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#1161 Lukez

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:01 PM

Tree1,

Idebenone was said by malden over at the AllThingsMale forum to help with weight gain, energy, being able to work out again, and some degree of mental repair as well.

He said it was the most effective product he had tried, although it was slow acting. Idebenone is a synthetic variant of coQ10. It's available online and in some cases by prescription.

Believe,

I don't know my IgA levels. But if you tried colustrum, and it has IgA, and you think low IgA is the problem, then are you cured/treated from the colostrum?
That's what matters. I've tried colostrum and didn't notice any improvement.

My own IBS cure I've recently posted.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:26 PM

If I could afford to drink half or a quarter of a bottle (one bottle is 125 ml) of colostrum every day, I would consider myself cured, it makes a world of difference. Digestive problems pretty much gone, more energy, no dry eyes, better mood... There are people in the world of bodybuilding who say colostrum is way better than roids...

Once I make enough money I will definitely try a bottle or half a bottle a day for like 2 or 3 months.

The colostrum powder did not work for me. Felt slightly better, but maybe that was only a placebo effect. It was not worth the money.

I tried different brands, here is the breakdown of the content of the liquid colostrum, it is German, but I am sure you will understand:

Analyse
Repalac Immun-flüssig


76 kJ (18 kcal)/100ml

Vitamine

Thiamin (Vit. B1)
0,09 mg/100ml
Riboflavin (Vit. B2)
0,33 mg/100ml
Pyrodoxin (Vit. B6)
0,028 mg/100ml
Cobalamin (Vit. B12)
0,45 ug/100ml
Folsäure
5,2 ug/100ml
Nicotinamid
0,09 mg/100ml
Pantothensäure
0,31 mg/100ml
Mineralien

Natrium (Na)
688 mg/l
Kalium (K)
1608 mg/l
Calzium (Ca)
1784 mg/l
Magnesium(Mg)
248 mg/l
Eisen (Fe)
0,5 mg/l
Mangan (Mn)
0,1 mg/l
Zink (Zn)
8,6 mg/l
Phosphor (P)
1362 mg/l
Selen (Se)
0,05 mg/l

Freie Aminosäuren

Alanin
1,44mg/100 ml
Arginin
0,22mg/100 ml
Asparginsäure
1,07 mg/100 ml
ß-Alanin
0,1 mg/100 ml
ß-Aminoisobuttersäure
0,1 mg/100 ml
Cystin
0,11 mg/100 ml
Glutamin
3,54 mg/100 ml
Glutaminsäure
0,1 mg/100 ml
Glycin
1,11 mg/100 ml
Histidin
0,70 mg/100 ml
Isoleucin
0,50 mg/100 ml
Leucin
2,41 mg/100 ml
Lysin
0,26 mg/100 ml
Methionin
0,23 mg/100 ml
Ornithin
0,20 mg/100 ml
Phenylalanin
1,00 mg/100 ml
Phosphorethanolamin
2,24 mg/100 ml
Phosphorserin
0,63 mg/100 ml
Prolin
3,38 mg/100 ml
Serin
0,71 mg/100 ml
Taurin
11,79 mg/100 ml
Threonin
0,48 mg/100 ml
Tryptophan
0,22 mg/100 ml
Tyrosin
1,18 mg/100 ml
Valin
1,10 mg/100 ml

Immunglobuline

Immunglobuline
59,1 g/l

Natürliche regulatorische Peptidfaktoren bzw. Immunotransmitter u.a. Interleukine, Lymphokine, Monokine, Interferon, Lysozyme, Wachstumsfaktoren, Lactoferrin.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:49 PM

If I could afford to drink half or a quarter of a bottle (one bottle is 125 ml) of colostrum every day, I would consider myself cured, it makes a world of difference. Digestive problems pretty much gone, more energy, no dry eyes, better mood... There are people in the world of bodybuilding who say colostrum is way better than roids...

Once I make enough money I will definitely try a bottle or half a bottle a day for like 2 or 3 months.

The colostrum powder did not work for me. Felt slightly better, but maybe that was only a placebo effect. It was not worth the money.

