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#61 Jamie Sue

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 06:49 AM


Lots of people have reported gaining weight from saw palmetto, so instead I am taking stinging nettle. I am a girl so the last thing I want is to get fat! Anyway a few days in me and my friend austin are seeing some slight improvements. I think this is going to go well but I am not taking stinging nettle alone. Anyway testosterone isn't bad for acne just the conversion to DHT. Stinging nettle is said to increase testosterone but is a DHT inhibitor. I need to do some more research on this conversion but for now I will take stinging nettle for all its benefits like losing weight, speeding hair growth, reducing DHT levels, and reducing insulin resistance! I love how 1 herb can do all that. It's quite lovely I must say.


Nettle root extract inhibits 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts T to DHT.



So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet :)

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 07:18 AM

This is borderline craziness. DHT is so common in males. I'm paranoid about my acne but this is taking it to far.
Lets start with masturbation.

-It is genetic, in our DNA, blood, and brain to reproduce. Look at the animal kingdom. LOOK AT YOUR DOG! It will hump a pillow at least 3 times a day. These are natural feelings and always have been throughout human history as well as animal history!!!! Its a natural instinct to reproduce, Why do you think we have sex drives? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, More developed and more intelligent but animals non the less.
My goodness. "Having Sexual thoughts, and jerking it give me acne" Do you listen to yourself?! What next? Texting causes acne because it can raise stress or happy hormones? COME ON!!!!!!

- Also Males can not avoid DHT production, We are MALES the alpha's. We are designed by nature to be aggressive, strong, and able to hunt. Nature would not produce this if it didn't think you needed it for survival. Stop trying to reduce Testosterone unless you want to start growing breasts(Yes reducing the Hormone T can cause breast enlargement in males), Rather have giant man boobs or acne? Think about it. Also reducing T will make you shrink like a little girl and gain fat and lose all your muscle mass, and kill your sex drive.

-I'm not saying DHT doesn't raise sebum production, what i'm saying is their is nothing that you can do about it its genetic. But some of these off the wall theories and ideas drive me insane. Look at all the professional athletes or even the athletes at your college(you know the big guys that are stacked and muscle ripped yet have perfect faces)Their DHT LEVELS ARE OFF THE WALL. They workout and train all the time and they EAT, EAT, EAT. Why don't they have acne you ask? Because the DHT theories like most theories are just another far-fetch idea that got bumped into people thinking its real.

-You Have acne, its genetic. Like a lot of other things out there. Am i saying you can't control it to some degree? Not at all. I believe a healthy life style with exercise and a balanced diet will help control it. But its in your Genetic make-up to be susceptible to acne. I do believe food allergens can cause acne, especially foods that were processed with added hormones.

-I Think spending all this time on these wild crazy theories is whats giving you acne. GO JERK OFF!!! YOUR A MALE!!!! You want sex, that's part of our lives. Stop resisting nature and get a girl friend and have some fun. Go outside, get some sunlight(NO SUN DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS), Go hit the weights at the gym get healthy, eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from hormone foods like milk and enjoy life.



I think the whole acne being genetics thing is bull shit because both my parents don't have acne and never did as a teenager. Why is it that the number of individuals with acne has increased over the years? Adult acne as well has increased which was once thought to only be an issue in adolescents. Also america has the highest rate of acne individuals. It's not genetics and fools who believe that are just making excuses for themselves when really acne is a symptom of an unhealthy, out of balanced body. A sign of an unhealthy living. We americans had dun fucked up and expose ourselves to many chemicals, processed foods, and free radicals. We're gross and indulge ourselves in crap every day. I can't even drink a water bottle without exposing my body to xenoestrogens.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:07 AM

So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet Posted Image


YES, but that doesn't mean no acne, it just means no sebum oil production from DHT, for some people that is their sole creator of acne, but not for many. Food allergies are probably one of the biggest factors for all, and it would be wise to start researching the acne-diet connection.

Edited by bobbi364, 18 May 2012 - 08:07 AM.


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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:04 PM


So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet Posted Image


YES, but that doesn't mean no acne, it just means no sebum oil production from DHT, for some people that is their sole creator of acne, but not for many. Food allergies are probably one of the biggest factors for all, and it would be wise to start researching the acne-diet connection.



I have VERY oily skin, I have to apply powder makeup every hour so I don't look greasy. I also have to watch what I wear because I sweat through my clothes, So I wouldn't mind reducing sebum at all! I am also trying to change my diet. Considering going vegan because I am so tired of my breakouts, I think I could be insulin resistant. Another reason why I wanted to try stinging nettle. I might have a food allergy, and If I do I am almost sure its from milk. I try my best to stay away from dairy but I'll continue to research possibilities. I wouldn't mind targeting acne from multiple angles.


Has anyone tried a detox for acne? Like to jump start a new diet? I am considering, but hesitant on it. I'd like to see what you guys have to say about it here on acne.org!

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:43 PM



So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet Posted Image


YES, but that doesn't mean no acne, it just means no sebum oil production from DHT, for some people that is their sole creator of acne, but not for many. Food allergies are probably one of the biggest factors for all, and it would be wise to start researching the acne-diet connection.



