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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Ah. I found references to SPF on the wai diet site: http://www.13.waisays.com/. That figures. Much of the info in that article I referred to as goofy seems to come directly from here. All that talk of happy and sleepy foods.

So, Here's the chart for what it's worth. Higher numbers are better and numbers lower than 10 inhibit seratonin production supposedly.

That doesn't mean you avoid them, necessarily, just don't count on them for the tryptophan at least not for the purposes of the production of seratonin. I notice it lists egg yolk. But not the whole egg. Is the ratio of the whole egg a problem with all the protein in whites?

SPF* Food

95% edible boletus

48% hemp seed, commercial ***

43% date, dried

32% papaya **

32% chanterelle

29% banana

22% strawberries

21% sweet cherries

17% mango **

17% cashew nut

16% pineapple **

16% grapefruit

15% fig, dried

14% hazelnut

14% carrots

13% potato crisps

13% orange

12% guava **

12% mushroom

12% crawfish

12% egg yolk

12% apricot **

11% oyster mushroom

11% wheat whole meal bread

11% peach

11% tomato

11% oriental sesame

10% sunflower seed

10% chicken breast

10% salmon

10% mackerel

10% beef, muscles only

10% goose

10% rolled oats

10% green peas, canned

10% Brazil nut

9% walnut

9% peanut

9% tuna

9% turkey, young

9% Soya bean

9% crisp bread

9% mandarins

9% cow’s milk

8% apple

8% lamb, muscles only

8% rice

8% white bread

8% coconut

8% Lamb’s lettuce

8% quark, fresh cheese

7% lentil

7% avocado

7% cheddar cheese

7% yogurt

6% almond

6% bread rolls

6% oyster

6% white beans

6% rye bread

5% horsemeat

5% pasta made with eggs

5% lobster

4% shredded wheat bread

3% sweet corn

3% corn flakes


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Yeah great info. Different info brought to the table then the same old stuff. Its too bad oats and coconut are down on the list. I like making porridge from grains, coconut milk and oil, with banana and date. Looks like I should throw in some hemp seed too.

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Yeah great info. Different info brought to the table then the same old stuff. Its too bad oats and coconut are down on the list. I like making porridge from grains, coconut milk and oil, with banana and date. Looks like I should throw in some hemp seed too.

Yeah, I like whole oat groats with coconut, dried currants and chopped apple. The oats are ok, but apple and coconut would push the breakfast into the seratonin inhibiting end according to this. Banana or plantain would make it better, but I don't like banana so much with the oats.

I wish there were some other foods on this list. You'd think the wai diet people would have quinoa, for example, but they don't. But they have canned peas and horse meat. Isn't that weird?


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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haha yeah I was thinkin the same thing. Huge thing I believe with any kind of sugar is having a healthy liver. Following a regimen to benefit your liver can clear people up dramatically.

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Good Things for Fructose/Carb malabsorption for people who find they break out from fruit.

1) Natural circadian cycle with the consumption of nutrients needed to make seratonin early in the day, then plenty of bright light during the day, limiting artificial (esp blue spectum) light in evening and no light during sleep which should include the hours between 10-11pm to 4-5 am. Exercise also boosts seratonin production.

Tryptophan is also converted to niacin (B3). If you have a niacin deficiency, all the tryptophan you consume will be used to make niacin.

Study: Effects of dim or bright-light exposure during the daytime on human gastrointestinal activity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12638695

Avoid blue spectrum light sources at night. LEDs, PC displays, TV, etc. There's a software called Flux that adjusts the spectrum of your computer towards the red automatically every evening.

2) Nutrients:

Nutrient precursors to seratonin: methionine, folate, B12, B6, TMG (betaine) and zinc, and maybe some calcium and magnesium. And of course, amino acid tryptophan. (However, there is research that you want foods with the right ratio tryptophan to other amino acids. See below for more info.)

