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#3541 Gladiatoro

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:57 PM

I was doing some research today after work as I often do and came across a article , it talked about one dermatologist describing Accutane as a

 

CONTROLLED POISONING and he said that he would never give it out to patients but rather recommend dietary changes , supplements and if

 

need be a course of antibiotics , quite a progressive derm I would say , seems like things are changing in the dermatology world and they are

 

finally waking up to the fact that  DIET is a major factor on acne prone individuals , the golden goose that is accutane yes people are finally

 

realizing that it is not a  MIRACLE DRUG as no such thing exists , interesting read though. I would describe Accutane as being in a constant

 

hungover like state with a dose of systemic dehydration thrown in and those would be the mild side effects.

 

 


It's exactly what it is if you think about it.... it's just giving people toxic amounts of synthetic vitamin A to stop their skin from producing sebum. Accutane's not the only medication thats controlled poisoning, chemotherapy is pumping the body full of toxic drugs in the hope that it'll kill some cancer cells. Calcipotriene is a synthetic toxic form of vitamin D that they give people with psoriasis. The sooner you realise the whole world is insane the better, Einstein said it best - only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and i'm not sure about the former.

I would go as far as saying that Vitamin A rich  cod liver oil would be SAFER  on overdosing vs a synthetic drug after all we are dealing with a

 

Chemothearpy agent , not nice stuff. Yes Chico chemotherapy is given in the hope that it kills the cancer cells  BEFORE it KILLS  the patient ,

 

such barbaric treatments the orthodox system has , people will look back in the not too distant future and wonder WTF were these people

 

thinking , sadly and most often $$$$ is a factor becaue frankly there is no money in nutrition. Orthodox medicine in realtiy is CORRUPT TO THE

 

CORE and generally does more damage than good with the exeption of treating trama  patients and some surgery.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:44 PM

I don't want to start a big conversation, but I think it is a little over the top that it is not allowed to have a conversation about brands. For instance different brands use different techniques in producing cod liver oil, to give just one example. The synthetic forms used in Vitamin B Complex supplements vary also a great deal and are for instance worth discussing, I could go on and on.

 

Mentioning brand names is perfectly fine.  Including a picture of the product is also fine, but I'm afraid including a link to a website that sells the product is against the board rules.

 

 

I was doing some research today after work as I often do and came across a article , it talked about one dermatologist describing Accutane as a

 

CONTROLLED POISONING and he said that he would never give it out to patients but rather recommend dietary changes , supplements and if

 

need be a course of antibiotics , quite a progressive derm I would say , seems like things are changing in the dermatology world and they are

 

finally waking up to the fact that  DIET is a major factor on acne prone individuals , the golden goose that is accutane yes people are finally

 

realizing that it is not a  MIRACLE DRUG as no such thing exists , interesting read though. I would describe Accutane as being in a constant

 

hungover like state with a dose of systemic dehydration thrown in and those would be the mild side effects.

My derm is dead against accutane, and only ever prescribes it if he's exhausted all other options, but even then reluctantly.  He's of the strong opinion that even if his patient doesn't suffer short term problems from the drug, they will most definitely have problems later in life because of the treatment.  He says that its only now that longer term study results are coming through in meaningful numbers from people who were prescribed the drug 20 years ago, and he doesn't feel confident that those studies will show that people have led healthy lives post accutane.



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Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:53 PM

"but I'm afraid including a link to a website that sells the product is against the board rules."

 

Then you are being overzealous in your deletions, because the weston price page that I linked does not sell the supplements, it only specifies which are suitable and why. 



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 12:17 AM

Joseph, if I've made a mistake then I sincerely apologise. Please PM the link and I'll take another look and let you know it its ok to re-post.  Please keep in mind that if the site has a lot of advertising banners linked to it, then it's also not allowed.



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:48 AM

In this thread a lot of links are posted and as a regular reader I'd say more than 90% are to sites that are not selling anything, so we are good.



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:11 AM

http://www.westonapr...iver-oil-basics

 

No banners.Only thing they're advertising is their print journal, which every academic journal does too. None of their product links are affiliate. 

 

If it's not ok to post, just ban me, cuz I'm gone. 



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:58 PM

I have created a website promoting the products that have helped me and I sell most of them at a cheaper price than Amazon...

