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Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:39 AM

i being a vegetarian was skeptical about cutting potato from my diet.. i have potato every day.. but i havnt for last 3 days n i can already see the improvement.. m on a very strict diet so i wantd 2 have juice so i dont feel hungry a lot so these vegitable juice is low n suger right

2 tomatoes
2 carrots
2 cucumbers
1/2 beetroot

coz i read even carrot n beetroot are high GI food!!


Yes, carrots and beetroot's are high GI food's. I'd be using them in moderation. :)

Stick to the more bitter medicinal vegetables such as kale, spinach, etc.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:10 AM

i being a vegetarian was skeptical about cutting potato from my diet.. i have potato every day.. but i havnt for last 3 days n i can already see the improvement.. m on a very strict diet so i wantd 2 have juice so i dont feel hungry a lot so these vegitable juice is low n suger right

2 tomatoes
2 carrots
2 cucumbers
1/2 beetroot

coz i read even carrot n beetroot are high GI food!!


Add celery instead of tomatoes will lower ur sugar and also dandelion greens. Juicing book website have many recipes.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:04 AM

Although I do find your insight quite fascinating, I think I'll have to do my own research before delving into a diet of pills.

I've been thinking of connecting with some urban farmers instead, and buying properly grown fresh veges from them rather than mass agro stuff @ the supermarkets. Any thoughts on that matter?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:47 PM

Although I do find your insight quite fascinating, I think I'll have to do my own research before delving into a diet of pills.

I've been thinking of connecting with some urban farmers instead, and buying properly grown fresh veges from them rather than mass agro stuff @ the supermarkets. Any thoughts on that matter?


Doing your own research is the most I can ask for! It's good that you can think for yourself. :)

Buying fresh produce/meat from your local farmers is the ideal thing you can do. It's how I get most of my food. By far, the best route you can take.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 10:23 PM

Vegetable Juice every morning is awesome.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 10:54 PM

As a person iknow what is like and ask "if it works why ask questions" and i won't argue with what works for whoever this works for. Great if it works however i tend to look at things based on knowledge and previous experience and reflect on it.

I can say that this
Vitamin A -- 20,000 IU

Vitamin C -- 5 grams (Get the powder Vitamin C)(Intake throughout the day)

(Maybe) Vitamin D -- 5,000 IU (You should get Vitamin D from the sun, 10 minutes min.). If you're a reclusive vampire, make sure to supplement.

Zinc -- 50 mg

Vitamin B5 -- This is if you have oily skin. ~1 gram(s). It's completely non toxic. Also with B vitamins you should take them with the other B vitamins.

B-Complex - You want to get your B-complex vitamins throughout the day. You urinate water soluble vitamins, so make sure to replenish.

Pro-biotic - One with multiple strains of bacteria and over 15 billion units. 80-100 billion units total daily.


Is scary.

everything ive done (today) can be done with supplements as well although the point is im not using any supplements besides pro/prebiotics for lactose intolerance, either way the following can eliminate the use of such heavy supplementation: Eating better is the key, moderation, knowing what your consuming and how it will effect you, and encompassing some sort of excercise routine* into your life is key. (excercise can even be walking for 30mins 2-3 days a week).

Vitamin A is fatsoluble so watch your intake and check for signs of OD, also depends which type of Vitamin A you are taking (from cod liver oil, synthetic, natural ect),

Vitamin C is water soluble and has an RDA of 300mgs or so... and your saying 5grams? Sure its peed out but that doesnt mean it has no effect on the body... such a high dose can cause water balance problems which can effect other systems especiallly sodium and potassium levels partially because Vitamin C increases fuild retention and draws water into the GI tract which in this case would most definitely result in a bad case of diarrhea. I took 1gram for a week and had these results..

Vitamin D is from personal experience did not help and made things worse because its came from cod liver oil (most of the time- read your labels). Some people have no problem with this, i did.

Zinc, aww yes how can we forget. Just watch your intake and GI symptoms as this guy can not only impair copper intake as well as lead to defiency in other minerals like iron (which will cause anemia resulting in fatigue and malaise) it can cause some nasty GI problems and terrible dreams. Take 2hrs after a meal for best absorption and avoid calcium as they compete. Other than that i cant say more than, i tried it, it worked but took awhile to see effects but also had effect on my hormones (over time) lead to bad GI problems.

B5 is great for sleep, and great for PMS in women. No real problems for me anyway though i do not take it anymore. No need. Same with bcomplex.

EFA's are debatable and even recent data says they DO NOT help. Its debatable and some people have problems because of the sources in which the fats come from and the balance of omega 3,6,9 in the body. Too much of 1 of these effects the other and can be counter productive.


Supplements are great and i see they helped ya but as a general for warning not always the answer and expensive long term.
I did all this and more. Today i basically get all the same stuff by just knowing what im eating. Cereals, oatmeal, and wheat bread are great for your b vitamins and using apple juice, fruit, or something in between is great for getting your boost of Vitamin C in the beginning of the day. Vitamin A and Zinc would come from fortified foods which by the way are supposed to absorbed the same way regular vitamins (except folic acid which is better absorbed in synethic form than natural).

Basically the above needs to be applied when eating and you elminate the need for megadosing and its much safier. You would be better off if you took coenzymes and a low dose multi with eating right/healthy than megadosing on X amount of pills.

However, what works for you works. Although as a health care person and soon to be professional (*crosses fingers) i would advise against it in an effort to say your body from harm.