Nutrients that benefit liver function, because fructose is metabolized by the liver. Sulfur containing aminos such as Methionine/cysteine and the nutrients the body makes from them: taurine, GLUTATHIONE. Other sulfur phyto(plant)chemicals: indole-3-carbinole (I3C) and sulforaphane. CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE, LIPOIC ACID, QUERCETIN, Molybdenum, Glutamine. Milk Thistle, BETAINE

Basically, eat your greens, brassica veggies, onions, garlic, apples, etc. Animal proteins are also high in sulfur- eggs, chicken, fish, dairy...

Nutrients/Things that help sleep:

Melatonin (help your body make it), magnesium, Omega 3 EFAs, DHEA (made by the adrenal glands), Camomile Tea, green tea (but only early in the day). Vitamin D regulates the melatonin cycle ...

Also, avoid excessive amounts of fructose and glucose, such as that in added sugars, HFCS in processed foods and drinks and large high fructose fruits.

List of fruits and the types/amounts of sugar: Sugars found in various foods. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Other/herr48.pdf Fruits begin on page 7. Table sugar, sucrose, is half fructose. Agave Nectar is almost entirely fructose.

Nutritiondata.com list of foods highest in Fructose: http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000011...0000000000.html

Other organs/factors:

Adrenal Health

Manage Stress - exercise, get/give hugs, sex. Good Things/Nutrients for Mood

Avoid Progestin - synthetic progesterone in birth control pills.

More on tryptophan from foods and seratonin production:

Serotonin levels can not be increased by diet or supplements of tryptophan alone. For example, increasing foods rich in tryptophan (eg, meats, proteins) does not increase serotonin levels, due to competition with other amino acids.[49] What is required to increase serotonin production is an increase in the ratio of tryptophan to phenylalanine and leucine. Fruits with a good ratio include dates, papaya and banana. Foods with a lower ratio inhibit the production of serotonin. These include whole wheat and rye bread[50]
From wikipedia. (Dairy is very high in leucine and amino acid that is insulinemic.) Citing an article that says this:

The body actually doesn't need much tryptophan to compose serotonin. And yet you can consume lots of protein containing lots of tryptophan, with serotonin production remaining far too low simply because protein also contains amino acids inhibiting serotonin production, like leucine and phenylalanine in particular. Optimizing serotonin metabolism therefore is not about consuming protein high in tryptophan, but about consuming protein containing relatively more tryptophan than leucine and phenylalanine. Consuming such proteins improves serotonin metabolism, allowing you to feel happy, and sleep well Great 'happy' and 'sleepy-food' are fruits like dried dates, -figs, papaya, banana, strawberries, sweet cherries, orange, mango, pineapple, grapefruit and hazelnuts, combined with fresh raw egg yolk (because of the cholesterol), alternated with fresh raw salmon (because of the vitamin B3).Of course the best 'happy-foods' are easy to digest and should be consumed raw. Mushrooms and potato crisps are best 'happy'-munch-food (crisps combine well with egg yolk and avocado), but consuming mushrooms can cause cramps. Because these foods are high in tryptophan and low in leucine and phenylalanine. (and contain cholesterol, fats and sugars when combined). To know what foods can improve your sleep and happiness, you have to look at their SPF. SPF = 'Serotonin-Production Factor' = tryptophan / (phenylalanine + leucine). For example : if the SPF of a certain food-protein is 50%, this protein contains exactly as much tryptophan as the average of phenylalanine and leucine, strongly improving serotonin production. All foods with a SPF below 10%, more or less inhibit serotonin production. Whether these low-SPF foods actually do inhibit serotonin production, depends on how much protein they contain.
As this is a pretty goofy article, I'm looking for a better source of info on the SPF or Seratonin-Production-Factor of foods to see if that's a real thing and/or someone has made a useful chart of common foods.

And this is from webMD:

Protein-rich foods, such as meat or chicken, contain high levels of tryptophans. Tryptophan appears in dairy foods, nuts, and fowl. Ironically, however, levels of both tryptophan and serotonin drop after eating a meal packed with protein. Why? According to nutritionist Elizabeth Somer, when you eat a high-protein meal, you "flood the blood with both tryptophan and its competing amino acids," all fighting for entry into the brain. That means only a small amount of tryptophan gets through -- and serotonin levels don't rise.

