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The Real Reason You Have Acne!

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@freeliving

In my opinion all acne is diet in origin - when you dig past surface issues. These other issues i'm referring to are general hormone imbalance problems, diabetes, IBS, IBD, etc.. Ezema is just another symptom of similar root causes -nutritional deficiency, microbial imbalance, intolerance's, hormones etc. - relating to an over/under active immune system. Everyone's body reacts in different ways to nutritional imbalance. There are genetic reasons for this, but I dont feel confident discussing them.

if that were true i would not be clear right now and neither would many people that have eczema. the skin is a large organ and although the sebum gland is influenced by internal hormones it is also influenced by the physical processes happening on the skin. things that produce dry skin are clearly off limits for them, and that usually includes all topicals, hot/warm water, etc.

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if that were true i would not be clear right now and neither would many people that have eczema. the skin is a large organ and although the sebum gland is influenced by internal hormones it is also influenced by the physical processes happening on the skin. things that produce dry skin are clearly off limits for them, and that usually includes all topicals, hot/warm water, etc.

Persons with eczema are not maintaining adequate skin lipids (nothing to do with sebum), and becoming hyper reactive to exterior influences (nickel allergy as an example). Which I believe point to one of the problems I listed above.

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I agree with Chunk. If that is the same study that was presented before in this forum with the high fat diet, the high fat diet was NOT paleo and consisted of junky fat based foods. And my name is not boris, wtf. We need to be very skeptical when it comes to claims of clearing all of your acne, especially when these claims are contradictions of proven methods.

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if that were true i would not be clear right now and neither would many people that have eczema. the skin is a large organ and although the sebum gland is influenced by internal hormones it is also influenced by the physical processes happening on the skin. things that produce dry skin are clearly off limits for them, and that usually includes all topicals, hot/warm water, etc.

Persons with eczema are not maintaining adequate skin lipids (nothing to do with sebum), and becoming hyper reactive to exterior influences (nickel allergy as an example). Which I believe point to one of the problems I listed above.

im not here to shit on your parade but im going to. i had severe acne for 4 years, and I can still get it if i get lazy with my regime or try new things as happened to me about 1 year ago. I cleared my acne not with diet, and at the time i got 100% clear i was eating the worst i had in my whole life (college diet). diet did not play any role in my clearing up, my acne was purely an external problem. soaps and creams and other topicals produced my acne and after i stopped using them and started using water only i got clear, no zits, no blemishes. about one year ago i started wet shaving for the first time in my life, boy was that a mistake. i used barbosal shave cream and sometimes some upper end shave creams lathered with a badger hair brush. it literally destroyed my skin. i switched back to water only and electric razor and bam back to clear skin again, ive been clear ever since. there are many people with similar stories as mine, no diet change and got completely clear.

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@freeliving - If you got clear without dieting, why are you posting here? People are looking for answers and MANY people here have only been clear through diet.

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That does interfere with what i'm getting at all. If you read my post it was to those with persistent inflammatory acne. You're body is not all that out of wack, and because of your genetic makeup - you didn't experience detrimental skin flareups/hormone dis-regulation. If a poor diet caused acne barnone - I think every kid in the western world would have acne, but we know that's no the case.

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@freeliving - If you got clear without dieting, why are you posting here? People are looking for answers and MANY people here have only been clear through diet.

1. because i can

2. did you read the title of this thread?

3. i am allergic to gluten so i find it interesting in to read about diet

another thing you need to realize is that yes it can be external and not just internal problems. sure many have used diet to get clear, but there are still many that it did not work for. what do you have to say to them?

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I'd have to say browse another topic... Don't be childish, this is a mature conversation.

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Hey fellow Washingtonian wink.png

How long does one need stay on this strict diet before the body is functioning "normal" ? Until they are completely clear?

I actually follow a Paleo with fruit related diet already but not clear yet. Although I follow it about 80% and its hard to realistically avoid all omega 6's and gluten 100% of the time unless you stay in your house all the time and not go out. Looking into dealing with my stress issues now.

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Hey fellow Washingtonian wink.png

How long does one need stay on this strict diet before the body is functioning "normal" ? Until they are completely clear?

I actually follow a Paleo with fruit related diet already but not clear yet. Although I follow it about 80% and its hard to realistically avoid all omega 6's and gluten 100% of the time unless you stay in your house all the time and not go out. Looking into dealing with my stress issues now.

i eat lunch out 5 days out of the week, it isnt hard to avoid gluten (i should know im allergic to it). salads salads salads.

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@dance dd

As long as it takes.. when you don't get acne, you may not be there yet.. - when you cheat, on a fairly regular basis, and don't get acne - you're there.

