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Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/health/19skin.html?no_interstitial


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Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Again, source? This is just your opinion which is fine, but my opinion was terribly scrutinized so I'm now doing it back.

Also, many many studies in medicine are done via tissue and animals. You don't have to take Vit. C but to say it can't possibly create collagen is not based on anything but your opinion right now.

Scurvy, the disease from lack of Vit. C, is actually a collagen deficiency, so in theory vit. C ingested can help with collagen.

Pord, I know but I think it's important that people know how to do their own research so they can inform themselves.

Do you actually read anything anyone says instead of just shooting back with a gut reaction?

No one said it can't create collagen. We are disputing the efficacy of vitamin C in creating collagen for the skin when ingested, and we are advocating the efficacy of vitamic C when applied topically. Collagen exists throughout the entire body, not just in the skin. A collagen deficiency to the severity of being diagnosed with scurvy has more serious implications than just bad skin because your muscles and bones are literally dissolving and falling apart. As a result, it's much too broad an assertion to claim the effects of scurvy as evidence that ingestion of vitamic C builds up collagen in the skin. Because that is what we are talking about, correct? Building up collagen in the skin to help fill in scars?

Moreover, the ingestion of vitamin C has it so the body distributes it evenly throughout the body to a multitude of system instead of just to the place where you want it, which, in this case, is the skin. It's not an efficient system, and it doesn't even build up over time because the body can only absorb so much vitamin C at once.

I used to perform research for pharmacokinetics/dynamics, I know how this stuff works, not to mention this is all stuff you could've read about with a simple Wikipedia search.

You still haven't given good answers to other points and questions I made in previous posts.

I posted research on studies that show it can and does help collagen when ingested.

I know how the body works but thanks for the explanation.

I do NOT use wikipedia for research on medical topics.

You still haven't proven ingesting Vitamin C doesn't help collagen and I posted studies that showed it does. Anyone can talk about their opinion. I backed mine up.


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Actually, pretty much all of your posts only indicate efficacy in topical treatments. The rest refer to animal studies, laboratory tests with cell samples, and anecdotal evidence.

This also makes sense from a practical pharmaceutical perspective. The body can only absorb so much vitamic C when taken ingested, not to mention its proliferation throughout the entire body, and eventually to the skin, is fairly slow and ultimately diluted because it was being distributed to other systems. Applying it topically directly to the problem area makes sense.

Again, source? This is just your opinion which is fine, but my opinion was terribly scrutinized so I'm now doing it back.

Also, many many studies in medicine are done via tissue and animals. You don't have to take Vit. C but to say it can't possibly create collagen is not based on anything but your opinion right now.

Scurvy, the disease from lack of Vit. C, is actually a collagen deficiency, so in theory vit. C ingested can help with collagen.

Pord, I know but I think it's important that people know how to do their own research so they can inform themselves.

Do you actually read anything anyone says instead of just shooting back with a gut reaction?

No one said it can't create collagen. We are disputing the efficacy of vitamin C in creating collagen for the skin when ingested, and we are advocating the efficacy of vitamic C when applied topically. Collagen exists throughout the entire body, not just in the skin. A collagen deficiency to the severity of being diagnosed with scurvy has more serious implications than just bad skin because your muscles and bones are literally dissolving and falling apart. As a result, it's much too broad an assertion to claim the effects of scurvy as evidence that ingestion of vitamic C builds up collagen in the skin. Because that is what we are talking about, correct? Building up collagen in the skin to help fill in scars?

Moreover, the ingestion of vitamin C has it so the body distributes it evenly throughout the body to a multitude of system instead of just to the place where you want it, which, in this case, is the skin. It's not an efficient system, and it doesn't even build up over time because the body can only absorb so much vitamin C at once.

I used to perform research for pharmacokinetics/dynamics, I know how this stuff works, not to mention this is all stuff you could've read about with a simple Wikipedia search.

You still haven't given good answers to other points and questions I made in previous posts.

I posted research on studies that show it can and does help collagen when ingested.

I know how the body works but thanks for the explanation.

I do NOT use wikipedia for research on medical topics.

You still haven't proven ingesting Vitamin C doesn't help collagen and I posted studies that showed it does. Anyone can talk about their opinion. I backed mine up.

None of the studies you posted even suggested that. Some of them, in fact, were specifically related to the topical application of vitamin C.

The burden of proof is on you, not me. I have given sound reasoning as to why you're wrong, all you've done is provide evidence that backs up my assertion.

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Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A

https://www.alldaychemist.com/manufacturer.php?id_manufacturer=571


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Fraxel Re:pair 70 mj - 60% Oct 08,2010

Fraxel Re:pair 70 mj - 60% Nov 04,2011

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I read this article before, but i just noticed the title is from Red Hot Chili Peppers


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Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A

https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

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Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A

https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

Retin-A is tretinoin. Tretinoin and and retinol are both derivative forms of vitamin A, but only tertinoin is really used for topical applications.

In other words, tretinoin is like topical vitamin A.

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Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A

https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

Retin-A is tretinoin. Tretinoin and and retinol are both derivative forms of vitamin A, but only tertinoin is really used for topical applications.

In other words, tretinoin is like topical vitamin A.

So according to that article - the tretinoin will be just as good as retinol? - This is my question.

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Here is the article I was looking for earlier. Take the time to read this before buying anything else.

http://www.nytimes.c...no_interstitial

This talks about retinol . . . so what about tretinoin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tretinoin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinol

We need a chemist to explain the chemical symbols.

Please notice the generic name on the Retin-A

https://www.alldaych...anufacturer=571

I am sorry Dudely, but that went right over my head.

Retin-A is tretinoin. Tretinoin and and retinol are both derivative forms of vitamin A, but only tertinoin is really used for topical applications.

In other words, tretinoin is like topical vitamin A.

So according to that article - the tretinoin will be just as good as retinol? - This is my question.

For all practical purposes, tretinoin = retinol = vitamin A.

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I owe it to a lot of people on here:

I have been doing a lot better! I am not sure if it was time that improved my face, or if it was the fact that I am just used to it. Though for what it is worth I feel a lot better and I hope that everyone can start to feel better.

If you have any questions or comments please let me know or send me a PM.

Best of luck everyone.

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