claims to have an improvement. both, make up their minds about how zinc supplements affect acne, both people are right and both are wrong at the same time and here is why. first off, there is no doubting the authority of their individual experiances, they may be both reporting the absolute truth as to how zinc affected their body under certain conditions, but a possible difference may be that, the one who experianced benefits was replete in vitamin A, while the other that did not experience benefits was deficient in vitamin A, and vitamin a is required for full zinc utilization by the body, therefore, the concept of synergism was responsible for explaining their complete opposite experiances in regards to zinc and acne.



there are so many variables that interact like this, you may try something one day and it works, and then two weeks from now and it doesnt, and it is possibly due to this synergistic nature of elements.

the above situation is hypothetical, im not advocating that zinc will help anyones acne or not, or that lack of vitamin a will make your acne worse, but it is possible.


This makes me think of allergy testing, like if you were to get a blood or fecal test to assess your body's allergies daily I imagine the results would come back slightly different every day.

Sidenote: Can you tell me a little bit more about the three different types of b12? Maca root and shellfish come to mind, so obviously two of those three are from an animal and non-animal source.


So basically this is a reminder that topicals, diets, treatments, this, that, or the other thing does not work for everyone.
So a person needs to help them self by examining why they breakout and what they can do to help. Simpler said then done i know. Though its like if your female and have hormonal breakouts BC is an option as well as B6 supplementation.
Guys, well finding away to deal with prolactin and DHT is your fight

And so forth.

Vitamins help the general health and some people its all they need to help them. Others not so. Just remember just because it doesnt work on you doesnt mean it doesnt help. For example i for some reason cant use vitamin D while others it does miracles.


B12 from my understand can cause breakouts. It is suggested you take the b12 that stars with an M and sorry im too lazy to find out which one that is. Im already late for my run.. so this is what i've heard,

b12 is necessary for a lot of things but the key is moderation as too much is a bad thing and not helping acne any.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:07 PM

this is my attempt to explain a lack of uniformity in experiances or wide range of opinions about different treatments or changes in diet or topical usage in regards to their benefits or detriments to someone acne condition.

i suppose the main theme here would be the concept of synergism, and a general awareness of the complexity of the human body and of life. but here is an example of a what im taking about:

someone tries to use zinc for a week or so to see how it affects their acne condition, finds no results whatsoever, while another person claims to have an improvement. both, make up their minds about how zinc supplements affect acne, both people are right and both are wrong at the same time and here is why. first off, there is no doubting the authority of their individual experiances, they may be both reporting the absolute truth as to how zinc affected their body under certain conditions, but a possible difference may be that, the one who experianced benefits was replete in vitamin A, while the other that did not experience benefits was deficient in vitamin A, and vitamin a is required for full zinc utilization by the body, therefore, the concept of synergism was responsible for explaining their complete opposite experiances in regards to zinc and acne.



there are so many variables that interact like this, you may try something one day and it works, and then two weeks from now and it doesnt, and it is possibly due to this synergistic nature of elements.

the above situation is hypothetical, im not advocating that zinc will help anyones acne or not, or that lack of vitamin a will make your acne worse, but it is possible.


Very good post; so many people take 1 person's report of a supplement; diet, product, etc and run with it or dismiss it.

Edited by DC-girl, 21 December 2012 - 09:08 PM.





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