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[moonbase]

Hey popsi, as I told you from the start.. You're not getting protein in your diet.. You said you haven't ate much meat for years and you've had acne for years. Well i'd be most inclined to say that's your problem. You can't expect good health from not eating what your body needs. The fact is it was getting better un till you added in foods that would make things worse.

If one follows this diet correctly the macronutrient ratio is that of a traditional japanese diet. and even more vitamin and mineral rich.

Eggs, and milk give you issues and that's what I believe has caused your acne. My dietary recommendations are based on eating everything, not one or another.

You need to start eating fish.


@captainsunshine

Relating carbs to acne is got to be the silliest thing i've ever heard. Healthy and long living populations in history consumed a very large amount of carbohydrates - most notable in the form of starch, vegetables and fruit. We haven't consumed predominately high fat diet for 100's of years - in fact I can't think of one sophisticated society that eats such a diet.

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I've added a micro and macro nutrient breakdown of my diet - infact what I ate yesterday. This is what it provides without any supplementation. Not to mention the extremely large amounts of anti oxidants and polyphenols. What you're body needs to properly heal itself. The bottom chart with numbers is based on the RDA (Recommended daily intake). Most are at least 200% or better. Supplying exactly what you need to easily repair your damaged body.

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Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 10:52 PM.

[popsi]

Hey popsi, as I told you from the start.. You're not getting protein in your diet.. You said you haven't ate much meat for years and you've had acne for years.

I have acne since puberty but it was never severe, just mild. It is moderate-severe since only a few months (I think since April 2011). I can show you pictures from February 2011 where my skin was almost perfect (oily but acne free). I don't know what happened to my skin in April, I didn't change my diet then...

Well i'd be most inclined to say that's your problem. You can't expect good health from not eating what your body needs. The fact is it was getting better un till you added in foods that would make things worse.

If one follows this diet correctly the macronutrient ratio is that of a traditional japanese diet. and even more vitamin and mineral rich.

Eggs, and milk give you issues and that's what I believe has caused your acne. My dietary recommendations are based on eating everything, not one or another.

You need to start eating fish.

I didn't eat eggs since 4-5 days and dairy since 2 weeks now (when I started the diet).

I am going to send you a private message as regards meat and fish.

[moonbase]

Alright, thanks. If you're acne improved, yet you still had oily skin it would likely be due to the health of your digestive tract improved (lack of stress, a better balance of healthy microbes) however consuming the diet you used to consume (atleast from what you described) left you in a venerable state and it wouldn't take much to take things out of balance.

[amy91]

I was reading this whole thread and thinking about this. Aren't you afraid of giving scientifically unproven evidence, Moonbase? Do you realize that our body cannot normally function without dairy,meat,grains, fats and etc? You say this unimaginable diet is in order to fix the "broken" body, I will add that it will make your body weaker. I agree with cutting out soda, junk food and too much sugar, but you are against of NORMAL food. Do you realize what could happen if people follow this? PLUS we have NO formal promise or assurance that by avoiding certain food we will get absoulutely clear skin. Maybe we will see some LITTLE improvements for a short time, but we will have to deal with SERIOUSLY damaged body and health afterwards.

[moonbase]

If you read it all, take a look at the nutrient breakdown of my diet recommendations. Unhealthy eh? This diet is extremely nutritious, more so than any I know of.

It's on this page - how did you miss it?

This diet is very scientifically proven.. These dietary recommendations are build on a foundation of science. The diet macro-nutrient ratio's (fat:protein:carbs) are very close to that of many civilizations (kitivans, ancient japanese, to name a few).

Sometimes I wonder if people do actually want to get rid of there acne...

Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 08:47 PM.

[amy91]

okay, but our body NEEDS that food in order to function normally. How is it suppose to remain healthy after cutting out all important foods? I really cannot imagine it. This is extremely risky and actually not a safe way to clear skin. In my opinion, acne has different causes in men and women. Just by a simple reason that men don't get monthly menstruation.
How long have u personally followed this "diet" and please put some before and after pics as an evidance. And haven't you taken any medications for your acne? You didn't mention your acne severity either.

[moonbase]

Do you realize that our body cannot normally function without dairy,meat,grains, fats and etc?

Really? You should tell that to the kitiva people, as they eat none of them. Of course they have fat, but as you will see above my diet includes plenty of fat needed for normal and above average function.

I really cannot imagine it. This is extremely risky and actually not a safe way to clear skin. In my opinion, acne has different causes in men and women. Just by a simple reason that men don't get monthly menstruation.
How long have u personally followed this "diet" and please put some before and after pics as an evidance. And haven't you taken any medications for your acne? You didn't mention your acne severity either.

I don't think you know the first thing about nutrition making such comments. If you read my post, like you said you did. You would realize I stated I had severe acne for a long time. I no longer have acne, nor the propensity to get it. I followed this diet strictly for 2 months, and I never felt better. I still feel fantastic, and eat a similar diet but I eat outside the diet because i've healed my body - yep I can go out and eat junk if I choose. I never once took medication for my acne.

What amazes me is when people make comments knowing nothing about food and nutrition. This forum doesn't want success, they just want to have acne and hope that adding teas, gulping down supplements, or avoiding this or that is going to fix the problem. So how's that going?

Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 08:57 PM.

[amy91]

Do you realize that our body cannot normally function without dairy,meat,grains, fats and etc?

Really? You should tell that to the kitiva people, as they eat none of them. Of course they have fat, but as you will see above my diet includes plenty of fat needed for normal and above average function.

Fats are simply not enough for our body to function normally. What about calcium that we take from diary? How we are gonna get it WITHOUT dairy? I don't talk about meat,'cuz it's obviously important for our body.

