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Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:36 AM


^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.
Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

 
 
oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.
 
I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.

Yes. Common is the key word, there. But oily skin is not the cause. It only exacerbates the tendency towards acne. I've already told you the identified genetic tendencies that cause acne involving sebum composition and cell proliferation. Those, along with the inflammation that's also a major factor in acne, are affected by diet and lifestyle habits and can be improved with diet and lifestyle.

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 01:40 PM

If you have taken accutane at 15 , you cannot even know if you would not have grown out of your acne anyway. With 15, hormones are far away from being at a stable state. You must not forget that a lot of people just get rid of their acne in their late teenage years.l

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 03:01 PM

hi everyone rolleyes.gif  , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

 

if DHT is the aggressor  then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards  (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

 

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

 

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 01:53 AM

If you have taken accutane at 15 , you cannot even know if you would not have grown out of your acne anyway. With 15, hormones are far away from being at a stable state. You must not forget that a lot of people just get rid of their acne in their late teenage years.l

 

A very good point.  Accutane at that age also puts you at risk for other health complications. Face it, your body isn't done growing; adding this toxic pill to your body might help one problem but cause 5 more.

 

It is possible to "grow out of it" and every day I begin to believe it more. The hormonal fluctuations settle as your body matures. Its proven science. The ones that unfortunately do not get a break are: women and their monthyl cycle, those with genetic predisopisiton, and hormonal imbalances (thyroid, adrenal glands, and growth hormone[pituitary]). This does not take into account those that are malnurished or those with terrible hygiene practices. It only takes 20 seconds to wash your hands, yet many, many people do not do it.

 

Back to me as an example to those that read these forums for answers: I just consumed 8 very sugary, loaded with simple carbs cookies that are anything but nutritious and everything bad that is preached on these forums. Why? Well im hungry and it will drop my blood sugar enough to make me tired and sleep, but MOST of all im hungry, and bored. What does this mean? Well, in the past it meant having oiler skin, increased break outs, increased inflammation, and a whole array of pyschological side effects of how i just cant seem do break free of acne. Today, however, it means nothing; nothing will happen to me. Why? This goes agaisnt everything said here on acne.org... Especially what alternativista posts. Believe me, I bet you dispise me as I do not seem to fall your category as I fail to follow most of what you write and the results are not reflecting in a negative way (although Im not a woman, no offense). Doesn't mean your wrong. Just means that I like many possible others are different. That is why i come here to tell a different view point.

 

 

 

Well, as Calumma says, we "get rid of it in our late teens". I was a late "bloomer" and therefore it makes since that this carried into my 20's. But it has ceased ever so gradually.  My general conclusion is that some of us grow out of it, and some do not for reasons stated above.That does mean you are immune either. For me yogurt of any kind, and plain peanut butter out of a jar always make me break out. So i don't eat them. It does come across as strange but im sure after researching i could find out more;  for now its not of importance. What is is learning that everybody is different. Cant preach that enough. And Some of us grow out of it, while others do not. Starting at a young age with potent, dangerous drugs or long term antibiotics will cause complications. Some not reverisble.

 

And to this whole thread that i believe i have replied to already although i cannot recall. DHT probably is a smoking gun along with other factors named above in other posts above me. Some are sensitive  more then others i.e. teens. But as a "sole" cuplrit, well i beg to differ; because after being in a monogamous and sexual relationship for over a year. Well, I beg to differ, lets just say that.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

hi everyone rolleyes.gif  , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.
 
if DHT is the aggressor  then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

 
It isn't really the cause, it mainly increases sebum production which doesn't actually cause acne.  But one reason baldness & acne might not go hand in hand is that there are 2 different receptors for DHT one involved in hair growth and the other in the sebum production.  


 

Back to me as an example to those that read these forums for answers: I just consumed 8 very sugary, loaded with simple carbs cookies that are anything but nutritious and everything bad that is preached on these forums. Why? Well im hungry and it will drop my blood sugar enough to make me tired and sleep, but MOST of all im hungry, and bored. What does this mean? Well, in the past it meant having oiler skin, increased break outs, increased inflammation, and a whole array of pyschological side effects of how i just cant seem do break free of acne. Today, however, it means nothing; nothing will happen to me. Why? This goes agaisnt everything said here on acne.org... Especially what alternativista posts. Believe me, I bet you dispise me as I do not seem to fall your category as I fail to follow most of what you write and the results are not reflecting in a negative way (although Im not a woman, no offense). Doesn't mean your wrong. Just means that I like many possible others are different. That is why i come here to tell a different view point.

