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Posted 29 September 2013 - 03:40 PM

Hi,

i've too been poisoned by roaccutane 6 years ago.

the only thing that helped me to recover was:

-liver and kidney cleanse by andreas moritz or dr clark (10 liver flush & 2 kidney flush)

-diet change, no sugar, rock table salt, no red meat, grains, etc.. and eat lot of fruits.

-kefir & probiotics (who contain L.rhamnosus, B.longum, B.lactis, L.acidophilus & L.plantarum)

-red ice skate liver oil & synphonat klamath

-linseed oil

-butyric acid from olive oil (regenerate mucoca)

-coconut oil

-hyaluronic acid

-lot of sun exposure

-lot of exercice

-without medecinal purpose (they kinda poisoned me, but maybe they've done some good things): i've eat heated cannabis with oil and i've poisoned myself with MMS gas (jim humble) while mixing ingredients.

I've see people who healed themselves with isopathy, i will try it soon to fix the remaining accutane effects.
Good kombucha contain a lot of glucuronic acid & glucaric acid who can help detoxification.


This superfood seems powerful: http://www.naturalcu...ancer-with.html

Wheatgrass and DNA Repair
Dr. Yasuo Hotta, a biologist al the University of California at San Diego, has isolated another compound from young grasses. Provisionally named PDI, this substance has shown the ability to stimulate the production and natural repair of human reproductive sperm cells and DNA. Dr. Hotta tested reproductive cells rather than somatic cells (the ones that makeup body tissues) because of their remarkable ability to repair damaged DNA, thus ensuring the health of the newborn. The experiment consisted of firs I damaging one group of spermatocytes with X-radiation and administering a toxic chemical to another group. Some of the damaged cells from each group were then allowed to recover on their own, and others were given PDI. When the cells were incubated under normal controlled conditions, the added extract increased the number of cells repaired and the speed at which the repairs took place.

 

This is the kind of kidney cleanse you did? If so where did you get all the herbs and stuff, you are from Europe too right?

 

The Kidney Cleanse

It takes a lot of liquid to "wash" the inside of your body. Taking it in the form of herbal teas gives you extra benefits. And extra enjoyment if you learn to make them with variations - especially if you need to produce a gallon of urine a day!

Any edema or "water holding", whether in lungs, arms, or abdomen, also requires strengthening of kidneys with this recipe.

When kidneys or bladder are actually involved in the cancer, gradually increase the dose to double the regular amounts. Be sure to start just as slowly though to avoid feeling pressure in the bladder. You will need:

  • Half a cup dried hydrangea root (Hydrangea arborescens)
  • Half a cup gravel root (Eupatorium purpureum)
  • Half a cup marshmallow root (Althea officinallis)
  • Black Cherry Concentrate, 8 oz. [twice]
  • Pinch vitamin B2 powder
  • 4 bunches of fresh parsley (obtained at supermarket) [a bunch at stems is about 2 inches]
  • Goldenrod tincture (leave out of the recipe if you are allergic to it)
  • Ginger
  • Uva Ursi
  • Vitamin B6, 250mg caps
  • Magnesium oxide, 300mg caps
  • HCl drops (Hydrocloric Acid)
  • Sweetening (optional)
Previous versions of this recipe included vegetable glycerine. Recently I have been unable to find a source free from asbestos and silicone. Omit it.

Measure 1/4 (one fourth) cup of each root [half of the roots] and set them to soak, together in 10 cups of cold tap water, using a non-metal container and a non-metal lid (a dinner plate will do). Add vitamin B2 powder. After four hours (or overnight), heat to boiling and simmer for 20 minutes. Add black cherry concentrate [8oz.] and bring back to boiling. Pour through a bamboo or plastic strainer into glass jar. Drink 3/4 (three fourths) cup by sipping slowly throughout the day (stir in two drops HCl first). Refrigerate half to use this week, and freeze the other half for next week.

Other versions of this recipe allowed reboiling the roots when you have finished your first batch. Although this saves a few dollars, advanced cancer sufferers should use new roots each time. You need to do the kidney cleanse for six weeks to get good results, longer for severe problems.

Find fresh parsley at a grocery store. Soak it in HCl-water (1 drop per cup) with a pinch of vitamin B2 in it for 2 minutes. Drain. Cover with [2 pints of] water and boil for 1 minute. Drain into glass jars. When cool enough, pour yourself 1/2 (half) cup. Add 2 drops HCl. Sip slowly or add to your root potion. Refrigerate a pint and freeze 1 pint. Throw away the parsley. Always add HCl at point of consuming even after pre-sterilizing.

