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Do they only come from fried and processed foods? Where can I get 'em?


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Okay, I found a decent explanation of what they are. I get them from eggs. I am just making sure I get enough since I am now taking fish oil. I don't want my ratio of 6's to 3's off.

Here is the link.

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/subs...25,1037,00.html

I'm a bit confused. It says prostaglandins reduce inflammation, and that is good, however, I thought prostaglandins were bad for acne. And flax can make your estrogen different and that can be a bad thing, is that due to the lignans that have 6 in it?


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emmanuel,

LOL, apparently you didn't catch my revelation about this last night, huh. Well it turns out that there are good (anti-inflammatory) and bad (inflammatory) prostaglandins. These are mentioned in Leo's "Last Acne...." book as the body's hormone regulators. So he tells us to consume fish oil in order to boost our good (PGE1) prostaglandins.

However, I've also heard that GLA was a good fatty acid to consume and so naturally assumed that it was because it was an omega 3, but it is an omega 6. It has anti-androgenic properties (don't want to say the D word), PLUS thanks to Blackbird & Evigrex, I learned that it inhibits the production of the bad (PGE2) prostaglandins because it's a Series 3 Prostaglandin.

c)Non-stimulating thermogenics. GLA. In order to explain a bit how GLA works, I will briefly explain what prostaglandins are.

Series 1 Prostaglandins = Good(PgF2A)( Anabolic) They are incredibly thermogenic and help build muscle.

Series 2 Prostaglandins = Bad(PgE2)(Catabolic) They break down protein.

*Series 1 and 2 produced by your cells always at a 1:1 ratio.

Series 3 Prostaglandins block the production of series 2.

Series 1 and 2 Prostaglandins are made from the essential fatty acid Linoleic Acid.

Linoleic Acid = Omega-6 Fatty Acid .

Linolenic Acid(Alpha-linolenic acid) is an Omega-3 fatty Acid Series 3 Prostaglandins are derived from this acid.

GLA = Omega-6 Fatty Acid (Gamma-Linolenic Acid) This BLOCKS series 2 Prostaglandins.

By Blocking series 2 prostaglandins, GLA shifts the normal 1:1 Prostaglandin ratio to the PgF2A(Anabolic) side. In essence, promoting thermogenesis. As can be shown in my study of GLA. Its anabolic effects were not measured(As this is also a direct consequence of a positive PgF2A environment) .

(posted by Evigrex)


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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I did miss your revelation. Jade. tongue.gif

I still don't fully undersatnd the prostglandins. I would think the #1's can be bad since they seem like cortisols or androgens, since they build muscle, they would seem to be male hormone-like. Keep in mind, I am very ignorant when it comes to hormones and such.

I was taking flax capsules and everything was fine. Then, I quit smoking and it sent my hormones out of whack, so you and I decided I should switch to fish oil just to be on the safe side, which I did just two days ago. I got my period a week early! bb_icon_eek.gif I knew my hormones were screwy from not smoking.


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LOL, please do not become the poster child for THAT ;-)

OK so this is what we know about prostaglandins:

Series 1 (PGE1) - Ant-iinflammatory, builds muscles. Types: Omega 3

Series 2 (PGE2) - Inflammatory, breaks down proteins (in this case muscle)

Arachiadonic Acid (Omega 6)

Series 3 (PGE3 ?) - Blocks the Inflammatory effects of PGE2s. Types: GLA (Omega 6)

Perhaps this will help us some:

There’s a class of “hormones� called prostaglandins in the human body. Certain prostaglandins are beneficial for health and disease prevention, while others are essential to the body’s reaction to stress or injury.

Prostaglandins are derived from essential fatty acids. There are three classes, or series, of prostaglandins. The series 1 versions, particularly PGE1, have many beneficial effects for athletes. They appear to have anabolic effects, promote thermogenesis, increase sodium and water clearance by the kidneys and prevent blood clots. Series 2 prostaglandins have the opposite effects, as they seem to trigger the release of energy substrates by breaking down structural protein, causing salt and water retention and promoting the clotting of blood. Nature always maintains a balance. In a fight-or-flight situation your body reacts to ensure your short-term survival: Your blood pressure becomes elevated, the bleeding stops and the energy the body needs becomes available.

One interesting fact is that both series 1 and series 2 prostaglandins are derived from the same precursor, linoleic acid (omega-6 fatty acid), while series 3 prostaglandins are derived from linolenic acid (omega-3 fatty acid). The series 3 prostaglandins are important not for their actions but, rather, for their ability to decrease the rate at which series 2 prostaglandins are formed.