 

I cannot post the name of the website here because the last time I tried doing that I was banned for a week.

 

If you would like more information please send me a private message.

 


 

 

It seems highly doubtful I would be commenting on this thread for 2+ years without pimping anything out to finally unveil my misgevious plan to make money off of pple's suffering... not a very good return on investment.

 

Wouldn't you agree that promoting and profiting from your own online store aimed at those suffering from long-term side effects of Accutane is the epitome of taking advantage of fellow sufferers?

 

I would really like to hear your opinion on this.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:39 PM

http://www.westonapr...iver-oil-basics

 

No banners.Only thing they're advertising is their print journal, which every academic journal does too. None of their product links are affiliate.

 

If it's not ok to post, just ban me, cuz I'm gone. 

The company that produces Blue-Ice brand Cod Liver Oil (Green Pasture) is absolutely an affiliate of the Weston A Price Foundation. The

 

company is listed as a "platinum" sponsor at the bottom of their official website's main page http://www.westonaprice.org/, as are 2 of the 3

 

websites rated as the  "BEST" sources for the Blue-Ice supplement in the page you linked. (Dr. Ron's Ultra-Pure and Radiant Life

 

are also listed as sponsors on the site's main page.)

 

 

If you are a firm believer in the Weston A. Price Foundation's advocated diet and supplement lines, then perhaps starting a new website to discuss overcoming the damage of Accutane in the context of their recommendations isn't such a bad idea.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:25 PM

So? Academic journals are funded directly and indirectly by pharmaceutical giants. 
 
Sponsorship != affiliate link.
 
You might as well say we can't link to the Indy 500 because they have sponsors. Or Youtube videos, because they have ads. Or Google, because it has ads. 
 
Unable to argue the substance, a petty fellow resorts to rules lawyering, in an attempt to shut down speech he does not like. 


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:28 AM

...Says Marsha Clarke to Johnny Cochran. (see the above post).

 

The announcers of the Indy 500 also don't tout the smooth ride and superior grip of Firestone tires over other brands as personal experience,

 

I will call it shameless financial back-scratching if you are unsatisfied with equating affiliation to sponsorship, and remind you the health supplement industry often funds studies of its own products through various organizations as well.

 

 

So, to the substance (mostly Fish Liver Oil):

 

Some logical inquiry is badly needed when a particular supplement containing potentially toxic doses of vitamin A are being repeatedly promoted as innocuous in a forum of people who were badly effected by a drug patterned after the same vitamin. This is in light of a poster saying they reacted similarly to your supplement of choice as they did accutane, and many others claiming ill effects from foods and supplements containing high doses of vitamin A.

 

Are they being ignored to push a product or agenda?

 

Maybe it is simply survival of the loudest and most prolific.

 

 

 

On a final note:

 

I would encourage silent observers of this thread to objectively look into the sources of information relating to any treatment discussed here before purchasing something in a blind leap of desperation.

 

Some food for thought regarding a couple of the repeatedly cited websites who's links were recently removed:

 

http://en.wikipedia....iki/NaturalNews

 

http://en.wikipedia....rice_Foundation

 

There were also links to two online stores targeted at Accutane sufferers that were removed.

 

 

This article deals with mesothelioma specifically, but lays out some practical cautionary guidelines for people suffering from seemingly uncurable conditions.

http://www.asbestos....pplement-scams/

 

Notice that they mention the efficacy of some natural products. This is not an argument of all natural products and supplements being useless for anything but running scams.

Nor should they be assumed to be harmless. Many have been scientifically proven to be pharmacologically active.

 

 

If rational skepticism and inquiry into potential treatments aren't welcome here anymore, then the basis for this thread is lost since it was someone questioning the reported safety of Accutane that led to its creation.

 

I will take my leave now for a couple weeks, as this arguing has become as useless and repetitive as the idealogical self-promotion.


Edited by Dubya_B, 17 August 2013 - 12:39 AM.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:47 AM

Your absence will be as welcome as your reading comprehension is absent. 

 

"a particular supplement containing potentially toxic doses of vitamin A are being repeatedly promoted as innocuous"

 

Nowhere have I said that Blue Ice is innocuous. In fact, I have warned that taking a high dose is rather uncomfortable.

