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Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

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You could take l-arginine before bed to increase your sex drive. There are many more benefits to taking it, it should help with your skin as well. Studies in mice have found it to aid in collagen synthesis. When I took it I broke out on my neck which indicates it increases sebum production.

Uhmm, so would trying l-arginine be good for the tendons since it aids in collagen synthesis?


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Chico - Could I please ask you confirm, just one more time, the exact instructions you would suggest, in order.

I just bought the 4 tinctures from Sensible Health. Postage was $50! I'll be taking those.

I'm also eating healthy. I'm just mainly confused about whether you're saying we should have Vitamin A foods or not. Another thing... I mentioned I have trouble with digestion and passing stools (even though I have so much fruit and water, it shouldn't be a problem), but I've never noticed them being grey or clay in colour. Would this still mean bile flow is an issue.

I've been unemployed for 3 weeks now, after deciding I couldn't deal with these issues alongside a boring/full-time job. It seems like I should be doing something towards my future, and all I can concentrate on is my health issues.

God help us, please.

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Indigo - Defo let us know how you get on with the herbs. i got them 10 days after ordering (the last time) and unfortunately £25 customs fee.

Chico - Another question - sorry...... Where did you buy your Eniva Vibe Cardiac And Life? The official website in the USA only seems to ship to the USA - very very annoying! If you could let me know I'd really really appreciate it.. i want to order some asap ;) If it works for at least 2 people with accutane side effects then it has to be worth a go....

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You could take l-arginine before bed to increase your sex drive. There are many more benefits to taking it, it should help with your skin as well. Studies in mice have found it to aid in collagen synthesis. When I took it I broke out on my neck which indicates it increases sebum production.

Uhmm, so would trying l-arginine be good for the tendons since it aids in collagen synthesis?

Yes. The benefits of taking it are vast. I've read its best to take it before bed.

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Hello...

Chico - Could I please ask you confirm, just one more time, the exact instructions you would suggest, in order.

I just bought the 4 tinctures from Sensible Health. Postage was $50! I'll be taking those.

I'm also eating healthy. I'm just mainly confused about whether you're saying we should have Vitamin A foods or not. Another thing... I mentioned I have trouble with digestion and passing stools (even though I have so much fruit and water, it shouldn't be a problem), but I've never noticed them being grey or clay in colour. Would this still mean bile flow is an issue.

sorted out my cons

I've been unemployed for 3 weeks now, after deciding I couldn't deal with these issues alongside a boring/full-time job. It seems like I should be doing something towards my future, and all I can concentrate on is my health issues.

God help us, please.

what are your side effects give me a list and i can help you, i know Dr khoshbins chinese bitters sorted out my constipation issues 100%. Basically it's bitter alkaline herbs that mimick bile and cause you to go the toilet around once to twice per day. The stools don't have to be grey lol they can be light brown, if your stools are a really dark brown then your bile flow is fine. If their light brown then lack of bile is causing your constipation. Thats just one symptom do you suffer from any other side effects?

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As mentioned in my previous post, Rosacea was the first side effect I got from accutane.. about a year after starting accutane. other sides include dry skin, dry lips, dry and un-nourished hair, sensitivity to certain foods which cause body aching, dry eyes, weeight gain problems. This is the main.

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eyes get red easily. struggle to gain weight. joint cracking on occasions, but not frequent.. it's more body aches which seem to happen when i eat something different.. basically food relatted im sure. lips aren't dry enough to need vaseline.. they aren't cracking. the dry skin is all over my body... not just my face and scalp. hope this helps.. ohy.. i did go 100% raw for 2 years, and have been high raw since. i feel this has controled roscea syptoms, but not much else in terms of accutane sides. side effects did start as i was on it. i was on/off for maybe 2 years.. but during this time i had time off. i was always only on 20mg and apart from my very first course when i started, i only had it once every other day, and towards the end every other third day, as i found this was enough to keep acne away.

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Indigo - Defo let us know how you get on with the herbs. i got them 10 days after ordering (the last time) and unfortunately £25 customs fee.

Chico - Another question - sorry...... Where did you buy your Eniva Vibe Cardiac And Life? The official website in the USA only seems to ship to the USA - very very annoying! If you could let me know I'd really really appreciate it.. i want to order some asap ;) If it works for at least 2 people with accutane side effects then it has to be worth a go....

Everyone needs to chill out on buying stuff :D and tell me what their specific side effects before i give any advice. I don't want to see you guys waste any money.

Hey man.

Mine consist of everything on the first post of this board

Any advice?

P.s Chinese bitters are very bitter!

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Oli girl:

Yes, L-arginine is really good for the joints. I started using it around 2 months ago. I was told it can help the liver to perform all its functions and help detox. I started using 1.5 gr (3 caps a day). It turned that it was way too much for my system to handle, my heart was racing really bad, and I felt these weird palpitations on my fingers. I have read that athletes and people in general can use up to 3.0 gr, but I believe that our livers are damaged and unable to process foods and drugs well. I reduced the dose to 500 mg (one cap), it really helped my knees, I had bad pains at night on both knees, even without walking that much or doing exercise. The pain disappeared completely. Arginine certainly won't solve long term damage from accutane but it really helped my joints. I recommend you to start taking it gradually, and see how your body responds.

