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#81 Chico Esposito

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (IndigoRush @ Aug 9 2011, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (jmsil @ Aug 9 2011, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll be honest in that, I don't really like talking about the side effects... it makes me depressed! All I will say is I can relate to some that Indigo mentioned in the very first post.

I'll also be honest in that I've been seriously considering suicide. I just want my old life back, and i ff I vcan't get anywhere near this, what's the point of accepting and struggling with life as it is, and truely not living? It almost feels the dignified thing to do, to get out before it gets worse when your older. I'm finding just doing normal things and meeting family more increasingly difficult because i'm an absolute shadow of what i used to be,a nd don't want people seeing me like this. and as a viscous circle, this opens up there opinions of me to being "rude", and unsocial.

100% raw food doesn't work... did this for 2 years. As Chico said, milk thistle doesn't work. I tried literally everyjing that was supposed to be healthy and gave that up many years ago, because i kept geting dissapointed nothing worked.

I decided a few weeks ago I will try one last time to un-accutane myself, and try all of the liver flush tincures from SensibleHealth, as it's common knowldge the liver is hit hard by accutane, and the feedback from those that have taken these herbs from SensibleHealthalways seem to be good. Having found this board and found chico's posts about the bile flow, and generaly how accutane stays in the body in such detail, after i started taking these herbs, have also given me encouragement that this is the right thing to take if anyjthing can sort this out. 2 weeks in almost, my energy levels have increased, libido has dramatically increased, moving my fingers across my face, my skin feels slightly more moist, as are my lips, theyfeel more supple.last friday, a week into the herbs, i developed a big red lump with a big juicy whitehead on it on my chin. i rarely ever get these for years, but used to get these all the time before accutane.whether these differences last i don't know, as i've taken things before that seem different to begin with, but don't last. time will tell. this could also be nothing ot do with accutane. it's to early to make any conclusion.

obviously since i started the tinctures i found this board, and thi s post , and chico mentioned coconut oil. i have now taked 1 tablespoon as itfor the last 4-5 days, and i have to admit i makes me ever so slightly have less energy, escpially within 1-2 hours after taking. it's nothing near as bad like olive oil, which i see people have mentioned here, as im still able to take the coconut oil every day, and welcome the fat. olive oil i felt bad for up to a week and wouldn't even consider taking more. but i may watch the coconut oil.. it's harder to judge how the liver tinctures are working when you are taking more then 1 new thing at the same time to say how effective something is.

thanks chico for telling me you tired calcium d-glu..... and unfortunetely that it didn't work. thats 2 people now. unfortunately i did order some online, but I won't waste my time taking it.

chico - did or are you taking the liver tincutres from SensibleHealth, and if so, which ones, and did you feel they were doing you good or any benefits?


Hey man,

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience with this drug. I know exactly how you feel, of course. Just the other day, I was having an argument with my girlfriend. I was so close to giving up. Driving + Depression/Suicidal thoughts don't mix well.

What pisses me off is that the pharm. industry poisons a load of teenagers and then leaves them to figure out the rest. I could go on about how we shouldn't be paying to try different supplements, but let's try not to get too depressed.

But, if I hear the word accutane/roaccutane, I immediately quiver. It's really messed with me. Went to the Zoo today and I just felt tired walking around, with sunglasses (it wasn't sunny) so people wouldn't see my eyes. Plus, I now have floaters which are very annoying.

Chico, you are now officially our King. Guide us back to health!

While at the Zoo though, I noted how perfectly designed the Zebras were. Perfectly symetrical. I'm not at all religious, but you have to admit someone's made them that way.

Fear is a huge issue for me now, because this drug has made me feel knackered, I worry how I'll be in 10 years. Or 20...

But Hope is always around the corner. It may not last long, but it always seems to come back. I get it with certain supplements, which turn out to do buggar all. I've got hope from this.

Chico, is it possible our digestive system's are that weak that they can't break down tablets? I got some artichokes in tablet form and I wonder how/if my body can even break them down. I have tried dozens of different tablets and they seem to have no effect on me at all now

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I'm not a king and i dont have all the answers, i wish i did believe me. But the very first thing you have to do is address this destructive attitude, self pity is the most detrimental of all human emotions, it destroys everything and leaves only itself. You have to let that go, you have to let go your resentment for the drug, for your life subsequently. Your pride is stopping you...... thats fundemental....without that there is no healing. Your mindset is EVERYTHING. You wanna focus your energy on getting healthy.

