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D H T The Sole Creator Of Acne

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Bobbi; TS

if you are reading this, you're probably not since you are fully cured,

i would like to thank you.

guess many here are in the same boat; that DHT srsly screwed us up.

Nonetheless is there any regimen that you can suggest or are following to tip us?

Saw Palmetto

Stinging nettle

Green Tea extract

Zinc

isoflavone

How should we go about regulating these supplements, like consuming all at one go?

Thank you.

For awhile I've been taking 50mg zinc before i go to bed and i would have to say it has cleared my acne up 30%ish. I had higher hopes for that, but I'm still going to stick with taking it daily. Ive taken beta sitosterol and saw palmetto in pills and lets just say it messed up my sex drive for a good 6 months. Who would've guessed you needed dht to actually function in that department. I'm now going to attempt the whole topical route. One product is called (Zix) which is actually for hair loss and i'm thinking why couldn't it be applied to your face! In my time of boredom i found a webpage that has a face cream that has beta sitosterol in it and it says it actually blocks dht in the skin. The name of that company is Plexy Labs and the product is called 'Nothing to Hide'. Does anyone know if they are reputable and if you think it is worth a try?? Any other supplements you would recommended would be greatly appreciated.

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the connection between DHT and Acne is myth, masturbation will not raise your levels of DHT or Test it will lower your levels and increase E2 and Prolactin these are to blame for inflammation and acne

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I use to think it was a myth too, but then why do so many people see such a dramatic clearing of their skin issues when using DHT blockers? I've taken DIM to increase free testosterone and lower estrogen, and P5P in an attempt to lower prolactin. My face was still breaking out like crazy while taking both of these. Then i started taking Beta-Sitosterol and my acne cleared up within a week.

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Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

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Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

I guess you could say they are safe in small amounts but most people mega dose to see results. Beta Sitosterol is the main ingredient in saw palmetto that decreases dht. I'm guessing this is why people see such good results when using it. Side effects wise I would definitely have to agree that I couldn't think as clearly as normal. I just ordered a cream called Nothing to Hide by Plexy Labs a few days ago. I asked people on here if anyone had used it or thought the company was reputable. Sadly no one repliedneutral.gif Sooo I stepped out in faith. They claim that it blocks dht on the skin and it doesn't have any side effects.

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Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

I guess you could say they are safe in small amounts but most people mega dose to see results. Beta Sitosterol is the main ingredient in saw palmetto that decreases dht. I'm guessing this is why people see such good results when using it. Side effects wise I would definitely have to agree that I couldn't think as clearly as normal. I just ordered a cream called Nothing to Hide by Plexy Labs a few days ago. I asked people on here if anyone had used it or thought the company was reputable. Sadly no one repliedneutral.gif Sooo I stepped out in faith. They claim that it blocks dht on the skin and it doesn't have any side effects.

Great. Please remember to tell about your experiences with that cream! I hope it helps. I may order it someday. So you used beta sitosterol? Did it clear your acne completely?

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I know it sounds hilarious because I am from a different country, but I actually know the guy that is running the hairlosstalk site/forum and selling the opical spiro cream. I was honestly thinking it could be a great idea to work together with him and create a spiro cream that is more adjusted to acne skin. But it makes no sense to do that over an ocean, but if somebody on here that is from Miami or surroundings, I would ask him if he wants to do that.


Successfully on "the regimen" from age 12 to 33 for cystic acne

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100mg spironolactone since 08/13

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Green Cream 6 Retinol

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Are those safe? Some have reported side-effects like decreased cognitive ability after taking saw palmetto long term.

I guess you could say they are safe in small amounts but most people mega dose to see results. Beta Sitosterol is the main ingredient in saw palmetto that decreases dht. I'm guessing this is why people see such good results when using it. Side effects wise I would definitely have to agree that I couldn't think as clearly as normal. I just ordered a cream called Nothing to Hide by Plexy Labs a few days ago. I asked people on here if anyone had used it or thought the company was reputable. Sadly no one repliedneutral.gif Sooo I stepped out in faith. They claim that it blocks dht on the skin and it doesn't have any side effects.