I tried different brands, here is the breakdown of the content of the liquid colostrum, it is German, but I am sure you will understand:

Analyse
Repalac Immun-flüssig


76 kJ (18 kcal)/100ml

Vitamine

Thiamin (Vit. B1)
0,09 mg/100ml
Riboflavin (Vit. B2)
0,33 mg/100ml
Pyrodoxin (Vit. B6)
0,028 mg/100ml
Cobalamin (Vit. B12)
0,45 ug/100ml
Folsäure
5,2 ug/100ml
Nicotinamid
0,09 mg/100ml
Pantothensäure
0,31 mg/100ml
Mineralien

Natrium (Na)
688 mg/l
Kalium (K)
1608 mg/l
Calzium (Ca)
1784 mg/l
Magnesium(Mg)
248 mg/l
Eisen (Fe)
0,5 mg/l
Mangan (Mn)
0,1 mg/l
Zink (Zn)
8,6 mg/l
Phosphor (P)
1362 mg/l
Selen (Se)
0,05 mg/l

Freie Aminosäuren

Alanin
1,44mg/100 ml
Arginin
0,22mg/100 ml
Asparginsäure
1,07 mg/100 ml
ß-Alanin
0,1 mg/100 ml
ß-Aminoisobuttersäure
0,1 mg/100 ml
Cystin
0,11 mg/100 ml
Glutamin
3,54 mg/100 ml
Glutaminsäure
0,1 mg/100 ml
Glycin
1,11 mg/100 ml
Histidin
0,70 mg/100 ml
Isoleucin
0,50 mg/100 ml
Leucin
2,41 mg/100 ml
Lysin
0,26 mg/100 ml
Methionin
0,23 mg/100 ml
Ornithin
0,20 mg/100 ml
Phenylalanin
1,00 mg/100 ml
Phosphorethanolamin
2,24 mg/100 ml
Phosphorserin
0,63 mg/100 ml
Prolin
3,38 mg/100 ml
Serin
0,71 mg/100 ml
Taurin
11,79 mg/100 ml
Threonin
0,48 mg/100 ml
Tryptophan
0,22 mg/100 ml
Tyrosin
1,18 mg/100 ml
Valin
1,10 mg/100 ml

Immunglobuline

Immunglobuline
59,1 g/l


Where can you get the liquid?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:34 PM

Hey and Indigo and rest of you how are things going

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:22 AM

I have just finished all 15+ pages of Dr. Snow's blog. Below I will provide the only clear explanation of his theory available anywhere on the Internet. If you are not interested in that, feel free to skip this post.

Every breastfed baby develops a healthy mucosal membrane system. Human breast milk contains the perfect balance of probotioc strains and colostrom, which allows the bacteria to bind to the mucosal lining walls.

This mucosal membrane extends not only throughout the gut, but also to other systems such as the urinary tract, reproductive tract, nasal tract, lungs, ears, eyes, etc. In fact, good bacteria colonize the surface of your entire body - skin, nails, and hair.

Later in life, antibiotics or other environmental and dietary factors may cause a reduction in this original bacterial colony. As a result, the mucus membrane no longer performs its original functions correctly. Moreover, bad bacteria may proliferate, unbalancing the PH level, causing the membrane to become sensitive and inflamed. The immune system becomes involved, with unpredictable results. If the membrane is in the digestive tract, digestive juices may begin to eat through the membrane and into surrounding tissue. The membrane becomes too permeable. Various medical interventions usually tend to worsen the problem by masking symptoms designed to protect the body from further damage. Or, worst of all, by prescribing more antibiotics.

All of these problems can create many different symptom sets depending on the location of the damaged membrane, severity, and individual circumstances. But it all stems from the same root problem - the devastation of the original bacterial colony. That's why these problems started to become prevalent only after WWII - that's when antibiotic and baby formula use first became widespread.

Dr. Snow's solution is to
1. Repopulate the colony with a probiotic + colostom supplement program that closely mimics human breast milk
2. Manage symptoms while the recovery proceeds
3. Gradually rebuild damaged tissue
4. Gradually reintroduce the full range of food and lifestyle available to a normal, healthy person.

A family member of mine will probably try Dr. Snow before I do, for chronic IBS. I was not able to get additional details from Dr. Snow on the mechanism for reversing Accutane damage without scheduling an appointment.

There may be a lower-cost way to implement most of Dr. Snow's protocol - one that does not require expensive refrigerated probiotics and premium colostrum. Simply drink human breast milk.

Given the logistical problems involved in refrigerated shipping from the US to China, I may try this option. Note that I was not able to get Snow to confirm that this would work for me. I still want to schedule a consultation with him, to get further answers.

So, wouldn't it be interesting, if the only answer to the Vitaminosis-A, aka the death vitamin, was human breast milk, aka the original liquid of life?