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I started taking fish oil and biotin a few days ago. My face is finally producing some sebum, not a lot, but a big difference compared to before. If sebum serves no purpose then why is my skin softer and skin tone more even now?

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I feel retarded -- cognitively impaired --the past 7 days, after I woke up very sick after a night out of (foolishly) drinking alcohol while on a low dose of accutane the past 6 weeks. I've stopped taking the accutane. Going to my dermatologist in a few days.

edit: there's vitamin A in beer! fuuuuuuuuuuuckkk

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One way to repair the damage from Isotretinoin is through healthy diet plan.


A quick temper will make a fool of you soon enough


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Talkingmonkey:

I don't know if your doctor told you but you should NOT drink while you are on accutane. You could even develop hepatitis.

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Indigo - It was my plan to do the liver herbs ffrom that site in preperation for the liver flush. but based on my own experience and those confirmed here, i think such a large dose of olive oil will do more harm then good, so i've decided not to do that now,., and just stick with the herbs, and take all 4 liver tinctures, including chinese bitters, continually for as long as possible.

Hey man. I got mine through the post very quick and for some reason I didn't have to pay any import fee, which was good! My God though, the tinctures taste awful.

Any signs that they're working for you as of yet?

On a side note, a while back, I bought a book called 'Liver detox plan', which is by Xandria Williams. I had a quick glance through a chapter last night called 'What goes wrong' - which talks about what goes wrong when the liver isn't doing a good job. It matches me on a lot of levels (Eye problems, digestive system problems, bone problems, anxiety, brain fog, low energy), so that confirms what we know anyway - Despite what blood tests show about the liver, they do not prove what's going on inside, and our livers need all the help they can get. The book (which I will read thoroughly soon) also mentioned about bile production.

Hope you're well.

P.S, Having read many books, one which I've read is 'You can heal your life' by Louise Hay. Chinese medicine would agree that negative feelings and thoughts create problems in the body, so it is important to take a different approach to this. Although I don't believe purely with positive thinking we can repair the damage, I do believe it is an important factor in healing and drawing positive results towards us. If the law of attraction is to be believed (and we all know there is more to life than what we can see) then we might even be in this situation because we were thinking negatively (I.e. hating ourselves when we had acne).

All the best amigo.

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Hi Indigo - Nothing much has cahnged from my last updates. My tongue and mouth is more watery, lips are lovely and supple and moist, eyes are more moist and skin is more moist and less dry.What I've noticed is my knees look nice and normal... before they were quite a dry skin area. So basically to sum up, the herbs seem to of hydrated my body, which is very welcome. I wish I could report something more groundbreaking, but hopefully this will come in time. What about you, and how loong have you been taking them? Todays been exactly 4 weeks for me. last day today of the bitters to give a weeks rest, but tomorrow restart the gccg after having a week off. i emailed the lady of sensible health and she has you don't need to give any break at all for the coptis and curcuma so i'll continuall yt ake this.basically what ive been doing is chinese bitters when i wake (1tsp), gcg before lunch (1tbsp) and curcuma and coptis together before bed (1tbsp each). Oh, I just receivved any other pack of the tinctures today... noo import fees this time :) . started eniva vibe yesturday and conued today. very low dose. now im taking only 4 liver tinctures from sensible health and eniva vibe, nothing else. going by what chico said, chiese bitters for bile flow, and the eniva for removing the accutane from the vitamin a cell receptors. coptis also stimulates bile flow, hopefuly this and the other 2 tinctures will really get the liver and bile working!

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Hi Indigo - Nothing much has cahnged from my last updates. My tongue and mouth is more watery, lips are lovely and supple and moist, eyes are more moist and skin is more moist and less dry.What I've noticed is my knees look nice and normal... before they were quite a dry skin area. So basically to sum up, the herbs seem to of hydrated my body, which is very welcome. I wish I could report something more groundbreaking, but hopefully this will come in time. What about you, and how loong have you been taking them? Todays been exactly 4 weeks for me. last day today of the bitters to give a weeks rest, but tomorrow restart the gccg after having a week off. i emailed the lady of sensible health and she has you don't need to give any break at all for the coptis and curcuma so i'll continuall yt ake this.basically what ive been doing is chinese bitters when i wake (1tsp), gcg before lunch (1tbsp) and curcuma and coptis together before bed (1tbsp each). Oh, I just receivved any other pack of the tinctures today... noo import fees this time :) . started eniva vibe yesturday and conued today. very low dose. now im taking only 4 liver tinctures from sensible health and eniva vibe, nothing else. going by what chico said, chiese bitters for bile flow, and the eniva for removing the accutane from the vitamin a cell receptors. coptis also stimulates bile flow, hopefuly this and the other 2 tinctures will really get the liver and bile working!