Great. Please remember to tell about your experiences with that cream! I hope it helps. I may order it someday. So you used beta sitosterol? Did it clear your acne completely?

I definitely will! I have high hopesrolleyes.gif The pills i took were 350 mg and i started to see clearing in the second week. That was with just taking one pill a day. My body is pretty sensitive to supplements though so dosage might be more for other people. I was almost completely clear but the side effects were not worth it.

I would just like to remind people that if you need a really high dose of saw palmetto to see results, you can try lowering your dose and making up the difference with spironolactone CREAM, which is safe for males, and you can buy over the counter.

The only problem is that you can find a lot of men complain that Spironolactone cream actually caused a drop in there overall androgen levels. So that means that this strong anti-androgen does get absorbed through your skin, but to the point it gets into your blood stream. From what I understand is that it blocks all androgens in general and works as an antagonist to their receptors. I would rather just down regulate DHT production without harming my testosterone levels as well.

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I would just like to remind people that if you need a really high dose of saw palmetto to see results, you can try lowering your dose and making up the difference with spironolactone CREAM, which is safe for males, and you can buy over the counter.

The only problem is that you can find a lot of men complain that Spironolactone cream actually caused a drop in there overall androgen levels. So that means that this strong anti-androgen does get absorbed through your skin, but to the point it gets into your blood stream. From what I understand is that it blocks all androgens in general and works as an antagonist to their receptors. I would rather just down regulate DHT production without harming my testosterone levels as well.

I don't think we have any clinical data that supports that a 5% spironolactone topical cream gets absorbed into the bloodstream to the point that it lowers systemic androgen levels.

So if we're going anecdotally by just what people say on the internet, I would say that anecdotally men are particularly susceptible to the placebo effect, and if they THINK there is a chance that something will lower their testosterone systemically, they will start looking for "lower libido" or "I don't feel like a man today" and blame it on whatever they are taking for acne.


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Most people with acne don't really have any true DHT imbalances just sebaceous glands that are more sensitive to it. Everyone that is acne prone has some genetic tendency to produce toe much sebum and for their pores to easily clog.The only thing that can really resolve this is Accutane.

This is borderline craziness. DHT is so common in males. I'm paranoid about my acne but this is taking it to far.

Lets start with masturbation.

-It is genetic, in our DNA, blood, and brain to reproduce. Look at the animal kingdom. LOOK AT YOUR DOG! It will hump a pillow at least 3 times a day. These are natural feelings and always have been throughout human history as well as animal history!!!! Its a natural instinct to reproduce, Why do you think we have sex drives? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, More developed and more intelligent but animals non the less.

My goodness. "Having Sexual thoughts, and jerking it give me acne" Do you listen to yourself?! What next? Texting causes acne because it can raise stress or happy hormones? COME ON!!!!!!

- Also Males can not avoid DHT production, We are MALES the alpha's. We are designed by nature to be aggressive, strong, and able to hunt. Nature would not produce this if it didn't think you needed it for survival. Stop trying to reduce Testosterone unless you want to start growing breasts(Yes reducing the Hormone T can cause breast enlargement in males), Rather have giant man boobs or acne? Think about it. Also reducing T will make you shrink like a little girl and gain fat and lose all your muscle mass, and kill your sex drive.

-I'm not saying DHT doesn't raise sebum production, what i'm saying is their is nothing that you can do about it its genetic. But some of these off the wall theories and ideas drive me insane. Look at all the professional athletes or even the athletes at your college(you know the big guys that are stacked and muscle ripped yet have perfect faces)Their DHT LEVELS ARE OFF THE WALL. They workout and train all the time and they EAT, EAT, EAT. Why don't they have acne you ask? Because the DHT theories like most theories are just another far-fetch idea that got bumped into people thinking its real.

-You Have acne, its genetic. Like a lot of other things out there. Am i saying you can't control it to some degree? Not at all. I believe a healthy life style with exercise and a balanced diet will help control it. But its in your Genetic make-up to be susceptible to acne. I do believe food allergens can cause acne, especially foods that were processed with added hormones.