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:27 AM

Hey and Indigo and rest of you how are things going


Like how I get a personal mention ;)
Not good though.
I really fucking try, and I'd been okay the last several days (well - as 'okay' as possible when dealing with this).
Last night, I went to a family buffet. I didn't eat much.. It was savoury snack-food mostly.
After, I just felt ill and tired, and overall horrible.
It's just a great big pain-in-the-butt.

Today I feel rubbish because my gums still seem to be receding.
It's definitely getting worse, and that's just not fair.
I hate not having control.
It's like... Why should I bother(?)
Nothing I do makes any difference anyway.

People can abuse their livers with alcohol for years and then undo the damage by stopping.
I brush my teeth with a soft-bristled brush, floss my teeth and only drink water.
I chew gum after meals to get rid of any food that's been lodged in my teeth.
It's not bloody rocket science. I know how to brush my teeth, and I couldn't be doing it more 'right'.
I even bought an all-natural product called 'Tooth-soap' which is supposed to be really good.
Only got it yesterday, but I have a sinking feeling that I'll lose all my teeth or have to result to very painful gum surgery.
And that's not going to 'fix' the problem, is it?
It's probably down to dry mouth and my shitty immune system that can't defend itself against simple bacteria.
It's all very frustrating and I feel completely at will to whatever is going to happen to me.

Before Tooth-soap, I was using a fluoride-free toothpaste and switched chemical mouthwash for tea tree oil drops and water.
What am I supposed to do?

It's one of those days where I think 'I'm not supposed to get through this. Clearly, it's not meant to be'.
I just feel like swallowing as many painkillers as possible, or crashing my car into a building at 80mph.

It sucks, because I don't want my life to be like this.
Anyone else ... Overweight people, or people with a drug problem... They have the choice to get better.
It appears I/we don't.

But hey - How are you?
Still alive and well?

ENVIOUS, much?!

http://www.youtube.c...c&feature=g-u-u

I've linked videos of this guy before. He's very, very good.
I'm watching this one now.
He mentioned God quite a bit, but it doesn't really bother me.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:05 AM

I have mentioned colostrum before and yes it works, but....

First, I tried liquid organic colostrum. I tried the following brands:

http://www.aponeo.de...W0LFXqMLAKqNkbH

http://www.aponeo.de...W0LFXqMLAKqNkbH


This is where I got it, it is probably available throughout Europe. The process they use saves all the ingredients, it was specifically developed at the University of Cologne.

The only brand I found that was selling a liquid in the US I believe is Kirklabs, but I can't guarantee for the quality, it all depends on when the colostrum is taken, if it is taken too late it is basically just plain milk...

There may be a lower-cost way to implement most of Dr. Snow's protocol - one that does not require expensive refrigerated probiotics and premium colostrum. Simply drink human breast milk.


Human breast milk is not the same as human colostrum, just like cows milk is not colostrum, I hope you know that. But indeed human colostrum is probably the best stuff you can get I have heard that before.

@ Indigo: you gotta correct your self-image to win this fight, you see yourself too much as a victim, this state of mind won't get you anywhere.

Life is not a sprint it is a marathon!

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:25 AM

I didn't really care to read the last couple of pages but are you actually blaming Accutane for gum receding now? Also, trying to get Accutane banned is probably not the best action route. Good luck though buddy lol

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:23 PM

Simply drink human breast milk


Wouldn't it be best to get it directly?

Rather than all the shipping from US to China shtuff...

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

My plan is just to find a nursing infant, tap it on the shoulder, and say, "Excuse me, you gonna finish that?"

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:39 PM

Now you're talking. You know you can get lactation devices, right? Get your girlfriend on the program. Tell her it's for science. No, wait, girls hate that. Tell her if she really loves you it's time to lactate.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:43 PM

I'm feeling so bad the last few days. It seems that my magical Zinc picolinate stopped working. It looked so promissing and the results were there. For a couple of weeks I was off accutane, and had just one zinc tablet each day. It seemed to have about 80% of the effect accutane had, minus de side-effect. Somehow I suspect that zinc might have boosted the last few leftovers of Accutane in my body to work and now it's gone. :(

Ever since I stopped accutane a few months back (because of medical reasons including antibiotics) I started developing scalp acne. I never had it and now the acne on my scalp is worse than on my face. Terrible itching, all day long. In the magical zinc moments, this was reduced to a minimum. I tried to get more out of it by doing healthy stuff like eating nuts and taking cod liver oil. This would just break me out terrible, so I tried something new recently. I took mango every day for two weeks. The result is that my skin looks like crap, especially on my scalp. Because of the accutane I'm balding, so I have very short hair. Right now the scalp acne is very visible. This and the terrible itching got me thinking in a whole wrong direction. The direction of starting Accutane again.