Just providing this out there for those that read old threads. Remember safety and good practice otherwise you could end up with a srs condition that could result in permanent damage. I for one am a victim although a lucky victim.


And as a note i did not read the rest of the post and mostly focused on the supplementing though i did read the h20 intake and that right there is so crucial and probably one of the most important parts besides eating better, healthier, and with a plan.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 11:19 PM

Thanks for your input. However, I have to say that all of the dosages I mention are perfectly safe. All of the vitamins and minerals are derived from natural sources if using the product I recommended. Also, you say you're a health care "soon to be professional," no offense, but most people in the current health-care model all contribute to the problem. They are all drug-pushing salesmen, funded by big pharma - that will only harm you, possibly kill you.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:20 AM

Hello people. First of all, I would like to say I know your pain. I know how debilitating acne is. I had moderate-severe acne and it severely hindered my social life. I would avoid friends and even family. I had a hard time staring people in the eye when talking to them.
I had clear skin through most of my childhood. Funny thing is I never really washed my face or even cared about it. I started to develop minor pimples around my junior/senior years of high school. Then it got pretty bad during my freshman years of college.

I finally decided enough was enough. I went into mega research mode and tried many different things I read online.

*Note* The following regimen is for people who want to drastically change their lives for the better. It's not for skeptics or lazy people. Only through hard work and motivation will this work for you. It's up to you to take back your body, and not rely on dermatologists or doctors who could care less about your overall health. They are pawns of the medical establishment model dictated by big pharmaceutical companies who are only treating their patients as cash cows.

Things I tried

I have tried so many OTC products. From ProActiv to several other Acne creams I can't even remember... Of course, none of them worked. I also tried Differin and Minocycline - Did not work either. I came to the conclusion that taking anti-biotic's, or slathering chemicals on my face wasn't going to work (or at least be the only solution).

Investigation

I was so frustrated that finally common sense slapped me in the face. I thought to myself, "Why are these pimples forming?" I know I had good skin hygiene. I wash my face 2-3 time daily - It obviously wasn't that. I realized it had to be diet. There's no other explanation.

So I started researching nutrition. I then found out what really causes acne. And there isn't just one type of acne - There's seven different types of acne.

Androgenic Acne (Male hormone acne, most common)(Women can get it too)
Adrenal Acne
Digestive Acne
Premenstrual conditions
Menopausal Acne
Thyroid Acne
Liver Acne

I'll explain in more detail about each one in the future, but I'll outline what the root cause for all of them are. [Some are harder to treat than others (e.g. Liver acne).]

There's an intimate connection between diet and acne. Insulin affects sebum and oil secretion. If you're producing a lot of insulin, you will break out more. Drinking soda and eating candy will spike your insulin (I'm sure most people know that). But the hidden dagger is grains. Grains will spike your insulin too. That means: Bread, Rice, Oatmeal, Cereals, Bagels, etc... You're going to have to eliminate all insulin spiking foods. People with Androgenic acne will notice results almost overnight by fixing their diet.

Nutrition supplementation is very important. Our body consistently needs an influx of vitamins and minerals. Throughout history, humans got the vitamins and minerals through the food they ate. Back then, almost everyone was farmers. All food was organic and fresh. They did proper soil maintenance, rotating crops, and adding vitamins and minerals to the soil that the plants absorb and retain. Now here we all are in the present times: Industrial revolution, massive agriculture businesses, massive pesticides and chemical fertilizers. Our food is tainted. Most people don't even realize it. The vegetables that are grown by these massive agribusinesses have only one thing in concern - $$ Money $$. They aren't adding the vitamins and minerals to the soil. They aren't rotating crops properly. They're adding extremely harmful fertilizers and pesticides. It's a disaster what agriculture has become.

If you're eating a well-balanced diet with lots of vegetables, you're doing better than people living on grains and fast-food, but you still won't be getting enough of the vitamins and minerals your body needs.
If you are eating a horrible diet, after years (and for a lot even decades) of eating badly, you've been starving your body of these essential vitamins and minerals - That's when problems start to arrive. Acne is not a skin problem, it's an internal problem.

After years of abusing our system, we start to cripple our immune system and organs. The evidence is all around us - Look at people. How many are healthy and vibrant looking? Not that many. How many old people are dieing of degenerative diseases? Almost all of them. Let me tell you, everyone should be aging gracefully and disease free.

Acne is a very minor disease compared to other diseases a lot of you most likely will get down the road ( I'm sad to say, unless you change your lifestyle right now). Acne is a blessing (omg what?!). It's our bodies giving us a warning that something is wrong. Most people are only treating the symptom, and not the cause. It's really the only thing doctors and dermatologists know to do.
"Try this cream. Oh bummer, didn't work? Maybe this cream. Crap... Didn't work either. Try this antibiotic! Aww man, you got acne again? Accutane time!"

If doctors and dermatologists really cared about you, they would ask you about your diet and life style. They are very quick at prescribing you something that will only make the problem much worse down the road.

"The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease." - Thomas A. Edison

Fortunately there are alternatives to getting enough of the vitamins and minerals our body needs. With modern technology, they have been able to isolate different vitamins and minerals for supplementation. There are tons of different brands of vitamins and minerals - Some are good, some are bad.

So I've layed out a few of the key principals as to why the welfare of humans is in such a dismal state. I'll try to lay out the vitamins and the dosage needed daily and what brand I recommend.