Dose: Each morning, pour together 3/4 (three fourths) cup of the root mixture and 1/2 (half) cup parsley water, filling a large mug. Add 20 drops of goldenrod tincture and any spice, such as nutmeg, cinnamon, etc. Then add a pinch of B2 and 4 drops HCl to sterilize. Drink this mixture in divided doses throughout the day. Keep it cold. Do not drink it all at once or you will get a stomach ache and feel pressure in your bladder. If your stomach is very sensitive, start on half the dose.

  • Also take:
    • Ginger capsules: one with each meal (3/day) (3 per day).
    • Uva Ursi: one capsule in the morning and 2 capsules in the evening.
    • Vitamin B6 (250mg): one a day.
    • Magnesium oxide (300mg): one a day.

    Take these supplements just before your meal to avoid burping. You do not need to duplicate the B6 and magnesium doses if you are already on them.

    Some notes on this recipe: This herbal tea, as well as the parsley, can easily spoil. Reheat to boiling every third day if it Is being stored in the refrigerator. Add HCl drops just before drinking. If you sterilize it in the morning you may take it to work without refrigerating it (use a glass container).

    When you order your herbs, be careful! Herb companies are not the same! These roots should have a strong fragrance. If the ones you buy are barely fragrant, they have lost their active ingredients; switch to a different supplier. Fresh roots can be used. Do not use powder.

    From "The Cure for All Advanced Cancers", page 560.

http://curezone.com/clark/kidney.asp

Edited by Undergroundwellness, 29 September 2013 - 03:42 PM.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 03:54 PM

Yes it seems like this one. It's the Dr. clark one. There is a french website who sell clark recipes but it's kinda scam it cost much more than it should be.
An other kidney cleanse who is much more easier is the moritz one (found it at andreas-moritz*eu) + add the parsley of clark method.


Edited by anonyy, 29 September 2013 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:40 PM

Hi Anonyy great to hear that somebody is finally to get rid of accutane.. Can you please share us with your complete experience in simple terms?

1. How much accutane you took and for how long ?
2. What were the side effects that you suffered?
3. When did u started doing liver/kidneycleanse and hopefully some instruction on how you did it ?
4. How did you follow the isotherapy in detail?
5. How do measure success of removal ? Your side effects were removed.
6. How much time it took for u for complete process?

I believe if you can share your success it will definitely help all of us here



Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.
Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK. 
While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back :)
** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.
PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.
I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:44 PM

I'm aware that it's synthetic, but it still acts very similarly to vitamin A.  That probably explains the effect it has on me.  I would put myself on the more severe end.  Massive joint pain, awfully dry skin, barely able to have a bowel movement, etc. before finding iodine.  Something thyroid going on there, but like I've said before, iodine helps cells retain moisture, so any of you still dealing with lingering joint pain, try the iodine.  I did it more for my joints than anything else.  For bowel health digestive enzymes is a MUST since many of us due to the dryness cannot make the enzymes to break down certain types of food...hence why when we eat a LOT of carbs, and a LOT of sugar we feel like shit, ya dig? I have a ton of knowledge about this thing, but the whole vitamin A thing is still a god awful big black hole. I'm going to keep trucking though.  Glad you guys are doing well for the most part smile.png

The joint pain must suck , i've been there  I used to have severe back pain it nearly incapacitated me I could barely go to work , at that time I went to the my allopathic (orthodox)doc and he prescribed me all kinds of powerfull narcotics , no thanks , so I started to improve my diet and for me even drinking once a week (beer) was the trigger , it seems to always come back to the damn beer sadly so since I enjoy the odd beer ,  anyways I cut that way down and my back pain got WAY WAY better to the point where it's pretty much gone now , what a relieve plus I was taking BAXYL( liquid hyaluronic acid ) and it helped for the systemic dehydration we all suffer from , that really did help for the back pain I still take it once in a while when my back flairs up especially when there is weather changes but for the most part I'm curred of joint pain .

 

 

Yeah if I overload on carbs I tend to have no energy for the rest of the day  again a better diet mixed with fruit and vegetables makes a big difference for me .  You know bone broth soup is suposed to be really good for joint pain , that's what I heared anyways , it's loaded with natural hyaluronic acid among other things.  (=

 

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:34 PM

Hi Anonyy great to hear that somebody is finally to get rid of accutane.. Can you please share us with your complete experience in simple terms?

1. How much accutane you took and for how long ?
2. What were the side effects that you suffered?
3. When did u started doing liver/kidneycleanse and hopefully some instruction on how you did it ?
4. How did you follow the isotherapy in detail?
5. How do measure success of removal ? Your side effects were removed.
6. How much time it took for u for complete process?

I believe if you can share your success it will definitely help all of us here


 

Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.
Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK. 
While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back smile.png
** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.
PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.
I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.