It seems like every effort I take to be more healthy just backfires big time. The only way to stay "clear" (about 80%) the last weeks was taking zinc, dry bread, water, tea and dry rice. Everything like fruits, sugars, and things to spice up food would break me out. Result is that I lost a lot of weight too. I just look like shit now + big time acne. I'm also still suffering from constipation to top it all off.

I hoped to have some better and more possitive thoughts to share, but I feel kinda desperate. Been avoiding social interaction the last few days and thinking of accutane big time. I really don't want it, but right now I'm too ashamed to meet people and interact. What do you guys do when you get a acne flair up? Boost you're regime, just let it happen or try new stuff?

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 08:37 PM

Hah. I think we've finally reached the limits of shit I'm willing to talk about online under my real name. Hats off to you sir.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:06 PM

Now you're talking. You know you can get lactation devices, right? Get your girlfriend on the program. Tell her it's for science. No, wait, girls hate that. Tell her if she really loves you it's time to lactate.


lol

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 07:58 AM

A lot of you struggle with social issues. Accutane can make things that should be simple and fulfilling extremely difficult and painful. I believe this video can help.

The first hour barely mentions girls at all. It's about life.



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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:55 AM

My plan is just to find a nursing infant, tap it on the shoulder, and say, "Excuse me, you gonna finish that?"


Jeeeze why is everyone always hating on you? I thought this was funny.

Lighten up guys! Our (well mine at least) lives are bad enough! I feel like we might be getting somewhere.

We can't afford to be negative and attack eachother.

You realize we pretty much have no answers right?

We need to work TOGETHER to get our lives back!

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:14 AM

Yeah, lighten up guys.

Colostrum is one reason why I am pretty optimistic about the future. Once I graduate university and find a well paid job I can afford down a bottle of colostrum every day. That will be like "being on steroids" all the time without the side effects...lol

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:09 AM


My plan is just to find a nursing infant, tap it on the shoulder, and say, "Excuse me, you gonna finish that?"


Jeeeze why is everyone always hating on you? I thought this was funny.

Lighten up guys! Our (well mine at least) lives are bad enough! I feel like we might be getting somewhere.

We can't afford to be negative and attack eachother.

You realize we pretty much have no answers right?

We need to work TOGETHER to get our lives back!


He has his moments...

For the record, I love all of you guys! and gal - Oli Girl

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:43 PM

I didn't really care to read the last couple of pages but are you actually blaming Accutane for gum receding now? Also, trying to get Accutane banned is probably not the best action route. Good luck though buddy lol


I've determined this thread has turned into an all encompassing smorgasborg of hypochondriasis with accutane as the sole scapegoat for all of life's problems.

Normally, I wouldn't have a problem with people doing what they do, but when people start preaching how accutane is the devil and should be banned... Well I have a huge problem with that. After 9 years taking accutane, I can safely say that most of these "problems" are not in any way related to a drug they took for four months. These guys and gals should really seek some counseling. Breast lactations to treat post-accutane "problems"?!!? Come on now....

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:39 PM


I didn't really care to read the last couple of pages but are you actually blaming Accutane for gum receding now? Also, trying to get Accutane banned is probably not the best action route. Good luck though buddy lol


I've determined this thread has turned into an all encompassing smorgasborg of hypochondriasis with accutane as the sole scapegoat for all of life's problems.

Normally, I wouldn't have a problem with people doing what they do, but when people start preaching how accutane is the devil and should be banned... Well I have a huge problem with that. After 9 years taking accutane, I can safely say that most of these "problems" are not in any way related to a drug they took for four months. These guys and gals should really seek some counseling. Breast lactations to treat post-accutane "problems"?!!? Come on now....


I completely agree. While I understand some have suffered real side effects due to the drug, we do experience the same over exaggerating people. Many who preach about how bad Accutane was, come back a year later and say they are completely fine. I took Accutane for at least 7 months (full dosage) and that was over a year ago. Accutane has helped me in many ways as well as others and therefore stating that Accutane should be banned is bogus. Some of you spend way to much on this website and google searching for a reason why everything is falling apart because of this drug.


Accutane was your choice.





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