1. I don't add teas, supplements or something like that . I treat my acne by taking antiandrogenic medication ( spironolactone)
2. I don't believe that u cleared your acne just in 2 months by following this diet and with NO oral or topical acne medication,no way
3. Your evidence is still unproven! You cannot guarantee that it will clear EVERYBODY'S acne.

Edited by amy91, 08 October 2011 - 09:03 PM.

[moonbase]

Okay, take your mouse, roll up to the top of this page. click on the bottom picture and take a look at the percentages of RDA. Look at every vitamin and mineral. 100% would be the RDA, they are all incredibly higher than 100. Meats are essential? You do realize that fish are animals.. and what's inside them is indeed "meat".


[EDIT]

1. I don't add teas, supplements or something like that . I treat my acne by taking antiandrogenic medication ( spironolactone)
2. I don't believe that u cleared your acne just in 2 months by following this diet and with NO oral or topical acne medication,no way
3. Your evidence is still unproven! You cannot guarantee that it will clear EVERYBODY'S acne.

1. Okay, so you take powerful anti androgens? You should read up on the long term side effects.
2. Fine, you're a skeptical. You apparently dont know the power of the human body.
3. Un proven. hmm.
Is it proven that eating a nutrient dense diet is healthy - YES
Is it proven that a diet high in fruits and vegetables is healthy - YES
Is it proven that eating a high carbohydrate diet is both healthy and promotes longevity - YES
Is it proven that a diet high in fish is healthy - YES
Is it proven that acne and diet are connected - YES
and my favourite now proven fact:
Is it proven that you dont know what your talking about - YES

Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 09:18 PM.

[amy91]

My dermtologist said that diet is just a PART of this huge issue. And by avoiding certain food we can't actually get rid of acne. I am more likely to believe professional doctor ( with scientificly proven facts) than someone who is basically offering to STARVE.

[FaceValues]

My dermtologist said that diet is just a PART of this huge issue. And by avoiding certain food we can't actually get rid of acne. I am more likely to believe professional doctor ( with scientificly proven facts) than someone who is basically offering to STARVE.

What if that med school your derm went to wasn't the most factually sound institution that has a direct link with the FDA (both exist mainly for profit) and you had to start reading about nutrition yourself?

[moonbase]

My dermtologist said that diet is just a PART of this huge issue. And by avoiding certain food we can't actually get rid of acne. I am more likely to believe professional doctor ( with scientificly proven facts) than someone who is basically offering to STARVE.

I'm having to much fun to stop going back and forth with you:

You do realise that i'm eating over 3000 calories a day. I'm getting 10x the amount of vitamins and minerals you are. So yea, you can go talk to your derm - cause they have such a good track record with resolving acne issues. Oh man - your ignorance is blowing my mind.. but what can you expect from someone on spiro. You know you have androgen receptors in your brain right - when spiro binds to them it produces 'brain fog' - or an inability to learn or think properly.


Oh and regarding derms. They are taught ZERO orthomolecular medicine.

Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 09:38 PM.

[amy91]

If you are so smart then why don't you prescribe medications to acne sufferers ( besides this bullshit above)? And doubting spironolactone, accutane or other harsh meds against acne is just ridiculous! But keep playing a nutritionist if u want, I don't mind.
Since this point I stop the argument. Your post was just another example of disinformation. Congrats!

Edited by amy91, 08 October 2011 - 09:45 PM.

[moonbase]

If you are so smart then why don't you prescribe medications to acne sufferers ( besides this bullshit above)? And doubting spironolactone, accutane or other harsh meds against acne is just ridiculous! But keep playing a nutritionist if u want, I don't mind.
Since this point I stop the argument. Your post was just another example of disinformation. Congrats!

You sure showed me who's boss!

[amy91]

Are you responsible for your offerred "diet" if someone gets anorexia, weak bones due to calcium deficiency and diminished immune system?

Edited by amy91, 08 October 2011 - 09:55 PM.

[popsi]

Are you responsible for your offerred "diet" if someone gets anorexia, weak bones due to calcium deficiency and diminished immune system?

Why should someone get weak bones due to calcium deficiency?!? Haven't you looked on the nutritional data which moonbase posted above??
He is getting nearly 1300mg (129% RDA) of Calcium per day. You can get enough Calcium even without dairy...

[FaceValues]

Watching that gif of Stewie after reading your posts makes them hilarious, Amy. It's like he shares your skeptical sentiments.

[moonbase]

You don't know when to quit.
I take every recommendation I write seriously. As i've stated this diet is full of excess amounts of every nutrient your body needs - i've even proved it above with a nutrient layout. Secondly, anorexia is due to not eating enough - which has nothing to do with diet. Thirdly - The USA has one of the highest intakes of calcium in the modern world, and it also has the one of the highest rates of bone deficiency problems. The whole calcium-bone connection is archaic. The reason people have weak bones is because they have too much calcium and too little magnesium, vitamin D, and K. Feel free to keep asking questions.

Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 10:25 PM.

[amy91]

Okay, I am going to try this diet and if it doesnt work I need moonbase's agreement that I will have the right to throw stones at him.

[moonbase]

If you do try my recommendations. You must follow it to the T. You must eat a lot - more than you "think" you need. Use my post above as a guideline. Best of luck. However if you dont follow it correctly, dont expect results.

Also - re-read my first post and really wrap your head around it. I am going to be re-writing it to make it easier to digest (re formatting mainly). but the recommendations are there. Log everything you eat in a day and how you cook it.

Edited by moonbase, 08 October 2011 - 10:31 PM.