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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:26 PM

What are you talking about? Accutane shrink the sebaceous gland, its admited, read the notice. And for the emunctory thing it's just the base of human physiology.
It's just retarded to fix an emunctory elimination of toxins by shrinking your own body instead of helping him to get rid of them. But if you want to potentially destroy your health for some button it's your choice.
Side effect affect everyone but some people are more resistant yes.
I think that the people who got the most extreme side effect was people who took antibiotics acne drug before accutane.

That wasn't exactly what you wrote though..

I havent been much out (and I mean VERY rarely) becuase of my acne, as I have had for about 7 years. Its painful for me, because I would easily have been a 9 out of 10, if not for acne.

I would love to hear your suggestions for alternative acne for life treatments, but unfortunately there is none.. :(



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:01 PM

What are you talking about? Accutane shrink the sebaceous gland, its admited, read the notice. And for the emunctory thing it's just the base of human physiology.
It's just retarded to fix an emunctory elimination of toxins by shrinking your own body instead of helping him to get rid of them. But if you want to potentially destroy your health for some button it's your choice.
Side effect affect everyone but some people are more resistant yes.
I think that the people who got the most extreme side effect was people who took antibiotics acne drug before accutane.

That wasn't exactly what you wrote though..

I havent been much out (and I mean VERY rarely) becuase of my acne, as I have had for about 7 years. Its painful for me, because I would easily have been a 9 out of 10, if not for acne.

I would love to hear your suggestions for alternative acne for life treatments, but unfortunately there is none.. sad.png

Of course we are here to heal ourselves from the poison accutane.
You have to stop dairy and gluten first (even the gluten from corn) and if that doesnt fix the problem do liver flushs (the andreas moritz one). You can try emunctory detox herbs like milk thistle.
Someone posted this video who resume well: youtube.com/watch?v=s9Pni7yRNXA
http://www.naturalne...kin_health.html


Edited by anonyy, 10 October 2013 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:42 PM

Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.

Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.
You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK. 

While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back smile.png

** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.

PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.
I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.

Great to hear this worked! Can you explain it more in a step-wise way? Did you do the liver flush for X number of days, then the kidney flush, then 7 days of isotherapy? What can and can't you eat on the isotherapy?



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:38 AM

Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.

Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.
You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK. 

While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back smile.png

** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.

PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.
I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.

Great to hear this worked! Can you explain it more in a step-wise way? Did you do the liver flush for X number of days, then the kidney flush, then 7 days of isotherapy? What can and can't you eat on the isotherapy?

I can't tell if i did it the best way but i did first one kidney flush (3week) and then 10 liver flush. the next day of the 10th flush i started the isotherapy.
I avoided dairy & gluten and took only a little bit of chicken & eggs (only cook with water to not oxyde the cholesterol). best thing is to eat only fruit & vegetables.
For the olive oil + citrus in the morning it's really your choice for the method, cause the isotherapy work for 6weeks so you can do it only 1/2 week or only with low dose everyday or every two day, i took a dose who doesnt cause fatigue for me.
For the calcium-d-glucarate it's better to only take 500mg 2 or 3times i think, when i took more i was a little bit tired.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:21 AM

Guys, I know there are 187 pages of posts at this point, but please stop asking the same questions over and over again.

 

This thread is littered with answers and symptoms and stories and a list of what works and what doesn't (Spoiler alert: diet works 99% of the time).

 

Try reading before you post more questions, and any questions in reference to what someone else posted can either be directly quoted here or you can PM the author.

 

Thanks



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

It's been a while y'all.

How's things?

Anybody made progress?

 

My plan:

 

Lost of rest - mentally and physically.

No more porn.

I'm not convinced that the sexual dysfunction is linked to Accutane anymore.

There's a bunch of guys (young and old) who can't 'perform' in the bedroom with a girl because they've fucked up/de-sensitized their mind with porn.

Also, on the topic of sex, I'm quitting masterbation unless I have a strong urge to erm, beat my meat.

Or jack my beanstalk (I made that one up myself).

 

With all this recovery, half the battle is mental.

I've learned a lot.

Breathing deeply and allowing yourself to relax helps. 

Stress can't be avoided so you have to allow yourself the opportunity to recover, especially with the added worries some of us have had.

Leaving this forum helped me a lot and I barely talk about Accutane anymore.

