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#3501 navile

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:35 PM

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:37 PM

# of cases of cancer attributable to UDCA: Zero. 
 
# of adverse reaction reports for UDCA in HK, where it is OTC: Zero. 
 
Value of the umpteenth iteration of Camaroz's contributions to this forum: Zero. 

Edited by JosephBuchignani, 03 August 2013 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:22 AM

Well, of course UDCA is an over-the-counter product in your part of the World; it’s a burgeoning industry because of charlatans like you; you don’t really need it, but you’re convinced otherwise. I love that you have gone back to your 'threatening' avatar; I don't think anyone approved of Mickey in the trap.

 

The methods of ‘milking’, or gallbladder bile extraction, are truly gruesome. One method (as depicted in the video) involves the insertion of a stainless steel or latex catheter into the bear’s body. Originally developed in the mid-1980s, this technique is still widely used despite it now being illegal. The catheter is inserted through a hole in the bear’s abdomen and attached to the gall bladder. The outer end is left to protrude from the bear’s abdomen for bile collection. A variation of this technique involves the end of the catheter being fitted to a detachable plastic bag.

 

http://bearnecessity...com/udca-facts/

 

From the same source you quote let me quote the following.

 

Bear bile has been used in Traditional Chinese Medicine for over 3000 years. It contains ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA), which is believed to reduce fever, protect the liver, improve eyesight, break down gallstones, and act as an anti-inflammatory. It is also believed to be an effective treatment for chronic stomach disease and heart disease and is touted as a general ‘cure for all ills’. 

 

So let's assume UDCA has been used for over 3000 years in TCM as stated by your source.

 

Some people may conclude that UDCA must bee working then, otherwise they'd not been using it for such a long time? Wrong! People are irrational and have been doing all kinds of retarded things over and over for hundreds and some for thousands of years. Everybody can probably come up with examples themselfes and I am sure there are many examples to be found in TCM.

 

Now, what is interesting is that conventional western medicine is extremely sceptic of TCM. However, out of the hundreds of TCM medications that exist UDCA was one of the few that was incorporated and adopted by western medicine. A lot of studies are available on the internet regarding the application, benefits, risks and dangers of UDCA, it was adopted with a passion.

 

Now, you say Joseph does not need UDCA, who are you to judge? Have you ever taken the drug? I did and worked great for me. It works great for Joseph. If I could take it permanently without any harm I'd do it.

 

I am not taking UDCA anymore and don't plan to ever use it again. However, just consider this: If UDCA produced no benefits at all it would most likely never have lasted 3000 years in TCM just to subsequently be adopted by western medicine.


Edited by Undergroundwellness, 04 August 2013 - 03:27 AM.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:16 AM

Upping the ante for uselessness, Camaroz now cites the gruesome extraction process for natural UDCA, as some sort of indictment of synthetic UDCA. By similar logic, nobody should wear synthetic diamonds because the natural diamond trade causes war in Africa. 

 

The skull in my avatar represents the pitiless reality of biological law and physical pain. It is indeed an emblem of fear - but intended as a reminder to myself, not as a way to impress others. It is what *I* fear, above all else. And I have earned the right to that fear, by countless long, slow, unbearable, hopeless hours of torment. 

 

The amusing thing about your effeminate narcissism is that when called on it, you proved the point by having a meltdown and getting yourself banned. Then you reconfirmed it by working even harder to win back the approval of the group and take down your perceived enemy. It's undignified and unbecoming, but a narcissist shunned will go to any lengths to regain the acceptance of the group.

 

Even if, as in this case, it means creating unnecessary work for the (likely unpaid) moderators of a large and charitable forum.



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:57 PM

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

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How many accounts is this now cam? at least 3 to my knowledge, have you been banned or something?

 

Joseph are you taking the blue ice cod liver oil / butter oil GELS or have you bought both separately?


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 08:14 PM

Yo camaro! Why do you keep antagonizing these supplement salesmen and the guy with I B.S.? After a half dozen pointless retorts to your comments have been posted, they only add to the wasted space in this thread. Also, it's beginning to appear as if everyone who became SEVERELY screwed from taking accutane has been scared away by the endless pages of squabbling.

 

btw- I'm very curious about who has gone so far as to harass you on your propeciahelp account?


Edited by Dubya_B, 05 August 2013 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:39 PM

"Joseph are you taking the blue ice cod liver oil / butter oil GELS or have you bought both separately?"
 