 


It was 20 or 30mg per day i don't remember, for 7 month.

The most severe side effect i had was psychological (depression, lost the sense of reality, impression like life isn't real, memory loss), extreme fatigue, joint problem, eyes & skin extreme dryness, libido & sensation loss, intestine inflammation. When i was under accutane i had for months crusted skin on my backhand

I started the kidney cleanse for 3weeks 1year ago precisely and then i did 10 liver flush before the isotherapy. It was the dr clark method for the kidney cleanse, the one linked previously at curezone.

How i followed the isotherapy is quite simple, i took it like i said day 1 3 5 7 in the morning and the last one before sleep, during and 3weeks+ after i've eat no grains and only a little bit of chicken but a lot of fruits & veggies. I took calcium d glucarate & kombucha to enhance the excretion & prevent reabsorption. Each morning i've eat some fruits, then 15min after took a mix of charcoal, bentonite & psyllium followed (30min after) by a mix of 20-30ml of olive oil with 20-30ml of lemon juice. I add cascara sagrada & magnesium oxide if transit too slow.
Before the isotherpay i've expose myself to the sun for hours too to get enough vitamin D. I've took beta-carotene and red ice skate liver oil (not at the same time) before & between the first liver flush (and before the isotherapy).

How i mesure the success i will say for now it's really impressive, it's like everything come back to normal, the joint become stronger, the skin is more thick & able to sweat again, mentaly i have "brighter" and more feelings, emotions, memory come back, etc.. and i find orgasm & sexual desire a lot more powerful than usual too.

I'll say 1year to do all of it. But it can be reduced to 8month maybe.


Edited by anonyy, 01 October 2013 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 08:28 PM

Isotretinoin (Accutane) -- Accutane, a strong medication used for severe acne, can cause liver problems, as measured by a blood test, as well as high cholesterol and muscle pain and weakness. These symptoms are like those seen with carnitine deficiency. Researchers in Greece showed that a large group of people who had side effects from Accutane got better when taking L-carnitine compared to those who took a placebo.
 
Source: Carnitine (L-carnitine) | University of Maryland Medical Center http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/carnitine-lcarnitine#ixzz2gKxu9TVS 
University of Maryland Medical Center 
 
have you guys looked into this? I know indigorush said he took acetyl l carnitine which is not the same thing.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 08:51 PM

Isotretinoin (Accutane) -- Accutane, a strong medication used for severe acne, can cause liver problems, as measured by a blood test, as well as high cholesterol and muscle pain and weakness. These symptoms are like those seen with carnitine deficiency. Researchers in Greece showed that a large group of people who had side effects from Accutane got better when taking L-carnitine compared to those who took a placebo.
 
Source: Carnitine (L-carnitine) | University of Maryland Medical Center http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/carnitine-lcarnitine#ixzz2gKxu9TVS 
University of Maryland Medical Center 
 
have you guys looked into this? I know indigorush said he took acetyl l carnitine which is not the same thing.

I know from the past there are a few suffers who had success with L-Carnitine. In facet I think there were a few studies on Accutane and depletion of L-Car. Many people with low thyroid, diabetes etc.. Have low Car also.



I'm aware that it's synthetic, but it still acts very similarly to vitamin A.  That probably explains the effect it has on me.  I would put myself on the more severe end.  Massive joint pain, awfully dry skin, barely able to have a bowel movement, etc. before finding iodine.  Something thyroid going on there, but like i've said before, iodine helps cells retain moisture, so any of you still dealing with lingering joint pain, try the iodine.  I did it more for my joints than anything else.  For bowel health digestive enzymes is a MUST since many of us due to the dryness cannot make the enzymes to break down certain types of food...hence why when we eat a LOT of carbs, and a LOT of sugar we feel like shit, ya dig? I have a ton of knowledge about this thing, but the whole vitamin A thing is still a god awful big black hole. I'm going to keep trucking though.  Glad you guys are doing well for the most part smile.png

What digestive enzymes are you taking? Just curious. Hope things are going well:)



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:57 AM

Still taking Blue Ice, still seeing full benefits. 
 
Switched from yogurt to true free range chicken and rice. With portion control, am normal. Portion control no longer an extreme hardship. Just have to eat reasonably. 

 

Probably going to take another cycle of UDCA after talking to my doctor. 

 

As far as I know there exist two different protocolls for taking UDCA. Either you take it throughout the day with every meal, or you take it just before going to bed. Joseph, have you ever tried just taking it before going to bed, I know this protocol is for dissolving gallstones?!