Supplementation

Supplements to take:

Vitamin A -- 20,000 IU

Vitamin C -- 5 grams (Get the powder Vitamin C)(Intake throughout the day)

(Maybe) Vitamin D -- 5,000 IU (You should get Vitamin D from the sun, 10 minutes min.). If you're a reclusive vampire, make sure to supplement.

Zinc -- 50 mg

Vitamin B5 -- This is if you have oily skin. ~1 gram(s). It's completely non toxic. Also with B vitamins you should take them with the other B vitamins.

B-Complex - You want to get your B-complex vitamins throughout the day. You urinate water soluble vitamins, so make sure to replenish.

Pro-biotic - One with multiple strains of bacteria and over 15 billion units. 80-100 billion units total daily.

**Essential Fatty Acid's** (EFA's) -- EFA's are VERY important. You want to get a even Omega 3 to 6 ratio. 1:1 or 1:2 is where you want to be at. The thing is, most people are Omega 3 deficient. As much as a 1:60 ratio! You'll want to start supplementing EFA's to balance that ratio. Flaxseed oil is the best source of EFA's you can get. Take 3-6 tablespoons of Flaxseed oil daily. Also take a little of Fish oil + borage oil to balance out the EFA's for the most ideal EFA balance. Taking EFA's alone you will notice a dramatic difference in your skin. Your skin will start to glow. NO ONE should have dry skin. EFA's is what naturally hydrates your skin. Ever see those people with vibrant looking, beautiful skin? That's because they're getting enough of the EFA's their body needs. Added with that, you can also buy whole flaxseed and grind them with a coffee grinder and add them to your smoothies or salads. It's a great way to add more of these ESSENTIAL fats everyone needs in their diet! It's also a great way to get your fiber too.

Digestive Enzymes - After every meal take a couple digestive enzymes. It will help with digestion tremendously. One with lipase is important .
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Ok, so the items I listed above are all extremely important in correlation to your skin and acne. You still need all of the required vitamins and minerals for your body to function properly. I've been doing extensive research on many different types of vitamins and mineral brands out there. I found that the best one out there is a product here http://infowarsteam.com/100900223 called Beyond Tangy Tangerine. It's a powder that you mix with water (tastes amazing too) and it has over 120 vegetables and all the vitamins and minerals your body needs. The reason why this is the best one is because of the full spectrum of vitamins and minerals and you drink it in liquid form. Your body will absorb the vitamins and minerals MUCH easier and better in liquid fashion. It's also all natural. Some vitamins in pill form aren't even digested, and leave your body as a pill! "The Alex Pack" from that website I linked earlier is what I use. You get the BTT + EFA's + Calcium (and other minerals).

Now let me explain how to drink the Beyond Tangy Tangerine. What you do is mix 1 scoop in a water bottle. You don't drink it all at once: you drink it throughout the day. You're getting the full spectrum of vitamins and minerals, in a low dose that your body needs as your day goes along.

So that's for the supplementation, now let me lay out what foods I consume/avoid.


Food I Consume/Avoid

I avoid: All grains such as: Rice, Oatmeal, Bread, Cereal, Pasta, etc...
Obvious things to avoid are drinks in high calories, such as: sugary juices, sodas
Avoid dangerous oils. Canola oil, soybean oil, vegetable oil are all highly refined oils that are bad for you. Goods oils are: Extra virgin olive oil and Coconut oil.
Starchy foods are also problematic like white potatoes and peas. (starch gets converted into sugar)
Avoid aspartame, MSG, fluoride and any other synthetic created chemical.

What to consume: Vegetables, Vegetables, Vegetables! Ideally you should be eating veggies for breakfast, lunch. and dinner. Added with that is good sources of protein. Chicken, Fish, and Eggs, are all good sources of protein. (Once in a while I'll eat red meat).
Organ meats are very good for you, e.g. liver. Bone soup is incredibly healing. Salads are good.
Organic, grass fed butter is very healthy.
Cultured Vegetables is a really good way to get pre/probiotics. (google it to learn how to make it)

Protein is very important. Most people are under proteinated. You should be getting at least .5 - 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. What everybody should be doing is taking protein powders. The best source of protein powder is 100% Whey protein (If you're one of the few that can't tolerate Whey protein, there are alternatives such as Hemp protein, Egg protein, etc). I drink a glass of protein with water with every meal. And if you're a guy and lifting weight like me, you should get 2-3 grams of protein per pound of body weight. Also, the cool part with being amply proteinated, your sugar cravings will diminish. When you crave sugar, it's because your brain is telling you you don't have enough protein.

The secret is to hack into your brain wiring. If you're craving any sort of grains/sugar, that means you're protein deficient. If you're craving greasy fat foods, get your EFA's. In short:
Craving Grains/Sugar - Drink Protein
Craving Fatty foods - Get your EFA's

Reminder - You want to avoid food that will raise your blood sugar levels. That means sugar containing food(yes that means keep fruits in token quantities), and grains.


Conclusion

So I have been clear for 6 months now. I used to have moderate-severe acne and now my skin is as smooth as it was when I was 13 years old. I still have a few red blemishes from my old acne that's healing (gone now). But when I run my hand through my skin, I'm still amazed at how soft and smooth it is after all these years from having acne. I even feel great and healthy now. I know this may be a dramatic life style change for some people, but this is what it took for me to finally get rid of the awful skin disease known as acne. I wish you guys the best of luck. Posted Image

Feel free to ask any questions.

Edit

I should also add a few more things that will help contribute to clearing your acne.

