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I've been doing research, and dht is not the "bad guy", the body needs it, and it has its positive effects and bas effects. During puberty, teenagers experience a natural period of insulin resistance, lately, research says it might sexual hormones (androgens) disorder in this period too. Im 17 and i find it difficult to gain muscle, i have to eat a lot. So, could taking a dht blocker (saw palmetto specifically) affect my natural development somehow? no facial hair, less muscle gain or something, many websites claim it is important to weight gain and a normal development of the body during puberty? whats your possition about this? Spiro blocks dht and androgens productions too, and it isnt recommended for men whatsoever


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-I controlled my acne after cutting off whey protein, after 4 months it came back.

-Then i tried an strict paleo diet, it worked. But the ocassional few pimples didnt let my PIH fade

-I wasnt happy with my routine, coudnt drink with my friends, eat different food and the worst: i was loosing confidence

-When my PIH was fading, i broke out, because i tried vitamin C to end with the ocassional pimples, which might cause stomach irritation=break out

- I wasnt happy because of my diet, just broke out, and i started accutane asap.

- Currently, im taking accutane even thought my acne is mild, but with persistant PIH, just few weeks left, no more pimples anymore.

"If i had a wish, i woudnt ask for flawless skin, I'd ask for the maxium of confidence"

Poeple think they are going to be happy and confident if they get rid of their acne...well..they are totally wrong


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Who ever sad DHT alone is the "bad guy"? Clearly I have stated that SPIKES in DHT are bad, as they over stimulate the sebum glands. I have never heard of people losing muscle mass from saw palmetto and would think that it would hard to do so, the only reason one loses muscle mass is from less protein consumption, watch interviews with Arnold S. about that, the only way he could lose weight was to eat a very low protein diet. Yes, gaining weight is very important, specially during your teens. EAT EAT and EAT some more, dieting right now for you wouldn't be advised specially if you are trying to gain muscle, you have get fat before you start gaining muscle, perhaps a high calorie diet is in your near future. I personally eat about 3-4 thousand calories a day, and I am still underweight, I am trying to gain a little bit of weight back myself.

Getting back to the DHT spikes and how they cause acne. I don't think saw palmetto will help you in this, nor will any other DHT inhibitor. The reason I say this is because although they can lower DHT production, DHT will still spike during those DHT events. I just think an overall life style change would be the best approach, that is a hard thing to consider trust me, but if you were to experience the two differences you wouldnt second guess the idea.

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I've been doing research, and dht is not the "bad guy", the body needs it, and it has its positive effects and bas effects. During puberty, teenagers experience a natural period of insulin resistance, lately, research says it might sexual hormones (androgens) disorder in this period too. Im 17 and i find it difficult to gain muscle, i have to eat a lot. So, could taking a dht blocker (saw palmetto specifically) affect my natural development somehow? no facial hair, less muscle gain or something, many websites claim it is important to weight gain and a normal development of the body during puberty? whats your possition about this? Spiro blocks dht and androgens productions too, and it isnt recommended for men whatsoever

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This is borderline craziness. DHT is so common in males. I'm paranoid about my acne but this is taking it to far.

Lets start with masturbation.

-It is genetic, in our DNA, blood, and brain to reproduce. Look at the animal kingdom. LOOK AT YOUR DOG! It will hump a pillow at least 3 times a day. These are natural feelings and always have been throughout human history as well as animal history!!!! Its a natural instinct to reproduce, Why do you think we have sex drives? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, More developed and more intelligent but animals non the less.

My goodness. "Having Sexual thoughts, and jerking it give me acne" Do you listen to yourself?! What next? Texting causes acne because it can raise stress or happy hormones? COME ON!!!!!!

- Also Males can not avoid DHT production, We are MALES the alpha's. We are designed by nature to be aggressive, strong, and able to hunt. Nature would not produce this if it didn't think you needed it for survival. Stop trying to reduce Testosterone unless you want to start growing breasts(Yes reducing the Hormone T can cause breast enlargement in males), Rather have giant man boobs or acne? Think about it. Also reducing T will make you shrink like a little girl and gain fat and lose all your muscle mass, and kill your sex drive.