Sweet man :)

Sounds good. Let's hope we're on the right track now. Where did you get the enviva vibe from? I may wait and see how it goes for you before investing in yet another product though :P

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Chico - I have a question about how exactly the Eniva Vibe should work? I know you explained in one of your early posts that because it is a liquid form of fat soluable vitamin a, that it can be easily digested and used in the cels to replace the retonioc acid. But what is the actual difference of the vitamin a in eniva vibe, and the vitamin a in, for example, carrot juice? (as carrots are really high in vitamin a)i've got a juicer and could juice carrots so in theory i could consume the equivilent amount of vitamin a from the carrot juice as in the eniva vibe (if i calculated it) and as carrot juice is obviosly a liquid like eniva is could be easily digested. Carrots contain vitamin a in the form of beta carotene, but eniva vibe is also in the form of beta carotene isn't it, as all the ingredients in eniva are from vegetable sources. If you could clear this up, it would be really good. Thanks.

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If you want my honest advice i think a very clean diet with supps that enhance bile flow is the first port of call, thats number 1 and number 2 respectively.

Clean diet- raw fruits, raw vegetables, salads, greens, ginger, chilli, i juice 2-3 x beetroot and apples, ginger and lemon daily and drink that. Some quinoa and brown basmati rice, legumes...cannelini beans, kidney beans, butter beans etc. Occasional local potatoe's or root vegetables. Young coconuts, coconut oil, water. I eat mostly organic, i take sunwarrior or brown rice protein if i'm working out.

thats the main body of my diet. Notice no retinol containing foods.

Liver supp- Milk thistle Physotome is good i've been using it recently. Dr Khoshbins Livotox is good. I prefer the ones without alcohol in them from my experience, the body seems to react to alcohol badly. I'd recommend Milk Thistle Physotome above livotox because of this reason. Look at other cholastasis reversing formulas.

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Thanks chico.

At the bottom you said two ways..

Apart from Eniva what's the other choice? Cheers

How long will this take, do you know? Any estimate? That eniva is expensive stuff to keep buying every month!

And also... You said you're from the UK at one point I believe.

Where do you buy Livotox? They only seem to deliver to the US and canada

Thanks

If you want my honest advice i think a very clean diet with supps that enhance bile flow is the first port of call, thats number 1 and number 2 respectively.

Clean diet- raw fruits, raw vegetables, salads, greens, ginger, chilli, i juice 2-3 x beetroot and apples, ginger and lemon daily and drink that. Some quinoa and brown basmati rice, legumes...cannelini beans, kidney beans, butter beans etc. Occasional local potatoe's or root vegetables. Young coconuts, coconut oil, water. I eat mostly organic, i take sunwarrior or brown rice protein if i'm working out.

thats the main body of my diet. Notice no retinol containing foods.

Liver supp- Milk thistle Physotome is good i've been using it recently. Dr Khoshbins Livotox is good. I prefer the ones without alcohol in them from my experience, the body seems to react to alcohol badly. I'd recommend Milk Thistle Physotome above livotox because of this reason. Look at other cholastasis reversing formulas.

Now this is the third part getting the accutane out of the cell. Two ways to go about this firstly taking Eniva Vibe, if your taking the UK version take 1/2floz in the morning at noon and 1/2floz at night around midnight. Don't exceed this dose, thats around 75-80% RDA Vitamin A per day. No more than that. While your taking it do not take any retinol containing foods whatsoever, no eggs, no milk, no cheese, no fish, no liver or processed foods of any kind, or other multivitamins.

I'd start slow, Remember diets so very important too, all three are important. The liver being the most important as it is the route of the problem in the first place.

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Great post once again Chico - we are really appreciate your advice.

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Chico...

What would be the main purpose of Milk Thistle Physotome? Just antioxidant activity? Is it different to standard Milk Thistle?

Thank you

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I want to follow up on a question that Indigo asked - how long after taking these things can we expect to see a dramatic improvement from the accutane side effects? For example, if I took herbs for the bile/cholastasis which youy mentioned and Eniva Vibe both continuously could i expect to have dramatic reduction in side effects by the end of this year? Did you feel better as soon as you started taking the Eniva and liver /bile herbs, or did it take weeks, or did it take persueing with them for months before getting better?

Should one take the bile/liver herbs for a while first before taking the Eniva?

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Hi Guys...

I was reading 'Liver detox plan' by Xandria Williams, which so far seems very good.

She's just talking about the various things (fruit/veg/etc) that support the liver.

One thing stuck out for me..

On the topic of amino acids, which is the part I'm at now, she's listed all 12.

One is called glutathione. Below I will link a product:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0019LW...store&psc=1

Here's what she writes:

'Glutathione contains three amino acids, one of them being cysteine, and it improves the capacity of your liver to detoxify environmental pollutants, DRUGS and other chemicals. It can convert FAT-SOLUBLE TOXINS into water-soluble toxins for elimination via the urine, thus decreasing the work of your liver and the need for their elimination via the gall bladder and bile duct and avoiding the possibility of their reabsorption from the digestive tract. Glutamine helps boost immune function, is a powerful antioxidant and helps to slow down the aging process'

Would I be wrong in thinking this suggests that it could eliminate the accutane that has been stored in our bodies? It's interesting. Again, pretty pricey, but even if it doesn't work, it's for detoxing the liver so can't hurt.

Any thoughts?

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