Exercise is very important. It helps moves your blood around and oxygenate your body. It also helps move around all the nutrients throughout your body. A little as 15 minutes of a hard work out, stressing out your body is all you need to maintain good health. Deep breathing is also important. At least for 1 minute(or longer! There's some neat apps on the iPhone) a day do deep inhaling and powerful exhaling. A clear state of mind without stress is vital too. Meditating, deep breathing, or yoga can all help achieve that.

At least 8 glasses of water a day. It cleanses and detoxifies your body. Men should drink 3 liters(13 cups); Woman 2.2 liters(9 cups) for the best results. I have a 1 gallon jug so it's easy to know where I'm at.

Also, some people may have troubles absorbing the vitamins (this is true especially if you're older). If you do have problems, I suggest you take digestive enzymes for every meal you eat. Also get a liquid form of the vitamins and minerals. Your body will absorb the nutrients MUCH easier in liquid fashion.


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Step-by-step list of what I do
(This is an example of what I do, you can tweak it to better fit your needs)

Breakfast

Drink 2 glasses of water (or a green veggie juice). Sip on my Beyond Tangy Tangerine. Wait 15-20 min before eating food.
Soft boil/lightly scramble 4-5 eggs. Lightly steam vegetables of choice: Season to taste (Salt and pepper), Coconut oil/Olive oil (coconut preferred), grass-fed butter
Protein Shake
Take 2-3 digestive enzymes (with lipase), Take 3 EFA's (or mix 1-2 tablespoons in a drink), and 1 probiotic's, Osteo FX
Sip on some more Beyond Tangy Tangerine throughout the day

Lunch

Big Salad (and I mean big, LoL) with chicken/eggs/ whatever toppings you want. Some homemade salad dressing with Flaxseed oil (careful with commercial salad dressings that have bad, highly refined oils)
Protein Shake (depending if/how much I worked out 1-2 scoops)
Take 1-2 digestive enzymes, 2-3 EFA's, 2 probiotic's
Sip on some more Beyond Tangy Tangerine throughout the day

Dinner

Dinner Varies I'll show an example of a meal though.
Oven roasted Wild-Caught Alaskan Salmon seasoned to taste and lemon juice. Lightly Steamed Vegetables of choice or a bare Salad.
Protein Shake
2 Digestive Enzymes, 3 EFA's, 2-3 Probiotic's
1 multivitamin, 50mg Zinc Picolinate
Sipping rest of Beyond Tangy Tangerine

P.S. I recommend people get a digestive enzyme with lipase. It will help with absorption of the EFA's. I recommend the one from the website I linked above.

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Glad this worked for you. I take many of the supplments you list and was on a paleo diet for almost 3 month and it did nothing to help my acne unfortunately. This is awesome information though!

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 02:17 PM

Did you do anything topically?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:43 PM

Thanks for your input. However, I have to say that all of the dosages I mention are perfectly safe. All of the vitamins and minerals are derived from natural sources if using the product I recommended. Also, you say you're a health care "soon to be professional," no offense, but most people in the current health-care model all contribute to the problem. They are all drug-pushing salesmen, funded by big pharma - that will only harm you, possibly kill you.

One thing that completely throws away any credentials you have though is saying:
"EFA's are debatable and even recent data says they DO NOT help. Its debatable and some people have problems because of the sources in which the fats come from and the balance of omega 3,6,9 in the body. Too much of 1 of these effects the other and can be counter productive."

All modern scientific data proves that EFA's are essential and mandatory for good health. Why do you think they're called Essential Fatty Acid's? I'm sorry, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about by saying that. You can't live without EFA's... Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, I would refrain from making comments. Someone might actually take what you say seriously and end up killing themselves...

"Today i basically get all the same stuff by just knowing what im eating. Cereals, oatmeal, and wheat bread are great for your b vitamins and using apple juice"

You do know that cereals are so void of nutrition that they have to add those additional vitamins? They also spike your insulin, creating more break outs. Apple juice is also very high in sugar: especially since it goes straight to your blood stream without the fiber of apple's slowing down the breakdown of sugar.

"Vitamin C is water soluble and has an RDA of 300mgs or so... and your saying 5grams?"

Read my prior post. Vitamin C is completely non-toxic and safe.


Okay, no offense is definitely the attitude at work here,

however you are not licensed to say with 100% confidence that the above dosages are "100% safe". Such a statement is mere laughter when you consider RDA's, DRI's, UL's to name a few.

Coming from natural sources versus pills does not automatically mean better or even safer, such is the same case in organic vs not oranic foods. Its merely situational (and dependent on the soil, soil content, and fertilizers used ect). A great example is vitamin C which can be food in abundance in apple juice and other citrius/passion fruits and then you have your supplements which give you a concentrated dose of the same vitamin. You're going to tell me and everyone else that reads this that "natural means safe". Drinking and or eating enough fruits high in vitamin c will give you the same adverse effects as taking 5 grams of vitamin C. The end result is diarrhea, excessive fluid output, more water in the GI tract. Excessive fluid output i.e. diarrhea leads to dehydration and electrolyte imbalance, and interferes with other nutrients and their absorption. All in all that statement you made is false.

And thats why i am here. To warn people and tell them to practice safety because you don't want to end up with an irreversible complication because alot of this stuff is not monitored and education on "this stuff in general" is not known to the public.

