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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:08 PM

Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 04:10 PM

Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

I guess you could say they are safe in small amounts but most people mega dose to see results. Beta Sitosterol is the main ingredient in saw palmetto that decreases dht. I'm guessing this is why people see such good results when using it. Side effects wise I would definitely have to agree that I couldn't think as clearly as normal. I just ordered a cream called Nothing to Hide by Plexy Labs a few days ago. I asked people on here if anyone had used it or thought the company was reputable. Sadly no one repliedneutral.gif Sooo I stepped out in faith. They claim that it blocks dht on the skin and it doesn't have any side effects. 



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 04:31 PM

Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

I guess you could say they are safe in small amounts but most people mega dose to see results. Beta Sitosterol is the main ingredient in saw palmetto that decreases dht. I'm guessing this is why people see such good results when using it. Side effects wise I would definitely have to agree that I couldn't think as clearly as normal. I just ordered a cream called Nothing to Hide by Plexy Labs a few days ago. I asked people on here if anyone had used it or thought the company was reputable. Sadly no one repliedneutral.gif Sooo I stepped out in faith. They claim that it blocks dht on the skin and it doesn't have any side effects. 

Great. Please remember to tell about your experiences with that cream! I hope it helps. I may order it someday. So you used beta sitosterol? Did it clear your acne completely?



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:01 PM

I would just like to remind people that if you need a really high dose of saw palmetto to see results, you can try lowering your dose and making up the difference with spironolactone CREAM, which is safe for males, and you can buy over the counter



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:09 AM

I know it sounds hilarious because I am from a different country,  but I actually know the guy that is running the hairlosstalk site/forum and selling the opical spiro cream. I was honestly thinking it could be a great idea to work together with him and create a spiro cream that is more adjusted to acne skin. But it makes no sense to do that over an ocean, but if somebody on here that is from Miami or surroundings, I would ask him if he wants to do that.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 09:23 AM

 

Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

I guess you could say they are safe in small amounts but most people mega dose to see results. Beta Sitosterol is the main ingredient in saw palmetto that decreases dht. I'm guessing this is why people see such good results when using it. Side effects wise I would definitely have to agree that I couldn't think as clearly as normal. I just ordered a cream called Nothing to Hide by Plexy Labs a few days ago. I asked people on here if anyone had used it or thought the company was reputable. Sadly no one repliedneutral.gif Sooo I stepped out in faith. They claim that it blocks dht on the skin and it doesn't have any side effects. 

Great. Please remember to tell about your experiences with that cream! I hope it helps. I may order it someday. So you used beta sitosterol? Did it clear your acne completely?

 I definitely will! I have high hopesrolleyes.gif  The pills i took were 350 mg and i started to see clearing in the second week. That was with just taking one pill a day. My body is pretty sensitive to supplements though so dosage might be more for other people. I was almost completely clear but the side effects were not worth it.



I would just like to remind people that if you need a really high dose of saw palmetto to see results, you can try lowering your dose and making up the difference with spironolactone CREAM, which is safe for males, and you can buy over the counter

The only problem is that you can find a lot of men complain that Spironolactone cream actually caused a drop in there overall androgen levels. So that means that this strong anti-androgen does get absorbed through your skin, but to the point it gets into your blood stream. From what I understand is that it blocks all androgens in general and works as an antagonist to their receptors. I would rather just down regulate DHT production without harming my testosterone levels as well.   



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:22 AM


I would just like to remind people that if you need a really high dose of saw palmetto to see results, you can try lowering your dose and making up the difference with spironolactone CREAM, which is safe for males, and you can buy over the counter

The only problem is that you can find a lot of men complain that Spironolactone cream actually caused a drop in there overall androgen levels. So that means that this strong anti-androgen does get absorbed through your skin, but to the point it gets into your blood stream. From what I understand is that it blocks all androgens in general and works as an antagonist to their receptors. I would rather just down regulate DHT production without harming my testosterone levels as well.   

 

I don't think we have any clinical data that supports that a 5% spironolactone topical cream gets absorbed into the bloodstream to the point that it lowers systemic androgen levels.

 

So if we're going anecdotally by just what people say on the internet, I would say that anecdotally men are particularly susceptible to the placebo effect, and if they THINK there is a chance that something will lower their testosterone systemically, they will start looking for "lower libido" or "I don't feel like a man today" and blame it on whatever they are taking for acne. 



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:36 PM

Most people with acne don't really have any true DHT imbalances just sebaceous glands that are more sensitive to it. Everyone that is acne prone has some genetic tendency to produce toe much sebum and for their pores to easily clog.The only thing that can really resolve this is Accutane.



This is borderline craziness. DHT is so common in males. I'm paranoid about my acne but this is taking it to far.
Lets start with masturbation.