-I'm not saying DHT doesn't raise sebum production, what i'm saying is their is nothing that you can do about it its genetic. But some of these off the wall theories and ideas drive me insane. Look at all the professional athletes or even the athletes at your college(you know the big guys that are stacked and muscle ripped yet have perfect faces)Their DHT LEVELS ARE OFF THE WALL. They workout and train all the time and they EAT, EAT, EAT. Why don't they have acne you ask? Because the DHT theories like most theories are just another far-fetch idea that got bumped into people thinking its real.

-You Have acne, its genetic. Like a lot of other things out there. Am i saying you can't control it to some degree? Not at all. I believe a healthy life style with exercise and a balanced diet will help control it. But its in your Genetic make-up to be susceptible to acne. I do believe food allergens can cause acne, especially foods that were processed with added hormones.

-I Think spending all this time on these wild crazy theories is whats giving you acne. GO JERK OFF!!! YOUR A MALE!!!! You want sex, that's part of our lives. Stop resisting nature and get a girl friend and have some fun. Go outside, get some sunlight(NO SUN DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS), Go hit the weights at the gym get healthy, eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from hormone foods like milk and enjoy life.

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thanks for your reply. i bought b6 a while ago but so so so many people reported breakouts from it i got really worried and upon searching on google b6 and b12 were the vitamins that most commonly broke people out so i steered clear from them. how does b6 relate to hormonal acne (the positives?) also im curious when you break out worse? right before your period and clear up on your period? I've only been taking saw palmetto for about a week.. im a little worried now I'll break out >.< im curious why people might break out on saw palmetto..does it directly affect your hormones? i thought it just helped block inhibit dht (a lot of people suggested it to me for that reason). thats a bit confusing how one would have negative affects from that..

i think im so lost right now. i wish i could have my period 24/7 just so i could have a clear face.

the extreme is literally so extreme. right now 80% of my face is so so soft and perfect and clear, better than all my friends skin..it legit looks airbrushed. but i know in about a weeks time i will have my 1000s of little bumps, big painful pimples and lots of bumps and rough skin. i honestly cant believe how quickly it comes and goes. makes me wonder why that raise in some hormones or drop in another can honestly be that affecting and why it actually is so much to produce this acne kinda like theres a fine line between perfect skin and not so perfect skin. i get no other hormonal issues, never emotional, never have pains or headache, moody etc but seems like my hormones change that much to cause the acne. just doesnt make any sense -_-

I have read a lot that vitamin b6 does break out some people, supposedly pyrodixine is the one associated to that but p5p which is the form I'm taking seems to be ok. B6 is supposed to lower prolactin levels which at the same time could lower 5-AR activity. I break out just after my mid cycle, although I can have very mild spots before. I'm super clear while on my period, my skin just glows at that time, also much less oily as well. Saw palmetto can lower estrogen levels so if you are low on that side then it could probably get you more break outs and it does lowers DHT because I was shedding a bit my hair before saw palmetto but after taking it very little shedding, but I got neck acne in exchange sad.png. May be get some of these vitamin levels tested?. I can tell you for sure that vitamin b6 does not break me out for sure. I'm very certain is helping because I get some spots on my chest when I break out and now very mild ones, it takes time to work. Supposedly 3 months to see a difference from what I read but I can already notice a difference after 2 months.

im a little worried to take saw palmetto now, im not sure if i should stop? its been about a week i think. my acne has pretty much remained its usual. im not sure what my hormone levels are as im on the pill and certainly not ready to get off diane until i can least get my face clear because facing the hell of getting off the pill :/ i suppose one might be able to work out my hormone levels by the behaviour of my acne? im fairly skinny though and dont get any other 'female' issues like cramps etc as mentioned. can saw palmetto really change your hormones that much? do you think maybe any breakouts for yourself might have been an IB? im so lost in this battle. not sure what to take. everything just seems dangerous. i might try b6 again after giving SP a go. i only take one sp pill a day but yeah havnt noticed any change better or for worse. knowing me and my luck i'll probably get worse.