 

BTW: enterohepatic circulation also shows up in this context 

 

Maintenance of hepatic bile acid secretion rate during overnight fasting by bedtime bile acid administration.                      We have tested the hypothesis that the greater clinical efficacy of bedtime administration of bile acid in gallstone dissolution is due to prevention of the reduction in hepatic bile acid secretion that normally accompanies overnight interruption of the enterohepatic circulation, thus also reducing the secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile. We measured the hepatic bile acid secretion rate by combining duodenal perfusion of a nonabsorbable recovery marker (polyethylene glycol) with continuous intravenous infusion of a hepatic bile marker (indocyanine green). We studied 6 subjects with gallstones before and during administration of ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA, 675 mg) at bedtime. Duplicate pretreatment studies revealed good reproducibility. Mean values for hepatic bile acid secretion rate were uninfluenced by chronic UDCA administration before the acute bedtime dose, but during the 4-h period after acute administration of UDCA the total bile acids secreted increased by a mean value of 2.2 mmol (p less than 0.01). Before treatment, nine of the 78 hourly samples were secreted at a hepatic bile acid secretion rate of less than 5 mumol/kg.h in the 6 patients studied, compared with only one hourly sample during UDCA administration. Super-saturated hepatic bile was secreted for a mean of 9.5 h before treatment, and for 1.2 h during UDCA treatment (p less than 0.005). We conclude that if UDCA is administered at bedtime, this maintains the hepatic bile acid secretion rate overnight, thus reducing secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile, in addition to the well-established effect of UDCA on cholesterol secretion. http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/3410216

 

I am not taking UDCA as of right now, but try to get a better understanding of it. If it was not for this one article which scared me tremendously I would still be taking it. Overall it is pretty hard to find unfavorable mentions of this drug online, especially in the BB community, I have heard nothing but praise. Of course, you don't know about the long-term side effects.

 

UDCA is actually a supplement in my book, because the substance (UDCA) is naturally produced inside the body, no wonder there are no but two potential side effects listed on the packaging.

 

Ursodiol, also known as ursodeoxycholic acid and the abbreviation UDCA, is one of the secondary bile acids, which are metabolic byproducts of intestinal bacteria. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodiol

Edited by Undergroundwellness, 01 October 2013 - 02:54 AM.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:59 AM

I am not sure about this Underground wellness but it looks from the abstract for the research paper that UDCA administration at the bed time would not interrupt the entroheptatic cycle...  In our scenario we would like to break this cycle so i don't know if it will work..

 

 

 

 

Still taking Blue Ice, still seeing full benefits. 
 
Switched from yogurt to true free range chicken and rice. With portion control, am normal. Portion control no longer an extreme hardship. Just have to eat reasonably. 

 

Probably going to take another cycle of UDCA after talking to my doctor. 

 

As far as I know there exist two different protocolls for taking UDCA. Either you take it throughout the day with every meal, or you take it just before going to bed. Joseph, have you ever tried just taking it before going to bed, I know this protocol is for dissolving gallstones?!

 

BTW: enterohepatic circulation also shows up in this context 

 

>Maintenance of hepatic bile acid secretion rate during overnight fasting by bedtime bile acid administration.                      We have tested the hypothesis that the greater clinical efficacy of bedtime administration of bile acid in gallstone dissolution is due to prevention of the reduction in hepatic bile acid secretion that normally accompanies overnight interruption of the enterohepatic circulation, thus also reducing the secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile. We measured the hepatic bile acid secretion rate by combining duodenal perfusion of a nonabsorbable recovery marker (polyethylene glycol) with continuous intravenous infusion of a hepatic bile marker (indocyanine green). We studied 6 subjects with gallstones before and during administration of ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA, 675 mg) at bedtime. Duplicate pretreatment studies revealed good reproducibility. Mean values for hepatic bile acid secretion rate were uninfluenced by chronic UDCA administration before the acute bedtime dose, but during the 4-h period after acute administration of UDCA the total bile acids secreted increased by a mean value of 2.2 mmol (p less than 0.01). Before treatment, nine of the 78 hourly samples were secreted at a hepatic bile acid secretion rate of less than 5 mumol/kg.h in the 6 patients studied, compared with only one hourly sample during UDCA administration. Super-saturated hepatic bile was secreted for a mean of 9.5 h before treatment, and for 1.2 h during UDCA treatment (p less than 0.005). We conclude that if UDCA is administered at bedtime, this maintains the hepatic bile acid secretion rate overnight, thus reducing secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile, in addition to the well-established effect of UDCA on cholesterol secretion. http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/3410216

 

I am not taking UDCA as of right now, but try to get a better understanding of it. If it was not for this one article which scared me tremendously I would still be taking it. Overall it is pretty hard to find unfavorable mentions of this drug online, especially in the BB community, I have heard nothing but praise. Of course, you don't know about the long-term side effects.

