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^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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If you have taken accutane at 15 , you cannot even know if you would not have grown out of your acne anyway. With 15, hormones are far away from being at a stable state. You must not forget that a lot of people just get rid of their acne in their late teenage years.l


Successfully on "the regimen" from age 12 to 33 for cystic acne

Now:

100mg spironolactone since 08/13

Paula's Choice BHA 2%,

Green Cream 6 Retinol

Acne free and already almost free of hyperpigmentation, discolorations and wrinkles


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hi everyone rolleyes.gif , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

if DHT is the aggressor then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png


today Putin is trying to steal our land! and no, i'm not referring to Crimea, but to a part of Moldova!


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If you have taken accutane at 15 , you cannot even know if you would not have grown out of your acne anyway. With 15, hormones are far away from being at a stable state. You must not forget that a lot of people just get rid of their acne in their late teenage years.l

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hi everyone rolleyes.gif , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

if DHT is the aggressor then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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hi everyone rolleyes.gif , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

if DHT is the aggressor then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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thanks alternativista, i've been waiting for this morning to draw some conclusions, but as always i can't.

yesterday i had no new acne, and much recovery, so i tried replicating everything i did a day earlier, and this morning i have a couple of new acne, but all in all very good skin day. usually i have 4 whiteheads twice a day.

i did a couple of changes last days that might have worked:

1. aspirin mask everyday. (extremely usefull) . this is my 4 day.

2. ate cabbage daily, (really hope it's important, this is my main hope). (it's anti-andogenic)

3. drank 2 cups of mentha tea (hope it's anti androgenic)

4. water + salt topical(important i think)

5. lavander oil (not sure it works)

6. washed my hair with only sulf soap. i don't know what i'm trying anymore smile.png)


today Putin is trying to steal our land! and no, i'm not referring to Crimea, but to a part of Moldova!


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hi everyone rolleyes.gif , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

if DHT is the aggressor then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png

Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production

any girls do have acne and hirsutism. I do.

I don't understand the beard comment.

Or the bacteria one. But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.

Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast. Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health. (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).

Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways. The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation. It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne. It can increase immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting. And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.

the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples are true acne and are affected by your diet.

Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance. But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said. when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules. The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy.

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hi everyone :rolleyes: , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

if DHT is the aggressor then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle :nod: )

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.:)

Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production

any girls do have acne and hirsutism. I do.

I don't understand the beard comment.

Or the bacteria one. But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.

Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast. Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health. (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).

Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways. The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation. It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne. It can increase immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting. And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.

the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples are true acne and are affected by your diet.

Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance. But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said. when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules. The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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hi everyone rolleyes.gif , u guys seem to know and make some sense out of this acne. i find it utterly RANDOM.

if DHT is the aggressor then why i don't remember seing any acne guy bald?

why don't i hear acne girls having hirsutism? (well..thats out of my reach)

but even the acne guys i can remember have "incipient" beards (including me)

why if it's a bacteria infection doesnt the bacteria knock u out in its prime, and why in it's weakest moment (when it lost a lot of "ground" and it's almost gone) it randomly gains terrain again (without u doing anything different)?

of course i have many Q some ..impertinent:

why does exercise cause acne so many times?

why on a good skin day when i ask myself what my diet was the previous day, it's mostly bad diet (little water, some animal fats, fried in oil, to much bread & simple carbohydrates, many times much stress)

why after months and years of carefull diet and skincare and reseach, when i look for a photo of me i find out i had less acne before (when i'd had the usual terrible student diet&lifestyle nod.gif )

the only small reasoning of acne that i found is this: there are 2 sides of acne

1 whiteheads (or/blackheads - not in my case anymore) - this is what i call acne

2 inflamated (red/deep/bumps/cysts i thing u call them) - this is a more general state of health or imune sistem state, which depends on diet&lifestyle, this surrounds acne but i don't call it actual acne

of course i wouldn't stick my hand in the fire for this reasoning.smile.png

Different DHT receptors are involved in hair growth vs sebum production

any girls do have acne and hirsutism. I do.

I don't understand the beard comment.

Or the bacteria one. But bacteria isn't the cause of acne and killing it isn't the solution. Your skin can defend itself if you stop doing things that hinder it's ability.

Your skin can be good on the day or day after you eat badly because acne doesn't form that fast. Except in the case of food intolerances, it's how you habitually eat that leads to poor acne and health. (also, animal fats aren't necessarily bad, btw. They are better than vegetable oil, margarine & crisco and other industrial fats).

Exercise can worsen acne in a number of ways. The workouts most people do cause inflammation which is a factor in acne formation. It can increase cortisol which elevates blood sugar which is a factor in acne. It can increase immune response which means you might get a reaction to a food or other substance that you wouldn't get while resting. And it can elevate androgen hormones involved in acne.

the white and blackheads as well as inflamed pimples are true acne and are affected by your diet.

Deep cysts and nodules are also considered true acne, but I believe they tend to be a direct response to a food intolerance. But that is from anecdotal evidence from my experience and from what many people here have said. when people announce they've figures out a specific food triggers their acne, they are almost always talking cysts or nodules. The exceptions being dairy & gluten as there are several ways those contribute to acne besides allergy.

Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.

Accutane.. its terrible in every which way. Used in serious cases, but often too soon while the body is still growing when it comes to teens and young adults. But society and social media can drive a person to make rash, quick decisions because of the judgement a person receives, driving them to extremes to fit in. My cousin just went through this. I consulted with her and told her never to say yes to accutane use after the derm suggested it. Within a month of proper supplemtation, some diet restrictions, and BP use she is practically clear. It just takes dedication and time.

EDIT: about the thread.. yes well i pay attention to who replied then well the topic. I see its an old one.

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Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.

Ok. I think in there you are saying you were active when you consumed the cookies and/or are active most of the time, therefore you demonstrate my point. And you fall perfectly into 'my category' as you said in that erroneous rant about my claims and that I must despise you.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Ive been a reader far longer than a registered user. I have read many of your posts and only the bits and peices that stuck out i remember but they surface from time to time on different subjects; its also late when i reply mostly so that also increases error. I do not discrete your work, but i am critical, and from a patient stand point i like to provide points of views, ideas, and personal experience to those that stumble upon these forums and threads days or years from now like i did. I had to laugh, sitting on my ass? Not these days, not even when it comes to charting.

Ok. I think in there you are saying you were active when you consumed the cookies and/or are active most of the time, therefore you demonstrate my point. And you fall perfectly into 'my category' as you said in that erroneous rant about my claims and that I must despise you.

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HI, just wondering if the Nothing to Hide cream worked for you?!

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