 
 
????  I've never once said eating a bunch of cookies would cause a break out. Especially not if you have just eaten them as you said.  I eat cookies.
 
I have very clearly always said that high glycemic diet habits lead to the conditions that cause acne, not to mention all the other health conditions this sickly culture suffers from.  H-A-B-I-T-S.  That means, day in day out. Habitual.  High glycemic meals cause the chronic inflammation, elevated hormones, and bad lipid composition of sebum that lead to acne. 
 
Also, there are many other factors that determine how high is too high for you such as your muscle mass and whether you are sitting on your ass or up and moving around when you consume the sugar.  If your cells are already stocked with glucose, they aren't going to take in any more until they burn some up, but your body will keep trying to get the sugar out of your bloodstream by pumping out more hormone spiking insulin because sugar in the bloodstream is extremely damaging.  
 
And then there's whether you consume the nutrients your body needs to manage blood sugar. And how much anti-inflammatory nutrients you've consumed to counter the inflammatory effects of the sugar and grains in the cookies.  And how prone you are genetically/epigenetically to insulin resistance.  And where you are on your path towards insulin resistance, as most people in our society are on their way.

 

And to this whole thread that i believe i have replied to already although i cannot recall. DHT probably is a smoking gun along with other factors named above in other posts above me. Some are sensitive  more then others i.e. teens. But as a "sole" cuplrit, well i beg to differ; because after being in a monogamous and sexual relationship for over a year. Well, I beg to differ, lets just say that.

 
You know, the OP is long gone and I don't think there's anyone else here arguing that DHT is the sole culprit.  Other than our latest accutane troll, most are arguing against that claim.

Edited by alternativista, 08 November 2013 - 07:35 AM.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:04 PM

hi everyone rolleyes.gif  , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

 

if DHT is the aggressor  then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards  (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

 

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

 

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png

 

Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production

any girls do have acne and hirsutism.  I do.

I don't understand the beard comment. 

Or the bacteria one.  But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.

 

Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast.  Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health.   (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).

 

Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways.  The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation.  It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne.  It can increase  immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting.  And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.

 

the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples  are true acne and are affected by your diet. 

 

Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance.  But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said.  when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules.  The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy. 


Edited by alternativista, 06 November 2013 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:18 AM

thanks alternativista, i've been waiting for this morning to draw some conclusions, but as always i can't.

yesterday i had no new acne, and much recovery, so i tried replicating everything i did a day earlier, and this morning i have a couple of new acne, but all in all very good skin day. usually i have 4 whiteheads twice a day.

 

i did a couple of changes last days that might have worked:

1. aspirin mask everyday. (extremely usefull) . this is my 4 day.

2. ate cabbage daily, (really hope it's important, this is my main hope). (it's anti-andogenic)

3. drank 2 cups of mentha tea (hope it's anti androgenic)

4. water + salt topical(important i think)

5. lavander oil (not sure it works)

6. washed my hair with only sulf soap. i don't know what i'm trying anymore smile.png)


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:22 AM

hi everyone rolleyes.gif  , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

 

if DHT is the aggressor  then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards  (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

 

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

 

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png

 

Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production

any girls do have acne and hirsutism.  I do.

I don't understand the beard comment. 

Or the bacteria one.  But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.

 

Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast.  Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health.   (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).

 

Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways.  The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation.  It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne.  It can increase  immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting.  And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.

 

the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples  are true acne and are affected by your diet. 

 

Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance.  But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said.  when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules.  The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy. 

 

Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so  that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.

 

Accutane.. its terrible in every which way. Used in serious cases, but often too soon while the body is still growing when it comes to teens and young adults. But society and social media can drive a person to make rash, quick decisions because of the judgement a person receives, driving them to extremes to fit in. My cousin just went through this. I consulted with her and told her never to say yes to accutane use after the derm suggested it. Within a month of proper supplemtation, some diet restrictions, and BP use she is practically clear. It just takes dedication and time.