 

UDCA is actually a supplement in my book, because the substance (UDCA) is naturally produced inside the body, no wonder there are no but two potential side effects listed on the packaging.

 

Ursodiol, also known as ursodeoxycholic acid and the abbreviation UDCA, is one of the secondary bile acids, which are metabolic byproducts of intestinal bacteria. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodiol

 



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:38 AM

Chico Esposito, 

 

Please keep us posted.  Curious to see if juice fast is the way to go when so many other methods have failed.  Hope you feel better. 

Day 10 of juice fast, living off 3 quarts of green juice per day, 2 tablespoons of psylium husk, 2 tablespoons of hydrated bentonite clay, lots of water. Everything going smoothly, my eyes are starting to go white again as they were bloodshot before the fast, the red veins are disappearing in the whites of my eyes.... and i feel much better internally. Still have only gone the toilet twice, that needs to be rectified, but going well. My hair looks to be in better shape and body odour has dissipated somewhat.



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:04 AM

Hi Anonyy great to hear that somebody is finally to get rid of accutane.. Can you please share us with your complete experience in simple terms?

1. How much accutane you took and for how long ?
2. What were the side effects that you suffered?
3. When did u started doing liver/kidneycleanse and hopefully some instruction on how you did it ?
4. How did you follow the isotherapy in detail?
5. How do measure success of removal ? Your side effects were removed.
6. How much time it took for u for complete process?

I believe if you can share your success it will definitely help all of us here


 

Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.
Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK. 
While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back smile.png
** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.
PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.
I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.


 


It was 20 or 30mg per day i don't remember, for 7 month.

The most severe side effect i had was psychological (depression, lost the sense of reality, impression like life isn't real, memory loss), extreme fatigue, joint problem, eyes & skin extreme dryness, libido & sensation loss, intestine inflammation. When i was under accutane i had for months crusted skin on my backhand

I started the kidney cleanse for 3weeks 1year ago precisely and then i did 10 liver flush before the isotherapy. It was the dr clark method for the kidney cleanse, the one linked previously at curezone.

How i followed the isotherapy is quite simple, i took it like i said day 1 3 5 7 in the morning and the last one before sleep, during and 3weeks+ after i've eat no grains and only a little bit of chicken but a lot of fruits & veggies. I took calcium d glucarate & kombucha to enhance the excretion & prevent reabsorption. Each morning i've eat some fruits, then 15min after took a mix of charcoal, bentonite & psyllium followed (30min after) by a mix of 20-30ml of olive oil with 20-30ml of lemon juice. I add cascara sagrada & magnesium oxide if transit too slow.
Before the isotherpay i've expose myself to the sun for hours too to get enough vitamin D. I've took beta-carotene and red ice skate liver oil (not at the same time) before & between the first liver flush (and before the isotherapy).

How i mesure the success i will say for now it's really impressive, it's like everything come back to normal, the joint become stronger, the skin is more thick & able to sweat again, mentaly i have "brighter" and more feelings, emotions, memory come back, etc.. and i find orgasm & sexual desire a lot more powerful than usual too.

I'll say 1year to do all of it. But it can be reduced to 8month maybe.

 

I believe your post really makes sense to me in terms of what you did to get rid of accutane.. 

 

 

So far removal from body you really used 

Olive oil +  Lemon Juice  

 

For removal from body to break the Enterohepatic cycle you used the following things:

calcium d glucarate  

kombucha

psyllium

mix of charcoal, bentonite ( I believe these really help in circulating the biles quickly from liver to intestine and back)

 

Another interesting thing is that to speed up the circulating time in  your intestine you used:

Cascara sagrada

Magnesium oxide

 

I think this is the way to go but pretty sure that this will wreak havoc on your body a lot...

 

I would be really scared to put my self into this scenario as things will go so bad before they start getting better... To tell you the truth i started this procedure 2 weeks ago with just removal part by consuming lot of desi ghee , seasame oil , coconut oil for 7 days but i didn't knew about the things that break Enterohepatic cycle and things really broke hell... I was feeling like pain in my every part of the body and felt like i would die.. There was so much weakness in my body..I wouldn't be able to go to sleep at night time and felt something burning inside me always...  

 

Now I am much better.. 1 thing I found out is that when i consume fibre (Pysllium) I feel much better from the body pain...  I will wait for some time more and after reading your thread will give it try once more when i get enough courage...



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:16 AM

Have a family friend that is an ophthalmologist.  All ophthalmologists need to have an in-depth understanding of Vitamin A since it plays a critical role in eye function.  Anyway, gonna talk to him and share what he said.  Stay tuned.    