Because it's boring.. Boring as shit. And nobody else gives a fuck.

So stop going on about it.

Doesn't matter what happened because you can't change it.

Just treat this like any health problem - Give your body the best chance to heal, with good food, good lifestyle choices and make sure to rest when you're tired rather than argue 'I shouldn't be tired this early/this much. I'm only 20', or whatever.

 

A couple of years ago I was terrified my hair would all turn grey/fall out.

I was scared things would get worse.

Those fears weren't based around facts... just delusions.

Sure.. this drug fucks you up, but I believe we can recover.

 

Look into 'No Fap' if you're someone who can't get turned on without the stimulation of porn. No Fap actually means no Masturbation too.

Like I said, I'm going to give that a break until my body tells me it's up for it.

A bunch of guys have said there depression/social anxiety and other issues dissolved with No Fap.

Sorry if this seems very random and incoherent after not posting for such a long time, but this is where I'm at right now.

 

I broke up with my girlfriend about 11 weeks ago (I think) and it's given me the opportunity to better myself and look at my problems objectively.

I'm going to kick these problems out of my life for good this time.

 

Love y'all x


Edited by IndigoRush, 12 October 2013 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:53 PM

Hey IndigoRush , it's good your making progress , over the years I have come to realize that it's all about symptom management , to be frank that is what it is nothing more nothing less , detox  this try that try this etc etc......in the end it is symptom management . And making the best of the situation at hand.

It's been a while y'all.

How's things?

Anybody made progress?

 

My plan:

 

Lost of rest - mentally and physically.

No more porn.

I'm not convinced that the sexual dysfunction is linked to Accutane anymore.

There's a bunch of guys (young and old) who can't 'perform' in the bedroom with a girl because they've fucked up/de-sensitized their mind with porn.

Also, on the topic of sex, I'm quitting masterbation unless I have a strong urge to erm, beat my meat.

Or jack my beanstalk (I made that one up myself).

 

With all this recovery, half the battle is mental.

I've learned a lot.

Breathing deeply and allowing yourself to relax helps. 

Stress can't be avoided so you have to allow yourself the opportunity to recover, especially with the added worries some of us have had.

Leaving this forum helped me a lot and I barely talk about Accutane anymore.

Because it's boring.. Boring as shit. And nobody else gives a fuck.

So stop going on about it.

Doesn't matter what happened because you can't change it.

Just treat this like any health problem - Give your body the best chance to heal, with good food, good lifestyle choices and make sure to rest when you're tired rather than argue 'I shouldn't be tired this early/this much. I'm only 20', or whatever.

 

A couple of years ago I was terrified my hair would all turn grey/fall out.

I was scared things would get worse.

Those fears weren't based around facts... just delusions.

Sure.. this drug fucks you up, but I believe we can recover.

 

Look into 'No Fap' if you're someone who can't get turned on without the stimulation of porn. No Fap actually means no Masturbation too.

Like I said, I'm going to give that a break until my body tells me it's up for it.

A bunch of guys have said there depression/social anxiety and other issues dissolved with No Fap.

Sorry if this seems very random and incoherent after not posting for such a long time, but this is where I'm at right now.

 

I broke up with my girlfriend about 11 weeks ago (I think) and it's given me the opportunity to better myself and look at my problems objectively.

I'm going to kick these problems out of my life for good this time.

 

Love y'all x


Edited by Gladiatoro, 12 October 2013 - 06:55 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 02:54 AM

After reading a lot about sauna therapy I have implemented my own form of sauna therapy combined with daily excercise. There exists quite a bit of research in this field, there is even a study from a renowned american university where they were able to heal people from chronic fatigue syndrom. The protocol they used was 6 weeks straight of daily saunas followed by 1-2 sessions per week for another 6 month. 

