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#21 Pord

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 09:22 AM


Is saline permanent?

It is supposed to be.


Right on. Let us know how that goes.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 04:49 PM

I don't see how saline can be permanent. It would be reabsorbed.
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 06:51 PM

Hi GUYS! I did it. It was not so bad BUT there were a few things that I think anyone getting subcision with Dr. Rapaport should know:
1) block out a good three hours. Between waiting, numbing time, and Dr. R's crazy busy schedule, there is a lot of waiting around in the patient room.
2) get ready for SERIOUS pain with numbing. Dr. R comes in and marks with a red marker all the scars he will subcise. Then EACH scar is injected with numbing
medication. This burns and is really awful, especially if you are having lots of scars done.
THe procedure itself only took about 20 mins. Bandages were placed all around my face. Of note, I asked Dr. Rapaport about suction afterwards with a small handheld vac. He said he has read the study but thinks it will be difficult to emulate the results at home. I might try to do this.
I am obviously too swollen now to know results. Once the bandages come off I will post some photos.
OF NOTE: Dr. R mentioned that a new procedure called LeViv is going to be FDA approved soon. This is the stem cell procedure similar to the Recell. He said this will be a good alternative to lasers for superficial scarring.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:08 AM

Hmm.

How much will LeViv cost?

Yes, please keep us updated.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 08:33 AM

DAY TwO SUBCISION

Lots of pain and soreness today. Can't really move my jaw. I can also see white bumps under the bandages at some incision sites. I really hope
these are not the nodules that are permanent that some people reported having.
Other than that, can't tell anything else. Bandages come off tonight and I will report further then.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:23 AM


Is saline permanent?

It is supposed to be.


According to my dermatologist whom I trust, saline injections are not permanent. I believe that only silicone injections are considered to be 'permanent'. I would encourage you to consider dermarolling and using a topical product containing esther C for collagen development.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 11:37 AM

Saline is basically just salt water. If all it took was a little salt water to permanently cure acne scars, then there would be no such things as Restylane or other injectable fillers that carry a much high price tag. DO YOUR RESEARCH PEOPLE!!!!!

Edited by kidrock29520, 16 December 2011 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2011 - 06:50 PM

Hi GUYS! I did it. It was not so bad BUT there were a few things that I think anyone getting subcision with Dr. Rapaport should know: 1) block out a good three hours. Between waiting, numbing time, and Dr. R's crazy busy schedule, there is a lot of waiting around in the patient room. 2) get ready for SERIOUS pain with numbing. Dr. R comes in and marks with a red marker all the scars he will subcise. Then EACH scar is injected with numbing medication. This burns and is really awful, especially if you are having lots of scars done. THe procedure itself only took about 20 mins. Bandages were placed all around my face. Of note, I asked Dr. Rapaport about suction afterwards with a small handheld vac. He said he has read the study but thinks it will be difficult to emulate the results at home. I might try to do this. I am obviously too swollen now to know results. Once the bandages come off I will post some photos. OF NOTE: Dr. R mentioned that a new procedure called LeViv is going to be FDA approved soon. This is the stem cell procedure similar to the Recell. He said this will be a good alternative to lasers for superficial scarring. If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me-


Wow, why does he use so much anesthetic?

Did he mention more about LeViv? I googled it and found nothing.

Good luck in your recovery! If you have questions you should call his office (white bumps).
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 11:22 AM

Hi Guys! Bandages came off last night. Very sore (feels like cystic acne under the skin) and have to sleep on back without face touching anything which makes sleeping difficult. I'm happy to report no lumps or bumps and seemingly perfect skin. I look like I did before I had acne. That being said, all the large pores, brown spots, and shallow pits are still there so the texture is not perfect, but the cheeks are smooth lines with no waves or rolling scars. Of course this is the swelling period and I am dreading seeing the improvement dissapear with the swelling but fingers crossed! Anyone have any insight as to how different the skin looks after sweeling? Is it a big dramatic drop in improvement or only slight?
Prettywords, all he said about Leviv is that it is stem cells grown from your own skin and that it will take care of textural irregularities such as what lasers do now but without the down time and risk of lasers.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 04:42 PM

Thanks.

The swelling, even knowing it's swelling making everything look so good, is tough, because I'm guessing people think and hope that in their case it's permanent -- I know I would hope that.

The difference in results after swelling varies from person to person.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 06:26 PM

I'm curious as to whether the swelling effect after a subcision or laser can be replicated with fillers.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:31 PM

It can if the scars are the right type.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 08:11 PM

I don't see how saline can be permanent. It would be reabsorbed.

I don't see how saline can be permanent. It would be reabsorbed.

The saline itself is not permanent, but causes collagen growth in the site in which it is injected. The collagen is permanent.

I'm curious as to whether the swelling effect after a subcision or laser can be replicated with fillers.

I was just thinking the same thing JMAC. It would make sense. Depending on what my final results are, I will definitely look into fillers.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:18 AM

It can if the scars are the right type.


which is?
meh

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:39 PM

DAY THREE

A lot of the swelling died down today and the pits are returning, but nowhere near as bad. I'd say at this point there is 50-60% improvement (there are about 90-95% improvement with the swelling). If there is any more sinkage, the improvement will be marginal. However, I was told not to expect any improvement for 4-6 weeks. Still, it is very difficult seeing the waves and pits return. oh well.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:17 PM

Did he mention more about LeViv? I googled it and found nothing.

This is the website for Laviv, which is in Trial-2 phase for acne scarring:

http://www.mylaviv.com/

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 03:37 PM

Trail 2, what's that mean I. Terms in length, within the year?

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:01 PM


It can if the scars are the right type.


which is?



Saucer scars that aren't bound down. Basically the same scars that they do subcision on.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 05:24 PM

Swelling will be prevalent for quite a while and longer than a week. You might think like I did that your scars have sunk deeper compared to before subcision but that'll most likely be perception because you'll be accustomed to weeks of massive swelling and perceived improvement. Subcision results are said to come about months down the track. Do not expect noticeable differences once the swelling subsides.
SCARS SUCK :(

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 08:14 AM

DAY THREE

A lot of the swelling died down today and the pits are returning, but nowhere near as bad. I'd say at this point there is 50-60% improvement (there are about 90-95% improvement with the swelling). If there is any more sinkage, the improvement will be marginal. However, I was told not to expect any improvement for 4-6 weeks. Still, it is very difficult seeing the waves and pits return. oh well.


Keep us posted.