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Everyone has their own opinion on acne based on what they've seen themselves and heard from others......

was wondering.....,

Does anyone on here believe massive cystic acne can be completely resolved to 100% clearance and maintained without oral antibiotics or accutane.....?

(I'd be curious to hear any strong opinions out there......... holistic people, veterans, moderators....?)

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i think it can, only with time. in other words, you can outgrow it. for women birth control or spiro might be able to clear it.


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I would say yes. My theory is that being really tense, or emotional distressed, or possibly even anxious affects how your skin breaks out. My skin went from red regular acne (highschool 17-18), to boils/cysts (18-25).

The antibiotics that was prescribed to me by my derma, re leaved the boils and cysts, but it always came back after a while, times 10.

If I could go back in time, id change the way I coped with everyday stress. I think we get acne at a young age because we do not know how to control our emotions, stress, and fatigue. If we just made our bodies more calm and less tense, I think it will bring your acne down to a normal state.

But what do I know. 8 years with acne, pimples, cysts, boils, maybe I just grew out of it? or maybe I took a different approach with stress. I know that i took a different approach and it worked. Maybe because the last alternative that my doctor offered was accutane, and I didnt want to try accutane, because of all the side effects


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5. The Blind Assassin by Margaret Atwood

6. Water for Elephants by Sara Gruen

7. A thousand acres by Jane smiley

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It depends. How bad of cystic acne are you talking about? I've seen some pictures of acne that would make me cringe, then I've seen people with one or two small cysts and they would call that "massive cystic acne".

I think besides the extreme cystic acne, there is an internal cure for all acne. It could be a combination of diet, liver/kidney/bowel flushing, supplements and lifestyle changes.

Are you really a doctor?

Everyone has their own opinion on acne based on what they've seen themselves and heard from others......

was wondering.....,

Does anyone on here believe massive cystic acne can be completely resolved to 100% clearance and maintained without oral antibiotics or accutane.....?

(I'd be curious to hear any strong opinions out there......... holistic people, veterans, moderators....?)


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yeah.......... and a former sufferer (15 yrs...)

I'm curious what everyone's views are on this topic based on what they've personally experienced or seen in their friends and family...

It depends. How bad of cystic acne are you talking about? I've seen some pictures of acne that would make me cringe, then I've seen people with one or two small cysts and they would call that "massive cystic acne".

I think besides the extreme cystic acne, there is an internal cure for all acne. It could be a combination of diet, liver/kidney/bowel flushing, supplements and lifestyle changes.

Are you really a doctor?

Everyone has their own opinion on acne based on what they've seen themselves and heard from others......

was wondering.....,

Does anyone on here believe massive cystic acne can be completely resolved to 100% clearance and maintained without oral antibiotics or accutane.....?

(I'd be curious to hear any strong opinions out there......... holistic people, veterans, moderators....?)

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what are your views? personally, i know the only things that got rid of my cysts were antibiotics (only cephalexin worked), accutane, and corticosteroid injections.


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I believe the system is going to change............. (hopefully I'll be leading the front..... I agree with everyone on this forum that waiting 2 months to see a practitioner for 5 minutes only to be sent away for another 4 months is not the way to treat a difficult condition....... Dan has done a really good thing for a lot of people who felt dismissed by the system....)

I'm on these boards all the time because I'm obsessed with severe acne treatment without any oral medication.....

I'll keep you updated on the results of my 2 year research project.......

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how is it treated without any oral treatments? i just know if i didn't take accutane i would still have acne. it might have gone away on it's own if i got rid of my stress, because i think stress made it worse. that, and a lack of sleep. but i can't figure out how to get rid of stress, since there are stress-inducing things going on in my life that i have to deal with, i can't just ignore. not to mention that the acne caused more stress.


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People still haven't realized that knowlege isn't always power when it comes to healthcare...... it actually hurts people sometimes...... kind of like in my quote below.....

I said it before on here........... if everyone wants to be as knowledgeable as a doctor on acne then they will inevitably be "doctors" treating themselves....... Every real doctor knows this leads to failure....

(although, of course, I understand the tempation of replacing an $250 old man in a white coat for a 5 dollar bottle of lotion)

for example....., the doctors I've seen as patients in my practice are the worst patients ever......... the worst.......

just took care of one the other day who was doing poorly(not with acne) because he didn't do as I instructed, and instead used his own opinion to override the instructions......

when you can understand this phenomena, you'll truly understand why the internet has real side effects..... People have no faith or trust in other people who take money from them.......(there's a reflex out there that if you pay for something, then you're being duped.............. there's no partnership anymore......