-It is genetic, in our DNA, blood, and brain to reproduce. Look at the animal kingdom. LOOK AT YOUR DOG! It will hump a pillow at least 3 times a day. These are natural feelings and always have been throughout human history as well as animal history!!!! Its a natural instinct to reproduce, Why do you think we have sex drives? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, More developed and more intelligent but animals non the less.
My goodness. "Having Sexual thoughts, and jerking it give me acne" Do you listen to yourself?! What next? Texting causes acne because it can raise stress or happy hormones? COME ON!!!!!!

- Also Males can not avoid DHT production, We are MALES the alpha's. We are designed by nature to be aggressive, strong, and able to hunt. Nature would not produce this if it didn't think you needed it for survival. Stop trying to reduce Testosterone unless you want to start growing breasts(Yes reducing the Hormone T can cause breast enlargement in males), Rather have giant man boobs or acne? Think about it. Also reducing T will make you shrink like a little girl and gain fat and lose all your muscle mass, and kill your sex drive.

-I'm not saying DHT doesn't raise sebum production, what i'm saying is their is nothing that you can do about it its genetic. But some of these off the wall theories and ideas drive me insane. Look at all the professional athletes or even the athletes at your college(you know the big guys that are stacked and muscle ripped yet have perfect faces)Their DHT LEVELS ARE OFF THE WALL. They workout and train all the time and they EAT, EAT, EAT. Why don't they have acne you ask? Because the DHT theories like most theories are just another far-fetch idea that got bumped into people thinking its real.

-You Have acne, its genetic. Like a lot of other things out there. Am i saying you can't control it to some degree? Not at all. I believe a healthy life style with exercise and a balanced diet will help control it. But its in your Genetic make-up to be susceptible to acne. I do believe food allergens can cause acne, especially foods that were processed with added hormones.

-I Think spending all this time on these wild crazy theories is whats giving you acne. GO JERK OFF!!! YOUR A MALE!!!! You want sex, that's part of our lives. Stop resisting nature and get a girl friend and have some fun. Go outside, get some sunlight(NO SUN DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS), Go hit the weights at the gym get healthy, eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from hormone foods like milk and enjoy life.



I think the whole acne being genetics thing is bull shit because both my parents don't have acne and never did as a teenager. Why is it that the number of individuals with acne has increased over the years? Adult acne as well has increased which was once thought to only be an issue in adolescents. Also america has the highest rate of acne individuals. It's not genetics and fools who believe that are just making excuses for themselves when really acne is a symptom of an unhealthy, out of balanced body. A sign of an unhealthy living. We americans had dun fucked up and expose ourselves to many chemicals, processed foods, and free radicals. We're gross and indulge ourselves in crap every day. I can't even drink a water bottle without exposing my body to xenoestrogens.

 

I don't believe this to be true. There's plenty of people that are obese and eat poorly and have never had a pimple in their lives. There is something inside your genetic makeup that makes you more "vulnerable" to acne than them. Acne is not usually a sign of imbalance or poor health, almost all people with acne have normal androgen levels just an increased sensitivity to testosterone and are otherwise healthy.

 

You should try accutane! Works great at curbing your oil production. Without the excess sebum the acne problem can't ignite.


Edited by Lovelorn, 03 November 2013 - 08:29 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:40 AM

^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:01 AM

If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in  poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

 

https://www.landesbi.../article/19828/

 

 

http://archderm.jama...rticleid=479093


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:01 AM

If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in  poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

 

https://www.landesbi.../article/19828/

 

 

http://archderm.jama...rticleid=479093

 

Sorry but there are people on this website not from the "west" still experiencing acne. It is not just a western plague. And diet doesn't go hand and hand with bad skin, I eat like sh*t now and my skin is virtually perfect. Something doesn't add up.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:23 PM

As excess sebum production was the reason for your acne, accutane solved this problem for you because your oil glands are shrunk. So no matter what shit you eat, as long as accutane is working for you, they cannot produce too much sebum even if your DHT levels are going crazy.

But this does not have to be forever. They can grow again and hormones can stimulate them to produce too much oil again, especially if our acne is hormone cycle triggered. I have seen males that got cured with roaccutane, but the girls and women I know usually had acne relapses after a few moths or years, because of the constant up-and-down stimulation in their monthly cycle..

Accutane reduces gland size, but it does not affect DHT sensitivity, at least as far as I know.

So for people that have been successful with accutane,  it is a good idea to take the good status quo as a basis to work with. This means LOW DHT stimulation by keeping hormones balanced, and a good diet.

