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[Dancexnxthexrain]

I wanted to write a thread on how I do not believe any type of food causes acne. Many people on here appear to believe that something they eat will in fact give them acne. I am not so sure it is WHAT you eat but rather what you are not eating that causes acne. If you find yourself eating junk food most of time over healthy foods you are of course going to find yourself breaking out, most likely, because you are lacking a nutritious diet. They said that what is on the outside is showing what is on the inside. How healthy you are is expressed through your complexion. I do not neccesarily eat perfectly. I will eat fried foods and I never have an issue with breaking out. I have found, however, when I eat vegetables or fruits high in beta-carotene (which converts into a water-soluble version of Vitamin A in the body) my skin gets less oily and is much clearer. I don't think you should avoid specific foods because I don't think they break you out unless you happen to have a food allergy. Many people think dairy causes acne and I disagree. I drink milk on a daily basis (32 oz. a day). Milk has never been an issue for me or dairy. Ultimately, as I have said before, I think acne is caused by deficiencies in the body. I do not suggest vitamins because they are not designed to work with body as well as vitamins from foods. An example of this is with Vitamin A. I was on a journey because I thought of how Accutane is a Vitamin A derivative and if I were to add more vitamin A to my diet it may have the same effects. I went to the store and purchased a supplement. After doing some research, I discovered the supplement is from fish and the animal version of Vitamin A is fat soluble which means it is stored in your fat and will become toxic if cosumed in large amounts. Beta-carotene, however, comes from orange fruits and vegetables and beceoms vitamin A in a water-soluble form so it is non-toxic.
Just eat your fruits and veggies folks.

[chunkylard]

Not only are you wrong but it's clear you haven't researched the matter enough to discuss it on a significant and scientific level.

I can give you a list of 10 foods that will break most people out who are acne-prone.

Just because milk doesn't break you out, doesn't mean it doesn't break anyone else out.
That's the problem with some of you. You guys think in absolutes. NOBODY HERE IS SAYING MILK WILL 100% OF THE TIME BREAK YOU OUT. That's an extremist point of view and the people here who have researched the matter are completely rational.

Guess what? Milk doesn't break me out either. I don't drink it or eat dairy though because it's not healthy for you either way.
You know what also doesn't break me out? Cigarettes. And beer. And prescription medicine. And breathing in gas fumes.

Does that mean we should all do those things? Nope.

I hate to disillusion you but there are virtually no benefits to eating dairy, gluten, soy, excess sugar, etc. Coincidentally, these foods are also the foods that break many people out.

Edited by chunkylard, 15 July 2011 - 06:19 PM.

[brandmaster]

I have been on a new diet for about a week and started to avoid things that many people on here cause them to breakout. I have not had ANY breakouts this whole week. I have had 1-2 new pimples almost daily for about the past 10 years. I am going to stick with this diet because even with all of the medications I have been on, this is the longest time I have not had any new pimples. Im pretty sure this is due to following a good diet.

Edited by brandmaster, 16 July 2011 - 02:07 PM.

[dejaclairevoyant]

Not only are you wrong but it's clear you haven't researched the matter enough to discuss it on a significant and scientific level.

^^Nuff said.

[dejaclairevoyant]

We come here and say the things we do because we want to wake people up to the truth and help them out of the hell that is acne. I don't get you dude... if you aren't ready to accept that what we eat plays a huge role in what happens to our bodies, then why in the heck do you come into this forum?

So yes, it's not going to kill you to eat foods that are unhealthy, as long as that does not make up your diet.

Good thing I never listened to people like you or I'd be dead today. Because yes, it WOULD kill me. Years spent bedridden and in and out of hospitals proved that. All turned around, 100% because of dietary changes.

[Ariventa]

Chunk... it's a bit ironic that you say that, as I'd peg your views as being quite extremist, along with most of the people in this section of the forums. Only you are extremists in terms of stating that these specific foods are bad for acne and that everyone will be better off by eliminating them.

Your idea of what is and isn't healthy in regards to the major food groups is your own choice. I love dairy, I have no issues from it. I generally feel better when I drink more milk actually, I find that my joints/bones crack less and don't feel as stiff.