what can one tell about hormonal levels if they're clear during their period week? like right now im on my 3-4th day but my periods are very short so even though i'll be on my sugar pills i wont actually get my period til about the 3rd day and only 3 day with an actual period. (does that say anything about my hormone levels do you think?) considering i dont get period side effects except for no acne (best days of my life .. how sad).

and my acne stays around all month but gets way worse about 2 or so weeks before my period. wish i knew what that meant and what i could do to work it out. considering my hormon levels went out of whack by themselves its so confusing as to what to do to get them back when i didnt even do anything to force them out of whack. if thats even what they are.

although nothing else could make me get acne relating around my period by hormones? food doesnt seem to affect me obviously. whether i ate chocolate or a carrot my acne stays the same (note- i only eat healthy food thats for sure though, but abot 8 months ago i tested if food did anything to me, spent a week eating crap food and nothing changed) kinda wish it did, would know i was doing something to help. im curious about B6. so which hormone is it actually affecting? im b12 deficiant (not sure how that happened considering what i eat) but yeah i was nervous because b12 and b6 were known to break people out.. thanks for your opinions by the way smile.png

I'll spare too much background and just say that I know DHT is most of my problem...terrible cystic acne and hair loss began at the same time and have persisted. It's like all of a sudden, at 20.5 years old, something turned on in my body and told it to make more testosterone (though a hormone panel said my testosterone is normal), convert more testosterone, or be more sensitive to DHT! I'm coming up on a year since my hair and skin went so downhill, and while my hair looks okay, I've still got the red scars on my face and receding hairline to prove it...

I decided to try and inhibit DHT with 320mg of saw palmetto a day. My hair chilled out a little bit and I saw fast, dramatic improvement in my skin. (Also, my boobs increased a full cup size, which was a lot of fun I will say.) I was very happy, even though I was gaining some weight.

But about 3.5 weeks in, I was noticing that my mind felt really cloudy. It is hard to explain, but I totally understand what it means to have brain fog now. I have never felt so out of sorts. After 4 weeks, I went off the saw palmetto (and sadly, my boobs are back to normal).

It's been proposed by some that inhibiting 5-alpha reductase (type I or II or both, I'm not sure) may impair cognition. I sure can't explain specifics, but 5-AR and DHT do have a role in cognitive processing. So it appears that some people, what percent I sure can't say, may experience this god-awful brain fog from inhibiting 5-AR. Some men who've taken Propecia for male pattern baldness have complained of fogginess.

Mine subsided once I stopped taking the saw palmetto, but sometimes I feel like I'm still not as sharp as I should be.

Just wanted to share my experience. I'm looking deeper into the connection between diet and acne now (reading The Clear Skin Diet), and hopefully through eating and eliminating the right things and supplementation I can improve my situation.

have you tried diet before?

I'm definitely not sure what to do about saw palmetto. might give it more time but i like my brain >.<

this is such a lose lose battle. never a win win :/

how is your acne? is it better with your period ? are you on bc?

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If you're clear during your period it could be a few things. 1. You have low levels of estrogen and testosterone during this time. 2. You should have high levels of progesterone during this time.

So, you should really get your hormones tested mid-month and also during your period to see what's going on.

It could be you need more progesterone or you have too many androgens mid-month.

I had this same issue and my hormone levels were all in range, so I don't know what to tell you. Diet didn't work for me. In fact, it made me worse, actually. I believe it lowered my estrogen since I had no carbs, but I'm not sure why that happened.

Anyway, I'm using topicals now because I'm done with AA's like spiro. They gave me ulcers. Also, SP can cause pancreatitis and liver disorders in addition to ulcers. There are case reports of the liver/pancreas incidents.


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Lots of people have reported gaining weight from saw palmetto, so instead I am taking stinging nettle. I am a girl so the last thing I want is to get fat! Anyway a few days in me and my friend austin are seeing some slight improvements. I think this is going to go well but I am not taking stinging nettle alone. Anyway testosterone isn't bad for acne just the conversion to DHT. Stinging nettle is said to increase testosterone but is a DHT inhibitor. I need to do some more research on this conversion but for now I will take stinging nettle for all its benefits like losing weight, speeding hair growth, reducing DHT levels, and reducing insulin resistance! I love how 1 herb can do all that. It's quite lovely I must say.