Secondly, just because im in the health care field does not mean that im bribed by drug companies, or have a flawed out lookout, and or mean that im the cause of the problem. A definite problem is what you just protrayed. Lack of suffiecent knowledge and making statements that are incorrect. Now, thats not an insult, just a statement from someone who has went to school and is going to school still and learning this "stuff." ANd its my job when i get my degree to educate patients that i care for. So you're saying "im the problem"? Naw, not likely. Is the health care system messed up and run by big corps? Sure, but still in this care irrelivant to what we are talkin about. Im trying to protect peoples health from bad effects from these megadoses of supplements. WHat works for you is not going to work the same way to a T in someone else. That is why we do not treat a patient with disease X the same across the board. Everyone is different.

Now, I'm not sure if i read this article on Skyscape Med Alert or not, but they did conduct a pretty big study that found that dosing with EFA's spefically EPA/DHA's to be NOT as helpful as they had forcasted in earlier studies. Even some evidences showed no effect at all (which also goes back to my last paragraph),

Now i don't expect the general public to know as they probably don't have acess to Skyscape Med Alert as its a subscription based service that provides a ton of info on a variety of health care related items which include studys that can get later published on the web, specifically on pubmed.gov. So, its not your fault that you do not have the updated info. However, i do agree that EFA's are essential, but the amounts differ for everyone and like i said tampering with can lead to an imbalance. A proper diet is suggested otherwise problems can occur. Evidence of this is the forum member who ended up having a liver tumor from excessive, prolonged use of EFA's.


So, my advice is to not make such bold statements and for everyone to do alittle reading before trying something like you suggest. I dont have a problem with it as its your own body, but even though your desperate, please practice some common sense and safety.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:21 AM

I had to stop taking the vitamins because it was swelling up my throat, felt like i had strep throat and was extremely painful.. pain went away after i stopped taking the pills for a couple days.

Not willing to try this again

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

I had to stop taking the vitamins because it was swelling up my throat, felt like i had strep throat and was extremely painful.. pain went away after i stopped taking the pills for a couple days.

Not willing to try this again


That's pretty rare and sounds like an allergic reaction. What kind of vitamins/brand were you taking?

Also, elaborate on "Not willing to try this again" because to summarize, I say to eat healthy, avoid bad food, exercise and supplement. Are you saying you're not going to do the latter?

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 03:44 PM



Thanks for your input. However, I have to say that all of the dosages I mention are perfectly safe. All of the vitamins and minerals are derived from natural sources if using the product I recommended. Also, you say you're a health care "soon to be professional," no offense, but most people in the current health-care model all contribute to the problem. They are all drug-pushing salesmen, funded by big pharma - that will only harm you, possibly kill you.

One thing that completely throws away any credentials you have though is saying:
"EFA's are debatable and even recent data says they DO NOT help. Its debatable and some people have problems because of the sources in which the fats come from and the balance of omega 3,6,9 in the body. Too much of 1 of these effects the other and can be counter productive."

All modern scientific data proves that EFA's are essential and mandatory for good health. Why do you think they're called Essential Fatty Acid's? I'm sorry, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about by saying that. You can't live without EFA's... Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, I would refrain from making comments. Someone might actually take what you say seriously and end up killing themselves...

"Today i basically get all the same stuff by just knowing what im eating. Cereals, oatmeal, and wheat bread are great for your b vitamins and using apple juice"

You do know that cereals are so void of nutrition that they have to add those additional vitamins? They also spike your insulin, creating more break outs. Apple juice is also very high in sugar: especially since it goes straight to your blood stream without the fiber of apple's slowing down the breakdown of sugar.

"Vitamin C is water soluble and has an RDA of 300mgs or so... and your saying 5grams?"

Read my prior post. Vitamin C is completely non-toxic and safe.


Okay, no offense is definitely the attitude at work here,

however you are not licensed to say with 100% confidence that the above dosages are "100% safe". Such a statement is mere laughter when you consider RDA's, DRI's, UL's to name a few.

Coming from natural sources versus pills does not automatically mean better or even safer, such is the same case in organic vs not oranic foods. Its merely situational (and dependent on the soil, soil content, and fertilizers used ect). A great example is vitamin C which can be food in abundance in apple juice and other citrius/passion fruits and then you have your supplements which give you a concentrated dose of the same vitamin. You're going to tell me and everyone else that reads this that "natural means safe". Drinking and or eating enough fruits high in vitamin c will give you the same adverse effects as taking 5 grams of vitamin C. The end result is diarrhea, excessive fluid output, more water in the GI tract. Excessive fluid output i.e. diarrhea leads to dehydration and electrolyte imbalance, and interferes with other nutrients and their absorption. All in all that statement you made is false.

And thats why i am here. To warn people and tell them to practice safety because you don't want to end up with an irreversible complication because alot of this stuff is not monitored and education on "this stuff in general" is not known to the public.

Secondly, just because im in the health care field does not mean that im bribed by drug companies, or have a flawed out lookout, and or mean that im the cause of the problem. A definite problem is what you just protrayed. Lack of suffiecent knowledge and making statements that are incorrect. Now, thats not an insult, just a statement from someone who has went to school and is going to school still and learning this "stuff." ANd its my job when i get my degree to educate patients that i care for. So you're saying "im the problem"? Naw, not likely. Is the health care system messed up and run by big corps? Sure, but still in this care irrelivant to what we are talkin about. Im trying to protect peoples health from bad effects from these megadoses of supplements. WHat works for you is not going to work the same way to a T in someone else. That is why we do not treat a patient with disease X the same across the board. Everyone is different.