I'm taking the capsule form that combines both. But I can only take it with Source Naturals Digestive Enzymes; otherwise it causes stomach upset. I probably would have to take it with UDCA as well, although I haven't tested UDCA cessation with Blue Ice. 
 
I ran out of the enzymes, which made it impossible to take the Blue Ice and remain stable. No enzymes also seems to make the iFlora probiotic too harsh. I was able to stabilize at lvl 4ish with only acacia and UDCA. Might be able to get to lvl 5 with improved discipline techniques. 
 
Enzymes arrive in a few days. They don't make a huge difference at baseline, but unlock the ability to ingest things I wouldn't otherwise be able to eat. The latter was an effect I wasn't aware of. 
 
I ran out of colostrum at the same time, so the effect of enzymes and colostrum is conflated. I've reordered both. 


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:40 AM

Hey guys looks like someone got ahold of my account lol. Sorry about that. This is Maweeoh. No one in real life really knows my account so I'm not sure how and I think mods might changed my pw because it doesn't work. When I found out I sorta said, 'eff it too lazy' but I could use some advice. The cod liver oil I have used ( Carlsons) has only been causing me breakouts from here on out. It started out great but now is causing me painful cystic acne. Is this normal? I wanna stick with it but a few problems also I am concerned about. It seems to be causing me large amounts of fatigue, and dark hair growth on body. It also caused me a bit of eye dryness. Seems similar to Accutane. Yeah, I know. Bet you're thinking, good thing you didn't take Accutane, stupid girl. Been taking a tablespoon now but had started off on teaspoon per day. I was stuck in bed all day so sleepy. I quit it last night and was actually able to wake up this morning. Did you guys get that with the one you took? Or did you just experience theses symptoms with Accutane? Thanks in advance, and would like to get my account back later, if possible.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:56 AM

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Hey guys looks like someone got ahold of my account lol. Sorry about that. This is Maweeoh. No one in real life really knows my account so I'm not sure how and I think mods might changed my pw because it doesn't work. When I found out I sorta said, 'eff it too lazy' but I could use some advice. The cod liver oil I have used ( Carlsons) has only been causing me breakouts from here on out. It started out great but now is causing me painful cystic acne. Is this normal? I wanna stick with it but a few problems also I am concerned about. It seems to be causing me large amounts of fatigue, and dark hair growth on body. It also caused me a bit of eye dryness. Seems similar to Accutane. Yeah, I know. Bet you're thinking, good thing you didn't take Accutane, stupid girl. Been taking a tablespoon now but had started off on teaspoon per day. I was stuck in bed all day so sleepy. I quit it last night and was actually able to wake up this morning. Did you guys get that with the one you took? Or did you just experience theses symptoms with Accutane? Thanks in advance, and would like to get my account back later, if possible.

You should be taking Blue Ice with royal butter , much better product.



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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:04 PM

Hey guys looks like someone got ahold of my account lol. Sorry about that. This is Maweeoh. No one in real life really knows my account so I'm not sure how and I think mods might changed my pw because it doesn't work. When I found out I sorta said, 'eff it too lazy' but I could use some advice. The cod liver oil I have used ( Carlsons) has only been causing me breakouts from here on out. It started out great but now is causing me painful cystic acne. Is this normal? I wanna stick with it but a few problems also I am concerned about. It seems to be causing me large amounts of fatigue, and dark hair growth on body. It also caused me a bit of eye dryness. Seems similar to Accutane. Yeah, I know. Bet you're thinking, good thing you didn't take Accutane, stupid girl. Been taking a tablespoon now but had started off on teaspoon per day. I was stuck in bed all day so sleepy. I quit it last night and was actually able to wake up this morning. Did you guys get that with the one you took? Or did you just experience theses symptoms with Accutane? Thanks in advance, and would like to get my account back later, if possible.

 

Because it is similar to Accutane. You are likely ingesting toxic amounts of natural vitamin A (cod liver oil contains extremely high amounts of vitamin A), rather than a synthetic form of vitamin A(Accutane).

 

Please read the Adverse Events section of the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia....i/Cod_liver_oil

 

...And if you don't believe me or wikipedia, then ask oli girl how well cod liver oil supplementation has worked out for accutane victims in the past.