Get to the core of your problem, your problem will be different to mine it's not always the exact same thing. Understand why and then go about changing it, don't take loads of supplements cut it right back. Get focused but not single minded.

Edited by Chico Esposito, 10 August 2011 - 08:14 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2011 - 08:09 AM

Accutane can only be used in the skin cell receptors right... it can't be stored in the liver, it's gotta be used or removed. Once retinol is converted to retinoic acid, the retinoic acid enters into the vitamin A receptor and activates it. With intrahepatic cholastasis the accutane cant be removed so it will be in the vitamin A receptor sites constantly activating them.

It's difficult to explain i've talked about how accutane can cause intrahepatic cholastasis due to being bound to glucuronic acid molecules, which clog up and downregulate bile flow. But what i havent talked about is the symbiotic relationship between accutane and retinol containing foods. The only foods that push accutane out the vitamin A receptors are retinol containing foods. The body absorbs retinol ie butter (for example) and converts it to retinoic acid, it then displaces the accutane out of the vitamin a receptor sites and uses the new retinoic acid thats it's just absorbed from food (in this case butter). The accutane then goes to the liver to be removed, but the intrahepatic cholastasis which i've mentioned in another post stops it being removed, so it circulates in the body causing a toxic shock.

Vitamin A toxicity may lead to intrahepatic cholestasis, a condition where bile cannot flow from the liver into the intestines. Treatment with ursodeoxycholic acid has been shown to greatly improve the symptoms of cholestasis.

Hence retinol foods exasperating hypervitaminosis A symptoms when consumed. It's not the foods fault, it's the fact that it displaces the accutane from the receptors and causes it to flood the body that causes this effect.

Edited by Chico Esposito, 10 August 2011 - 08:13 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2011 - 08:27 AM

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I'll also be honest in that I've been seriously considering suicide. I just want my old life back, and i ff I vcan't get anywhere near this, what's the point of accepting and struggling with life as it is, and truely not living? It almost feels the dignified thing to do, to get out before it gets worse when your older. I'm finding just doing normal things and meeting family more increasingly difficult because i'm an absolute shadow of what i used to be,a nd don't want people seeing me like this. and as a viscous circle, this opens up there opinions of me to being "rude", and unsocial.


Oh come on - get a hobby or just something different to obsess about that isnt your skin. Having bad skin does not stop you from living.
Think how small our planet is compared to the universe and how tiny and meaningless we are. Keep life in prospective! tongue.gif

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 03:14 PM

QUOTE (Claudius @ Aug 10 2011, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (jmsil @ Aug 9 2011, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll also be honest in that I've been seriously considering suicide. I just want my old life back, and i ff I vcan't get anywhere near this, what's the point of accepting and struggling with life as it is, and truely not living? It almost feels the dignified thing to do, to get out before it gets worse when your older. I'm finding just doing normal things and meeting family more increasingly difficult because i'm an absolute shadow of what i used to be,a nd don't want people seeing me like this. and as a viscous circle, this opens up there opinions of me to being "rude", and unsocial.


Oh come on - get a hobby or just something different to obsess about that isnt your skin. Having bad skin does not stop you from living.
Think how small our planet is compared to the universe and how tiny and meaningless we are. Keep life in prospective! tongue.gif


Uhmm, I think Acne is the least of his worries....He is talking about undoing the Accutane poison.....

Well after 3yrs of battling every known tendonits on my right side, I know am struggling w/ my left foot/ankle....I am really getting fed up looks like I will be trying hyperbaric oxygen treatments. They say sppouse to be good for the brain and tendons and many other things.

Though I do agree w/ the gut....My was super hyperspeed after Accutane,but now is slow. In the beginning if I ingested any Vit A bowels hyperspeed could hear my stomach....Tired I tell ya. ....