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Lots of people have reported gaining weight from saw palmetto, so instead I am taking stinging nettle. I am a girl so the last thing I want is to get fat! Anyway a few days in me and my friend austin are seeing some slight improvements. I think this is going to go well but I am not taking stinging nettle alone. Anyway testosterone isn't bad for acne just the conversion to DHT. Stinging nettle is said to increase testosterone but is a DHT inhibitor. I need to do some more research on this conversion but for now I will take stinging nettle for all its benefits like losing weight, speeding hair growth, reducing DHT levels, and reducing insulin resistance! I love how 1 herb can do all that. It's quite lovely I must say.

Nettle root extract inhibits 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts T to DHT.

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This is borderline craziness. DHT is so common in males. I'm paranoid about my acne but this is taking it to far.

Lets start with masturbation.

-It is genetic, in our DNA, blood, and brain to reproduce. Look at the animal kingdom. LOOK AT YOUR DOG! It will hump a pillow at least 3 times a day. These are natural feelings and always have been throughout human history as well as animal history!!!! Its a natural instinct to reproduce, Why do you think we have sex drives? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, More developed and more intelligent but animals non the less.

My goodness. "Having Sexual thoughts, and jerking it give me acne" Do you listen to yourself?! What next? Texting causes acne because it can raise stress or happy hormones? COME ON!!!!!!

- Also Males can not avoid DHT production, We are MALES the alpha's. We are designed by nature to be aggressive, strong, and able to hunt. Nature would not produce this if it didn't think you needed it for survival. Stop trying to reduce Testosterone unless you want to start growing breasts(Yes reducing the Hormone T can cause breast enlargement in males), Rather have giant man boobs or acne? Think about it. Also reducing T will make you shrink like a little girl and gain fat and lose all your muscle mass, and kill your sex drive.

-I'm not saying DHT doesn't raise sebum production, what i'm saying is their is nothing that you can do about it its genetic. But some of these off the wall theories and ideas drive me insane. Look at all the professional athletes or even the athletes at your college(you know the big guys that are stacked and muscle ripped yet have perfect faces)Their DHT LEVELS ARE OFF THE WALL. They workout and train all the time and they EAT, EAT, EAT. Why don't they have acne you ask? Because the DHT theories like most theories are just another far-fetch idea that got bumped into people thinking its real.

-You Have acne, its genetic. Like a lot of other things out there. Am i saying you can't control it to some degree? Not at all. I believe a healthy life style with exercise and a balanced diet will help control it. But its in your Genetic make-up to be susceptible to acne. I do believe food allergens can cause acne, especially foods that were processed with added hormones.

-I Think spending all this time on these wild crazy theories is whats giving you acne. GO JERK OFF!!! YOUR A MALE!!!! You want sex, that's part of our lives. Stop resisting nature and get a girl friend and have some fun. Go outside, get some sunlight(NO SUN DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS), Go hit the weights at the gym get healthy, eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from hormone foods like milk and enjoy life.

*Moderator edit - Read the board rules!* i hate when someone "shouts" how people should stop being obsessed over acne and "get a life". we are not here to get some tips on how to get a life, we are here to get clear skin! if u cant help then dont respond.////

the amount of test converted to DHT while training/weightlifting is practically zero.

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Lots of people have reported gaining weight from saw palmetto, so instead I am taking stinging nettle. I am a girl so the last thing I want is to get fat! Anyway a few days in me and my friend austin are seeing some slight improvements. I think this is going to go well but I am not taking stinging nettle alone. Anyway testosterone isn't bad for acne just the conversion to DHT. Stinging nettle is said to increase testosterone but is a DHT inhibitor. I need to do some more research on this conversion but for now I will take stinging nettle for all its benefits like losing weight, speeding hair growth, reducing DHT levels, and reducing insulin resistance! I love how 1 herb can do all that. It's quite lovely I must say.

Nettle root extract inhibits 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts T to DHT.