My suggestion for you is to try and follow my recommendations as closely as possible. 2nd suggestion would be to eat more, stress and insufficient calories are strongly correlated. dont worry, tonnes of veggies, fruit, and lean protein is not going to cause weight gain. Someone who isn't active can easily need to consume 3000->4000 calories just to heal optimally.

@ freeliving

I'm not sure what your point is. So you put a bunch of garbage on your face and got a bad reaction?

Anyways, as far as red meat goes, it's not that red meat is bad.. it just digest very slowly (bacteria have a feeding frenzy), usually contains larger amounts of fat than most fish(leaning towards omega 6), and if not sourced correctly has some 'evil' stuff in it. The point is, if you're acne is better, feel free to consume grass fed beef. Good luck!

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I'm not sure what your point is. So you put a bunch of garbage on your face and got a bad reaction?

Anyways, as far as red meat goes, it's not that red meat is bad.. it just digest very slowly (bacteria have a feeding frenzy), usually contains larger amounts of fat than most fish(leaning towards omega 6), and if not sourced correctly has some 'evil' stuff in it. The point is, if you're acne is better, feel free to consume grass fed beef. Good luck!

you need to learn how the skin (bodies largest organ) operates and what it has in order to fight off bacteria and keep the moisturized all by itself. products that are place on the skin thwart that process and produce, dead, dry/irritated skin with sebum oil imbalances. it was that in a nut shell (and hot/warm water expands and contracts oils) that caused my acne. food never broke me out, even though I have allergies towards gluten (which gives me sinus attacks and swollen ear glands).

the protein in meat may take longer to digest however that isn't necessarily a bad thing. protein that digests slower over the day is actually a good thing at maintaining energy (this comes from a weightlifting standpoint). other protein like whey as digested very fast, and do not help one to maintain energy throughout the day this is why i asked.

the reason i am hear sharing this is in case someone comes on here tries this and it doesnt work for them, it isnt all internal folks and thats the bottom line, it can be fore many or it cant be, if it isnt for you then there are other ways of dealing with acne.

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@ freeliving

You've got a lot to learn about how the skin(and the body for that matter) works, it's not me who's confused. Sebum has nothing to do with skin moisture, I already explicitly said that. Re-read everything i've said, i've answered all your questions.

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eusa_think.gif I'm not sure what your motivation is for harassing me.. but i've been more than reasonable, by answering your questions. I don't care how you solved your acne issue, that's not up for debate. This thread is for those that have acne, haven't been able to cure it-- and this is a resolution that will repair their bodies. The fact that your don't understand skin lipids, digestion and beyond is not my concern, but i've done my best to explain this to you. Please post elsewhere, or be kind to those that know more than you, and are simply trying to help. To make this clear and easy for you to grasp - children don't excrete sebum, yet has soft and subtle skin. Your hands don't have sebaceous glands, yet your hands are soft. Sebum is completely non-essential for healthy functioning skin.

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@moonbase: What about diary? You did not mention whether its good or bad to eat diary.

Chewing on old diaries isn't particularly good for you, although it's a good source of fiber! biggrin.png

rolleyes.gif LOL. Sorry for misspelling dairy (english is not my native language). wink.png

@moonbase: I am 31 now and had oily, acne prone skin since puberty (13). When I was 16 my acne got worser (moderate acne) and I even had back acne.

I started taking a birth control pill then and took it for 12 years. During that time my skin was much better but still oily and I got a few pimples sometimes (not often).

I stopped taking the b/c pill with 28 and some months later my skin got more oily and I got a few pimples (I would say mild acne). But still not bad.

In May this year (4 month ago) I got a lot of breakouts. In June it was so bad that I had 20 zits at the same time around my chin / neck and got more zits every day. My acne was concentrated on my chin / neck but some weeks later I got also zits on my cheeks. At the moment I have 14-15 zits in my face (everywhere, but mainly in the near of my chin). I have scars and a lot of redmarks.

I have no idea why my acne got so bad 4 months ago. I am still eating the same things like in the past. I eat a lot of veggies, fruits, dairy, rice and bread. I do not eat meat and no fish (since 25 years). Can such a breakout still happen from food intolerances (even though my acne was just mild for the last 2.5 years)?

I started a low carb / anti candida diet 4 weeks ago. I didn't eat any fruits in the last 3 weeks (incorporated papayas one week ago). After 2 weeks my skin got much better. I was so happy and thought that my skin would improve from now on but it lasted only 3 days. sad.png I ate cheese fondue on one day (I LOVE cheese) and 2 days later I started to breakout again.