I'm starting to see a whole new culture of chronic sufferers........ the ultra-intellectuals......... they classically do much worse than my simpler old fashioned trusting patients......

medicine is a art............... not a science.

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I can see your point, but when I first went to the derma, he gave me clyndomicin the topical, and an antibiotic. I tried the topical, but made my face red, dry, and irritated. So I used alot less, I monitored my face carefully, I was breaking it more and more b/c of that medicine.

So 3 months passed by, I went to see him, I could tell he knew I didnt use the topical medicine. the antibiotic did stop the boils.

You have to understand, If something is severe, we do listen to what the doctors say. But if we know it breaks out skin out, and makes it more red after a week or 2 weeks, then we are not going to use it.

He kept giving me more and more topical medicines, when I knew it wouldnt work. Retin A did nothing, benzol peroxide 15%, nothing, I told him it made my skin more and more itchy, he gave me benzol peroxide 5%. I just said, the hell with him. The antibiotics were working more productively.

I kept telling him the topicals do not work, only the antibiotics, but he kept giving me more and more topicals, and finally said no more antibiotics, last resort accutane.

There is no partnership because, it takes 3 months to even see a dermatologist! It takes 2 sec for them to give us cortisone.

Also, everyone has different skin. I know doctors have alot of medicine at their disposal, but sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, if it doesnt work for me, I will not use it.


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1. Fall on your knees by Ann-marie macdonald

2. A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini

3. A Fine Balance by Rohinton Mistry

4. God of small things by Arundhati Roy

5. The Blind Assassin by Margaret Atwood

6. Water for Elephants by Sara Gruen

7. A thousand acres by Jane smiley

8. The girl who played with fire by Stieg Larsson

9. The girl who kicked the hornet's nest by Stieg Larsson

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i've been able to get my skin 100% clear, but only after 3 courses of accutane. however, maintenance has been a challenge. i recently began the regimen and i have hope that it will keep my skin 100% clear.


DKR REGIMEN

morning

dessert essence jojoba oil, purpose gentle cleansing wash, paula's choice 1% BHA gel (to unclog pores), acne.org 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel, complex 15 moisturizing lotion

throughout the day as needed

alpha hydrox enhanced lotion, generic oil absorbing sheets, 200 mg ibuprofen

night

dessert essence jojoba oil, purpose gentle cleansing wash, paula's choice 1% BHA gel (to unclog pores), acne.org 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel, cetaphil moisturizing cream mixed with jojoba oil

DIET

whole grains, fresh fish, fresh poultry, fresh vegetables, lots of water, low cholesterol, low salt, no red meat, no trans fats, no hydrogenated oils, no sugar, no processed grains

DAILY DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS

3000 mg whole food multi-vitamins, 1000 mg sustained release pantothenic acid, 1000 mg salmon oil (120 mg EPA, 20 mg DHA), 540 mg saw palmetto, 500 mcg chromium picolinate, 470 mg green tea extract, 400 mg turmeric extract, 300 mcg biotin, 50 mg zinc, 2 mg copper, calcium-magnesium complex

my dkr log

my diet/holistic log

resolving stubborn acne while on dan's regimen


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It's been impossible for me to fight off hormonal severe acne without antibiotics. They really help, but only when you take them, and my severe acne only started when I was 17, 4 years after I started having mild ones.

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I believe that the acne itself can absolutely be cleared without the use of any oral medications.

The real problem though; will it be cleared in a reasonably short amount of time, and with minimal scarring? In most severe, nodulo-cystic cases i'd be inclined to say no.


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you and I agree....,

If there is a shortage of dermatologists in every town except NY and L.A., and people can't get in when treatment is not going as planned....., there will inevitably be countless treatment failures....

Imagine if you couldn't get a doctor's appointment in 3 months for other chronic conditions........like gastritis for example......, imagine how many more people would show up in the E.R. with perforated ulcers.....

the system is headed for a change in this field....... in the meantime...., wynne is going to stay busy.... ;)

I can see your point, but when I first went to the derma, he gave me clyndomicin the topical, and an antibiotic. I tried the topical, but made my face red, dry, and irritated. So I used alot less, I monitored my face carefully, I was breaking it more and more b/c of that medicine.

So 3 months passed by, I went to see him, I could tell he knew I didnt use the topical medicine. the antibiotic did stop the boils.