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 03:23 PM

Chico - Great info once more.. thanks for all your help by explaning how accutane works and possible soloutions. I will continue to take the 4 liver tinctures I mentioned, from Sensible Health, and see how it goes. If I get any positives from this, I will post back in this thread.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 04:18 AM

Chico... I need your advice.
The last couple of days I've felt so low. I took on board what you said last time, but it's not like I haven't tried a hundred time to counter my mind and stop thinking like a victim.
I now have a product by the company 'Now'. It's called Super Enzymes and as the name suggests is used to aid digestion. It contains a few ingredients, including 100mg of Ox Bile. Do you think this will suffice?

My question though is this: Are you saying that once you increase/repair bile flow, it effectively removes accutane (assuming it is stored in the body) and the many symptoms associated with it will diminish and cease to exist? There are so many theories and complications to this drug it seems. For example, we all know it's a chemotherapy drug, which means it destroys rapidly dividing cells of all kind. It's also said to stop oil production (perhaps due to destroying the glands and different organs while involve this process) which explains premature aging, weak (unlubricated) joints etc. Do you suppose the body can repair itself?

To be honest, after 5 years of this ****, I just want a damn answer. I can barely look myself in the eye because it reminds me what I've become - All because I was naive at 15. One mistake should not justify a life's suffering.

I would like 5 minutes with Mr. Roche very, very much. If I truely believed in justice and karma, perhaps I could relax and think 'Ah, it'll be okay. I'm a good person. The bad people will get what they deserve'. But how am I supposed to believe that?

I'm done.

Edited by IndigoRush, 12 August 2011 - 04:22 AM.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 06:54 AM

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Edited by Chico Esposito, 12 August 2011 - 11:40 AM.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE (Chico Esposito @ Aug 12 2011, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (IndigoRush @ Aug 12 2011, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chico... I need your advice.
The last couple of days I've felt so low. I took on board what you said last time, but it's not like I haven't tried a hundred time to counter my mind and stop thinking like a victim.
I now have a product by the company 'Now'. It's called Super Enzymes and as the name suggests is used to aid digestion. It contains a few ingredients, including 100mg of Ox Bile. Do you think this will suffice?

My question though is this: Are you saying that once you increase/repair bile flow, it effectively removes accutane (assuming it is stored in the body) and the many symptoms associated with it will diminish and cease to exist? There are so many theories and complications to this drug it seems. For example, we all know it's a chemotherapy drug, which means it destroys rapidly dividing cells of all kind. It's also said to stop oil production (perhaps due to destroying the glands and different organs while involve this process) which explains premature aging, weak (unlubricated) joints etc. Do you suppose the body can repair itself?

To be honest, after 5 years of this ****, I just want a damn answer. I can barely look myself in the eye because it reminds me what I've become - All because I was naive at 15. One mistake should not justify a life's suffering.

I would like 5 minutes with Mr. Roche very, very much. If I truely believed in justice and karma, perhaps I could relax and think 'Ah, it'll be okay. I'm a good person. The bad people will get what they deserve'. But how am I supposed to believe that?

I'm done.



I don't know why it's a chemo drug, it has absolutely nothing to do with cancer. All chemo drugs are very damaging to the body, the radiation destroys cells of all kinds, if people educated themselves on raw living foods and avoidance of all synthetic chemicals, processed foods, trans fats....basically anything thats not natural to the human body there wouldn't be cancer in the first place. We are just a species of animal, cancer doesnt occur in the wild, it's humans and domesticated animals that get that disease, caused by the complete lack of understanding towards nature.

In relation to the question will curing bile flow cure accutane side effects the answer is YES and NO. The clogging of the bile is the cause but it's also about removing the retinoic acid out of the vitamin A receptor sites so they can be removed in the bile.

Chinese bitters / Bile acid supplement - will ease the burden of the congested bile due to cholastasis.

Eating foods with vitamin A in them - will mean that the body will use the vitamin A from the food instead of using the accutane. The important thing is having the bile in the intestines available to absorb the fat soluble nutrients in these foods so this process can take place, because without bile you cant absorb fat soluble vitamins.

Clean 100% natural foods diet- will stop metabolic waste building up in the body whilst your liver is overloaded and unable to remove the toxins.