-I Think spending all this time on these wild crazy theories is whats giving you acne. GO JERK OFF!!! YOUR A MALE!!!! You want sex, that's part of our lives. Stop resisting nature and get a girl friend and have some fun. Go outside, get some sunlight(NO SUN DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS), Go hit the weights at the gym get healthy, eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from hormone foods like milk and enjoy life.

I think the whole acne being genetics thing is bull shit because both my parents don't have acne and never did as a teenager. Why is it that the number of individuals with acne has increased over the years? Adult acne as well has increased which was once thought to only be an issue in adolescents. Also america has the highest rate of acne individuals. It's not genetics and fools who believe that are just making excuses for themselves when really acne is a symptom of an unhealthy, out of balanced body. A sign of an unhealthy living. We americans had dun fucked up and expose ourselves to many chemicals, processed foods, and free radicals. We're gross and indulge ourselves in crap every day. I can't even drink a water bottle without exposing my body to xenoestrogens.

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^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/dermatoendocrinology/article/19828/

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=479093

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If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/dermatoendocrinology/article/19828/

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=479093

Sorry but there are people on this website not from the "west" still experiencing acne. It is not just a western plague. And diet doesn't go hand and hand with bad skin, I eat like sh*t now and my skin is virtually perfect. Something doesn't add up.

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As excess sebum production was the reason for your acne, accutane solved this problem for you because your oil glands are shrunk. So no matter what shit you eat, as long as accutane is working for you, they cannot produce too much sebum even if your DHT levels are going crazy.

But this does not have to be forever. They can grow again and hormones can stimulate them to produce too much oil again, especially if our acne is hormone cycle triggered. I have seen males that got cured with roaccutane, but the girls and women I know usually had acne relapses after a few moths or years, because of the constant up-and-down stimulation in their monthly cycle..

Accutane reduces gland size, but it does not affect DHT sensitivity, at least as far as I know.

So for people that have been successful with accutane, it is a good idea to take the good status quo as a basis to work with. This means LOW DHT stimulation by keeping hormones balanced, and a good diet.

Although accutane has suppressed your acne now, you are still genetically acne prone. And for genetically acne prone people, diet often has an influence on their breakouts. Not now, your oil glands are tiny now. But I would be careful not to stimulate them too much.

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Successfully on "the regimen" from age 12 to 33 for cystic acne

Now:

100mg spironolactone since 08/13

Paula's Choice BHA 2%,

Green Cream 6 Retinol

Acne free and already almost free of hyperpigmentation, discolorations and wrinkles


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If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/dermatoendocrinology/article/19828/

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=479093

Sorry but there are people on this website not from the "west" still experiencing acne. It is not just a western plague. And diet doesn't go hand and hand with bad skin, I eat like sh*t now and my skin is virtually perfect. Something doesn't add up.

Actually in general diet does go hand in hand with acne , I know if I eat junk food/sugar my skin goes bad so there is a correlation factor no question . If you think diet has nothing to do with acne you are fooling yourself.

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If you are acne prone then diet / trigger foods is always the answer for long term control , you are what you eat. Acne really is a cosmetic condition of Western Civilization , in poorer country's people really don't have Acne but people always want an easy answer with drugs from the derm , much less work but usually this doesn't work and is side effect riddled.

https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/dermatoendocrinology/article/19828/

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=479093

Sorry but there are people on this website not from the "west" still experiencing acne. It is not just a western plague. And diet doesn't go hand and hand with bad skin, I eat like sh*t now and my skin is virtually perfect. Something doesn't add up.

Actually in general diet does go hand in hand with acne , I know if I eat junk food/sugar my skin goes bad so there is a correlation factor no question . If you think diet has nothing to do with acne you are fooling yourself.

Really? Are you a dermatologist?...

You can have your opinions, that's perfectly fine but do not try to make "blanket statements". That's a little presumptuous to be honest. Food doesn't affect everybody's acne, that may seem illogical to you but that's just how some peoples systems work. We are not all the same.