 

A quick look a wikipedia already gives a lot of insights in the potential benefits:

 

Sauna has been found to cause a rise in the stress hormones adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), cortisoladrenaline, and noradrenaline due to hyperthermic stress on the body. Cortisol remains high even after 30 minutes of rest.[42] Sauna also found to reduce prostaglandin F2alpha and protect against oxidative stress. It enhances activation of monocytes to bacteria and endotoxins.[43]

Aggregate (uncorrected) risk of death can estimated to be 10−7 per visit in Finland. In essentially all cases, the victim had diabetes, a heart condition or other serious chronic disease. More than 50% were men over the age of 50, and 30% were over 70; furthermore, most often the victims were intoxicated.[44]

Sauna plus multidisciplinary treatment may reduce chronic pain more effectively than multidisciplinary treatment alone. Sauna reduces chronic pain more effectively than cognitive behaviour therapy. It is indicated for rheumatic pain (with cold shower) but not for neuropathic pain.[45] Is effective for appetite loss and mild depression.[46] Indicated in reducing symptoms in chronic fatigue syndrome,[47][48] and rheumatoid arthritis,[49] and indicated for anorexia nervosa.[50] Sauna has been proposed for treatment of other conditions glaucoma,[51] Sjogren syndrome,[52] chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia,[53] anorexia nervosa, obstructive lung disease,[54] recuperation after childbirth, and also for lifestyle related diseases of, diabetesarteriosclerosisobesityhypertension,hyperlipidemiaatherosclerosis and smoking induced symptoms.[55]

Many of the sauna therapeutic trials used a regular schedule of at least 5 days a week and often daily for one to three months, then several times a week for extended periods.[47][56][57]

In some countries the local gymnasium is usually the closest and most convenient and some pool, major sport, or even resort complexes also contain a sauna. Therapeutic Sauna is often carried out in conjunction with physiotherapy or hydrotherapy, gentle exercises within the capability of the person without exacerbating symptoms.[58][59][60]   

http://en.wikipedia....ks_and_benefits

 

Saunas are used to eliminate environmental toxins that have accumulated in the sytem, stimulate the immunesystem, increase blood circulation, body temperature rises etc. They have been used in some shape or form in pretty much all parts of the world. 

 

I have been doing daily saunas, in the early morning after working out at my gym for the past week, I am the first guy at the gym. I work out and sauna pretty much on an empty stomach, just eating fruit and nuts before going to the gym and drinking water. I followed this programm for an entire 2 weeks before and saw improvements in all of my symtoms. This time around even my eyesight has improved.

 

I usually go for 2 - 3 sauna sessions daily each 8-12 minutes followed by a cold shower and a rest intervall. When I am short on time I do just one extended session of 15 minutes to keep my body temperature up. I stay on the lowest bench (60-70°C) as recommended to people who are overburdened with toxins.

 

If you are not in great shape working out daily and doing saunas can really tax your system initially until your body adjusts. You will experience a permanently raised body temperature pretty much as long as you do these sessions daily. Research has shown that the raised body temperature is sustained for 6 hours after just one 15 min session (http://www.degruyter...-012-0042-6.xml).

 

I sustain it longer, but I do more than one session plus exercise which also raises body temperature. I think the raised body temperature is key to trigger healing, for instance a former sore and inflamed spot of my skin that had kind of cooled down and grown in but not healed up opened up again and healed up within a few days when I did the 2 weeks of daily sauna sessions last time.

 

Some people will be like, oh daily saunas that is dangerous. I did my research, to state just one fact: many people in Finnland or Korea do daily saunas. 

 

Doing saunas and working out really gets your metabolism and the body fluids pumping.


Edited by Undergroundwellness, 13 October 2013 - 03:14 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:17 AM

I've read that less than 90°C is not effective for detoxification.
I've already said it but, for those who still have the side effects of accutane, try the isotherapy after doing some liver flush (7-10), it really work. After the accutane isotherapy i've done an isotherapy for the two antibiotics i took before it (minocycline & doxycycline), it have helped a lot too. I truely can say now that i'm totally fixed from all of the symptoms.


Some quote about mental and diseases:
 

"Do not repulse the issue, refuse it, as if we do not accept responsibility or we will create subconscious impulses and sends a signal to the body not to send "healing agents" of oxygen, blood flow in the impacted areas."

“All thoughts and feelings are instantly translated into biochemical compounds within the brain and within every other part of the body, thereby altering physical appearance and performance. In fact, every bit of mental activity leaves us with a specific physical sensation, known as emotion. Emotions are composites of both mental impulses and physical changes, and they express the totality of one’s health at any given time.