MSM- will help to increase cell permeability, if the bile is down regulated, the lymph is clogged...the cell permeability is extremely low as toxins back up into the body. By opening up the cells they can uptake nutrients and start removing the toxins out. Also it work's against calcification, a notorious side effect of hypervitaminosis A.....calcium gets leeched from the bones, flooding the bloodstream this is the cause of the joint issues. Type in hypercalcemia and hypervitaminosis A to see what i mean. Build up to 20-30 grams of msm per day.

Coconut oil - is excellent because it can be absorbed without bile or pancreatic enzymes, so the fat can bind to the fat soluble toxins and remove them in the bile. Eat about 4 tablespoons per day.

Thats basically every side effect of Accutane covered. Don't go out and buy all this but experiment with at least cleaning your diet up adding chinese bitters. Remember if the bile isn't working, the lymph is clogged, the cell permeability is reduced massively and your body basically becomes like a backed up waste dump. The now super enzymes may help you for the time being but look into ox bile or chinese bitters.


Hi. Thanks for getting back to me again.
I believe accutane or isotretinoin was introduced as a chemotherapy drug for cancer and it was discovered that it helped cancer patients with acne get rid of the acne.

I've been taking MSM (just a teaspoon per day) for a while as I heard it's a good all-rounder.

I have one of the chinese bitters already (Gentian) so will get the other and see what I can do.
How long ago was it that you discovered this as a solution?

Thanks

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:59 AM

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Edited by Chico Esposito, 20 August 2011 - 04:03 AM.


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Posted 13 August 2011 - 06:38 AM

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I'm not happy with that post i'll revise it......In answer to your question IndigoRush I started taking Eniva vibe cardiac and life at the advice of someone with accutane induced seborrheic dermatitis about a year ago. I took 1floz in the morning and 1floz at night. My seborrheic dermatitis began to scab up and fall off. I'd like to stress i'm not fully cured of the effects of accutane but i am in a better place and understand the condition and the side effects associated with it.

The Eniva vibe worked because it contained fat soluble vitamin A in liquid form, which replaced the accutane in the skin cells and slowed down the excessive skin cell turnover. What happened is i developed intrahepatic cholastasis during my course of accutane and my body was unable to remove it. So it caused a long chain of side effects, including seborrheic dermatitis. Retinoic acid is in control of skin cell turnover so it makes sense. Without bile in my intestine i was unable to absorb fat soluble vitamins so i couldn't absorb vitamin A from food, hence not being able to replace the accutane in the receptors. Thats why eniva vibe worked because it was liquid so it bypassed my weakened digest system and was instantly absorbed.

Eating foods with retinol in them like raw milk, raw cream, raw butter and taking ox bile with meals has the same effect because it's replacing the lack of bile in the intestine allowing you to absorb fat soluble vitamins once more. Coconut oil is a good one to take cos it doesn't need bile or enzymes to be absorbed. Regardless of how bad your digestion is you'll absorb coconut oil cos it's a MCT.


Okay..
I'm seriously p*ssed off right now.
Did you hear about what the European government is doing?
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http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PPOI4AlTkbo

BANNING ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE!? Fuck.

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 10:47 AM

I ordered Chinese Bitters from SensibleHealth (based in Canada) 2-3 weeks ago and received them. Ah... just realised this is regarding to banning buying herbs from UK shops, rather then importing from abroad.

Worrying if the story is true, but hasn't this sort of thing been theatened before?

Great info as always Chico - as I said, I'm currently taking Chinese Bitters, GCG, Coptis and Curcuma. I will post if I get real benefits. Following on from Chico's suggestion of coconut oil, I bought a new one oline, as the one from my shop didn't say it was virgin. I got the new one from the link below, and it tastes great, it's organic and virgin, and raw.

http://www.goodnessd..._Oil__200g.html

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (jmsil @ Aug 13 2011, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I ordered Chinese Bitters from SensibleHealth (based in Canada) 2-3 weeks ago and received them. Ah... just realised this is regarding to banning buying herbs from UK shops, rather then importing from abroad.

Worrying if the story is true, but hasn't this sort of thing been theatened before?

