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Wow I just ordered Leo's book off of his site. Does anyone else think this is the most frustrating thing they have ever read? I just wasted $40 to find out I need to drink Raw f**king goat's milk. I can't believe how stressed I am today, what a lousy morning. So back to the "YOUR LAST ACNE SOLUTION" , has anyone tried it and is it really worth all the time and money, and more importantly THE MONEY, he expects ppl, college students, to dish out all this money on goats milk, tons and tons of supplements, and all the other bullsh*t he writes about. Sure let me order all the books he reccomends as well hmmmm.... What he says makes sense with liver function and hormones, but good lord I can only do so much... Yeah so I have an appointment tomorow with my derm, accutane is soundin a hell of a lot better then goats milk.

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Don't believe everything you read.

Especially if it has cliches like 'Your Last Solution' and/or 'Ultimate Cure' in it.

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Yeah no doubt, and I posted in their forums, and they are all reallllly biased. Leo is god to them and they would suck goats milk from his nipples if they could.

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i just actually ordered this book today, but i havent gotten to download it because my computer crashed *sigh*.. but anyways, from the few tidbits ive gotten from his book, it is really good. it covers all aspects that need to be dealt with. it is very extensive. goats milk is AMAZING for healing the gut lining. and i would think anyone who has acne needs their gut lining to be healed. (most people who suffer from acne have a condition called 'leaky gut') leaky gut is tiny tears in the gut lining that allow food particles into the blood stream, which can cause an inflammatory reaction (acne) but goats milk heals this up. just curious, since i havent gotten to read it yet, when he says he wants u to drink raw goats milk, does he mean the unpastuerized kind you can get at organic grocery stores? or does he mean get the stuff directly from the goat..lol


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coLe, he will give you your money back if you ask for it. I ordered it, decided it was junk, and got my money back through his guarantee system. I think all I paid for was a stamp to request the refund (it was some kind of weird system where you actually had to mail the refund request in, but it was on the up and up).

Recently I found a combination of topicals that have been really effective for me. My oily skin is both a blessing and a curse, curse: acne, blessing: it seems to make me practically invulnerable to dryness/irritation. My current regimen involves salicylic acid, benzoyl peroxide, and alpha hydroxy acid; I can only suggest this regimen for those with fairly tough skin. I have never been so clear (I am 23). Anyway, I don't want to go into too many details about it here since this is the diet section of the boards, I intend to post details of my regimen soon in the "My regimen" area; let me know if you are interested. In my experience over the last few years I have found that topicals are the only thing that really work, that and some prescriptions. All of that diet stuff, doesn't seem to do a thing.

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Try not to be scammed out of your hard earned money.. This is really no different than those ab-tronic things and the million of other infomercials you see on TV.. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

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It's a shame you couldnt' have gotten it for $20 like I did. Granted that was 2 years ago, but just this past Fall, it was still $20. It's a good book, but not everyone has to do ALL of that to get clear. Plus he leaves a few things out that others have used to get clear and I doubt he's added that in there. The good thing is that he finally figured out that androgens and diet play a role.


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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sweetjade, since I paid the full $40 is there anyway you could let me in on what you know so I at least feel I got SOMETHING out of this. bb_wink.gif I have just had a pretty shitty day, skin is not looking good, and I am overall in a pretty depressed sort of mood. I read the book and it mentions hormones, but I dont recall reading about androgens, and his diet is crazy, and there is no way I can afford to pay for all his supplements. Anyways, jade if you could help me out it might help my day rebound... bb_eusa_wall.gif

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sorry forgot to answer caroline's question, he wants you to hunt down unpasteurized goats milk through a local farmer, I happen to go to college so I don't have this luxury. Then you have to make the kiefer stuff from it, which that in itself is absurd, last time I checked dorm rooms aren't for making dairy products... bb_eusa_naughty.gif

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i think ill probably buy it from the organic grocery store (although i live in the country, im sure i could find it here haha ) i think at whole foods u can get kefir from goats milk, so i think we can meet in the middle.. because i think hunting down a goat for its milk is a little overboard lol


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ohh an just out of curiosity, do you ever get a real book? a hard back one? or is it just the downloaded one off the net?


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Well shit, I have really done it this time, I got caught in a field by a farmer. I almost made way with two buckets of fresh squeezed goats milk! He made me drink both the buckets in front of him. He stood there grinning with his pitchfork as I chugged both buckets clean of the sour mucus looking milk. When I finished off the milk he ushered me into his house where I waited for the police to get there. While we waited we made with some small talk, he asked why I would steal his liquid gold. I replied, "Leo Kiessen's diet calls for it, I saw your goats from the road so I figured I'd give it a try..."

He cut me off and said, "Ohhhhh Leo's diet, you fell for that bullshit too? Heck, he's got it all wrong, what you need is camel's milk." He still pressed charges and now I am posting this message from the State Penetentary, and yes the stress has caused breakouts.

I kid,

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oh heavens bb_icon_rolleyes.gif See what happens?

He he anyway, no you don't get an actual book, all you get is this over 200page E book. I still heaven't read through it all, but I went back to it a couple of months ago and read more of it and realized that I could have saved myself several hours of research had I just finised reading his book. The stuff he has would take you several hundred hours to obtain, confirm,etc. So I understand why he charges, but I don't believe it should be THAT much.

If he hasn't mentioned androgens & diet, then his updated website gave me that false impression. Although he did mention androgens to some extent when he mentioned Beta-Sitosterol (thanks leo). Does he talk about the role insulin plays?