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:25 AM

It's strange that it produce a so high reaction. Maybe it's caused by a too low bile flow (because of the intrahepatic stones) and it's hard to handle the olive oil, it will be better to crush the stones and do the liver flush before i think.
You forgot about the kombucha, it's one of the most important ingredient ^^


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 02:08 PM

I am not sure about this Underground wellness but it looks from the abstract for the research paper that UDCA administration at the bed time would not interrupt the entroheptatic cycle...  In our scenario we would like to break this cycle so i don't know if it will work..

 

 

 

 

 

Still taking Blue Ice, still seeing full benefits. 
 
Switched from yogurt to true free range chicken and rice. With portion control, am normal. Portion control no longer an extreme hardship. Just have to eat reasonably. 

 

Probably going to take another cycle of UDCA after talking to my doctor. 

 

As far as I know there exist two different protocolls for taking UDCA. Either you take it throughout the day with every meal, or you take it just before going to bed. Joseph, have you ever tried just taking it before going to bed, I know this protocol is for dissolving gallstones?!

 

BTW: enterohepatic circulation also shows up in this context 

 

 

>Maintenance of hepatic bile acid secretion rate during overnight fasting by bedtime bile acid administration.                      We have tested the hypothesis that the greater clinical efficacy of bedtime administration of bile acid in gallstone dissolution is due to prevention of the reduction in hepatic bile acid secretion that normally accompanies overnight interruption of the enterohepatic circulation, thus also reducing the secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile. We measured the hepatic bile acid secretion rate by combining duodenal perfusion of a nonabsorbable recovery marker (polyethylene glycol) with continuous intravenous infusion of a hepatic bile marker (indocyanine green). We studied 6 subjects with gallstones before and during administration of ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA, 675 mg) at bedtime. Duplicate pretreatment studies revealed good reproducibility. Mean values for hepatic bile acid secretion rate were uninfluenced by chronic UDCA administration before the acute bedtime dose, but during the 4-h period after acute administration of UDCA the total bile acids secreted increased by a mean value of 2.2 mmol (p less than 0.01). Before treatment, nine of the 78 hourly samples were secreted at a hepatic bile acid secretion rate of less than 5 mumol/kg.h in the 6 patients studied, compared with only one hourly sample during UDCA administration. Super-saturated hepatic bile was secreted for a mean of 9.5 h before treatment, and for 1.2 h during UDCA treatment (p less than 0.005). We conclude that if UDCA is administered at bedtime, this maintains the hepatic bile acid secretion rate overnight, thus reducing secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile, in addition to the well-established effect of UDCA on cholesterol secretion. http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/3410216

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I am not taking UDCA as of right now, but try to get a better understanding of it. If it was not for this one article which scared me tremendously I would still be taking it. Overall it is pretty hard to find unfavorable mentions of this drug online, especially in the BB community, I have heard nothing but praise. Of course, you don't know about the long-term side effects.

 

UDCA is actually a supplement in my book, because the substance (UDCA) is naturally produced inside the body, no wonder there are no but two potential side effects listed on the packaging.

 

 

 

Ursodiol, also known as ursodeoxycholic acid and the abbreviation UDCA, is one of the secondary bile acids, which are metabolic byproducts of intestinal bacteria. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodiol

 

 

You are right about what you post. Although we want to "break" the EC or rather "clean up" the enterohepatic cycle, I would believe that a drug like tane may have lead the EC to break down, especially in those people complaining about significant liver and gallbladder issues. So it is twofold, you have to get the EC and the bile flowing again and clean it up. I may be wrong, but I do know that both UDCA and liver flushes as well as substances that break the cycle like Zeolithes and Bentonite work really well. Soon going to try charcoal, it is supposed to be even better than bentonite and zeolithes.



I am not sure about this Underground wellness but it looks from the abstract for the research paper that UDCA administration at the bed time would not interrupt the entroheptatic cycle...  In our scenario we would like to break this cycle so i don't know if it will work..

 

 

 

 

 

Still taking Blue Ice, still seeing full benefits. 
 
Switched from yogurt to true free range chicken and rice. With portion control, am normal. Portion control no longer an extreme hardship. Just have to eat reasonably. 

 

Probably going to take another cycle of UDCA after talking to my doctor. 

 

As far as I know there exist two different protocolls for taking UDCA. Either you take it throughout the day with every meal, or you take it just before going to bed. Joseph, have you ever tried just taking it before going to bed, I know this protocol is for dissolving gallstones?!