Carefully controlled studies have shown that you can reduce your biological age by 10-15 years within ten days, provided your interpretation of your life experience undergoes rapid and positive changes. By contrast, you can also put on 20 extra years within a single day if you enter a state of hopelessness and depression. Hormones produce extremely powerful effects, both in a positive and negative sense. Yet even more powerful than hormones are the thoughts and intentions that trigger them.
New brain research has even gone so far as to claim that whether we heal, or don’t heal, from a disease has nothing at all to do with taking medications, but is entirely due to a patient’s ‘expectation’.i So far, medical treatment was believed to be the only determining factor behind the cure or recovery from a particular disease. This new research completely invalidates that theory. So what can you do with this information?”

“I wish to mention at this point that according to dozens of scientific studies, secretions of the DNA’s powerful anticancer hormone, interleukin II, drop under physical and mental duress and increase again when the person becomes relaxed and joyful. The research data clearly reveals the mechanism whereby the central nervous system modulates gene expression and the immune response during psychological stress. Thus, stress has been shown to lower secretions of Interleukin II and thereby increase the incidence of cancer in the body; on the other hand, normal secretion of this hormone keeps cancer at bay. The same has been shown with regard to Interferon, another very powerful hormone that cells secrete to remain cancer-free. This further proves that stress can afflict wounds and by interfering with the hormone-secreting ability of cells allow the body’s wound healing program, that is, cancer, do its life-saving work.”


Edited by anonyy, 13 October 2013 - 04:23 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:36 AM

I've read that less than 90°C is not effective for detoxification.
I've already said it but, for those who still have the side effects of accutane, try the isotherapy after doing some liver flush (7-10), it really work. After the accutane isotherapy i've done an isotherapy for the two antibiotics i took before it (minocycline & doxycycline), it have helped a lot too. I truely can say now that i'm totally fixed from all of the symptoms.

 

I have read a couple of books lately which touched in detail on how the topic of detox and they always recommended saunas with temperatures of 60-70°C, check what Mark Hyman or Terry Grossman write on the topic. This is also the temerpature used in most studies and coincides with my own experience. The sauna I go to has a temperature of 90 to 95 ° C on the top level. Initially I started out on the top bench and I would frequently get sick after visiting the sauna, or feel devastated for longer periods of time after having visited the sauna. I have not had any problems eversince switching to the lower level where the temperature is far lower.

 

I have done liver flushing in the past and it has helped me a great deal. I will start flushing again before the year is over. Most people are very wary of liver flushing until they have tried it. They are willing to try dangerous drugs before trying flushing it is ridiculous. By the way I would assume that liver flushing also speeds up the metabolism of the organs, as EPSOM salt stimulates blood circulation and raises body temperature when bathing in it.


Edited by Undergroundwellness, 13 October 2013 - 04:36 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:43 AM

I've read that less than 90°C is not effective for detoxification.
I've already said it but, for those who still have the side effects of accutane, try the isotherapy after doing some liver flush (7-10), it really work. After the accutane isotherapy i've done an isotherapy for the two antibiotics i took before it (minocycline & doxycycline), it have helped a lot too. I truely can say now that i'm totally fixed from all of the symptoms.

 

I have read a couple of books lately which touched in detail on how the topic of detox and they always recommended saunas with temperatures of 60-70°C, check what Mark Hyman or Terry Grossman write on the topic. This is also the temerpature used in most studies and coincides with my own experience. The sauna I go to has a temperature of 90 to 95 ° C on the top level. Initially I started out on the top bench and I would frequently get sick after visiting the sauna, or feel devastated for longer periods of time after having visited the sauna. I have not had any problems eversince switching to the lower level where the temperature is far lower.

 

I have done liver flushing in the past and it has helped me a great deal. I will start flushing again before the year is over. Most people are very wary of liver flushing until they have tried it. They are willing to try dangerous drugs before trying flushing it is ridiculous. By the way I would assume that liver flushing also speeds up the metabolism of the organs, as EPSOM salt stimulates blood circulation and raises body temperature when bathing in it.

Indigor Rush took saunas as I remember but the chronic systemic dehydration persisted ,I bought a infared sauna and proceeded to use it I  years ago and it was too hot and I think I was in there too long and I felt sick for a while after it was like a re-activation of symptoms for me so I would suggest CAUTION with saunas especially infared ones as they penetrate the skin 3 inches . Lower temperatures yes , less time in the sauna if it helps you great but like I said go easy on it. One Derm I read described Isotretinoin for what it  is a controlled POISONING , that is in FACT what it truely is.

 

It's a  CUT , POISON , BURN  approach typical allopathic medicine , like I said symptom management and until you guys realize this there wil be no progress made on this forum , some things help yes but it is what it is a CHRONIC CONDITION .