Great info as always Chico - as I said, I'm currently taking Chinese Bitters, GCG, Coptis and Curcuma. I will post if I get real benefits. Following on from Chico's suggestion of coconut oil, I bought a new one oline, as the one from my shop didn't say it was virgin. I got the new one from the link below, and it tastes great, it's organic and virgin, and raw.

http://www.goodnessd..._Oil__200g.html



Hey buddy,

You taking the Coconut oil by itself? It adds nicely to oatmeal (porridge). I remember ages ago, when I first had some. I was expecting bite into lovely bounty-like cononut. Not quite. I bought a coconut ages ago, probably end of May and haven't had it yet. Wonder if it's still edible. They're cheap enough. Watermelon is my favourite. I think it's got Vitamin A in though.

Regarding the EU's (ridiculous) decision, it is definitely happening, as we speak. P*ssed me off when I found out, as I have gained faith in herbs and chinese tonics. I made a video today, if you fancy finding out more: www.youtube.com/stefanalexanderlay I link some info in the description box on the video. It's happening as we speak, but won't be a dramatic stop - as in NO herbs at all - they will be evaluating them. And they will fail. There's an organisation fighting it and they're taking it to court. They should win, as the E.U. hasn't got a valid reason. They do have power though, unfortunately.

We'll see!

All the best,

Stef

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (IndigoRush @ Aug 13 2011, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (jmsil @ Aug 13 2011, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I ordered Chinese Bitters from SensibleHealth (based in Canada) 2-3 weeks ago and received them. Ah... just realised this is regarding to banning buying herbs from UK shops, rather then importing from abroad.

Worrying if the story is true, but hasn't this sort of thing been theatened before?

Great info as always Chico - as I said, I'm currently taking Chinese Bitters, GCG, Coptis and Curcuma. I will post if I get real benefits. Following on from Chico's suggestion of coconut oil, I bought a new one oline, as the one from my shop didn't say it was virgin. I got the new one from the link below, and it tastes great, it's organic and virgin, and raw.

http://www.goodnessd..._Oil__200g.html



Hey buddy,

You taking the Coconut oil by itself? It adds nicely to oatmeal (porridge). I remember ages ago, when I first had some. I was expecting bite into lovely bounty-like cononut. Not quite. I bought a coconut ages ago, probably end of May and haven't had it yet. Wonder if it's still edible. They're cheap enough. Watermelon is my favourite. I think it's got Vitamin A in though.

Regarding the EU's (ridiculous) decision, it is definitely happening, as we speak. P*ssed me off when I found out, as I have gained faith in herbs and chinese tonics. I made a video today, if you fancy finding out more: www.youtube.com/stefanalexanderlay I link some info in the description box on the video. It's happening as we speak, but won't be a dramatic stop - as in NO herbs at all - they will be evaluating them. And they will fail. There's an organisation fighting it and they're taking it to court. They should win, as the E.U. hasn't got a valid reason. They do have power though, unfortunately.

We'll see!

All the best,

Stef



I watched the vid and i couldn't agree more, it's codex alimentarius....it's basically a plan to make natural medicine illegal so the pharmecutical companys can push more drugs onto the masses. Disgraceful.........I hope it gets better for you........you have the right stance though, natural is best 100% of the time. I hope you can find some good quality herbs, milk thistle, dandelion, nettle, artichoke, beetroot, chinese gentian, bupleurum root, siliphos.......all natural, all good for the liver.....take care.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 12:11 PM

indigo - i have 1 tablespoon straight with a tiny bit of water. I saw you mentioed you had the chinese genitan, part of the chinese bitters. Just making sure you've got this as an alcohol tincture. I've heard from a few people that liver herbs that aren't alcohol based basiclly won't work, because alcohol will carry all the herb to the liver, whereas water based tinctures tinctures, tablets struggle.