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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:17 PM

Hey guys looks like someone got ahold of my account lol. Sorry about that. This is Maweeoh. No one in real life really knows my account so I'm not sure how and I think mods might changed my pw because it doesn't work. When I found out I sorta said, 'eff it too lazy' but I could use some advice. The cod liver oil I have used ( Carlsons) has only been causing me breakouts from here on out. It started out great but now is causing me painful cystic acne. Is this normal? I wanna stick with it but a few problems also I am concerned about. It seems to be causing me large amounts of fatigue, and dark hair growth on body. It also caused me a bit of eye dryness. Seems similar to Accutane. Yeah, I know. Bet you're thinking, good thing you didn't take Accutane, stupid girl. Been taking a tablespoon now but had started off on teaspoon per day. I was stuck in bed all day so sleepy. I quit it last night and was actually able to wake up this morning. Did you guys get that with the one you took? Or did you just experience theses symptoms with Accutane? Thanks in advance, and would like to get my account back later, if possible.

 

Because it is similar to Accutane. You are likely ingesting toxic amounts of natural vitamin A (cod liver oil contains extremely high amounts of vitamin A), rather than a synthetic form of vitamin A(Accutane).

 

Please read the Adverse Events section of the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia....i/Cod_liver_oil

 

...And if you don't believe me or wikipedia, then ask oli girl how well cod liver oil supplementation has worked out for accutane victims in the past.

Joseph's been taking Blue Ice with no problems , no doubt it his high very high in NATURAL Vitamin A , and D but it has something else vitamin

 

K2 from the royal butter so it's a bit different than your standard  cod liver oil  , It's also made in a old school way , in regards to vitamin A and D

 

toxicity  those studies were all done on SYNTHETIC vitamins. The whole point of getting Fermented CLO is that the vitamins and minerals are

 

natural and work synergistically with each other like they do in other whole foods. I read natural forms of vitamin A need at least ten times the

 

amount or more in order to become toxic to the human body vs synthetic versions.

 

 

 

The claim that vitamin A in cod liver oil is toxic just doesn’t make sense in the context of traditional diets, which were very rich in vitamin A from

 

liver, organ meats, seafood and the fats of grass-fed animals. The crux of Dr. Price’s research is that the diets of healthy primitive peoples

 

contain about ten times more vitamin A than modern diets.


Edited by gladiatoro, 08 August 2013 - 07:23 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:43 PM

Joseph , years ago a nutritionist told me that taking 30,000 IUs of vitamin A per day has a similar effect on acne as Accutane, but is safer. She said

 

to do it only for three months. Too much vitamin A affects bone growth, so you must be careful.

 

 

But here is a woman named Mel who has been taking it I got this from a CLO blog , here is what she said.

 

 

Not that you need another testament for CLO, but just or the record, I have had acne (BAD….. oily, red skin and tiny little bumps that more resemble a rash than acne all over my face.chest/neck) since I was 11. I am now 22 and have tried everything under the sun (including allergy testing, homeopathic stuff, antibiotics, the pill, you name it, and yes, Accutane). Accutane worked. And then I stopped taking it. And it stopped working. Acne was back.

Then…. CLO! Green Pastures. I take it plain, a tablespoon every day. Swallow it and follow it with something strong to drown the taste. And I glow, like you said. Acne gone. Skin smooth. It’s a MIRACLE. I have never been so happy, so confident, or so surprised by what got me here.

CLO for anyone, mild to severe acne. Give it a try!

 

So it seems it's not  THAT  dangerous to take.


Edited by gladiatoro, 08 August 2013 - 09:14 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:50 PM

Joseph's been taking Blue Ice with no problems , no doubt it his high very high in NATURAL Vitamin A , and D but it has something else vitamin

 

K2 from the royal butter so it's a bit different than your standard  cod liver oil  , It's also made in a old school way , in regards to vitamin A and D

 

toxicity  those studies were all done on SYNTHETIC vitamins. The whole point of getting Fermented CLO is that the vitamins and minerals are

 

natural and work synergistically with each other like they do in other whole foods. I read natural forms of vitamin A need at least ten times the

 

amount or more in order to become toxic to the human body vs synthetic versions.

 

 

 

The claim that vitamin A in cod liver oil is toxic just doesn’t make sense in the context of traditional diets, which were very rich in vitamin A from

 

liver, organ meats, seafood and the fats of grass-fed animals. The crux of Dr. Price’s research is that the diets of healthy primitive peoples

 

contain about ten times more vitamin A than modern diets.