 

BTW: enterohepatic circulation also shows up in this context 

 

>Maintenance of hepatic bile acid secretion rate during overnight fasting by bedtime bile acid administration.                      We have tested the hypothesis that the greater clinical efficacy of bedtime administration of bile acid in gallstone dissolution is due to prevention of the reduction in hepatic bile acid secretion that normally accompanies overnight interruption of the enterohepatic circulation, thus also reducing the secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile. We measured the hepatic bile acid secretion rate by combining duodenal perfusion of a nonabsorbable recovery marker (polyethylene glycol) with continuous intravenous infusion of a hepatic bile marker (indocyanine green). We studied 6 subjects with gallstones before and during administration of ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA, 675 mg) at bedtime. Duplicate pretreatment studies revealed good reproducibility. Mean values for hepatic bile acid secretion rate were uninfluenced by chronic UDCA administration before the acute bedtime dose, but during the 4-h period after acute administration of UDCA the total bile acids secreted increased by a mean value of 2.2 mmol (p less than 0.01). Before treatment, nine of the 78 hourly samples were secreted at a hepatic bile acid secretion rate of less than 5 mumol/kg.h in the 6 patients studied, compared with only one hourly sample during UDCA administration. Super-saturated hepatic bile was secreted for a mean of 9.5 h before treatment, and for 1.2 h during UDCA treatment (p less than 0.005). We conclude that if UDCA is administered at bedtime, this maintains the hepatic bile acid secretion rate overnight, thus reducing secretion of supersaturated hepatic bile, in addition to the well-established effect of UDCA on cholesterol secretion. http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/3410216

ockquote>

 

I am not taking UDCA as of right now, but try to get a better understanding of it. If it was not for this one article which scared me tremendously I would still be taking it. Overall it is pretty hard to find unfavorable mentions of this drug online, especially in the BB community, I have heard nothing but praise. Of course, you don't know about the long-term side effects.

 

UDCA is actually a supplement in my book, because the substance (UDCA) is naturally produced inside the body, no wonder there are no but two potential side effects listed on the packaging.

 

 

 

Ursodiol, also known as ursodeoxycholic acid and the abbreviation UDCA, is one of the secondary bile acids, which are metabolic byproducts of intestinal bacteria. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursodiol

 

 

 

You are right about what you post. Although we want to "break" the EC or rather "clean up" the enterohepatic cycle, I would believe that a drug like tane may have lead the EC to break down, especially in those people complaining about significant liver and gallbladder issues. So it is twofold, you have to get the EC and the bile flowing again and clean it up. I may be wrong, but I do know that both UDCA and liver flushes as well as substances that break the cycle like Zeolithes and Bentonite work really well. Soon going to try charcoal, it is supposed to be even better than bentonite and zeolithes.

Edited by Undergroundwellness, 01 October 2013 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:40 PM

It's strange that it produce a so high reaction. Maybe it's caused by a too low bile flow (because of the intrahepatic stones) and it's hard to handle the olive oil, it will be better to crush the stones and do the liver flush before i think.
You forgot about the kombucha, it's one of the most important ingredient ^^

 

Thanks anonyy ... I will look into the liver cleanse by  Andreas Morriitz.. I have got the book titled "The amazing liver cleanse"..

 

How is your recovery coming along ? Did your symptoms faded away slowly or it was instantly because for me I noticed that when i have doing lot of fat I felt pain in the butt and no pain in my head ( Which was worst symptoms i faced with Accutane)..  The pain was sometimes shifting from head and then to back (butt).. I thought that may be the accutane is making these toxins mobile and they are trying to get rid of the body... I didn't take any Entraheptatic cycle breaker supplements at that time because i didn't know about any at that time...

 

Also can you let me know what was the amount of Calcium D-glucarate you took?


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:49 PM

Pain in the butt is inflammation i think, some people lost their colon cause of accutane. You should stop acidic food and do some greens juice. Boswellia can be useful too.
Eating too much fiber from vegetables can worsen inflammation for us (they should be juiced, those vegs juices are very important to get health back) but psyllium & bentonite are "gentle fibers" and are fine.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:14 PM


 

Chico Esposito, 

 

Please keep us posted.  Curious to see if juice fast is the way to go when so many other methods have failed.  Hope you feel better. 

Day 10 of juice fast, living off 3 quarts of green juice per day, 2 tablespoons of psylium husk, 2 tablespoons of hydrated bentonite clay, lots of water. Everything going smoothly, my eyes are starting to go white again as they were bloodshot before the fast, the red veins are disappearing in the whites of my eyes.... and i feel much better internally. Still have only gone the toilet twice, that needs to be rectified, but going well. My hair looks to be in better shape and body odour has dissipated somewhat.