Chico - How that I see you recommend 4 tablespoons, I will up to this. Why do you recommend consuming so much?Is it for weight gain (which I do need) or is it for detox, in that it can actually remove retinoic acid? Does bile flow still need to be improved to reomve retinoic acid this way? Also, have you managed to gain weight with coconut oil, or just in any way, since after accutane (if weight gain was ever a problem for you)? Also, reading back on one of your posts regarding eniva vibe... are you saying that coconut oil works in exactly the same way? In that you get to easily absorb fat soluable vitamin a. are vitmin a and fat soluable vitamin a two diffrerent things? I'm confused again, because if i take coconut oil which contains fat soluable vitamin a, or in your case you first tried enviva vibe, and replaces the accutane in the skin cells, if the bile is still bad, then it can't be eliminated from the body, and will go back to the skin cells again? Isn't this the intahepaatic cholastasis you were talking about? Ultimately, shouldn't the bile flow be sorted first, before going with coconut oil or the eniva vibe that you used?

EDITED from previous ^^

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:27 AM

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indigo - i have 1 tablespoon straight with a tiny bit of water. I saw you mentioed you had the chinese genitan, part of the chinese bitters. Just making sure you've got this as an alcohol tincture. I've heard from a few people that liver herbs that aren't alcohol based basiclly won't work, because alcohol will carry all the herb to the liver, whereas water based tinctures tinctures, tablets struggle.

Chico - How that I see you recommend 4 tablespoons, I will up to this. Why do you recommend consuming so much?Is it for weight gain (which I do need) or is it for detox, in that it can actually remove retinoic acid? Does bile flow still need to be improved to reomve retinoic acid this way? Also, have you managed to gain weight with coconut oil, or just in any way, since after accutane (if weight gain was ever a problem for you)? Also, reading back on one of your posts regarding eniva vibe... are you saying that coconut oil works in exactly the same way? In that you get to easily absorb fat soluable vitamin a. are vitmin a and fat soluable vitamin a two diffrerent things? I'm confused again, because if i take coconut oil which contains fat soluable vitamin a, or in your case you first tried enviva vibe, and replaces the accutane in the skin cells, if the bile is still bad, then it can't be eliminated from the body, and will go back to the skin cells again? Isn't this the intahepaatic cholastasis you were talking about? Ultimately, shouldn't the bile flow be sorted first, before going with coconut oil or the eniva vibe that you used?

EDITED from previous ^^


http://www.chinesehe...roducts_id=1579 < There's the one I'm going to be trying out. I thought everything sort of goes through the liver? Maybe I'm wrong, I'm no biologist. How you getting on? I ordered a few more Coconut Oil tubs... not really sure if they'll help me (though it's obviously good for people for general health) as I don't want to put on weight. If I 'let myself go', it goes to my stomach.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 06:16 AM

Where I ordered the liver herbs from, they say alcohol is a better carrier for the ehrbs to the liver. I don't know if you have been on the website, but it's www.sensiblehealth.com. If you read her story, or the FAQ page, it mentions it there. It was in a liver book by Dr Schulze that I read that tinctures based in water or that glycerin stuff "won't work". If you are getting them in powder form then maybe that's different. But it's best to be absolutely sure that what you are buying is quality and has the best cahnce of working.

It will be 3 weeks this Thursday since taking the liver herbs, in which i must then take a 1 week break from the Chinese Bitters and GCG. I can continue to take Coptis (stimualtes bile flow) and curcuma during the break. So far the experience has been positive. I can't say anthing has dramatically cahnged since the week 1 update i did, in that my skin is les dry, lips and eyes more moist etc.... i'm certainly encouraged enough to go through bottles of this stuff over months and see how it goes. thats when i can say if this is a true answer. if i disappear from the boards over the coming weeks or not, i will definately post back a some point in the thread to post a verdict. back to the herbs i use a lot of ppeople use these herbs and the lady of there site says its a slow, but gradual process to clean the liver.


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Posted 15 August 2011 - 11:07 AM

QUOTE (jmsil @ Aug 15 2011, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where I ordered the liver herbs from, they say alcohol is a better carrier for the ehrbs to the liver. I don't know if you have been on the website, but it's www.sensiblehealth.com. If you read her story, or the FAQ page, it mentions it there. It was in a liver book by Dr Schulze that I read that tinctures based in water or that glycerin stuff "won't work". If you are getting them in powder form then maybe that's different. But it's best to be absolutely sure that what you are buying is quality and has the best cahnce of working.