Everyone here has taken on a judgmental response to the OP. Which is one reason I can rarely take conversations here all that seriously. Discussed in a civil manner, that's a different story. And I can only think of a handful of people who seem to discuss things that way.

The OP is sharing his thoughts and opinions. He was not publishing a scholarly article. If you don't share his opinions, then simply say so, and state why. Don't go saying "oh look at how stupid and wrong you are for having this set of beliefs!" He's promoting eating foods that have not been scientifically proven to be correlated with serious health issues (such as fried foods and heart disease) in order to attain the required nutrients. Just like with anything, moderation is key. So yes, it's not going to kill you to eat foods that are unhealthy, as long as that does not make up your diet. And he's saying that he feels that these factors are a good way to approaching diet in terms of keeping the skin healthier. None of the responses have been all that positive; even if you disagree with someone, you can actually disagree without crucifying them.

Sadly, I listened to people like you for years, and it truly held me back. The reason people here react strongly is because I believe that posts like the OP's and majority of yours, here in this forum and places like the lounge concerning health related matters, are damaging.

Here is the crux of the matter: not all opinions and thoughts are created equal. Someone spouting off an opinion concerning a certain topic, without having conducted any research or extensive experimentation, or realization individual differences in people, has little to offer. Not only that, but people, unfortunately, may actually think that same person may be right, and inadvertently damage themselves or set their own progression back.

At some point, enough is enough. With you, personally, I have attempted civility, with the most recent example being the exercise thread in the lounge where you asked for help, then arrogantly proclaimed you knew everything about cardio and needed no help. And now, time and time again, you come into the nutrition forum, a place that has truly been like some sort of home for me, because through the information and experiences shared, I have transformed my health with multitudinous benefits, the least of which is clear skin.

Judging from your posts, you have little knowledge or comprehension of any topic health related, be it dietary, exercise or otherwise. And yet you complain about your various health issues as I have seen. So what should we do? Day after day, year after year, people pop into this forum and write some superficial proclamation that diet and acne are not related in a forum dedicated to the connection. That is just ignorant and disrespectful. So, no, people like the OP, and especially yourself, have lost my respect and much of my civility. Truly, it borders on trolling. I do not go into the other forums of this site telling everyone how each method is bullshit (even though I believe they are), so why do you? If you have nothing of value to offer, why do you persist?

[Purple Clouds]

All we need now in this thread is alternativista and we are set!

[Ariventa]

Ari, you were the reason I didn't even bother checking back on my exercise thread, because you basically decided to act superior and basically tell me how my desire to exercise and do cardio was basically wrong. And then I went on and defended why I feel that cardio is good for ME.

The OP is stating a thought/opinion on something that he finds to hold true for him. Every single piece of advice on this forum is exactly that, which means that none of our opinions are fact, as they do not hold true for all individuals. This includes yours, and includes mine.

What is wrong with my coming to this section, a section I actually sometimes find useful, just because I do not share identical beliefs that most here do, or because I'm not extremist in my dietary views?

If you feel this post was disrespectful, then tactfully state why. It's not like a post like this is going to make you all change your beliefs, so why should it really matter? I've had plenty of people post in threads where I talk about my skincare approaches, stating that it's unsanitary or that it's useless, etc. Doesn't change my opinion, and doesn't change others' opinions either.

And okay, I don't really care much if you've lost respect for me, as 1) I do not know you, 2) I do not really care about your opinion of me. I personally don't like your approach to communicating with people who hold different views than your own, but that doesn't mean I go around stating that you shouldn't be posting in areas/threads I post in. I simply leave the thread and don't bother reading any further. And perhaps that's what you should have done. Left it alone, let it die away, and just forget about it.

Deliciously ironic. The reason I was angered in the exercise thread is because you asked for advice, then arrogantly dismissed everyone's advice, stating you knew exactly how to exercise and that "doctor's and trainers" back up your opinion. The fact that you still do not grasp this notion is boggling to me, and is the reason you repeat these behaviors over and over from what I see.