 

EDIT: about the thread.. yes well i pay attention to who replied then well the topic. I see its an old one.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:05 AM





hi everyone :rolleyes:  , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.
 
if DHT is the aggressor  then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?
why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)
but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards  (including me)
why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?
 
of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:
why does exercise cause acne so many times?
why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)
why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle :nod: )
 
the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne
1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne
2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne
of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.:)

 
Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production
any girls do have acne and hirsutism.  I do.
I don't understand the beard comment. 
Or the bacteria one.  But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.
 
Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast.  Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health.   (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).
 
Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways.  The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation.  It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne.  It can increase  immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting.  And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.
 
the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples  are true acne and are affected by your diet. 
 
Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance.  But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said.  when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules.  The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy. 
 
Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so  that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.
 
Accutane.. its terrible in every which way. Used in serious cases, but often too soon while the body is still growing when it comes to teens and young adults. But society and social media can drive a person to make rash, quick decisions because of the judgement a person receives, driving them to extremes to fit in. My cousin just went through this. I consulted with her and told her never to say yes to accutane use after the derm suggested it. Within a month of proper supplemtation, some diet restrictions, and BP use she is practically clear. It just takes dedication and time.
 
EDIT: about the thread.. yes well i pay attention to who replied then well the topic. I see its an old one.
Ok. I think in there you are saying you were active when you consumed the cookies and/or are active most of the time, therefore you demonstrate my point. And you fall perfectly into 'my category' as you said in that babble about my claims and how I must despise you.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 03:04 AM

 

 




hi everyone rolleyes.gif  , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.
 
if DHT is the aggressor  then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?
why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)
but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards  (including me)
why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?
 
of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:
why does exercise cause acne so many times?
why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)
why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )
 
the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne
1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne
2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne
of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png

 
Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production
any girls do have acne and hirsutism.  I do.
I don't understand the beard comment. 
Or the bacteria one.  But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.
 
Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast.  Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health.   (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).
 
Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways.  The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation.  It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne.  It can increase  immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting.  And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.
 
the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples  are true acne and are affected by your diet. 
 
Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance.  But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said.  when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules.  The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy. 
 
Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so  that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.
 
Accutane.. its terrible in every which way. Used in serious cases, but often too soon while the body is still growing when it comes to teens and young adults. But society and social media can drive a person to make rash, quick decisions because of the judgement a person receives, driving them to extremes to fit in. My cousin just went through this. I consulted with her and told her never to say yes to accutane use after the derm suggested it. Within a month of proper supplemtation, some diet restrictions, and BP use she is practically clear. It just takes dedication and time.
 
EDIT: about the thread.. yes well i pay attention to who replied then well the topic. I see its an old one.

Ok. I think in there you are saying you were active when you consumed the cookies and/or are active most of the time, therefore you demonstrate my point. And you fall perfectly into 'my category' as you said in that babble about my claims and that I must despise you.

 

Nurses are always active; follow one on a med/surg floor that has 6 patients. You are on the go alot. 

I was in better health per say when i was trying to be and avoided such uneeded foods then. Today, I'm too busy to care or i just don't  care, period (anything to get you by at times whether on the shift or not). So my poor choices should not reward me. I do not exercise outside my job as well. I should because just running or walking is not the fitness that I'd like or what i would consider suficient compared to my previous habits. And because of this why havent I suffered from it?
It don't add up or fit nicely into a specific category. Being active is being active i guess... When it comes to comparing not everything is an orange or apple. This is the mystery that i do not really care at this point to know why just for myself. But, i also anticipate that im not alone , so if this speaks to anyone else then so be it their guide. Acne is not competely generic in every single person. Thats where i come in.

 

I have refuted your claims multiple times. I anticipated issues as some do not like to be refuted.

 

Let us focus on other things now. I really hate having to resist the urge to reply because its always so late when im on.

 

edit:spelling as usual.


Edited by k3tchup, 11 November 2013 - 03:06 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:41 PM

 

 

 
Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so  that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.

Ok. I think in there you are saying you were active when you consumed the cookies and/or are active most of the time, therefore you demonstrate my point. And you fall perfectly into 'my category' as you said in that erroneous rant about my claims and that I must despise you.

 

Nurses are always active; follow one on a med/surg floor that has 6 patients. You are on the go alot. 