So series 1 prostaglandins promote performance, series 2 prostaglandins disrupt performance, and series 3 prostaglandins block the formation of series 2 prostaglandins. Obviously, you’d just want to buy series 1 and series 3 prostaglandins. How wonderful if it were that easy. Unfortunately, it’s not. You’ll probably get a direct-mail offer to purchase East German series 1 and series 3 prostaglandins sometime soon. Don’t believe it.

Prostaglandins are not true hormones. They’re paracrine hormones or in some cases autocrine hormones, which means they’re only active in or near the cell where they’re generated. True hormones float all through the body to reach distant target organs or tissues. The downside to the local-action-only feature is that prostaglandins aren’t orally bioavailableâ€â€unless you take them in huge amountsâ€â€and can only be administered intravenously. The upside is that you can take the precursorsâ€â€the essential fatty acidsâ€â€and give your body the building blocks to form prostaglandins naturally and legally.

Essential fatty acids have specific chemical structures, including fragile double bonds that are easily disturbed by heat, pressure and even light. Oils that contain essential fatty acids are basically liquid fatty acids and must be protected from heat, pressure and light throughout the pressing, packaging and shipping processes. What’s more, manufacturers must remove any extra oxygen from the processing lines and from inside the bottle, which is usually done by flushing the lines and bottle with nitrogen gas. To that end, gelcaps are less air sensitive and may have more stability.

Many of us have used flaxseed oil or evening primrose oil for fat supplementation. Flaxseed provides a high concentration of omega-3 fatty acids, while evening primrose is a good source of GLA. Although they’re fine for correcting a deficiency or imbalance of omega-3 or omega-6, respectively, they’re not appropriate for long-term fatty acid supplementation. That’s a major point, and the reason is simple: Nature created a balance for a reason, and you should maintain it. Over the long term you should take in dietary fatty acids in a ratio that supports nature’s balance, and the product that will do that is hemp seed oil.

Erasmus has made the following statements regarding hemp oil: “Hemp oil is well-balanced, with omega-3 and omega-6 in a good ratio and contains gamma linolenic acid as well. Hemp seed oil can be used over the long term to maintain a healthy EFA balance without leading to either EFA deficiency or imbalance.… Hemp seed oil contains omega-3 and omega-6 essential fatty acids in an ideal long-term ratio of 3-to-1.�

http://www.tsrf.com/articles/article_essential.htm


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Hemp oil also has a 5% content of Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA), which has a strong anti-inflammatory effect, and is effective in reducing symptoms of PMT, eczema, and acne,

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That did explain it much better.

My concern is how the hell do I know I have a completely even ratio? That is very precise, and well, I am no scientist, in case you hadn't noticed. I can control the ratio by the oils, but that still doesn't take into account the foods I eat. There is no feasible way to measure how much of each I consume.

It is Nature's Way, Fisol fish oil. They are enteric coated sofgels. 30%EPA & 20% DHA. They dissolve in the small intestine.

Here is a link:

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=1787


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That did explain it much better.

My concern is how the hell do I know I have a completely even ratio? That is very precise, and well, I am no scientist, in case you hadn't noticed. I can control the ratio by the oils, but that still doesn't take into account the foods I eat. There is no feasible way to measure how much of each I consume.

It is Nature's Way, Fisol fish oil. They are enteric coated sofgels. 30%EPA & 20% DHA. They dissolve in the small intestine.

Here is a link:

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=1787


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Hi

I've read through this post and tried to understand it but it's all a bit confusing for someone like me who's completely new to all this terminology! All I know is that I tried the supplements suggested in that Acne book that someone on these boards provided a link to - do you know the one I mean? - and started breaking out like crazy. It was a combination of fish oils, evening primrose oil and flax oil.

Could you possibly boil this down for me and suggest what I should be taking? Sorry to be stupid, but I don't really understand everything that you 2 have been talking about on this board!! Maybe for us females flax oil is bad idea?... Is that right? What do you think would be a good combination of oils to try??

Thanks in advance!

Katie

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PS I'm convinced that my acne is completely hormone-regulated as it's not caused by oily skin - I have very dry skin, am 30 and have my worst breakouts around my period

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I'm really loving this thread... there is so much fantastic information here!

I was taking hemp oil which really helped my acne and dry lips a few years back. I stopped taking it, because it stopped working as well (although other factors could have been involved) but I was told my a naturopath friend that taking too much hemp oil increased negative prostaglandins in the blood. Now that I understand more about prostaglandins, I am no longer worried about it, and am planning on getting some hemp oil to take with the krill oil as well.