So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet :)

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This is borderline craziness. DHT is so common in males. I'm paranoid about my acne but this is taking it to far.

Lets start with masturbation.

-It is genetic, in our DNA, blood, and brain to reproduce. Look at the animal kingdom. LOOK AT YOUR DOG! It will hump a pillow at least 3 times a day. These are natural feelings and always have been throughout human history as well as animal history!!!! Its a natural instinct to reproduce, Why do you think we have sex drives? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, More developed and more intelligent but animals non the less.

My goodness. "Having Sexual thoughts, and jerking it give me acne" Do you listen to yourself?! What next? Texting causes acne because it can raise stress or happy hormones? COME ON!!!!!!

- Also Males can not avoid DHT production, We are MALES the alpha's. We are designed by nature to be aggressive, strong, and able to hunt. Nature would not produce this if it didn't think you needed it for survival. Stop trying to reduce Testosterone unless you want to start growing breasts(Yes reducing the Hormone T can cause breast enlargement in males), Rather have giant man boobs or acne? Think about it. Also reducing T will make you shrink like a little girl and gain fat and lose all your muscle mass, and kill your sex drive.

-I'm not saying DHT doesn't raise sebum production, what i'm saying is their is nothing that you can do about it its genetic. But some of these off the wall theories and ideas drive me insane. Look at all the professional athletes or even the athletes at your college(you know the big guys that are stacked and muscle ripped yet have perfect faces)Their DHT LEVELS ARE OFF THE WALL. They workout and train all the time and they EAT, EAT, EAT. Why don't they have acne you ask? Because the DHT theories like most theories are just another far-fetch idea that got bumped into people thinking its real.

-You Have acne, its genetic. Like a lot of other things out there. Am i saying you can't control it to some degree? Not at all. I believe a healthy life style with exercise and a balanced diet will help control it. But its in your Genetic make-up to be susceptible to acne. I do believe food allergens can cause acne, especially foods that were processed with added hormones.

-I Think spending all this time on these wild crazy theories is whats giving you acne. GO JERK OFF!!! YOUR A MALE!!!! You want sex, that's part of our lives. Stop resisting nature and get a girl friend and have some fun. Go outside, get some sunlight(NO SUN DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!!! SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS), Go hit the weights at the gym get healthy, eat lots of fruits and vegetables, stay away from hormone foods like milk and enjoy life.

I think the whole acne being genetics thing is bull shit because both my parents don't have acne and never did as a teenager. Why is it that the number of individuals with acne has increased over the years? Adult acne as well has increased which was once thought to only be an issue in adolescents. Also america has the highest rate of acne individuals. It's not genetics and fools who believe that are just making excuses for themselves when really acne is a symptom of an unhealthy, out of balanced body. A sign of an unhealthy living. We americans had dun fucked up and expose ourselves to many chemicals, processed foods, and free radicals. We're gross and indulge ourselves in crap every day. I can't even drink a water bottle without exposing my body to xenoestrogens.

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So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet smile.png

YES, but that doesn't mean no acne, it just means no sebum oil production from DHT, for some people that is their sole creator of acne, but not for many. Food allergies are probably one of the biggest factors for all, and it would be wise to start researching the acne-diet connection.

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So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet smile.png

YES, but that doesn't mean no acne, it just means no sebum oil production from DHT, for some people that is their sole creator of acne, but not for many. Food allergies are probably one of the biggest factors for all, and it would be wise to start researching the acne-diet connection.

I have VERY oily skin, I have to apply powder makeup every hour so I don't look greasy. I also have to watch what I wear because I sweat through my clothes, So I wouldn't mind reducing sebum at all! I am also trying to change my diet. Considering going vegan because I am so tired of my breakouts, I think I could be insulin resistant. Another reason why I wanted to try stinging nettle. I might have a food allergy, and If I do I am almost sure its from milk. I try my best to stay away from dairy but I'll continue to research possibilities. I wouldn't mind targeting acne from multiple angles.

Has anyone tried a detox for acne? Like to jump start a new diet? I am considering, but hesitant on it. I'd like to see what you guys have to say about it here on acne.org!