What point are you trying to make Gladiatoro? Is opium is much safer than oxycontin because it is natural?

 

 

From the wiki page on vitamin A:

 

In foods of animal origin, the major form of vitamin A is an ester, primarily retinyl palmitate, which is converted to retinol (chemically an alcohol) in the small intestine. The retinol form functions as a storage form of the vitamin, and can be converted to and from its visually active aldehyde form, retinal. The associated acid (retinoic acid), a metabolite that can be irreversibly synthesized from vitamin A, has only partial vitamin A activity, and does not function in the retina for the visual cycle. Retinoic acid is used for growth and cellular differentiation.[6]

  • Retinol, the form of vitamin A absorbed when eating animal food sources, is a yellow, fat-soluble substance. Since the pure alcohol form is unstable, the vitamin is found in tissues in a form of retinyl ester. It is also commercially produced and administered as esters such as retinyl acetate or palmitate.[8]

 

The carotenes alpha-carotene, beta-carotene, gamma-carotene; and the xanthophyll beta-cryptoxanthin (all of which contain beta-ionone rings), but no other carotenoids, function as provitamin A in herbivores and omnivore animals, which possess the enzyme (15-15'-dioxygenase) which cleaves beta-carotene in the intestinal mucosa and converts it to retinol.[9] In general, carnivores are poor converters of ionine-containing carotenoids, and pure carnivores such as cats and ferrets lack 15-15'-dioxygenase and cannot convert any carotenoids to retinal (resulting in none of the carotenoids being forms of vitamin A for these species).

Most supplemented vitamin A found in multivitamins is in the form of beta-carotene (NATURAL), whose molecule needs to be cleaved by enzymes before becoming active metabolites, meaning the body can limit this process by lowering the enzyme, thus preventing toxicity (but you will turn yellow if too much is ingested).

 

NOTICE THE OTHER SUPPLEMENTED FORMS ARE RETINYL ACETATE AND PALMITATE, BOTH ABSORBED WHEN EATING ANIMAL FOOD SOURCES.

 

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, THE NATURAL AND MANUFACTURED FORMS ARE BOTH THE SAME MOLECULE.

 

Maybe Polar Bear liver would be a better source of natural vitamin A than cod liver oil: http://science.howst...bear-liver1.htm

 

...and is this your exalted your Dr. Price?: http://www.quackwatc...listicdent.html

 

btw- Could you please explain to "playsomebeat", who posted her experience with cognitive and sexual side effects after taking NATURAL saw palmetto that you recommend, how she is mistaken and it must have been some synthetic food additive.


 

Joseph , years ago a nutritionist told me that taking 30,000 IUs of vitamin A per day has a similar effect on acne as Accutane, but is safer. She said

 

to do it only for three months. Too much vitamin A affects bone growth, so you must be careful.

 

 

But here is a woman named Mel who has been taking it I got this from a CLO blog , here is what she said.

 

 

Not that you need another testament for CLO, but just or the record, I have had acne (BAD….. oily, red skin and tiny little bumps that more resemble a rash than acne all over my face.chest/neck) since I was 11. I am now 22 and have tried everything under the sun (including allergy testing, homeopathic stuff, antibiotics, the pill, you name it, and yes, Accutane). Accutane worked. And then I stopped taking it. And it stopped working. Acne was back.

Then…. CLO! Green Pastures. I take it plain, a tablespoon every day. Swallow it and follow it with something strong to drown the taste. And I glow, like you said. Acne gone. Skin smooth. It’s a MIRACLE. I have never been so happy, so confident, or so surprised by what got me here.

CLO for anyone, mild to severe acne. Give it a try!

 

So it seems it's not  THAT  dangerous to take.

Most of the people on acne.org who share their experience with Accutane do not develop severe side effects.

Does that mean Accutane is not THAT dangerous to take then?

 

I just don't get your angle, or reason for posting here.

What were your side effects from accutane?

 

TTYL



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 05:01 AM

Corgi, you are taking too much. Your symptoms are somewhat similar to although not identical to what I experienced when I increased my dose. I suspect that backing off the dose to 1 teaspoon or less (1 tablespoon is way too much) in the morning only might be better for you. Also you're taking the wrong brand, and yes it makes a big difference.
 
Dubya B is correct. In general too much of any fat soluble vitamin is a bad idea. This is not an indictment of fat soluble vitamins at all. 
 