Although accutane has suppressed your acne now, you are still genetically acne prone. And for genetically acne prone people, diet often has an influence on their breakouts. Not now, your oil glands are tiny now. But I would be careful not to stimulate them too much.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:06 PM

If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in  poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

 

https://www.landesbi.../article/19828/

 

 

http://archderm.jama...rticleid=479093

 

Sorry but there are people on this website not from the "west" still experiencing acne. It is not just a western plague. And diet doesn't go hand and hand with bad skin, I eat like sh*t now and my skin is virtually perfect. Something doesn't add up.

Actually in general diet does go hand in hand with acne , I know if I eat junk food/sugar my skin goes bad so there is a correlation factor no question . If you think diet has nothing to do with acne you are fooling yourself.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 06:00 PM

 

If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in  poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

 

https://www.landesbi.../article/19828/

 

 

http://archderm.jama...rticleid=479093

 

Sorry but there are people on this website not from the "west" still experiencing acne. It is not just a western plague. And diet doesn't go hand and hand with bad skin, I eat like sh*t now and my skin is virtually perfect. Something doesn't add up.

Actually in general diet does go hand in hand with acne , I know if I eat junk food/sugar my skin goes bad so there is a correlation factor no question . If you think diet has nothing to do with acne you are fooling yourself.

 

Really? Are you a dermatologist?...

 

You can have your opinions, that's perfectly fine but do not try to make "blanket statements". That's a little presumptuous to be honest. Food doesn't affect everybody's acne, that may seem illogical to you but that's just how some peoples systems work. We are not all the same.



As excess sebum production was the reason for your acne, accutane solved this problem for you because your oil glands are shrunk. So no matter what shit you eat, as long as accutane is working for you, they cannot produce too much sebum even if your DHT levels are going crazy.

But this does not have to be forever. They can grow again and hormones can stimulate them to produce too much oil again, especially if our acne is hormone cycle triggered. I have seen males that got cured with roaccutane, but the girls and women I know usually had acne relapses after a few moths or years, because of the constant up-and-down stimulation in their monthly cycle..

Accutane reduces gland size, but it does not affect DHT sensitivity, at least as far as I know.

So for people that have been successful with accutane,  it is a good idea to take the good status quo as a basis to work with. This means LOW DHT stimulation by keeping hormones balanced, and a good diet.

Although accutane has suppressed your acne now, you are still genetically acne prone. And for genetically acne prone people, diet often has an influence on their breakouts. Not now, your oil glands are tiny now. But I would be careful not to stimulate them too much.

 

I took Accutane at fifteen, I'm now 24! I've had very little recurrence since then so it's safe to say I have had a fairly successful remission. Also my hormones were never irregular, I just had a sensitivity problem. Acne can also resolve as one gets older too.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 06:20 PM

^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

 

 

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

 

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:09 PM

There is a BIG problem that is often overlooked , for people who took antibiotics before , which in reality destroy the immune system  , acne returns with a vengeance due to a compromised immune system . Especially round after round of antibiotics  VERY VERY BAD NEWS.  There are MUCH better alternatives to anti-life biotics .

 

Wild Oil of Oregano is just as potent as any synthetic antibiotic , without the nasty side effects ,in reality antibiotics destroy the immune system 80% of the immune system is in the stomach/gut .Germs are literally assimilated good and bad the ones that are killed off are gone for life leaving that person in worse shape than before and prone to chronic infections down the road due to the damage that has occurred. Over use of antibiotics are a BIG part of todays health problems , Here is the BEST PART Drug resistance does not develop against naturally-occuring antibiotics such as garlic and Oil of Oregano , nature always has a SAFE ANSWER.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:05 PM

^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

 

 

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

 

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.

My mom has super oily skin all over and she doesn't have any acne..



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:41 PM

 

^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

 

 

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

 

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.

My mom has super oily skin all over and she doesn't have any acne..

 

 

Can you not read? I said there's lots of people with oily skin who don't have acne, just shiny skin. My point was that oily skin and acne go together like type 2 diabetes and obesity - it only happens when genetics are willing.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 12:06 AM

Can you not read? I said there's lots of people with oily skin who don't have acne, just shiny skin. My point was that oily skin and acne go together like type 2 diabetes and obesity - it only happens when genetics are willing.

I can read. You do not need to be rude.

 

I was referring to where you said "And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it."

I just wanted to contribute that there are some people with extremely oily skin, much more than just an oily t-zone, that do not get acne.

 

Also, I have seen a lot of people who seem to have normal oil production but still have acne. For whatever reason, I think people can be prone to one or the other or sometimes both.

 

Oh and have you guys seen CB-03-01? http://www.cosmophar...2009-12-11.aspx

 

It's a new topical anti-androgen that is going through clinical trials right now. I have read that it is being backed by some pretty big pharmaceutical companies and may be available for use as soon as 2014.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 01:48 AM

With so much knowledge I think we should create our own cream with green tea, zinc, vitamins etc.






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