I thought it was maybe coincidence since I am eating cheese every day (I crave cheese). I also drink milk every morning (it is in my muesli). A few days ago I have used goats milk instead of cows milk for the first time in my life. And now my face is totally inflamed. sad.png Coincidence?

Today I ate only fruits like you suggested (2 pounds of papayas, 1/4 of a melon, a plum). I was hungry all the day long, and I am missing my cheese. sad.png

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rolleyes.gif LOL. Sorry for misspelling dairy (english is not my native language). wink.png

@moonbase: I am 31 now and had oily, acne prone skin since puberty (13). When I was 16 my acne got worser (medium acne) and I even had back acne.

I started taking a birth control pill then and took it for 12 years. During that time my skin was much better but still oily and I got a few pimples sometimes (not often).

I stopped taking the b/c pill with 28 and some months later my skin got more oily and I got a few pimples (I would say mild acne). But still not bad.

In May this year (4 month ago) I got a lot of breakouts. In June it was so bad that I had 20 zits at the same time around my chin / neck and got more zits every day. My acne was concentrated on my chin / neck but some weeks later I got also zits on my cheeks. At the moment I have 14-15 zits in my face (everywhere, but mainly in the near of my chin). I have scars and a lot of redmarks.

I have no idea why my acne got so bad 4 months ago. I am still eating the same things like in the past. I eat a lot of veggies, fruits, dairy, rice and bread. I do not eat meat and no fish (since 25 years). Can such a breakout still happen from food intolerances (even though my acne was just mild for the last 2.5 years)?

I started a low carb / anti candida diet 4 weeks ago. I didn't eat any fruits in the last 3 weeks (incorporated papayas one week ago). After 2 weeks my skin got much better. I was so happy and thought that my skin would improve from now on but it lasted only 3 days. sad.png I ate cheese fondue on one day (I LOVE cheese) and 2 days later I started to breakout again.

I thought it was maybe coincidence since I am eating cheese every day (I crave cheese). I also drink milk every morning (it is in my muesli). A few days ago I have used goats milk instead of cows milk for the first time in my life. And now my face is totally inflamed. sad.png Coincidence?

Today I ate only fruits like you suggested (2 pounds of papayas, 1/4 of a melon, a plum). I was hungry all the day long, and I am missing my cheese. sad.png

Well, judging from what I read, you seem to have an issue with cheese/milk proteins (which may not be an intolerance but an allergy). I am assuming you avoided cheese, and dairy on your candida diet - and things got better. Well, the proof is in the pudding.Tthat's an assumption though. My recommendations for tonight, and tomorrow..

Eat way more!! fruit. If you're hungry, your body is telling you something. Try to incorporate some greens (kale spinach), and other veggies to help bulk up your meals. Now go finish the other 3/4ths of that melon, and eat all the fruit you can get your hands on.

Have you noticed a reduction in oil, and subdued redness?

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@dance dd

As long as it takes.. when you don't get acne, you may not be there yet.. - when you cheat, on a fairly regular basis, and don't get acne - you're there.

My suggestion for you is to try and follow my recommendations as closely as possible. 2nd suggestion would be to eat more, stress and insufficient calories are strongly correlated. dont worry, tonnes of veggies, fruit, and lean protein is not going to cause weight gain. Someone who isn't active can easily need to consume 3000->4000 calories just to heal optimally.

yeah I am thinking of trying this for 2 or 3 days to see how I feel. I have nothing to loose. So I will just reduce my fat intake in my Paleo diet and slightly increase my fruit intake. And the only fat I will consume is coconut oil, coconut milk and cultured coconut. And replace proteins with mostly fish and seafood. It won't be too hard since I am already eating a Paleo diet.

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Well, judging from what I read, you seem to have an issue with cheese/milk proteins (which may not be an intolerance but an allergy). I am assuming you avoided cheese, and dairy on your candida diet - and things got better.

First of all, thanks a lot for your reply. smile.png To answer your question: No, I still ate cheese and drank milk during my anti-candida diet, but less than before. On some days I used coconut milk instead of cows milk. My skin improved. Then my boyfriend had birthday and we ate the cheese fondue and 2 days later my skin got bad.

Well, the proof is in the pudding.Tthat's an assumption though. My recommendations for tonight, and tomorrow..

Eat way more!! fruit. If you're hungry, your body is telling you something. Try to incorporate some greens (kale spinach), and other veggies to help bulk up your meals. Now go finish the other 3/4ths of that melon, and eat all the fruit you can get your hands on.

OK will do.

Have you noticed a reduction in oil, and subdued redness?

Do you mean 2 weeks after I started the diet (when my skin improved)? I would say yes, my skin was less inflamed and maybe a tiny bit less oily.