For most supplements, there is a dosage curve from no effect to beneficial to harmful.
 
"THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, THE NATURAL AND MANUFACTURED FORMS ARE BOTH THE SAME MOLECULE."
 
That is misleading. There is a great difference between eating an animal source and eating the pure concentrate of the active ingredient. 
 
We are all aware of the effects of polar bear liver hypervitaminosis A. There is nothing inherently toxic about polar bear liver, it is a question of dose. The reason we hear about polar bear liver hypervitaminosis, and not penguin liver hypervitaminosis, is because polar bear liver is much larger. 
 
If you could let up on the needless antagonism, DB, it might interest you to hear that I'm trying a testosterone cream with outstanding results. It is going on my must-take list. Of course it must be cycled, but this result is a data point in favor of the Accutane - androgen thesis. With an actionable, cheap, potentially life-transforming test - something a certain advocate of said hypothesis has never provided. 


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:54 AM

Joseph's been taking Blue Ice with no problems , no doubt it his high very high in NATURAL Vitamin A , and D but it has something else vitamin

 

K2 from the royal butter so it's a bit different than your standard  cod liver oil  , It's also made in a old school way , in regards to vitamin A and D

 

toxicity  those studies were all done on SYNTHETIC vitamins. The whole point of getting Fermented CLO is that the vitamins and minerals are

 

natural and work synergistically with each other like they do in other whole foods. I read natural forms of vitamin A need at least ten times the

 

amount or more in order to become toxic to the human body vs synthetic versions.

 

 

 

The claim that vitamin A in cod liver oil is toxic just doesn’t make sense in the context of traditional diets, which were very rich in vitamin A from

 

liver, organ meats, seafood and the fats of grass-fed animals. The crux of Dr. Price’s research is that the diets of healthy primitive peoples

 

contain about ten times more vitamin A than modern diets.

What point are you trying to make Gladiatoro? Is opium is much safer than oxycontin because it is natural?

 

 

From the wiki page on vitamin A:

 

>>In foods of animal origin, the major form of vitamin A is an ester, primarily retinyl palmitate, which is converted to retinol (chemically an alcohol) in the small intestine. The retinol form functions as a storage form of the vitamin, and can be converted to and from its visually active aldehyde form, retinal. The associated acid (retinoic acid), a metabolite that can be irreversibly synthesized from vitamin A, has only partial vitamin A activity, and does not function in the retina for the visual cycle. Retinoic acid is used for growth and cellular differentiation.[6]

  • Retinol, the form of vitamin A absorbed when eating animal food sources, is a yellow, fat-soluble substance. Since the pure alcohol form is unstable, the vitamin is found in tissues in a form of retinyl ester. It is also commercially produced and administered as esters such as retinyl acetate or palmitate.[8]

 

The carotenes alpha-carotene, beta-carotene, gamma-carotene; and the xanthophyll beta-cryptoxanthin (all of which contain beta-ionone rings), but no other carotenoids, function as provitamin A in herbivores and omnivore animals, which possess the enzyme (15-15'-dioxygenase) which cleaves beta-carotene in the intestinal mucosa and converts it to retinol.[9] In general, carnivores are poor converters of ionine-containing carotenoids, and pure carnivores such as cats and ferrets lack 15-15'-dioxygenase and cannot convert any carotenoids to retinal (resulting in none of the carotenoids being forms of vitamin A for these species).

Most supplemented vitamin A found in multivitamins is in the form of beta-carotene (NATURAL), whose molecule needs to be cleaved by enzymes before becoming active metabolites, meaning the body can limit this process by lowering the enzyme, thus preventing toxicity (but you will turn yellow if too much is ingested).

 

NOTICE THE OTHER SUPPLEMENTED FORMS ARE RETINYL ACETATE AND PALMITATE, BOTH ABSORBED WHEN EATING ANIMAL FOOD SOURCES.

 

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, THE NATURAL AND MANUFACTURED FORMS ARE BOTH THE SAME MOLECULE.

 

Maybe Polar Bear liver would be a better source of natural vitamin A than cod liver oil: http://science.howst...bear-liver1.htm

 

...and is this your exalted your Dr. Price?: http://www.quackwatc...listicdent.html

 

btw- Could you please explain to "playsomebeat", who posted her experience with cognitive and sexual side effects after taking NATURAL saw palmetto that you recommend, how she is mistaken and it must have been some synthetic food additive.