But eat a carbohydrate-rich meal, and your body triggers a release of insulin. This, Somer says, causes any amino acids in the blood to be absorbed into the body -- but not the brain. Except for, you guessed it -- tryptophan!

But don't eat a carb rich meal. Eat a balanced meal.

And elsewhere:

When the brain produces serotonin, tension is eased. When it produces dopamine or norepinephrine, we tend to think and act more quickly and are generally more alert. Eating carbohydrates alone seems to have a calming effect, while proteins increase alertness. Complex carbohydrates, which raise the level of tryptophan in the brain, have a calming effect.

Protein promotes the production of dopamine and norepinephrine, which promote alertness. Protein meals containing essential fatty acids and/or carbohydrates are recommended for increased alertness. Salmon and white fish are good choices.

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Good Things for Fructose/Carb malabsorption for people who find they break out from fruit.

1) Natural circadian cycle with the consumption of nutrients needed to make seratonin early in the day, then plenty of bright light during the day, limiting artificial (esp blue spectum) light in evening and no light during sleep which should include the hours between 10-11pm to 4-5 am. Exercise also boosts seratonin production.

Tryptophan is also converted to niacin (B3). If you have a niacin deficiency, all the tryptophan you consume will be used to make niacin.

Study: Effects of dim or bright-light exposure during the daytime on human gastrointestinal activity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12638695

Avoid blue spectrum light sources at night. LEDs, PC displays, TV, etc. There's a software called Flux that adjusts the spectrum of your computer towards the red automatically every evening.

2) Nutrients:

Nutrient precursors to seratonin: methionine, folate, B12, B6, TMG (betaine) and zinc, and maybe some calcium and magnesium. And of course, amino acid tryptophan. (However, there is research that you want foods with the right ratio tryptophan to other amino acids. See below for more info.)

Nutrients that benefit liver function, because fructose is metabolized by the liver. Sulfur containing aminos such as Methionine/cysteine and the nutrients the body makes from them: taurine, GLUTATHIONE. Other sulfur phyto(plant)chemicals: indole-3-carbinole (I3C) and sulforaphane. CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE, LIPOIC ACID, QUERCETIN, Molybdenum, Glutamine. Milk Thistle, BETAINE

Basically, eat your greens, brassica veggies, onions, garlic, apples, etc. Animal proteins are also high in sulfur- eggs, chicken, fish, dairy...

Nutrients/Things that help sleep:

Melatonin (help your body make it), magnesium, Omega 3 EFAs, DHEA (made by the adrenal glands), Camomile Tea, green tea (but only early in the day). Vitamin D regulates the melatonin cycle ...

Also, avoid excessive amounts of fructose and glucose, such as that in added sugars, HFCS in processed foods and drinks and large high fructose fruits.

List of fruits and the types/amounts of sugar: Sugars found in various foods. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Other/herr48.pdf Fruits begin on page 7. Table sugar, sucrose, is half fructose. Agave Nectar is almost entirely fructose.

Nutritiondata.com list of foods highest in Fructose: http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000011...0000000000.html

Other organs/factors:

Adrenal Health

Manage Stress - exercise, get/give hugs, sex. Good Things/Nutrients for Mood

Avoid Progestin - synthetic progesterone in birth control pills.