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Hey fellow Washingtonian wink.png

How long does one need stay on this strict diet before the body is functioning "normal" ? Until they are completely clear?

I actually follow a Paleo with fruit related diet already but not clear yet. Although I follow it about 80% and its hard to realistically avoid all omega 6's and gluten 100% of the time unless you stay in your house all the time and not go out. Looking into dealing with my stress issues now.

i eat lunch out 5 days out of the week, it isnt hard to avoid gluten (i should know im allergic to it). salads salads salads.

yeah I eat mostly salads when I am eating out too. But the way the meat/fish is prepared can have some trace amounts of gluten too. Thats why I said you can't avoid it 100% of the time when eating out.

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i used barbosal shave cream and sometimes some upper end shave creams lathered with a badger hair brush. it literally destroyed my skin. i switched back to water only and electric razor and bam back to clear skin again, ive been clear ever since. there are many people with similar stories as mine, no diet change and got completely clear.

Once again, that's not acne. Breaking out from shaving is folliculitus. Was your severe acne ever anywhere outside the beard area?

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Do you mean 2 weeks after I started the diet (when my skin improved)? I would say yes, my skin was less inflamed and maybe a tiny bit less oily.

Today, if you avoided everything but fruit - did you notice sebum secretions were less than normal?

yeah I am thinking of trying this for 2 or 3 days to see how I feel. I have nothing to loose. So I will just reduce my fat intake in my Paleo diet and slightly increase my fruit intake. And the only fat I will consume is coconut oil, coconut milk and cultured coconut. And replace proteins with mostly fish and seafood. It won't be too hard since I am already eating a Paleo diet.

Sounds like you have a good foundation..

I'd be wary of cultured coconut as the bacteria they use to culture may not be optimal. Generally speaking the bacteria in your diet, should be that of the foods you consume (raw foods contain bacteria and microbes naturally). If I were you, I would take a weekend, when you have the free time to cook all your own food, and eat more than you normally would (I fear many people on strict diets, avoid so much food they don't get enough calories) - If you'd like skip the fish/oils, keep to just fruit/veggies and monitor how your body reacts. If you notice, less oil, and reduced redness, that pretty much hits the nail on the head for your issues.

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I'd be wary of cultured coconut as the bacteria they use to culture may not be optimal. Generally speaking the bacteria in your diet, should be that of the foods you consume (raw foods contain bacteria and microbes naturally). If I were you, I would take a weekend, when you have the free time to cook all your own food, and eat more than you normally would - If you'd like skip the fish/oils, keep to just fruit/veggies and monitor how your body reacts. If you notice, less oil, and reduced redness, that pretty much hits the nail on the head for your issues.

So you saying just to eat fruit/veggie for 2 days or so? And then go back to the Paleo diet and that will clear it?

I would probably get diarrhea eating a lot of fruit on those 2 days to get to my normal calorie intakedry.png

I noticed under your profile that you erased (today) what you used on your skin and supplements. So you don't use anything extra to your skin other than diet?

Btw, thanks for taking the time to write this post and replying to all of our questions!

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I'd be wary of cultured coconut as the bacteria they use to culture may not be optimal. Generally speaking the bacteria in your diet, should be that of the foods you consume (raw foods contain bacteria and microbes naturally). If I were you, I would take a weekend, when you have the free time to cook all your own food, and eat more than you normally would - If you'd like skip the fish/oils, keep to just fruit/veggies and monitor how your body reacts. If you notice, less oil, and reduced redness, that pretty much hits the nail on the head for your issues.

So you saying just to eat fruit/veggie for 2 days or so? And then go back to the Paleo diet and that will clear it?

I would probably get diarrhea eating a lot of fruit on those 2 days to get to my normal calorie intakedry.png

I noticed under your profile that you erased (today) what you used on your skin and supplements. So you don't use anything extra to your skin other than diet?

Btw, thanks for taking the time to write this post and replying to all of our questions!

I use copperpeptide serum to promote skin healing and regeneration - will keep me young for life smile.png I just use simple soaps (dr bronners), and mild moisturizers.

It's a suggestion, to see how your skin/body reacts without fat/protein clouding things. Diarhea can be a good thing, if your bacteria is out of wack - though that's very individual. Just do what feels right and gauge. Would you say you are prone to diarrhea, like it happens more often than normal?

I attached a salad I just made for dinner, maybe it will entice some people.

Red cabbage, mixed greens, 2 apricots, 2 plums, 2 kiwi, 2 dates.

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when you say fish oil supplements, are you talking about high quality liver oils too? or just the pills?

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