 

Joseph , years ago a nutritionist told me that taking 30,000 IUs of vitamin A per day has a similar effect on acne as Accutane, but is safer. She said

 

to do it only for three months. Too much vitamin A affects bone growth, so you must be careful.

 

 

But here is a woman named Mel who has been taking it I got this from a CLO blog , here is what she said.

 

 

Not that you need another testament for CLO, but just or the record, I have had acne (BAD….. oily, red skin and tiny little bumps that more resemble a rash than acne all over my face.chest/neck) since I was 11. I am now 22 and have tried everything under the sun (including allergy testing, homeopathic stuff, antibiotics, the pill, you name it, and yes, Accutane). Accutane worked. And then I stopped taking it. And it stopped working. Acne was back.

Then…. CLO! Green Pastures. I take it plain, a tablespoon every day. Swallow it and follow it with something strong to drown the taste. And I glow, like you said. Acne gone. Skin smooth. It’s a MIRACLE. I have never been so happy, so confident, or so surprised by what got me here.

CLO for anyone, mild to severe acne. Give it a try!

 

So it seems it's not  THAT  dangerous to take.

Most of the people on acne.org who share their experience with Accutane do not develop severe side effects.

Does that mean Accutane is not THAT dangerous to take then?

 

I just don't get your angle, or reason for posting here.

What were your side effects from accutane?

 

TTYL

 

Native americans have been taking Saw Palmetto for century's , I took it and like I said before had no negative side effects from it , in fact I

 

would go as far as saying it was beneficial , as a side effect I had hair growth and NO sexual side effects to speak of , but to each his own , just

 

because I took SP as many have on acne.org and found it beneficial does not mean others have the same experience as me we are all unique

 

in our chemistry and how we respond to supplements.

 

 

 

My long term side effects from this drug are pseudo tumor which comes and goes to varying degrees so yeah I got %^&* over by this drug plus

 

50 % hair loss and chronic dehydration .The reason I post here like others is the name of the thread " repairing the long term side effects of

 

accutane " duh... What are your reasons for posting here? What are your long term side effects of this drug?  Or did you ever even take it? And

 

the whole Cod Liver Oil thing I'm not taking it but Joseph has found it beneficial so I'm intrigued .  It's obviously high in vit A so I would

 

recommend caution with it , perhaps cycle it and use a  low dose.


Edited by gladiatoro, 09 August 2013 - 09:58 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 02:43 PM

Anyone here familiar with the work of Mark Hyman? Ultramind Solution, Immune recovery plan, Ultra Prevention, Detox Box are some of the books he wrote.



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:02 PM

Camaroz obviously has problems with saw palmetto because he took the male pattern baldness drug finasteride or propecia as it's commonly known. So his body is seriously affected by dht inhibitors or which saw palmetto is a major player. I can totally understand that, as we all know how much a synthetic drug like accutane can mess up our bodies. A normal person can eat cod liver oil and foods high in vitamin A without any problems whatsoever, accutane victims simply can't. Vitamin A f***s them up because accutane has totally messed up their ability to metabolise vitamin A. There are hardly any exceptions to this and joseph is playing a very dangerous game recommending cod liver oil to these people. 



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:39 PM

Camaroz obviously has problems with saw palmetto because he took the male pattern baldness drug finasteride or propecia as it's commonly known. So his body is seriously affected by dht inhibitors or which saw palmetto is a major player. I can totally understand that, as we all know how much a synthetic drug like accutane can mess up our bodies. A normal person can eat cod liver oil and foods high in vitamin A without any problems whatsoever, accutane victims simply can't. Vitamin A f***s them up because accutane has totally messed up their ability to metabolise vitamin A. There are hardly any exceptions to this and joseph is playing a very dangerous game recommending cod liver oil to these people. 

Yeah well if Z24 took finasteride or propecia no doubt that f&*(## him up good , I guess he didn't learn his lesson with the first drug he took  that

 

would explain  how he is seriously  affected by ANY dht inhibitors but it does not mean the rest of us are prone to this problem , Chico you are right

 

Blue Ice cod liver oil is likely dangerous for all  of us accutane sufferers and Joseph has to use EXTREME caution with this stuff it is obviously

 

loaded with Vitamin A  though as I stated some pre accutane user have used cod liver oil with no problems  but I would surely NOT recommend it

 

for long term use , maybe off and on and monitor ones body  reactions .


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