 

Day 14 of juice fast, 3 quarts of juice, 2 quarts of watermelon juice, 1 quart of Apple, ginger, celery, spinach, lemon juice. Weight starting to stabilise, after losing weight in the last few days, seems my metabolism has slowed down. Arise and shine Bentonite clay has arrived and it replaces the more watery Yerba prima bentonite clay in my shakes. Instead of rice milk i've been using almond milk in my P & B shakes today. Feeling good, skin is still in better condition than pre fast, really a walk in the park today.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:01 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276716/     lot of detailed info and studies on accutane if anyone missed this.

also touches on biotin enzyme defeciency in liver due to accutane. know people have tried biotin i have myself but never stuck with it for a long period of time. I deal with hair loss, including eyebrows, sideburns, and depression. both are linked to biotin defeciency.

So if you tried biotin for how long and at what dose?  just curious. BTW i took 1 course of accutane about 15 yrs ago and still get a reaction to vitamin a most noticeable in eggs, milk and high dose beta carotene like in carrots, . also dealing with severe acid reflux( mainly in throat), tinitus in ear and a feeling of dizziness that comes and goes. dont know if there is also a link between high/low stomach acid and accutane. looking into that next. from what i read lpr can get into your siniuses and even cause a burning sensation in head. i wonder if vitamin a triggers some sort of reflux symptoms?



need to copy and paste link. not working properly.



article also touches on elevated homocysteine levels caused by accutane that can build up in the body which can lead to a host of problems. an example is in the following link   http://www.lef.org/p...eduction_01.htm



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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:03 PM

Been taking biotin for at least 3 months.  only noticed stronger nails....hair continues to fall out :( apple cider vinegar slows the rate of fall out, and impoves appearance but nothing has stopped it.  I believe taking some higher does of vitamin E impacted me negatively post accutane since E encourages liver to store the A instead of removing it...may have triggered a more acute...but not CUTE vitamin a toxicity. GO ME!



Been taking biotin for at least 3 months.  only noticed stronger nails....hair continues to fall out :( apple cider vinegar slows the rate of fall out, and improves appearance but nothing has stopped it.  I believe taking some higher does of vitamin E impacted me negatively post accutane since E encourages liver to store the A instead of removing it...may have triggered a more acute...but not CUTE vitamin a toxicity. GO ME!  Will continue to take biotin. Still suffer from insanely dry mouth too. Any products work besides biotene? I havn't noticed biotene making that much of a difference reallly...



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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:01 AM

Glad to hear that you are doing well Chico.  Keep us posted please.  

 

What were your symptoms prior to the fast? 

 

Chico Esposito, 

 

Please keep us posted.  Curious to see if juice fast is the way to go when so many other methods have failed.  Hope you feel better. 

Day 10 of juice fast, living off 3 quarts of green juice per day, 2 tablespoons of psylium husk, 2 tablespoons of hydrated bentonite clay, lots of water. Everything going smoothly, my eyes are starting to go white again as they were bloodshot before the fast, the red veins are disappearing in the whites of my eyes.... and i feel much better internally. Still have only gone the toilet twice, that needs to be rectified, but going well. My hair looks to be in better shape and body odour has dissipated somewhat.

 

Day 14 of juice fast, 3 quarts of juice, 2 quarts of watermelon juice, 1 quart of Apple, ginger, celery, spinach, lemon juice. Weight starting to stabilise, after losing weight in the last few days, seems my metabolism has slowed down. Arise and shine Bentonite clay has arrived and it replaces the more watery Yerba prima bentonite clay in my shakes. Instead of rice milk i've been using almond milk in my P & B shakes today. Feeling good, skin is still in better condition than pre fast, really a walk in the park today.



Also been taking Vitamin E.  Interesting you noted that E helps the liver store more Vitamin A.  Any research to back this up?  Thanks.  

 

 

Been taking biotin for at least 3 months.  only noticed stronger nails....hair continues to fall out sad.png apple cider vinegar slows the rate of fall out, and impoves appearance but nothing has stopped it.  I believe taking some higher does of vitamin E impacted me negatively post accutane since E encourages liver to store the A instead of removing it...may have triggered a more acute...but not CUTE vitamin a toxicity. GO ME!



Been taking biotin for at least 3 months.  only noticed stronger nails....hair continues to fall out sad.png apple cider vinegar slows the rate of fall out, and improves appearance but nothing has stopped it.  I believe taking some higher does of vitamin E impacted me negatively post accutane since E encourages liver to store the A instead of removing it...may have triggered a more acute...but not CUTE vitamin a toxicity. GO ME!  Will continue to take biotin. Still suffer from insanely dry mouth too. Any products work besides biotene? I havn't noticed biotene making that much of a difference reallly...






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