Now, I'm not sure if i read this article on Skyscape Med Alert or not, but they did conduct a pretty big study that found that dosing with EFA's spefically EPA/DHA's to be NOT as helpful as they had forcasted in earlier studies. Even some evidences showed no effect at all (which also goes back to my last paragraph),

Now i don't expect the general public to know as they probably don't have acess to Skyscape Med Alert as its a subscription based service that provides a ton of info on a variety of health care related items which include studys that can get later published on the web, specifically on pubmed.gov. So, its not your fault that you do not have the updated info. However, i do agree that EFA's are essential, but the amounts differ for everyone and like i said tampering with can lead to an imbalance. A proper diet is suggested otherwise problems can occur. Evidence of this is the forum member who ended up having a liver tumor from excessive, prolonged use of EFA's.


So, my advice is to not make such bold statements and for everyone to do alittle reading before trying something like you suggest. I dont have a problem with it as its your own body, but even though your desperate, please practice some common sense and safety.


I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, I'm am merely saying you don't know what you are talking about. You said "EFA's are debatable..." which is a statement that is laughable to every biochemist and nutritionist - As I already said, EFA's are essential to life. The vitamins and mineral dosages are safe - they're natural nutrients the body needs and utilizes. All the dosages I recommend are no where near toxic levels and actually promotes health, since every ~50 trillion cells in the human body needs them. That's why the thousands of people doing the program I transcribed here or similar only have beneficial, sometimes miraculous results with no negative side effects.

You obviously didn't read the Vitamin C post that I told you to read. I'll refer you to that post again because I already addressed that issue which has links to various articles. Vitamin C in copious amounts has incredible health benefits. I take 5 grams daily and have zero of the symptoms you mention and only have great health /immune system in contrast. Of course you take the dose throughout the day, not all at once.

Sorry, but so far you're completely wrong on two issues. You are like a talking piece for the current medical-model. Drinking or eating fruits high in Vitamin C will not get you close to 5 grams of Vitamin C, whereas you can with supplementation. Also, as I said in my prior post, drinking juice is not advised. Juicing fruits removes most/all of the pulp, causing the sugar to be immediately absorbed in the bloodstream causing a insulin surge. Modern technology to extract Vitamin C is a wonderful thing.

"... just because im in the health care field does not mean that im bribed by drug companies, or have a flawed out lookout, and or mean that im the cause of the problem. A definite problem is what you just protrayed. Lack of suffiecent knowledge and making statements that are incorrect."

It means you are a victim of propaganda, thus brainwashed. You do have a flawed outlook; I still am amazed you said EFA's "are debatable." Every nutritionist/dietitian/etc can tell you EFA's are a must in a diet.

"Now, I'm not sure if i read this article on Skyscape Med Alert or not, but they did conduct a pretty big study that found that dosing with EFA's spefically EPA/DHA's to be NOT as helpful as they had forcasted in earlier studies. Even some evidences showed no effect at all"

Again, you're completely wrong. I couldn't even find your so-called big study. But I did find plenty of science journals that further prove EFA's are essential to life...
http://www.springerl...83503303307587/
Also, just because one report says something, does that mean that disproves the thousands of other study's?

"However, i do agree that EFA's are essential, but the amounts differ for everyone and like i said tampering with can lead to an imbalance. A proper diet is suggested otherwise problems can occur. Evidence of this is the forum member who ended up having a liver tumor from excessive, prolonged use of EFA's."

Ok, now you agree EFA's are essential - Whew, you're improving! Of course the amounts differ for everyone. How can you not know how much you need without tampering with amounts? Supplementing EFA's are EXTREMELY beneficial, and even important for some people who aren't getting it in through their diet. It's all about tampering with how much you need. You take how ever much you need; If that means 9 capsules, or 12 capsules, or if you buy liquid fashion, how ever many tablespoons it takes is necessary. And you know this by how you feel: if you feel good taking 4 tablespoons of Flaxseed oil, but you feel bad with 5; 4 is your limit. Do you see my point?

My advise to you is to link to some articles or journals. Right now, you're pretty much talking through your rear.

I had to stop taking the vitamins because it was swelling up my throat, felt like i had strep throat and was extremely painful.. pain went away after i stopped taking the pills for a couple days.

Not willing to try this again


That's pretty rare and sounds like an allergic reaction. What kind of vitamins/brand were you taking?

Also, elaborate on "Not willing to try this again" because to summarize, I say to eat healthy, avoid bad food, exercise and supplement. Are you saying you're not going to do the latter?



The Vitamins the naturopath gave me were

Cgto-matrix vegetarian Zinc capsules 50mg, 2x daily with meals

Genestra Brands vegetarian Milk Thistle 300mg 3x daily inbetween meals

RX Balance Moducare 20g 3x daily inbetween meals to help support a healthy immune system

and "not willing to try this again" meaning i wont be taking these vitamins again. i've been eating the best possible diet for months now, mostly vegetables,fish and lean meat(mostly chicken) and some fruit and i have not seen a difference in my spots, my skin does feel smoother and healthier looking, but the spots are still just as bad.

Not saying your method doesnt work, just obviously not for me

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:43 PM

There is to much for me to go back and pick apart peice by peice so i will summarize as i have so much studying to do..