More on tryptophan from foods and seratonin production:

Serotonin levels can not be increased by diet or supplements of tryptophan alone. For example, increasing foods rich in tryptophan (eg, meats, proteins) does not increase serotonin levels, due to competition with other amino acids.[49] What is required to increase serotonin production is an increase in the ratio of tryptophan to phenylalanine and leucine. Fruits with a good ratio include dates, papaya and banana. Foods with a lower ratio inhibit the production of serotonin. These include whole wheat and rye bread[50]
From wikipedia. (Dairy is very high in leucine and amino acid that is insulinemic.) Citing an article that says this:

The body actually doesn't need much tryptophan to compose serotonin. And yet you can consume lots of protein containing lots of tryptophan, with serotonin production remaining far too low simply because protein also contains amino acids inhibiting serotonin production, like leucine and phenylalanine in particular. Optimizing serotonin metabolism therefore is not about consuming protein high in tryptophan, but about consuming protein containing relatively more tryptophan than leucine and phenylalanine. Consuming such proteins improves serotonin metabolism, allowing you to feel happy, and sleep well Great 'happy' and 'sleepy-food' are fruits like dried dates, -figs, papaya, banana, strawberries, sweet cherries, orange, mango, pineapple, grapefruit and hazelnuts, combined with fresh raw egg yolk (because of the cholesterol), alternated with fresh raw salmon (because of the vitamin B3).Of course the best 'happy-foods' are easy to digest and should be consumed raw. Mushrooms and potato crisps are best 'happy'-munch-food (crisps combine well with egg yolk and avocado), but consuming mushrooms can cause cramps. Because these foods are high in tryptophan and low in leucine and phenylalanine. (and contain cholesterol, fats and sugars when combined). To know what foods can improve your sleep and happiness, you have to look at their SPF. SPF = 'Serotonin-Production Factor' = tryptophan / (phenylalanine + leucine). For example : if the SPF of a certain food-protein is 50%, this protein contains exactly as much tryptophan as the average of phenylalanine and leucine, strongly improving serotonin production. All foods with a SPF below 10%, more or less inhibit serotonin production. Whether these low-SPF foods actually do inhibit serotonin production, depends on how much protein they contain.
As this is a pretty goofy article, I'm looking for a better source of info on the SPF or Seratonin-Production-Factor of foods to see if that's a real thing and/or someone has made a useful chart of common foods.

And this is from webMD:

Protein-rich foods, such as meat or chicken, contain high levels of tryptophans. Tryptophan appears in dairy foods, nuts, and fowl. Ironically, however, levels of both tryptophan and serotonin drop after eating a meal packed with protein. Why? According to nutritionist Elizabeth Somer, when you eat a high-protein meal, you "flood the blood with both tryptophan and its competing amino acids," all fighting for entry into the brain. That means only a small amount of tryptophan gets through -- and serotonin levels don't rise.

But eat a carbohydrate-rich meal, and your body triggers a release of insulin. This, Somer says, causes any amino acids in the blood to be absorbed into the body -- but not the brain. Except for, you guessed it -- tryptophan!

But don't eat a carb rich meal. Eat a balanced meal.

And elsewhere:

When the brain produces serotonin, tension is eased. When it produces dopamine or norepinephrine, we tend to think and act more quickly and are generally more alert. Eating carbohydrates alone seems to have a calming effect, while proteins increase alertness. Complex carbohydrates, which raise the level of tryptophan in the brain, have a calming effect.

Protein promotes the production of dopamine and norepinephrine, which promote alertness. Protein meals containing essential fatty acids and/or carbohydrates are recommended for increased alertness. Salmon and white fish are good choices.

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I agree!! There are a lot of people here who have helped me clear up and get healthy, but no one so much as Alternavista. Even though I studied genetics and biochem in uni, she is so indepth it sometimes even goes over my head and I have to read it through twice. It takes a lot of effort to compile and sift through all this information, and we're lucky she takes the time to give it to us.


What's working for me:

Status: 98% clear

Diet:

-Avoiding gluten. Small portions of rice, sweet potatoes, potatoes and quinua for carbs.

-No milk, but I do enjoy small quanities of other full fat dairy

-Lots of fruits, veggies, water, eggs, fish, chicken, turkey, and occasionally red meat

-Green smoothies a few times a week

-Green tea everyday

Supplement:

-1000 IU D3 on non-sunny days. Will up it to 4000 again come fall.