Edited by Gladiatoro, 13 October 2013 - 08:26 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

Well, I don't use infrared sauna, I use a regular finnish sauna. From what I have read there exist different kinds of infrared systems, but I am not familiar with the use of infrared sauna and probably would not do it unless supervised by a doc.

 

At the same time as I started sauna, I began treating my skin almost daily with a mix of olive oil (80%) and a facial skincare cream for infants (20%). The immediate result - within 5 days - was normalised hydration of the skin, you know it is glowing, like it is supposed to be. However, it is too early to tell whether these effects will sustain after decreasing the frequency of the sauna use and application of skincare products/olive oil.

 

From what I have read regular russian/finnish saunas have been used in the mining industry before our time to detox miners from the exposure to heavy metals, definitely worth a try.



 

I've read that less than 90°C is not effective for detoxification.
I've already said it but, for those who still have the side effects of accutane, try the isotherapy after doing some liver flush (7-10), it really work. After the accutane isotherapy i've done an isotherapy for the two antibiotics i took before it (minocycline & doxycycline), it have helped a lot too. I truely can say now that i'm totally fixed from all of the symptoms.

 

I have read a couple of books lately which touched in detail on how the topic of detox and they always recommended saunas with temperatures of 60-70°C, check what Mark Hyman or Terry Grossman write on the topic. This is also the temerpature used in most studies and coincides with my own experience. The sauna I go to has a temperature of 90 to 95 ° C on the top level. Initially I started out on the top bench and I would frequently get sick after visiting the sauna, or feel devastated for longer periods of time after having visited the sauna. I have not had any problems eversince switching to the lower level where the temperature is far lower.

 

I have done liver flushing in the past and it has helped me a great deal. I will start flushing again before the year is over. Most people are very wary of liver flushing until they have tried it. They are willing to try dangerous drugs before trying flushing it is ridiculous. By the way I would assume that liver flushing also speeds up the metabolism of the organs, as EPSOM salt stimulates blood circulation and raises body temperature when bathing in it.

Indigor Rush took saunas as I remember but the chronic systemic dehydration persisted ,I bought a infared sauna and proceeded to use it I  years ago and it was too hot and I think I was in there too long and I felt sick for a while after it was like a re-activation of symptoms for me so I would suggest CAUTION with saunas especially infared ones as they penetrate the skin 3 inches . Lower temperatures yes , less time in the sauna if it helps you great but like I said go easy on it. One Derm I read described Isotretinoin for what it  is a controlled POISONING , that is in FACT what it truely is.

 

It's a  CUT , POISON , BURN  approach typical allopathic medicine , like I said symptom management and until you guys realize this there wil be no progress made on this forum , some things help yes but it is what it is a CHRONIC CONDITION .

 

Indigo had some sauna kit to use at home, it looked very suspicious to me. I really can't see how you can properly take saunas without using a wooden cabin.

 

Also do you remember a single thing that worked for Indigo? I recall that nothing worked for him the slightest.


Edited by Undergroundwellness, 13 October 2013 - 12:46 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:47 PM

Well, I don't use infrared sauna, I use a regular Finnish sauna. From what I have read there exist different kinds of infrared systems, but I am not familiar with the use of infrared sauna and probably would not do it unless supervised by a doc.

 

At the same time as I started sauna, I began treating my skin almost daily with a mix of olive oil (80%) and a facial skincare cream for infants (20%). The immediate result - within 5 days - was normalized hydration of the skin, you know it is glowing, like it is supposed to be. However, it is too early to tell whether these effects will sustain after decreasing the frequency of the sauna use and application of skincare products/olive oil.

 

From what I have read regular Russian/Finnish saunas have been used in the mining industry before our time to detox miners from the exposure to heavy metals, definitely worth a try.



 

 

I've read that less than 90°C is not effective for detoxification.
I've already said it but, for those who still have the side effects of accutane, try the isotherapy after doing some liver flush (7-10), it really work. After the accutane isotherapy i've done an isotherapy for the two antibiotics i took before it (minocycline & doxycycline), it have helped a lot too. I truely can say now that I'm totally fixed from all of the symptoms.