EFA's are being debated like i said over Sky Scape medical journals that YOU are not going to have acess to UNLESS you pay for the subscription service. You totally missed that i see.... The promoted health claims of EFA's is the main focus. Yes, we all know EFA's are essential to the body but to what amount? Is there a plateau effect? Who benefits most? How do you deal with the claims from those that show no benefits? This is what the study was trying to answer and the results from this study showed less than expected results and even showed results that were contraindicative of what previous studies have promoted that been the big push for these EFA's because they have this chance to lower the risk for so many preventable diseases. So again, its debatable. Essential in the diet yes, but after that?... no one is really sure at all. If ya remember they made the same claim about vitamin E a few years ago then came back and said the evidence wasn't as great, and even dangerous as high levels of vitamin E can act like prescription blood thinners. Its funny because vitamin E is a great example, its necessary (essential) in the diet yet we dont need 1000mgs of it, just around 2-300iu regulary to benefit from it. How much most likely depends upon the person. And some people again don't even benefit. So, back to the main focus: EFA's. It looks like they are beginning to find out similar things... Now what about vitamin D...

No one is brain washed. If anything you need a re-education and maybe a class on paranoia. Relax, the gov't isn't out to get you...


Megadosing whether it be from 1 dose or multiple doses will have the same side effects at different, differed rates. The effects are again different per person. Regardless of source of vitamin C vitamin is vitamin C, the actions are still the same as its a diuretic. The amount consumed naturally wil not approach 5grams and thats where supplementing comes in but no need really when you have most likely exceeded bodily need with eating naturally. Extra is just urinated out anyway. If you could i would measure your urine composition and then go from their. Otherwise 5grams is unnecessary and again promotes adverse effects. The dosage depends on the person and since people dont think about everyone absorbing nutrients at different rates, people like me come here to remind anyone that reads such stories that hey this might work but ya probably dont need 5 grams of it.

Like said before vitamins and mineral dosages are safe however your prescribed dosages are not, you are not a physician so you should not be making such claims. Natural or not, 1 pill or 5 pills qid. End result is not safe. Worked for you, great, but that doesnt mean anything really to us besides the fact you used X amount of pills-we're all different.

This isn't a program, you didn't transcribe anything, but your own opinion and until we see actual charts, data, ect. your "thousands of people" don't exist.

Non toxic?

http://fnic.nal.usda...tamins-minerals

Again, you have no credentials to make such claims. And comparing your data to what has been tested exceeds what is recommended.By more than just alittle. Now this is starting to make me laugh.

50 trillion cells? is that all? hey, the cool thing is i know my 50 trillions cells dont need that excess of nutrients to thrive.

use caution people.

Edited by k3tchup, 27 September 2012 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:21 PM

I don't know what world you live in, but EFA's are mandatory for health!

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:33 PM

I've been on 95% of this regimen for the last two months. Almost all acne is gone from my back and chest, still getting some cysts and mild stuff on my face but overall my skin looks much better and all the redness is gone. I just started taking some good fiber from flax in the morning and upping my probiotic to twice a day about a week ago. seems to really be helping.

So questions for you overflood,

What type of whey do you take? I'm a big fan of whole foods brand, but then was told undenatured is much better for you, so I've been taking that the past month or so. I'm not worried about having to take an isolate to lower body fat or anything, I've leaned out a ton as well as gained a ton of muscle just from the diet alone (never been a fat kid). But the undenatured is a bit expensive, same with the whole foods brand but not as bad. I've heard some rumors about some more "commercical" brands like muscle milk being horrible for you, containing metals and other fillers. Any word on this?

Do you just mix with water? If not, what else do you put in them?
Currently I use:
1 banana
frozen berries
almond milk
little bit of water
fish oil
2tbsp coconut oil
1 scoop whey

What do veggies do you use for juicing? Have a couple "groups" of veggies/fruits that go well together? I don't own a juicer, just a blender, but this is something I'm considering.

Thanks

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:03 PM

1) What brand (a specific name would be awesome!) of protein shake do you take? And do you mix it with water?

2) Dairy doesn't seem to affect me-- I have two sisters who are lactose intolerant, but I never have been. Do you think it is ok to have poached eggs on ezekiel bread with about 1/4 cup of milk every other day or so?

Thanks!

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:05 AM

I've been on 95% of this regimen for the last two months. Almost all acne is gone from my back and chest, still getting some cysts and mild stuff on my face but overall my skin looks much better and all the redness is gone. I just started taking some good fiber from flax in the morning and upping my probiotic to twice a day about a week ago. seems to really be helping.

So questions for you overflood,

What type of whey do you take? I'm a big fan of whole foods brand, but then was told undenatured is much better for you, so I've been taking that the past month or so. I'm not worried about having to take an isolate to lower body fat or anything, I've leaned out a ton as well as gained a ton of muscle just from the diet alone (never been a fat kid). But the undenatured is a bit expensive, same with the whole foods brand but not as bad. I've heard some rumors about some more "commercical" brands like muscle milk being horrible for you, containing metals and other fillers. Any word on this?

Do you just mix with water? If not, what else do you put in them?
Currently I use:
1 banana
frozen berries
almond milk
little bit of water
fish oil
2tbsp coconut oil
1 scoop whey

What do veggies do you use for juicing? Have a couple "groups" of veggies/fruits that go well together? I don't own a juicer, just a blender, but this is something I'm considering.

Thanks


Hey vw02,

I'm glad to hear you're clearing! The quality of Whey protein depends on a couple factors: The quality of the cows the dairy is produced from (grass fed, no growth hormones, etc) and how the whey is proccessed. You heard right that Muscle Milk is bad for you - pretty much toxic. Tons of chemicals and other nasty stuff I would avoid.