Anyways, the bolded part tells me everything I need to know about you. I spoke only of different, more efficient methods of cardio. I never said your desire to exercise was wrong, just that there are different, more beneficial methods. Either this is simply a comprehension difficulty, where you do no understand what people are saying, or this is an ego problem, where you believe you have all the answers and ask people for advice so they give you attention. My fear is that it is both, which is a dastardly combination.

The fact of the matter is, you just don't get it. You have basically been trolling this forum for as long as you have been here. Your posts here, from what I have seen, contribute nothing of value. Instead, you only seem to detract from the thread since almost every post I have seen is along the same lines of saying a whole lot of nothing. I got tired of it. I was hoping you would have understood that if you nothing of positive import to contribute, you would just move on of your own accord, but your persistence is amazing.

If your posts are not going to change other people's opinions, nor are they going to help anyone, why post them? Is it just to figuratively hear yourself talk? Attention? Boredom? It just becomes clutter and takes away from the focus of the board. And yes, I am going to say that. If I went in to the Accutane forum and just bitched about how they are all extremists and their livers are going to melt, even if I believed it, even if it was my true opinion, then I would be warned because I would be detracting from the information and experiences shared and should not post here anymore. This is basically t parallel to your behavior here, I hope you can see the connection, though I know you won't.

[Ariventa]

The OP is stating a thought/opinion on something that he finds to hold true for him. Every single piece of advice on this forum is exactly that, which means that none of our opinions are fact, as they do not hold true for all individuals. This includes yours, and includes mine.

Oh, sweet jesus, Mary and Joseph Stalin.

Sigh, there is a difference between a universal fact and a personal fact. Just because someone shares a personal fact, does not mean it is false, it is just that it does not apply to everyone. Certain facts have a tendency to apply to many individuals, as we see in this forum with the same trigger foods being mentioned over and over again. This may be called a pattern or trend. Just because some people are not part of the trend, does not mean that all the people who experience the trend are spreading falsehood.

I wanted to write a thread on how I do not believe any type of food causes acne. Many people on here appear to believe that something they eat will in fact give them acne

This was the OP's topic sentence, the crux of his argument. No where do I see where he/she states this is a personal truth. Rather, in his/her supporting points, he/she offers personal experience, which is incongruent support for the topic sentence. He/she is clearly attempting to state a universal truth - that no foods trigger acne in people. This statement calls all the people, long time members included, liars because their personal truths do not fit under the bold universal truth of the OP. On top of that, the OP's point is not even well supported.

Also, chunkylard should not need to provide a long, drawn-out counterpoint analysis of the OP. Every post he makes is a counterpoint, as is every quality post made in this forum. It would be a vast waste of time and effort to counterpoint every single superfluous thread that flounders its way into this forum stating diet and acne are not related. If you or anyone needs evidence, just look under Sweetjade's posts. She cites hundreds of studies and makes well-reasoned posts.

[Jërëmÿnör]

Ari, I think I love you (no homo)

[Vanbelle]

No one crucify me, but I'm going with Ariventa on this.

Ashley, come on, this section of the forums has some extremely intelligent people. Just be careful getting into an argument of semantics all the time, it's not classy or respectable. It suggests lack of understanding in the subject matter, and it ultimately detracts from the substance of the thread. The fact that these posts are just thoughts and opinions is inherently understood from the start anyway. It's understood right when we starting writing down our own thoughts and click 'Add Reply.' It's really redundant to point out. Take a breath Ashley, and let it be. Please?

[tim12]

I agree, those threads are pinned for very good reasons, and are well worth the read.

To anyone who doesn't believe in the acne-diet connection, I'm curious, what do you think of the scientific studies on acne & diet? I was wondering since many say that it hasn't been "scientifically proven," when there's tons of peer reviewed studies on it.

[Hope77]

Thanks Ari, u said it all. After over 15 years of acne, these health forums has provided the help and support that has helped me gain control of my acne. If the information or post provides no benefits for the readers then I don't see the reason for it. I find the OP's post discouraging for those who are trying to take the health/holistic approach.