 

I have read a couple of books lately which touched in detail on how the topic of detox and they always recommended saunas with temperatures of 60-70°C, check what Mark Hyman or Terry Grossman write on the topic. This is also the temperature used in most studies and coincides with my own experience. The sauna I go to has a temperature of 90 to 95 ° C on the top level. Initially I started out on the top bench and I would frequently get sick after visiting the sauna, or feel devastated for longer periods of time after having visited the sauna. I have not had any problems ever since switching to the lower level where the temperature is far lower.

 

I have done liver flushing in the past and it has helped me a great deal. I will start flushing again before the year is over. Most people are very wary of liver flushing until they have tried it. They are willing to try dangerous drugs before trying flushing it is ridiculous. By the way I would assume that liver flushing also speeds up the metabolism of the organs, as EPSOM salt stimulates blood circulation and raises body temperature when bathing in it.

Indigor Rush took saunas as I remember but the chronic systemic dehydration persisted ,I bought a infared sauna and proceeded to use it I  years ago and it was too hot and I think I was in there too long and I felt sick for a while after it was like a re-activation of symptoms for me so I would suggest CAUTION with saunas especially infared ones as they penetrate the skin 3 inches . Lower temperatures yes , less time in the sauna if it helps you great but like I said go easy on it. One Derm I read described Isotretinoin for what it  is a controlled POISONING , that is in FACT what it truly is.

 

It's a  CUT , POISON , BURN  approach typical allopathic medicine , like I said symptom management and until you guys realize this there wil be no progress made on this forum , some things help yes but it is what it is a CHRONIC CONDITION .

 

Indigo had some sauna kit to use at home, it looked very suspicious to me. I really can't see how you can properly take saunas without using a wooden cabin.

 

Also do you remember a single thing that worked for Indigo? I recall that nothing worked for him the slightest.

Definitely stay away from infared saunas I gave mine to my brother after spending 3 k on it , it is way too potent a Russian/finish sauna is different it is used with a moisture application usually pored on the coals or something to that order I can see benefits there , when I work in the sun I have no problems with sweating etc..

 

But again use caution excessive heat may detox too much and cause problems. Your right nothing worked for indigo as I recall in fact like me I tried a few

things like stinging nettle/saw palmetto and found it to be of negative consequences , what does work to is plenty of rest , no alcohol and a balanced diet not overloaded with carbs and junk food. Sadly some of these herbal mixtures are actually detrimental to us dht blockers / anti androgens best to stay clear of.

 

I have a friend who is from Finland there they use saunas all the time he built his own he knows how obviously it's a steam style may be worth looking into.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 02:55 PM

Well, I don't use infrared sauna, I use a regular Finnish sauna. From what I have read there exist different kinds of infrared systems, but I am not familiar with the use of infrared sauna and probably would not do it unless supervised by a doc.

 

At the same time as I started sauna, I began treating my skin almost daily with a mix of olive oil (80%) and a facial skincare cream for infants (20%). The immediate result - within 5 days - was normalized hydration of the skin, you know it is glowing, like it is supposed to be. However, it is too early to tell whether these effects will sustain after decreasing the frequency of the sauna use and application of skincare products/olive oil.

 

From what I have read regular Russian/Finnish saunas have been used in the mining industry before our time to detox miners from the exposure to heavy metals, definitely worth a try.



 

 

I've read that less than 90°C is not effective for detoxification.
I've already said it but, for those who still have the side effects of accutane, try the isotherapy after doing some liver flush (7-10), it really work. After the accutane isotherapy i've done an isotherapy for the two antibiotics i took before it (minocycline & doxycycline), it have helped a lot too. I truely can say now that I'm totally fixed from all of the symptoms.

 

I have read a couple of books lately which touched in detail on how the topic of detox and they always recommended saunas with temperatures of 60-70°C, check what Mark Hyman or Terry Grossman write on the topic. This is also the temperature used in most studies and coincides with my own experience. The sauna I go to has a temperature of 90 to 95 ° C on the top level. Initially I started out on the top bench and I would frequently get sick after visiting the sauna, or feel devastated for longer periods of time after having visited the sauna. I have not had any problems ever since switching to the lower level where the temperature is far lower.

 

I have done liver flushing in the past and it has helped me a great deal. I will start flushing again before the year is over. Most people are very wary of liver flushing until they have tried it. They are willing to try dangerous drugs before trying flushing it is ridiculous. By the way I would assume that liver flushing also speeds up the metabolism of the organs, as EPSOM salt stimulates blood circulation and raises body temperature when bathing in it.