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So no 5-alpha reductase = no DHT? Sweet smile.png

YES, but that doesn't mean no acne, it just means no sebum oil production from DHT, for some people that is their sole creator of acne, but not for many. Food allergies are probably one of the biggest factors for all, and it would be wise to start researching the acne-diet connection.

I have VERY oily skin, I have to apply powder makeup every hour so I don't look greasy. I also have to watch what I wear because I sweat through my clothes, So I wouldn't mind reducing sebum at all! I am also trying to change my diet. Considering going vegan because I am so tired of my breakouts, I think I could be insulin resistant. Another reason why I wanted to try stinging nettle. I might have a food allergy, and If I do I am almost sure its from milk. I try my best to stay away from dairy but I'll continue to research possibilities. I wouldn't mind targeting acne from multiple angles.

Has anyone tried a detox for acne? Like to jump start a new diet? I am considering, but hesitant on it. I'd like to see what you guys have to say about it here on acne.org!

Diet was the only thing that cleared me for good, and yes I did a complete 180 on my diet, not only did it clear my acne 100%, it also gave me more energy and a happier more positive outlook on life. I eat 80% raw, fruits/veggies/seeds, and then 20% cooked chicken, salmon, or other fish (I use coconut oil to cook with). It was hard at first to change diet because I knew nothing about raw diets, but after about 1 month I got the hang of it. The main problem people have in switching diets is they don't eat enough and feel sick because they don't eat enough. When doing raw you have to eat a lot, and make sure you are getting the calories the body needs. I no longer consume dairy, sugars, gluten, any processed foods, or oils. The only thing I cook is steamed veggies and sauted fish/chicken with fresh herbs and seasonings. You can still have a sex life trust me, I thought before I was always going to be single because if I had sex I would get zits, it just isn't true anymore, not after I found out what caused me inflammation and acne, which was food.

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Well luckily for me, I love chicken and fish very much! Along with green vegetables. I am going to take your advice, Hey I will probably lose the 15 pounds I've been wanting to lose, I was also thinking about getting a gluten free cookbook and found one on amazon with good reviews. Anyway, I think anyone who says food does not cause acne is so naive! Food is everything! The fuel to our bodies! Like sticking cheap regular gas into an SUV. Gotta feed our body that good stuff that isn't loaded with all those preservatives, chemicals and hormones! My sister grows fresh vegetables in her yard, I should go pick some up from her house! Thanks for the information! I'll let ya know how the diet works for me!

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Well luckily for me, I love chicken and fish very much! Along with green vegetables. I am going to take your advice, Hey I will probably lose the 15 pounds I've been wanting to lose, I was also thinking about getting a gluten free cookbook and found one on amazon with good reviews. Anyway, I think anyone who says food does not cause acne is so naive! Food is everything! The fuel to our bodies! Like sticking cheap regular gas into an SUV. Gotta feed our body that good stuff that isn't loaded with all those preservatives, chemicals and hormones! My sister grows fresh vegetables in her yard, I should go pick some up from her house! Thanks for the information! I'll let ya know how the diet works for me!

Good luck, and remember to eat at least 2000 calories in your diet, just google search how many calories are in the fruits/veggies you eat. I eat a lot, A LOT of fruits. I'll easily make two fruit salads a day that are like 700 calories each, I am actually trying to put on a few pounds myself at the moment.

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Gonna bring this thread back alive, because I really need help..

So right now i'm trying out the digestive enzymes called Candex to see if that will help my acne. I'm not sure if my acne is caused by Candida or hormones. But in another 2 weeks, If I don't see the results i want to see, im thinking my acne could be hormonal.

I'm a 26 year old male, and i do have acne prone and very oily skin..

I am considering of taking Saw Palmetto for about a month, and see what happens, but before i even do that..i have a question. If Saw Palmetto does help prevent oil production, and help prevent acne, do we still have to keep using it for it to be effective?

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I would like to add something relevant to this discussion.

Multiple orgasms within a short period of time appear to be the sole trigger for my acne. I have become convinced of this after many weeks of testing. Acne appears like clockwork within three days of excessive sexual activity. If I abstain, my face starts to clear within the same amount of time (three days). If I continue to abstain, I will clear up entirely.