I have VERY oily skin, I have to apply powder makeup every hour so I don't look greasy. I also have to watch what I wear because I sweat through my clothes, So I wouldn't mind reducing sebum at all! I am also trying to change my diet. Considering going vegan because I am so tired of my breakouts, I think I could be insulin resistant. Another reason why I wanted to try stinging nettle. I might have a food allergy, and If I do I am almost sure its from milk. I try my best to stay away from dairy but I'll continue to research possibilities. I wouldn't mind targeting acne from multiple angles.


Has anyone tried a detox for acne? Like to jump start a new diet? I am considering, but hesitant on it. I'd like to see what you guys have to say about it here on acne.org!


Diet was the only thing that cleared me for good, and yes I did a complete 180 on my diet, not only did it clear my acne 100%, it also gave me more energy and a happier more positive outlook on life. I eat 80% raw, fruits/veggies/seeds, and then 20% cooked chicken, salmon, or other fish (I use coconut oil to cook with). It was hard at first to change diet because I knew nothing about raw diets, but after about 1 month I got the hang of it. The main problem people have in switching diets is they don't eat enough and feel sick because they don't eat enough. When doing raw you have to eat a lot, and make sure you are getting the calories the body needs. I no longer consume dairy, sugars, gluten, any processed foods, or oils. The only thing I cook is steamed veggies and sauted fish/chicken with fresh herbs and seasonings. You can still have a sex life trust me, I thought before I was always going to be single because if I had sex I would get zits, it just isn't true anymore, not after I found out what caused me inflammation and acne, which was food.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 05:25 PM

Well luckily for me, I love chicken and fish very much! Along with green vegetables. I am going to take your advice, Hey I will probably lose the 15 pounds I've been wanting to lose, I was also thinking about getting a gluten free cookbook and found one on amazon with good reviews. Anyway, I think anyone who says food does not cause acne is so naive! Food is everything! The fuel to our bodies! Like sticking cheap regular gas into an SUV. Gotta feed our body that good stuff that isn't loaded with all those preservatives, chemicals and hormones! My sister grows fresh vegetables in her yard, I should go pick some up from her house! Thanks for the information! I'll let ya know how the diet works for me!

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 05:51 PM

Well luckily for me, I love chicken and fish very much! Along with green vegetables. I am going to take your advice, Hey I will probably lose the 15 pounds I've been wanting to lose, I was also thinking about getting a gluten free cookbook and found one on amazon with good reviews. Anyway, I think anyone who says food does not cause acne is so naive! Food is everything! The fuel to our bodies! Like sticking cheap regular gas into an SUV. Gotta feed our body that good stuff that isn't loaded with all those preservatives, chemicals and hormones! My sister grows fresh vegetables in her yard, I should go pick some up from her house! Thanks for the information! I'll let ya know how the diet works for me!


Good luck, and remember to eat at least 2000 calories in your diet, just google search how many calories are in the fruits/veggies you eat. I eat a lot, A LOT of fruits. I'll easily make two fruit salads a day that are like 700 calories each, I am actually trying to put on a few pounds myself at the moment.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:34 AM

Gonna bring this thread back alive, because I really need help..

So right now i'm trying out the digestive enzymes called Candex to see if that will help my acne. I'm not sure if my acne is caused by Candida or hormones. But in another 2 weeks, If I don't see the results i want to see, im thinking my acne could be hormonal.

I'm a 26 year old male, and i do have acne prone and very oily skin..

I am considering of taking Saw Palmetto for about a month, and see what happens, but before i even do that..i have a question. If Saw Palmetto does help prevent oil production, and help prevent acne, do we still have to keep using it for it to be effective?

Edited by emp2thy, 03 October 2012 - 07:37 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:35 AM

I would like to add something relevant to this discussion.

Multiple orgasms within a short period of time appear to be the sole trigger for my acne. I have become convinced of this after many weeks of testing. Acne appears like clockwork within three days of excessive sexual activity. If I abstain, my face starts to clear within the same amount of time (three days). If I continue to abstain, I will clear up entirely.

Now, before someone jumps in and says masturbation does not cause acne, or even helps acne, I'd like you to consider that everyone is different. I'd also like you to consider that orgasms cause a large spike in DHT, of which I can experience the symptoms in real-time. Only minutes after an orgasm, the physiological changes manifest themselves in the form of profuse redness, itchiness, irritation, micro-bumps, and oiliness. The itchiness occurs in very specific spots of which I make note. In three days those very same spots will erupt in acne. This verifiable and repeatable.

I know I am not alone in my findings because many many others have tried to come forward with this connection only to be shot down by detractors who are either in self denial (due to frustration over their own lack of self-control) or simply lack of understanding, because they do not suffer from the same trigger that we do.

In any case. I am extremely grateful that I finally discovered the "why" after over a decade of dealing with acne. Good luck to you all.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:32 PM

My idea is that zinc is essential for skin/immune development during puberty. Masturbation/sex way too early during puberty when DHT is at its highest causes zinc loss and thus acne.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

My idea is that zinc is essential for skin/immune development during puberty. Masturbation/sex way too early during puberty when DHT is at its highest causes zinc loss and thus acne.