Indigor Rush took saunas as I remember but the chronic systemic dehydration persisted ,I bought a infared sauna and proceeded to use it I  years ago and it was too hot and I think I was in there too long and I felt sick for a while after it was like a re-activation of symptoms for me so I would suggest CAUTION with saunas especially infared ones as they penetrate the skin 3 inches . Lower temperatures yes , less time in the sauna if it helps you great but like I said go easy on it. One Derm I read described Isotretinoin for what it  is a controlled POISONING , that is in FACT what it truly is.

 

It's a  CUT , POISON , BURN  approach typical allopathic medicine , like I said symptom management and until you guys realize this there wil be no progress made on this forum , some things help yes but it is what it is a CHRONIC CONDITION .

 

Indigo had some sauna kit to use at home, it looked very suspicious to me. I really can't see how you can properly take saunas without using a wooden cabin.

 

Also do you remember a single thing that worked for Indigo? I recall that nothing worked for him the slightest.

Definitely stay away from infared saunas I gave mine to my brother after spending 3 k on it , it is way too potent a Russian/finish sauna is different it is used with a moisture application usually pored on the coals or something to that order I can see benefits there , when I work in the sun I have no problems with sweating etc..

 

But again use caution excessive heat may detox too much and cause problems. Your right nothing worked for indigo as I recall in fact like me I tried a few

things like stinging nettle/saw palmetto and found it to be of negative consequences , what does work to is plenty of rest , no alcohol and a balanced diet not overloaded with carbs and junk food. Sadly some of these herbal mixtures are actually detrimental to us dht blockers / anti androgens best to stay clear of.

 

I have a friend who is from Finland there they use saunas all the time he built his own he knows how obviously it's a steam style may be worth looking into.

 

Where I am from saunas are very popular too. Let me tell you the finnish sauna is a dry sauna actually, but read up on it yourself on wikipedia. 



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 06:02 PM

Acutally a Traditional Finnish Sauna can be used wet or dry and I don't read wikipedia it is very biased. But check out my link. (=

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:53 AM

I know, here it is used mostly dry, every 30 to 60 minutes they pour something over the rocks to generate steam and the sensation of heat, but it drys up quickly.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:37 AM

Be very careful with Saunas.  

Our bodies are already dehydrated.  The heat from Saunas can dry you out even more.  Normally, you can replenish by drinking tons of water.  But our cells can't seem to hold water as well as before.  Whatever we drink, we pee right out. 

 

Also, the heat my further exacerbate inflammation and cause further problems with your stomach mucous membrane.  

 

Exercise is still the best way.

 

 

I know, here it used mostly dry, every 30 to 60 minutes they pour something over the rocks to generate steam and the sensation of heat, but it drys up quickly.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:38 AM

I know there are considerable differences between the sweating caused by exercise and sauna, but none of you guys has tried it hardcore like I have, but everybody is like be careful.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:17 AM

I tried it for a week.  When to my local gym.  15 mins of exercise followed by 10 mins in the Sauna.  

 

Always had a burning sensation with my stomach while in the Sauna.  Eyes also became blood red.  All these lasted for a few days after the last sauna session.    

 

Could just be my personal experience though.  

 

 

 

 

I know there are considerable differences between the sweating caused by exercise and sauna, but none of you guys has tried it hardcore like I have, but everybody is like be careful.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 01:05 PM

I tried it for a week.  When to my local gym.  15 mins of exercise followed by 10 mins in the Sauna.  

 

Always had a burning sensation with my stomach while in the Sauna.  Eyes also became blood red.  All these lasted for a few days after the last sauna session.    

 

Could just be my personal experience though.  

 

 

 

 

I know there are considerable differences between the sweating caused by exercise and sauna, but none of you guys has tried it hardcore like I have, but everybody is like be careful.

 

Well, Ok then I take that back. The sauna must have been to hot for, as I said before I have read time and time again that if you have a toxic laden body you got to stick to low temperatures of around 60 degrees celcius. If you have trouble getting used to going to the sauna make also make sure that you lie down while staying in the sauna, so that your whole body is exposed to the same temperature.

 

My eyes also become bloodshot, but it has lessened over time considerably. With me the blodshot eyes fade within 15 minutes or so after I leave the sauna.






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