 

I have said:

1. It is DIFFERENT THAN regular cod liver oil. 

2. It is, by hard repeated experimental evidence, extremely beneficial FOR ME. 

3. It MAY BE extremely beneficial for others here.

 

I have further encouraged someone else here to test a LOW DOSE, ONE TIME. Preferably, NOT someone with a previous or suspected history of reactivity to vitamin A. 

 

Now, please calm down and exit the building. 



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:21 PM

https://www.youtube....h?v=CymgJ3el9_A

 

http://foodmatters.t...ivated-charcoal



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 04:09 PM

http://en.wikipedia....al_applications

 

Activated carbon interrupts enteroenteric circulation http://en.wikipedia....ric_circulation

 

You take it on empty stomach preferably after fasting a little. After having taken it you flush it out with Natriumsulfate.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:39 PM

This article talks about isotretinoin among other things and the pure poison of processed sugar in our diets.

http://dietforclearskin.blogspot.ca/



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

To anyone who has dry skin/hair loss- have you tried getting a humidifier? I just got one and within a day or two my skin felt INFINITELY better, my scalp stopped shedding all over the place and my hair loss is almost nonexistent now. It's worth a try for anyone with those problems.

 

Hope this helps.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:06 PM

http://crasberrysmit...ial-phase-diet/

 

Looks very similar to paleo


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:26 PM

More dangerous side effects exposed  of anti-life biotic use.

http://www.pbs.org/n...tics_06-16.html



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 10:08 PM

 "Vitamin A: Friend Or Foe": http://www.westonapr...it-of-happiness

 

"Accutane is not vitamin A. The body handles it differently from natural vitamin A (see Figure 4) and there are a number of lines of evidence showing that it acts as an anti-vitamin A compound that can aggravate vitamin A deficiency. In newborn mice treated with dexamethasone, a drug that induces emphysema-like changes to lung tissue, natural vitamin A helps treat the disorder while the active ingredient of Accutane has no effect and may even make it worse.30 Accutane caused night blindness, a traditional sign of vitamin A deficiency, in a child with cystic fibrosis, whereas vitamin A supplementation resolved the night blindness.31 In rats, the active ingredient of this drug accumulates in the eyes and interferes with vitamin A recycling; rats taking it at high doses took fifty times longer to recover from exposure to intense light than rats that did not take the drug at all.32

A physician published a letter earlier this year reporting that two patients developed depression on Accutane; when the physician took them off the drug and supplemented them with 10-12,000 IU of vitamin A for seven to ten days, the depression resolved and they were able to go back on the drug without it recurring.33 The totality of the evidence strongly suggests that vitamin A deficiency contributes to depression and that Accutane is associated with this mental illness because it interferes with vitamin A metabolism."

So in conclusion vitamin A like Blue Ice cod liver could actually be BENEFICIAL to us , due to accutane mimicking vitamin A deficiency symptoms so Joseph may be onto something with his Blue Ice treatment.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:16 AM

Hi, I've read through pages on this site and on many other sites and am hoping there's help to be found. I just posted this on another thread on this site but I see this one is more active so I thought I'd repost.

I'm 22 and I started taking a version of roaccutane in November 2011 and was on it for about 8 months as far as I remember. I was single while I was on it so I never really noticed anything different as far as my libido/erections went. However just after I stopped taking it I met a girl and when we finally got around to IT (despite her being amazing to look at and everything I want in a girl) I couldn't get a decent erection. At the time I put it down to alcohol and exhaustion as I had spent the night before drinking heavily and not got much sleep then drinking again that night - and maybe a little anxiety over the situation. But then I started to wonder, I started to notice that even when I was well rested and by myself I couldn't get a decent erection or sustain it.

After trying a number of over the counter supplements (not wanting to put my name to anything) I finally bit the bullet and went to a GP who told me it was probably psychological, took some blood and gave me a scrip for Cialis. The blood test showed everything within normal ranges - it even said my testosterone was on the higher end of normal. The Cialis did nothing so the GP sent me to a urologist, who again said it was probably psychological and gave me a scrip for Levitra which also did nothing. The specialist sent me for a penile ultrasound which showed no abnormalities. The urologist then gave me a scrip for Caverject which did nothing. After that it was a medication even stronger and I assume not often required as it isn't available in normal pharmacies and I had to go to a compounding pharmacy to have it made specially. Again nothing. The concentration of the medication was then doubled. This had some minor results but nowhere near where it should be. (and I certainly did not enjoy sticking a needle into my penis)

Tomorrow I am having some other sort of imaging done. I'm not exactly sure what as the appointment was made in a bit of a hurry.