In my protein shakes, I do add a few things to it. I add some coconut oil, flaxseed/fish oil blend, arginine, creatine (after workouts). I would limit the amount of fruits: 1 banana and berries adds a good amount of sugar which will spike your insulin.

I juice anything really (keeping high GI fruits/vegetables at minimum). I'm not picky about the taste, so I come up with some weird concoctions at times. I try to use the most medicinal ones such as kale, cabbage, etc... For better tasting veggie juices, I'm sure their are tons of recipes out there. Just be careful not to add too much of the high GI veggies/fruits. Carrots and beats are overused in a lot of recipes (because they're high in sugar).

Best of luck, keep getting clearer Posted Image

1) What brand (a specific name would be awesome!) of protein shake do you take? And do you mix it with water?

2) Dairy doesn't seem to affect me-- I have two sisters who are lactose intolerant, but I never have been. Do you think it is ok to have poached eggs on ezekiel bread with about 1/4 cup of milk every other day or so?

Thanks!


1.) I use "One World Whey." Yes, I do mix with water.

2.) Lightly poached eggs are healthy for you. However the bread and the dairy, unfortunately, aren't. I would try to get more vegetables in your diet. Ideally, removing the grains and dairy and replacing with veggies and water/tea is the best choice. But if you must eat those, try to limit and eat more veggies with those meals.

Edited by overfl00d, 29 September 2012 - 11:10 AM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:37 PM

I thinks its kind of funny how worried some of you are about potential side effects from taking one too many vitamins. I would give up my own damn FOOT to have clear skin!!! Having severe acne is not something i would wish upon satan himself.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

thanks

As a person iknow what is like and ask "if it works why ask questions" and i won't argue with what works for whoever this works for. Great if it works however i tend to look at things based on knowledge and previous experience and reflect on it.

I can say that this
Vitamin A -- 20,000 IU

Vitamin C -- 5 grams (Get the powder Vitamin C)(Intake throughout the day)

(Maybe) Vitamin D -- 5,000 IU (You should get Vitamin D from the sun, 10 minutes min.). If you're a reclusive vampire, make sure to supplement.

Zinc -- 50 mg

Vitamin B5 -- This is if you have oily skin. ~1 gram(s). It's completely non toxic. Also with B vitamins you should take them with the other B vitamins.

B-Complex - You want to get your B-complex vitamins throughout the day. You urinate water soluble vitamins, so make sure to replenish.

Pro-biotic - One with multiple strains of bacteria and over 15 billion units. 80-100 billion units total daily.


Is scary.

everything ive done (today) can be done with supplements as well although the point is im not using any supplements besides pro/prebiotics for lactose intolerance, either way the following can eliminate the use of such heavy supplementation: Eating better is the key, moderation, knowing what your consuming and how it will effect you, and encompassing some sort of excercise routine* into your life is key. (excercise can even be walking for 30mins 2-3 days a week).

Vitamin A is fatsoluble so watch your intake and check for signs of OD, also depends which type of Vitamin A you are taking (from cod liver oil, synthetic, natural ect),

Vitamin C is water soluble and has an RDA of 300mgs or so... and your saying 5grams? Sure its peed out but that doesnt mean it has no effect on the body... such a high dose can cause water balance problems which can effect other systems especiallly sodium and potassium levels partially because Vitamin C increases fuild retention and draws water into the GI tract which in this case would most definitely result in a bad case of diarrhea. I took 1gram for a week and had these results..

Vitamin D is from personal experience did not help and made things worse because its came from cod liver oil (most of the time- read your labels). Some people have no problem with this, i did.

Zinc, aww yes how can we forget. Just watch your intake and GI symptoms as this guy can not only impair copper intake as well as lead to defiency in other minerals like iron (which will cause anemia resulting in fatigue and malaise) it can cause some nasty GI problems and terrible dreams. Take 2hrs after a meal for best absorption and avoid calcium as they compete. Other than that i cant say more than, i tried it, it worked but took awhile to see effects but also had effect on my hormones (over time) lead to bad GI problems.

B5 is great for sleep, and great for PMS in women. No real problems for me anyway though i do not take it anymore. No need. Same with bcomplex.

EFA's are debatable and even recent data says they DO NOT help. Its debatable and some people have problems because of the sources in which the fats come from and the balance of omega 3,6,9 in the body. Too much of 1 of these effects the other and can be counter productive.


Supplements are great and i see they helped ya but as a general for warning not always the answer and expensive long term.
I did all this and more. Today i basically get all the same stuff by just knowing what im eating. Cereals, oatmeal, and wheat bread are great for your b vitamins and using apple juice, fruit, or something in between is great for getting your boost of Vitamin C in the beginning of the day. Vitamin A and Zinc would come from fortified foods which by the way are supposed to absorbed the same way regular vitamins (except folic acid which is better absorbed in synethic form than natural).

Basically the above needs to be applied when eating and you elminate the need for megadosing and its much safier. You would be better off if you took coenzymes and a low dose multi with eating right/healthy than megadosing on X amount of pills.

However, what works for you works. Although as a health care person and soon to be professional (*crosses fingers) i would advise against it in an effort to say your body from harm.


Just providing this out there for those that read old threads. Remember safety and good practice otherwise you could end up with a srs condition that could result in permanent damage. I for one am a victim although a lucky victim.


And as a note i did not read the rest of the post and mostly focused on the supplementing though i did read the h20 intake and that right there is so crucial and probably one of the most important parts besides eating better, healthier, and with a plan.

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Edited by Ichance23, 08 December 2012 - 09:01 PM.





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