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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He mentions insulin production during puberty and how it can affect the liver and acne. I wish someone would read through all of it for me and let me in on the highlights that work. Heh I can dream..... and also be lazy at the same time bb_icon_cool.gif

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smile.gif im gonna read through all of it this weekend, id be happy to make an outline of the most important issues.. because im gonna try probably everything he suggests smile.gif

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Caroline, if you outline it, it would be very cool if you could hook up a copy of your outline. Don't get me wrong I have read the majority of the book, but I think it would just be handy to have as a guide. I am not quite sure how much of it I willl follow, but I'm sure there are some useful little nuggets somewhere in all that madness. smile.gif Let me know what works for you, I am definetly interested in what you find out.

On a side note I went to their forums again and there are ppl on is treatment plan and they said it's been a year since they started with llittle success, but remain optimistic for the results they are looking for. Seems odd to me, but hey to each their own.

mmmm cliffnotes,

coLe

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Cole,

Thanks it's interesting that he still hasn't connected the fact that insulin production boosts androgen production. His diet isn't the main focus, is it? He mainly pushes for detoxing & cleansing and mentions how you should go about eating certain food for proper metabolism, right?


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Well, I think he definetly pushes for the cleansing processes, but at the same time the main thing I get from his babbling is supplementation and EFA's. I mean I agree supplementing EFA's can only help your body, but they only do so much. As for diet, I dont think he stresses it as a big factor for acne, which I agree with, but however if you were to go by his suggestions you can't eat very much. What do you think about insulin and how it is affected by food? Do you think there is a link between what we eat and insulin? I mean I have heard all the refined sugars, carbs, and all that hooplah. I am interested in what your views are on insulin production. Also on a side note how is your complextion? You seem to be quite knowledgable. I'd like to hear what you have to say about all this.

coLe

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Well, I think he definetly pushes for the cleansing processes, but at the same time the main thing I get from his babbling is supplementation and EFA's. I mean I agree supplementing EFA's can only help your body, but they only do so much.

These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Well jade, you seem to put things in a perspective that even I can see why they could be causing probelsm for me. Is there anyway you could take some time with me and we can discuss my diet and complextion and perhaps what I need to add/eliminate to my diet. Thats great to hear you are 99% clear, I love to hear about ppl overcoming acne, and I hope to soon be able to post a topic saying how clear my skin is now, and what exactly I did to achieve my results, but for now I am still learning.

On a side note I have been taking my Minocycline, using neutragena's on the spot bp, and also have been taking supplements that I recieved from www.valeenterprises.com

two of them support liver health, one is for adding back in friendly bacteria, a artichoke extract, and also a flax boost. I started doing this just yesterday, and my active acne has dried up significantly and two marks on my cheeks are a lot less inflamed, quite frankly I am suprised I am getting reults so fast, but this could also mean I'm just not getting new acne at the time. I normally get 1-3 zits a week, normally one being of significant size and the others go away after a few days. Also I have had very mild acne on my upper back and in teh past week it has disappeared, red marks and all, pretty amazing.

So jade, if I could have some sort of diet consultation with you I would really appreciate it, any advice you could give me would be grand, and I look forward to hearing from you.

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Cole/Jade,

I'd like to be involved in this conversation myself, if you two don't mind. I don't dispute the whole diet thing - but I've also wondered why my acne came and went over the years when my diet never changed. In fact, my acne got worse as I got older and became more concious of what I was eating. I quit smoking, I reduced my coffee intake, I never did eat fast food and still don't, and I've tried to avoid a lot of sugar products. I had very good success with a hormone cream - but it's not a 100% cure either. It just seemed to cure my hormonal acne, I guess.

I haven't read that many books on diet/skin - I also can't afford these people who want you to buy their 150.00 dollars-a-month supplement products. That is just way out of my league. So I am definitely not as familiar with the majority of this insulin/carb/dairy versus clear skin concept.

I'd be very interested in hearing what you've learned thus far.

Thanks!

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Hiya, Lookingtobelear, What is this hormonal cream you speak of? bb_eusa_eh.gif I would love for us all to be able to chat and compare and contrast, let's see what jade says, three heads are better then one! dry.gif < smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

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CoLe,

Minocycline helped clear my face (95%) & back (100%) up too. I was only on it for 3 months and was still taking Birth Control and Spironolactone. Yet, despite the anti-androgens I was on, once I stopped it my acne became worse than before, and even spread to new areas that still haunt me occasionally to this day. So if I'm glad you are taking the artichoke extract (heard it's good for many things) while you are doing this, otherwise....I won't say anything further.

As for your supplements, they could be helping out too and will hopefully offset any medications you are taking and if you do end up taking accutane. Flaxseed contains lignans that act as DHT inhibitors but they also act as estrogen inhibitors (males) and those concerned with certain cancers should like that. Antibiotics work by reducing inflammation, so taking omega 6s, and other forms to fight inflammation should also work. Some people are very responsive to supplements and others aren't, and I'm very glad to hear that you are doing well at the moment.

lookingtobeclear,

I'm also interested in what hormonal cream you are using. I'm only aware of two kinds for females, estrogen or progesterone creams. I suppose they can also be mixed too. Among the boards, the popular choice would be NPC (natural progesterone cream) for those that lack (regular) menstrual cycles and breakout.

Also, to make it easier, I'll start a new thread for your other concerns.

Bye for now


These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):

* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)

* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002

* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)

* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):

* Strengthen/Repair GI - Immune health

Research:

* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).

* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.


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Why would you spend 40 bucks on a book that is full of babble that isn't going to do anything to your skin? blink.gifbb_icon_rolleyes.gif just MHO. lol


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