-Zinc, 50 mg twice a week

-Omega 3, 3 times per day

Routine:

Evening- remove makeup with a few drops of jojoba oil, clean with hemp oil soap, moisturize with a bit more jojoba oil.

-Sleeping for a minimum of 8 hours a night, in darkness

-Walking the dog everyday and yoga once a week

Eating as healthy and organically as possible, applying only natural products to body, stressing less, exercising more, getting sunshine, camping, laughing lots.

________________________________________________________________________________

Link to my log, complete with progress photos!: CLICK!


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there is research that you want foods with the right ratio tryptophan to other amino acids.

which foods are these?


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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What is required to increase serotonin production is an increase in the ratio of tryptophan to phenylalanine and leucine. Fruits with a good ratio include dates, papaya and banana. Foods with a lower ratio inhibit the production of serotonin. These include whole wheat and rye bread[50]

The body actually doesn't need much tryptophan to compose serotonin. And yet you can consume lots of protein containing lots of tryptophan, with serotonin production remaining far too low simply because protein also contains amino acids inhibiting serotonin production, like leucine and phenylalanine in particular. Optimizing serotonin metabolism therefore is not about consuming protein high in tryptophan, but about consuming protein containing relatively more tryptophan than leucine and phenylalanine. Consuming such proteins improves serotonin metabolism, allowing you to feel happy, and sleep well Great 'happy' and 'sleepy-food' are fruits like dried dates, -figs, papaya, banana, strawberries, sweet cherries, orange, mango, pineapple, grapefruit and hazelnuts, combined with fresh raw egg yolk (because of the cholesterol), alternated with fresh raw salmon (because of the vitamin B3). SPF = 'Serotonin-Production Factor' = tryptophan / (phenylalanine + leucine). For example : if the SPF of a certain food-protein is 50%, this protein contains exactly as much tryptophan as the average of phenylalanine and leucine, strongly improving serotonin production. All foods with a SPF below 10%, more or less inhibit serotonin production. Whether these low-SPF foods actually do inhibit serotonin production, depends on how much protein they contain. As this is a pretty goofy article, I'm looking for a better source of info on the SPF or Seratonin-Production-Factor of foods to see if that's a real thing and/or someone has made a useful chart of common foods.

it doesnt seem like that ratio exists in these foods.

bananas

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits...t-juices/1846/2

tryptophan 20mg

Leucine 153mg

Phenylalanine 110 mg

dates

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits...t-juices/1882/2

tryptophan 17mg

Leucine 123mg

Phenylalanine 73.5 mg

papaya

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits...t-juices/1985/2

tryptophan 11 mg

Leucine 22mg

Phenylalanine 12mg


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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some intresting ideas here. I do believe that diet does have a big part in adult acne.

I've tried cutting various things from my diet and my skin has improved but it's far from perfect.

I keep meaning to try a liver flush but i haven't as yet. When i'll give it a go i'll give my review.

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it doesnt seem like that ratio exists in these foods.

Well, that ratio/SPF thing comes from the Wai diet people so...

But other more credible sources mentioned that other amino acids compete with tryptophan to get into the brain like WebMD and whfoods. And whfoods says it's tyrosine and phenylalanine that compete with tryptophan, not leucine. There are some studies cited at the bottom if you want to try to find more. I saw that one study was about the enzymes involved in 'processing' tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine being members of a 'family' so perhaps that has something to do with why they compete.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

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some intresting ideas here. I do believe that diet does have a big part in adult acne.

I've tried cutting various things from my diet and my skin has improved but it's far from perfect.

diet and lifestyle affect acne in many ways. More info on the many ways and what to do about it:http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Good-t230714.html This was just a consolidation of the info that impacts people's ability to digest fructose for the many people who say they break out from fruit.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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it doesnt seem like that ratio exists in these foods.

Well, that ratio/SPF thing comes from the Wai diet people so...