Now, before someone jumps in and says masturbation does not cause acne, or even helps acne, I'd like you to consider that everyone is different. I'd also like you to consider that orgasms cause a large spike in DHT, of which I can experience the symptoms in real-time. Only minutes after an orgasm, the physiological changes manifest themselves in the form of profuse redness, itchiness, irritation, micro-bumps, and oiliness. The itchiness occurs in very specific spots of which I make note. In three days those very same spots will erupt in acne. This verifiable and repeatable.

I know I am not alone in my findings because many many others have tried to come forward with this connection only to be shot down by detractors who are either in self denial (due to frustration over their own lack of self-control) or simply lack of understanding, because they do not suffer from the same trigger that we do.

In any case. I am extremely grateful that I finally discovered the "why" after over a decade of dealing with acne. Good luck to you all.

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My idea is that zinc is essential for skin/immune development during puberty. Masturbation/sex way too early during puberty when DHT is at its highest causes zinc loss and thus acne.

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My idea is that zinc is essential for skin/immune development during puberty. Masturbation/sex way too early during puberty when DHT is at its highest causes zinc loss and thus acne.

I don't think so. I've been supplementing 75-100mg zinc per day + copper. Like I said, the negative effects on the skin are immediate for me. I don't know what the exact cause is, but it's not due to zinc deficiency.

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My idea is that zinc is essential for skin/immune development during puberty. Masturbation/sex way too early during puberty when DHT is at its highest causes zinc loss and thus acne.

I don't think so. I've been supplementing 75-100mg zinc per day + copper. Like I said, the negative effects on the skin are immediate for me. I don't know what the exact cause is, but it's not due to zinc deficiency.

If your zinc levels are on the high side already than supplementing zinc will spike up your testosterone levels even more. 100mg zinc can cause severe toxicity. You only need 10-15mg per day.

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If your zinc levels are on the high side already than supplementing zinc will spike up your testosterone levels even more. 100mg zinc can cause severe toxicity. You only need 10-15mg per day.

The point being it's not a zinc deficiency that's triggering my acne, per your theory. It's also not due to excess testosterone seeing as zinc supplementation, stimulation, (without orgasm) and weightlifting has no effect my acne. I'm not saying those can't be triggers for other people, but seeing as the physiological process of orgasm causes very specific fluctuations in certain hormones such as Prolactin and DHT, it's not far fetched to consider some people may have an adverse reaction to those compounds that ultimately manifest as acne.

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Masturbation/sex/orgasm/ejaculation is not the only thing that ramps up DHT production. High fatty diets, high insulin, dairy/milk, processed/refined foods, and others also create pathways to higher DHT production, and does so in a different fashion in each individual. This is why some can ejaculate once a day and never have and adverse affects, while someone could do it once a week and it would be enough DHT production to cause acne, same thing works with other food/diet routines. For me ejaculation raises my DHT production 10x, however I never have any issues with food, as in, food never makes me breakout.

There are ways to help combat DHT production, and I would recommend these to all acne patients.

http://www.ehow.com/...-naturally.html

You have got to be kidding with that link?

Hardly a scientific study that proves this is the cause.

Soy? Yeah okay, wouldn't take that even if you paid me. There are a lot of negative effects with soy.

"This is why some can ejaculate once a day and never have and adverse affects, while someone could do it once a week and it would be enough DHT production to cause acne, same thing works with other food/diet routines. For me ejaculation raises my DHT production 10x, however I never have any issues with food, as in, food never makes me breakout."

You own statement proves that acne isn't a one glove fits all situation. Does the above also account for women with acne? Last time i check they do not ejaculate and have very low testosterone.


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Bobbi; TS

if you are reading this, you're probably not since you are fully cured,

i would like to thank you.

guess many here are in the same boat; that DHT srsly screwed us up.

Nonetheless is there any regimen that you can suggest or are following to tip us?

Saw Palmetto

Stinging nettle

Green Tea extract

Zinc

isoflavone

How should we go about regulating these supplements, like consuming all at one go?

Thank you.

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