It has become VERY frustrating. I haven't been with my girlfriend for months and I'm getting no results from medications that are powerful enough to give a dead man wood. When the urologist asked if I knew what might be causing it, at first I didn't know but when I thought about it the only thing different in my life from around that time was roaccutane. When I mentioned it he didn't seem to take any notice. Possibly because it had been so long since I had stopped the roaccutane or maybe just because he thought it irrelevant.

Is anyone out there having success with anything? This problem is slowly killing me. I know it will eventually destroy my relationship. Once the pleasure of life is gone you end up just being a drone - work, eat, sleep, work, etc. but what's the point of any of that if u can't enjoy yourself?

This has dragged on a little more than I originally intended so I'll wrap it up now.

Please, if anyone out there has any progress, anything to offer let it be known because its obvious this is a problem that is going to persist for a lot of people.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 07:17 AM

Hi, I've read through pages on this site and on many other sites and am hoping there's help to be found. I just posted this on another thread on this site but I see this one is more active so I thought I'd repost.

I'm 22 and I started taking a version of roaccutane in November 2011 and was on it for about 8 months as far as I remember. I was single while I was on it so I never really noticed anything different as far as my libido/erections went. However just after I stopped taking it I met a girl and when we finally got around to IT (despite her being amazing to look at and everything I want in a girl) I couldn't get a decent erection. At the time I put it down to alcohol and exhaustion as I had spent the night before drinking heavily and not got much sleep then drinking again that night - and maybe a little anxiety over the situation. But then I started to wonder, I started to notice that even when I was well rested and by myself I couldn't get a decent erection or sustain it.

After trying a number of over the counter supplements (not wanting to put my name to anything) I finally bit the bullet and went to a GP who told me it was probably psychological, took some blood and gave me a scrip for Cialis. The blood test showed everything within normal ranges - it even said my testosterone was on the higher end of normal. The Cialis did nothing so the GP sent me to a urologist, who again said it was probably psychological and gave me a scrip for Levitra which also did nothing. The specialist sent me for a penile ultrasound which showed no abnormalities. The urologist then gave me a scrip for Caverject which did nothing. After that it was a medication even stronger and I assume not often required as it isn't available in normal pharmacies and I had to go to a compounding pharmacy to have it made specially. Again nothing. The concentration of the medication was then doubled. This had some minor results but nowhere near where it should be. (and I certainly did not enjoy sticking a needle into my penis)

Tomorrow I am having some other sort of imaging done. I'm not exactly sure what as the appointment was made in a bit of a hurry.

It has become VERY frustrating. I haven't been with my girlfriend for months and I'm getting no results from medications that are powerful enough to give a dead man wood. When the urologist asked if I knew what might be causing it, at first I didn't know but when I thought about it the only thing different in my life from around that time was roaccutane. When I mentioned it he didn't seem to take any notice. Possibly because it had been so long since I had stopped the roaccutane or maybe just because he thought it irrelevant.

Is anyone out there having success with anything? This problem is slowly killing me. I know it will eventually destroy my relationship. Once the pleasure of life is gone you end up just being a drone - work, eat, sleep, work, etc. but what's the point of any of that if u can't enjoy yourself?

This has dragged on a little more than I originally intended so I'll wrap it up now.

Please, if anyone out there has any progress, anything to offer let it be known because its obvious this is a problem that is going to persist for a lot of people.

Unfortunately erectile dysfunction is another side effect related to isotretinoin , it is  dosage related meaning it depends how much you took in  8 months of accutane seem like a lot probably 10 grams or so , that would explain it , I only took around 2.5 grams so luckily I have no problems in that department ,  I would stay away from things like Viagra they have recently been liked to blindness which doesn't surprise me, perhaps look into something like Tongkat Ali this may be a viable solution for you . Hope this helps. This is a horrible side effect I feel your pain man , good luck.






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