I was in better health per say when i was trying to be and avoided such uneeded foods then. Today, I'm too busy to care or i just don't  care, period (anything to get you by at times whether on the shift or not). So my poor choices should not reward me. I do not exercise outside my job as well. I should because just running or walking is not the fitness that I'd like or what i would consider suficient compared to my previous habits. And because of this why havent I suffered from it?
It don't add up or fit nicely into a specific category. Being active is being active i guess... When it comes to comparing not everything is an orange or apple. This is the mystery that i do not really care at this point to know why just for myself. But, i also anticipate that im not alone , so if this speaks to anyone else then so be it their guide. Acne is not competely generic in every single person. Thats where i come in.

 

I have refuted your claims multiple times. I anticipated issues as some do not like to be refuted.

 

Let us focus on other things now. I really hate having to resist the urge to reply because its always so late when im on.

 

edit:spelling as usual.

 

Once again, the info you are telling me supports my 'claims,' aka facts. Not refute them.

 

Being active most of the day everyday is exactly the kind of activity the body is meant to do. (except that they should be doing it outdoors in the light)  The workouts most people do are in fact, harmful, and often worsen acne due to the chronic inflammation they induce. There is also such a thing as exercise induced histamine response. This means a much greater reaction to any food or other intolerance you might have, that might not even be noticeable otherwise. Which are two possible reasons out of many why your acne was worse when you believed you were healthier.

 

And being constantly active, means you  burn up the sugar you eat and your cells can then take more in. Therefore, you will get much less of a glycemic impact from your cookie eating.   That's just one of the many ways factors that vary from person to person in regards to how much of a glycemic impact they will get from their diet habits.

 

Now, I have explained it to you multiple times. I anticipate that once again, you will refuse to comprehend.  And once again tell me more about your life that once again, supports what I have been trying to tell you.

 

You are also older now and your lifestyle has changed a great deal.  There could be any number of factors that add up to less acne now.

 

The stuff you said about people not all being apples also is the same as I have said, although that's another thing you refuse to comprehend.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:26 AM

 

 

 

 
Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so  that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.

Ok. I think in there you are saying you were active when you consumed the cookies and/or are active most of the time, therefore you demonstrate my point. And you fall perfectly into 'my category' as you said in that erroneous rant about my claims and that I must despise you.

 

Nurses are always active; follow one on a med/surg floor that has 6 patients. You are on the go alot. 

I was in better health per say when i was trying to be and avoided such uneeded foods then. Today, I'm too busy to care or i just don't  care, period (anything to get you by at times whether on the shift or not). So my poor choices should not reward me. I do not exercise outside my job as well. I should because just running or walking is not the fitness that I'd like or what i would consider suficient compared to my previous habits. And because of this why havent I suffered from it?
It don't add up or fit nicely into a specific category. Being active is being active i guess... When it comes to comparing not everything is an orange or apple. This is the mystery that i do not really care at this point to know why just for myself. But, i also anticipate that im not alone , so if this speaks to anyone else then so be it their guide. Acne is not competely generic in every single person. Thats where i come in.

 

I have refuted your claims multiple times. I anticipated issues as some do not like to be refuted.

 

Let us focus on other things now. I really hate having to resist the urge to reply because its always so late when im on.

 

edit:spelling as usual.

 

Once again, the info you are telling me supports my 'claims,' aka facts. Not refute them.

 

Being active most of the day everyday is exactly the kind of activity the body is meant to do. (except that they should be doing it outdoors in the light)  The workouts most people do are in fact, harmful, and often worsen acne due to the chronic inflammation they induce. There is also such a thing as exercise induced histamine response. This means a much greater reaction to any food or other intolerance you might have, that might not even be noticeable otherwise. Which are two possible reasons out of many why your acne was worse when you believed you were healthier.

 

And being constantly active, means you  burn up the sugar you eat and your cells can then take more in. Therefore, you will get much less of a glycemic impact from your cookie eating.   That's just one of the many ways factors that vary from person to person in regards to how much of a glycemic impact they will get from their diet habits.

 

Now, I have explained it to you multiple times. I anticipate that once again, you will refuse to comprehend.  And once again tell me more about your life that once again, supports what I have been trying to tell you.

 

You are also older now and your lifestyle has changed a great deal.  There could be any number of factors that add up to less acne now.

 

The stuff you said about people not all being apples also is the same as I have said, although that's another thing you refuse to comprehend.

 

Just stop. You've made your point and I have mine.

 

Got a problem? Send a pm. Not on these boards.

 

Thanks.



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Posted 16 May 2014 - 08:41 AM

HI, just wondering if the Nothing to Hide cream worked for you?!






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