It will be 3 weeks this Thursday since taking the liver herbs, in which i must then take a 1 week break from the Chinese Bitters and GCG. I can continue to take Coptis (stimualtes bile flow) and curcuma during the break. So far the experience has been positive. I can't say anthing has dramatically cahnged since the week 1 update i did, in that my skin is les dry, lips and eyes more moist etc.... i'm certainly encouraged enough to go through bottles of this stuff over months and see how it goes. thats when i can say if this is a true answer. if i disappear from the boards over the coming weeks or not, i will definately post back a some point in the thread to post a verdict. back to the herbs i use a lot of ppeople use these herbs and the lady of there site says its a slow, but gradual process to clean the liver.


Hi Man..
I've heard of the site.
She seemed to know what she was talking about. I remember she's based in Canada. I also remember you were supposed to take bitters and GCG a month prior to a flush. Right? You doing a flush? Does she advise the whole olive oil thing? Are you eating any cooked food? I just enjoyed fish and chips (ummmm... and yum). Now onto the watermelon :]

Not to get too 'graphic', but I've noticed for a while (a month or so), my stools (nice way of putting it) seem to have food in them... Like just round specs of what-not. Sorry for that - Not just telling y'all for fun. I wondered, Chico perhaps will know, is this because I'm not digesting food fully?

Nice bit of chit-chat there.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 02:57 PM

Lots of people with accutane side effects find it very difficult to gain weight, they eat and eat but never put on weight. This makes sense as problems with bile flow cause fat absorbtion to be difficult, some people post accutane have a slow bile flow, some people have zero bile flow whatsoever....the bile acid transport is completely clogged....unfortunately i'm the latter. It depends on severity, some people have worse side effects than others....some people have taken higher doses of Accutane for longer peroids of time.

Some people don't get any side effects post accutane...their livers comfortably metabolise the accutane out and bile acid transport is unaffected. Of course the higher the dose the more risk involved and it's like playing with a loaded gun. It's all dependant on whether these glucuronidated molecules clog up and downregulate bile flow or not....as soon as that happens your in trouble, the accutane cannot be removed, yet your still taking the 20-80mg dose per day unaware that somethings wrong. Until you stop the course of treatment and the side effects start coming to light.

Make no mistake the people with accutane side effects still have retinoic acid (accutane) in excess in their bodys causing hypervitaminosis A symptoms. The idea that accutane is removed in three months is true......if your liver is in fully working order and can remove the drug and the toxic metabolites. Of course if intrahepatic cholastasis has occured and the liver has gone into overload then this is not possible and the drug will stay in the body for an indefinate period until it's sorted out.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 08:32 AM

You could take l-arginine before bed to increase your sex drive. There are many more benefits to taking it, it should help with your skin as well. Studies in mice have found it to aid in collagen synthesis. When I took it I broke out on my neck which indicates it increases sebum production.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:52 AM

Indigo - It was my plan to do the liver herbs ffrom that site in preperation for the liver flush. but based on my own experience and those confirmed here, i think such a large dose of olive oil will do more harm then good, so i've decided not to do that now,., and just stick with the herbs, and take all 4 liver tinctures, including chinese bitters, continually for as long as possible.

chico - i can't thank you enough for the informaton and knowledge you have given so far. Theres not much more that can be done but to just hope some of the things you suggested work, which will take time. It is interestiong how it can effect some people and not others? I wonder if there are many famous people that have taken accutane and been effected? I read that Helen Flanagan (who plays Rosei Webser in Coronation Street) took accutane, but obviosuly had no effect on her.

For retinol food, do you recommend raw milk and raw cheese like i think you mentioned in a previous post? I'm a bit worried about taking animla based products. My very first side effect of Accutane (other then dry lips) was rosacea. I got this, or noticed this, just after a year after starting acutane. the rosacea symptms were bad for a year, but seemed to lesson, and i think that may be down to only eating vegan food. so i'm worried if eating animal based foods will flair it up again.

Also chico, eniva vibe, you specifically said you had Eniva Vibe Cardiac & Life. Did you buy this from the UK or internationally? There are a few version of Eniva Vibe and wondered what the differences are, as Eniva Vibe you an buy from the UK, but not others version such as cardiac & life. Is it worth me getting the standard eniva vibe from the uk, or getting Cardiac & Life from America instead?

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