But other more credible sources mentioned that other amino acids compete with tryptophan like WebMD and whfoods. And whfoods says it's tyrosine and phenylalanine that compete with tryptophan, not leucine. There are some studies cited at the bottom if you want to try to find more.

perhaps it may be true that they do compete with each other, in some way, but perhaps just making sure you actually get the amino acids into your body in the first place, is maybe the first important thing to achieve, rather then getting some ideal ratio, that seems much harder or even impossible, unless you are making your own ratios with supplements, which is probably not worth the time.

that list was surprising because milk or cheese isnt even on it, and milk has twice the amount of tryptophan then all the foods listed.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.

#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.

#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.

#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.

#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.

#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.

#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.


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Looks good - commenting so i can read it later.


God gave us everything we need; the earth to live on, animals to feast on, vegetables to make side dishes and fruit to be eaten in moderation.

The devil put grains, beats and sugarcane on the earth to tempt us.

For approximately 2.5 million to 10,000 years ago most of us strayed away from temptation but the devils influence grew stronger and eventually we swayed to his evil ways.

God new that those whose faith was strong would never fall to temptation so he punished those who took to the pleasures of grains and sugar by not giving us the ability to digest grains and making sugar poisonous, eventually leading to all kinds of health problems including acne.

But some wanted there cake and to eat it too, free of health problems, so they made a pact with the devil and sold their soul's for acne free skin.

We see these people consuming delicious breaded, dough based meals, baked goods and confectioneries but with crystal clear skin.

These people are walking with the devil!!

They are the spawn of satan!!

Paleo is the righteous path my children!!

Your faith must be strong!!

Do not fall to temptation!!

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Interesting thing. If you go to the wikipedia article on fructose malabsorption and scroll to the references at the bottom, there's studies and articles mentioning low levels of folic acid (B9). Perhaps it has a role in addition to being a precursor to seratonin and thus important to the circadian cycle? I know it's important for the synthesis and function of many enzymes, but so are many other nutrients. And is important for methylation.

http://en.wikipedia....e_malabsorption


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Note for most people, the issues aren't with fructose from fruit. The body is fully adapted to processing the sugars in fruit. It's added sugars in processed foods and so-called healthy pure fructose sweeteners like agave nectar that are harmful. (and alcohol, which I'm not going to get into, but there's some info on how that is processed in the liver in one of the references).

Also, note that HFCS has only been around for one generation. It was invented in the late 60s and began being adopted by manufacturers in the 70s. I'm fairly positive that New Coke was a cover up for Coca cola's first attempt at the switch from sugar to HFCS in the 80s.

The below is a mess of stuff I copied from some Mercola articles and their references. I am working on consolidating into a more concise explaination

The difference between sugar from fruits and veggies, table sugar, HFCS and pure fructose such as Agave.

First:

-Glucose is the form of energy you were designed to run on. Every cell in your body, every bacterium -- and in fact, every living thing on the Earth -- uses glucose for energy.

-Sucrose (Table sugar) is fructose and glucose bound together and must first be metabolized into glucose and fructose in your intestine. Then the body proceeds to use the glucose for energy and sends the fructose to the liver.

-Fruits and vegetables contain a combination of free fructose and free glucose and sucrose (bound fructose and glucose) and sometimes other sugars.

-HFCS is fructose and glucose (in varying ratios that manufacturers don't have to report) Not bound together. HFCS is a highly processed product that contains similar amounts of unbound fructose and glucose. Sucrose (table sugar), on the other hand, is a larger sugar molecule that is metabolized into glucose and fructose in your intestine.

most fats are formed in your liver, and when sugar enters your liver, it decides whether to store it, burn it or turn it into fat. Fructose, however, bypasses this process and simply turns into fat. Additionally, there’s hard empirical evidence showing that refined man-made fructose like HFCS metabolizes to triglycerides and adipose tissue, not blood glucose.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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I have some big digestion issues and Im sure my problems lie in the candida, leaky gut area but i dont know for certain. I remember when they first started apples gave me problems, when i would eat one my stomach would become all bloated. I think this then happened with grapes but for some reason i brought grapes back into my diet and just continuted to eat them. Ive now had my digestion problems for almost three years. These include bloating, constipation,sneezing which im certain is related to the food i eat and also my nose runs when ever i seem to eat. The bloating and constipation is continuously there, it never goes and once i manage to go to the toilet it is back within five minutes.