As excess sebum production was the reason for your acne, accutane solved this problem for you because your oil glands are shrunk. So no matter what shit you eat, as long as accutane is working for you, they cannot produce too much sebum even if your DHT levels are going crazy.

But this does not have to be forever. They can grow again and hormones can stimulate them to produce too much oil again, especially if our acne is hormone cycle triggered. I have seen males that got cured with roaccutane, but the girls and women I know usually had acne relapses after a few moths or years, because of the constant up-and-down stimulation in their monthly cycle..

Accutane reduces gland size, but it does not affect DHT sensitivity, at least as far as I know.

So for people that have been successful with accutane, it is a good idea to take the good status quo as a basis to work with. This means LOW DHT stimulation by keeping hormones balanced, and a good diet.

Although accutane has suppressed your acne now, you are still genetically acne prone. And for genetically acne prone people, diet often has an influence on their breakouts. Not now, your oil glands are tiny now. But I would be careful not to stimulate them too much.

I took Accutane at fifteen, I'm now 24! I've had very little recurrence since then so it's safe to say I have had a fairly successful remission. Also my hormones were never irregular, I just had a sensitivity problem. Acne can also resolve as one gets older too.

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^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.

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There is a BIG problem that is often overlooked , for people who took antibiotics before , which in reality destroy the immune system , acne returns with a vengeance due to a compromised immune system . Especially round after round of antibiotics VERY VERY BAD NEWS. There are MUCH better alternatives to anti-life biotics .

Wild Oil of Oregano is just as potent as any synthetic antibiotic , without the nasty side effects ,in reality antibiotics destroy the immune system 80% of the immune system is in the stomach/gut .Germs are literally assimilated good and bad the ones that are killed off are gone for life leaving that person in worse shape than before and prone to chronic infections down the road due to the damage that has occurred. Over use of antibiotics are a BIG part of todays health problems , Here is the BEST PART Drug resistance does not develop against naturally-occuring antibiotics such as garlic and Oil of Oregano , nature always has a SAFE ANSWER.

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^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.

My mom has super oily skin all over and she doesn't have any acne..

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^everyone with acne' does not have oily skin. And many clear skinned people do have oily skin. There are genetic tendencies behind acne, but they are to do with sebum composition and cell proliferation.

Two courses of accutane did nothing for me and for many people, it only works temporarily. Hence the many 'about to start accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time' threads.

oily skin and acne are very much a common occurrence together, I have heard more than a few times of people with dry skin getting acne but it's not as common as in an oily skin type. And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it.

I think in addition to having oily skin, most people with inflammatory acne have pores that clog a bit too easily and who's immune system has a "freak out" to the bacteria in the skin creating an unnecessary amount of inflammation kind of like Asthma.

My mom has super oily skin all over and she doesn't have any acne..

Can you not read? I said there's lots of people with oily skin who don't have acne, just shiny skin. My point was that oily skin and acne go together like type 2 diabetes and obesity - it only happens when genetics are willing.

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Can you not read? I said there's lots of people with oily skin who don't have acne, just shiny skin. My point was that oily skin and acne go together like type 2 diabetes and obesity - it only happens when genetics are willing.

I can read. You do not need to be rude.

I was referring to where you said "And yes there are people with oily skin but no acne, they just get shiny around their t-zone and that's pretty much it."

I just wanted to contribute that there are some people with extremely oily skin, much more than just an oily t-zone, that do not get acne.

Also, I have seen a lot of people who seem to have normal oil production but still have acne. For whatever reason, I think people can be prone to one or the other or sometimes both.

Oh and have you guys seen CB-03-01? http://www.cosmopharmaceuticals.com/news/press/pr2009/2009-12-11.aspx

It's a new topical anti-androgen that is going through clinical trials right now. I have read that it is being backed by some pretty big pharmaceutical companies and may be available for use as soon as 2014.

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With so much knowledge I think we should create our own cream with green tea, zinc, vitamins etc.

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