Emma... I know this is off topic but I wanted to tell you I broke down and started the pill again last night. New acne started coming up every day, and I couldn't handle it. I guess the emotional sensitivity is a price I have to pay to be rid of this stinkin acne (side effect of the pill)!! sad.gif I don't have the patience to keep on the natural road as I continue to break out. I will have to do both natural and unnatural for now, I guess. bb_neutral.gif

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I think you did the right thing.

My skin looks better. I am still bleeding heavily on day 5, and I don't usually really bleed at all. bb_eusa_think.gifbb_eusa_sick.gif


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I think you did the right thing.

My skin looks better. I am still bleeding heavily on day 5, and I don't usually really bleed at all. bb_eusa_think.gifbb_eusa_sick.gif

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Ha, I couldn't understand why I was so easily able to cry when before that would never happen. I realized that those 3 years on BC, I slowly became more emotional to the point of near depression (granted my acne worsening didn't help)..ick, not going back on those again.

KT,

Sorry if the lingo is confusing, but this is something new for me too. I've heard from various acne sufferers that EPO (evening primerose oil) and Flax seed oil broke them out, but I've also heard it worked wonders for others (and those that never had acne). This is why I was never in a hurry to take them. However, when I tried NSI Complete EFA it had Flax seed oil, Borage Oil, and Fish Oil and I never broke out. Granted at that particular time I was also on Spiro, Avandia, and my Gluten Free diet. After I stopped that meds, I also tried the supps again, and I can't recall breaking out. Yet if you are concerned, then Flax Seed Oil and Flax Seed Lignans have the highest lignan (estrogenic, anti-estrogenic...LOL) content of all grains, seeds, etc or it could have been due to the product being contaminated/impure in some way. Eitherway, you may have better luck, if you want to consume this, with it being in a balanced formula.

As for your dry skin, you are in the right thread. There's Fish Oils you could try and there's this new product out called Neptune Krill Oil. http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php...=0entry330961 There's also the wonders of Hemp ;-) Also, if you can tolerate eating nuts & seeds there's good EFAs in those too. As for the GLA this is what I was able to gather:

J Formos Med Assoc. 1994 Sep;93(9):741-51.  Related Articles, Links 

Androgen action: molecular mechanism and medical application.

Liao S.

Ben May Institute, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Chicago, Illinois 60637, USA.

Androgen action in many organs, such as prostate and skin, is dependent on the conversion of testosterone by 5 alpha-reductase to 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone. 5 alpha-Dihydrotestosterone then binds to the androgen receptor to regulate specific gene expression. Inhibitors of 5 alpha-reductase are useful for the selective treatment of prostatic cancer, benign prostate hyperplasia, acne, baldness and female hirsutism, without affecting spermatogenesis, sexual behavior and smooth muscle growth, that do not require the conversion of testosterone to 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone. Certain unsaturated fatty acids, such as gamma-linolenic acid, are potent 5 alpha-reductase inhibitors, suggesting a linkage between unsaturated fatty acids and androgen action. Mutations in androgen receptor genes are responsible for many cases of androgen-insensitivity. In some prostate cancer cells, some antiandrogens may act like androgens in stimulating the proliferation of the cancer cells because these antiandrogens can bind to a mutated androgen receptor and transactivate target genes. Prostate cancers are usually androgen-dependent initially but can lose dependency and responsiveness. Tumor cells which are resistant to endocrine therapy ultimately proliferate. Androgen-independent or androgen-repressive cells can arise from androgen-sensitive prostate cancer cells by changes in specific gene expression over time in a clonal isolate. This change in androgen responsiveness was accompanied by a change in androgen receptor expression and transcriptional activity as well as expression of some oncogenes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...st_uids=7735002


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Ha, I couldn't understand why I was so easily able to cry when before that would never happen. I realized that those 3 years on BC, I slowly became more emotional to the point of near depression (granted my acne worsening didn't help)..ick, not going back on those again.

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Yeah definately keep researching. Isn't it a shame though that for every cure there's some sort of trade off? Loss of libido for males, depression for females, etc


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Yeah definately keep researching. Isn't it a shame though that for every cure there's some sort of trade off? Loss of libido for males, depression for females, etc

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SweetJade: thanks so much for all the info - really nice of you to write me so much! Am going to experiment with the oil you said that you took - if I can get it in the UK - and I'll keep you posted

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I found that an Omega Complex helps to balance all three(3,6,9)


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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