For the past three years i have been pretty heavy on the fruit, on some days i guess i could have about five bowls full of grapes. I started doing this when i picked up on the low fat diet that was recommended to clear candida problems on some message boards. I have noticed i struggle with fats and i can get quite constipated from them, after foods like salmon and chicken my nose really does run and even after sweet potatoes. Just to note i do not break out from fruits, my skin seems to be much clearer when im eating them instead of foods such as those higher in fat. Could it be possible fructose could be causing issues such as these? Or should i continue looking in the area of candida/leaky gut?


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^Have you tried looking into the GAPS diet?


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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I have had a look and i kind of had a go at it, not fully because i was still consuming fruits and foods such as sweet potatoes. I know it says you should consume oil at every meal or something along those lines, i have tried but oils break me out like crazy. Infact all fats seem to give my face a battering, oils, avacados, nuts etc all seem to break me out. After the break outs i just went back to gauging on fruit.

As i have been feeling constipated for so long could it be that it was just an initial breakout from the coconut oil? I was getting big spots i haven't had for ages and they were appearing mostly on the chin area just below my lips.


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I have some big digestion issues and Im sure my problems lie in the candida, leaky gut area but i dont know for certain. I remember when they first started apples gave me problems, when i would eat one my stomach would become all bloated. I think this then happened with grapes but for some reason i brought grapes back into my diet and just continuted to eat them. Ive now had my digestion problems for almost three years. These include bloating, constipation,sneezing which im certain is related to the food i eat and also my nose runs when ever i seem to eat. The bloating and constipation is continuously there, it never goes and once i manage to go to the toilet it is back within five minutes.

Many of these problems can also be caused by parasites. You could get tested for that. Or one of the best things to do about them is to consume protease enzymes like bromelain and papain on an empty stomach. On a recent episode of Oz, they recommended papaya seeds for the papain. Also, increase digestive acids which is your first line of defense against parasites.

Also, did you try the meat/bone broths and other things to heal the digestive tract? What about lipase enzymes, ACV and other nutrients that help with fat metabolism?


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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I have some big digestion issues and Im sure my problems lie in the candida, leaky gut area but i dont know for certain. I remember when they first started apples gave me problems, when i would eat one my stomach would become all bloated. I think this then happened with grapes but for some reason i brought grapes back into my diet and just continuted to eat them. Ive now had my digestion problems for almost three years. These include bloating, constipation,sneezing which im certain is related to the food i eat and also my nose runs when ever i seem to eat. The bloating and constipation is continuously there, it never goes and once i manage to go to the toilet it is back within five minutes.

Many of these problems can also be caused by parasites. You could get tested for that. Or one of the best things to do about them is to consume protease enzymes like bromelain and papain on an empty stomach. On a recent episode of Oz, they recommended papaya seeds for the papain. Also, increase digestive acids which is your first line of defense against parasites.

Also, did you try the meat/bone broths and other things to heal the digestive tract? What about lipase enzymes, ACV and other nutrients that help with fat metabolism?

I have a plant enzyme supplement that contains Protease, Bromelain and Papain so i may give that a try on an empty stomach to see how i get along. I also have a digestive enymes supplement which contains the same sort of things but also contains HCI, would you recommend taking that with every meal i have?

I didn't but i really want to give them ago, i have a read some people that have tried recommend the broths so thats on my list to try. I tried kefir but it didn't seem to help but maybe i didn't give it enough time. Same with ACV to be honest, when i have tried it in the past i think i have been expecting instant success but then when my stomach is still really bloated after a few days i give up.

Also i feel stress doesn't help me either, when i get to work i can feel my stomach getting a twisted feeling and once that happens im pretty much done for. I have been having a look and it seems magnesium supplements and b-complex may help for that, would you recommend them?


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