I don't think so. I've been supplementing 75-100mg zinc per day + copper. Like I said, the negative effects on the skin are immediate for me. I don't know what the exact cause is, but it's not due to zinc deficiency.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:54 PM


My idea is that zinc is essential for skin/immune development during puberty. Masturbation/sex way too early during puberty when DHT is at its highest causes zinc loss and thus acne.


I don't think so. I've been supplementing 75-100mg zinc per day + copper. Like I said, the negative effects on the skin are immediate for me. I don't know what the exact cause is, but it's not due to zinc deficiency.


If your zinc levels are on the high side already than supplementing zinc will spike up your testosterone levels even more. 100mg zinc can cause severe toxicity. You only need 10-15mg per day.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:14 PM

If your zinc levels are on the high side already than supplementing zinc will spike up your testosterone levels even more. 100mg zinc can cause severe toxicity. You only need 10-15mg per day.


The point being it's not a zinc deficiency that's triggering my acne, per your theory. It's also not due to excess testosterone seeing as zinc supplementation, stimulation, (without orgasm) and weightlifting has no effect my acne. I'm not saying those can't be triggers for other people, but seeing as the physiological process of orgasm causes very specific fluctuations in certain hormones such as Prolactin and DHT, it's not far fetched to consider some people may have an adverse reaction to those compounds that ultimately manifest as acne.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:22 AM

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Masturbation/sex/orgasm/ejaculation is not the only thing that ramps up DHT production. High fatty diets, high insulin, dairy/milk, processed/refined foods, and others also create pathways to higher DHT production, and does so in a different fashion in each individual. This is why some can ejaculate once a day and never have and adverse affects, while someone could do it once a week and it would be enough DHT production to cause acne, same thing works with other food/diet routines. For me ejaculation raises my DHT production 10x, however I never have any issues with food, as in, food never makes me breakout.

There are ways to help combat DHT production, and I would recommend these to all acne patients.

http://www.ehow.com/...-naturally.html


You have got to be kidding with that link?

Hardly a scientific study that proves this is the cause.

Soy? Yeah okay, wouldn't take that even if you paid me. There are a lot of negative effects with soy.

"This is why some can ejaculate once a day and never have and adverse affects, while someone could do it once a week and it would be enough DHT production to cause acne, same thing works with other food/diet routines. For me ejaculation raises my DHT production 10x, however I never have any issues with food, as in, food never makes me breakout."

You own statement proves that acne isn't a one glove fits all situation. Does the above also account for women with acne? Last time i check they do not ejaculate and have very low testosterone.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:04 AM

Bobbi; TS

 

if you are reading this, you're probably not since you are fully cured, 

i would like to thank you.

guess many here are in the same boat; that DHT srsly screwed us up.

Nonetheless is there any regimen that you can suggest or are following to tip us?

Saw Palmetto

Stinging nettle

Green Tea extract

Zinc

isoflavone 

 

How should we go about regulating these supplements, like consuming all at one go?

 

Thank you.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:33 PM

I would only take these reducing dht supplements before and after I have sex/masturbate..but not daily



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:45 PM

Bobbi; TS

 

if you are reading this, you're probably not since you are fully cured, 

i would like to thank you.

guess many here are in the same boat; that DHT srsly screwed us up.

Nonetheless is there any regimen that you can suggest or are following to tip us?

Saw Palmetto

Stinging nettle

Green Tea extract

Zinc

isoflavone 

 

How should we go about regulating these supplements, like consuming all at one go?

 

Thank you.

 

For awhile I've been taking 50mg zinc before i go to bed and i would have to say it has cleared my acne up 30%ish. I had higher hopes for that, but I'm still going to stick with taking it daily. Ive taken beta sitosterol and saw palmetto in pills and lets just say it messed up my sex drive for a good 6 months. Who would've guessed you needed dht to actually function in that department. I'm now going to attempt the whole topical route. One product is called (Zix) which is actually for hair loss and i'm thinking why couldn't it be applied to your face! In my time of boredom i found a webpage that has a face cream that has beta sitosterol in it and it says it actually blocks dht in the skin. The name of that company is Plexy Labs and the product is called 'Nothing to Hide'. Does anyone know if they are reputable and if you think it is worth a try?? Any other supplements you would recommended would be greatly appreciated. 



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:43 AM

the connection between DHT and Acne is myth, masturbation will not raise your levels of DHT or Test it will lower your levels and increase E2 and Prolactin these are to blame for inflammation and acne



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:19 AM

Please, provide a link to a study that proves that.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 12:23 PM

I use to think it was a myth too, but then why do so many people see such a dramatic clearing of their skin issues when using DHT blockers? I've taken DIM to increase free testosterone and lower estrogen, and P5P in an attempt to lower prolactin. My face was still breaking out like crazy while taking both of these. Then i started taking Beta-Sitosterol and my acne cleared up within a week.  






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