You have to understand, If something is severe, we do listen to what the doctors say. But if we know it breaks out skin out, and makes it more red after a week or 2 weeks, then we are not going to use it.

He kept giving me more and more topical medicines, when I knew it wouldnt work. Retin A did nothing, benzol peroxide 15%, nothing, I told him it made my skin more and more itchy, he gave me benzol peroxide 5%. I just said, the hell with him. The antibiotics were working more productively.

I kept telling him the topicals do not work, only the antibiotics, but he kept giving me more and more topicals, and finally said no more antibiotics, last resort accutane.

There is no partnership because, it takes 3 months to even see a dermatologist! It takes 2 sec for them to give us cortisone.

Also, everyone has different skin. I know doctors have alot of medicine at their disposal, but sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, if it doesnt work for me, I will not use it.

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I dont think massive cystic acne can be cured without medication (except time of course)

Currently recovering from a bout of massive cystic acne thanks to Vitamin B5

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It's not "cured".....

It's just in 99-100% contol these days.......(perfectly clear for 6 days of every week, minimimal occational tiny bumps, and not uncomfortably oily). I'm very happy with it. I couldn't get it like this for years....... tried everything, paid for every service, fought hard every day.....(I'm a former bodybuilder so I know how to stick to a tight regimen........ and still failed.....time and time again.....)

After working with many chemists, dermatologists, and aestheticians over several years, I designed my own formulation of products and a program that I use now. It's dope....

The problem is this....... If I released them carelessly like proactiv or murad, they would be amazing for some, help others partially, and not be enough for some........ leaving the minority even more helpless (the proactive / acne.org phenomena) i.e. "I've tried everything"

If you've read my prior posts, I always speak about the doctor/patient relationship because acne is hard to treat, and sometimes requires a ton of energy from an ultra-expert to get someone together....

My goal in the near future is to create a way to get my program to the world without letting the minority down.....

Think about it.... what if I released a product and program that worked for 95% of people....... what would happen to the 5% who thinks "It doesn't work for me"......... they will be left even more hopeless and isolated (kind of like the accutane failures on this board)

I'm unwilling to release any product line unless I can assure myself that people won't slip through the cracks....

I may have to make myself available as the personal customer service representative, or maybe make such an extensive library of dvd's that could accompany the products and help people who were still struggling......

Acne is a relentless chronic condition......, and its careless for me or anyone else to underestimate its power......

I'll let you know when I have found a way to release my program to the world in a responsible and ethical way....

talk soon,

Dr.N

Dr Neal

How did you cure your acne?

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Just wondering if there is any known relationship between adrenal fatigue/exhaustion and cysts? My cysts definitely came on through stress, and I have been diagnosed now with adrenal exhaustion (my cortisol levels were 50 per cent higher than they should have been for ages). It seems to make sense that if there is a relationship between stress and cysts, that adrenals may play a role?

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Just wondering if there is any known relationship between adrenal fatigue/exhaustion and cysts? My cysts definitely came on through stress, and I have been diagnosed now with adrenal exhaustion (my cortisol levels were 50 per cent higher than they should have been for ages). It seems to make sense that if there is a relationship between stress and cysts, that adrenals may play a role?

stress definitely makes my acne worse.


DKR REGIMEN

morning

dessert essence jojoba oil, purpose gentle cleansing wash, paula's choice 1% BHA gel (to unclog pores), acne.org 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel, complex 15 moisturizing lotion

throughout the day as needed

alpha hydrox enhanced lotion, generic oil absorbing sheets, 200 mg ibuprofen

night

dessert essence jojoba oil, purpose gentle cleansing wash, paula's choice 1% BHA gel (to unclog pores), acne.org 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel, cetaphil moisturizing cream mixed with jojoba oil

DIET

whole grains, fresh fish, fresh poultry, fresh vegetables, lots of water, low cholesterol, low salt, no red meat, no trans fats, no hydrogenated oils, no sugar, no processed grains

DAILY DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS

3000 mg whole food multi-vitamins, 1000 mg sustained release pantothenic acid, 1000 mg salmon oil (120 mg EPA, 20 mg DHA), 540 mg saw palmetto, 500 mcg chromium picolinate, 470 mg green tea extract, 400 mg turmeric extract, 300 mcg biotin, 50 mg zinc, 2 mg copper, calcium-magnesium complex

my dkr log

my diet/holistic log

resolving stubborn acne while on dan's regimen


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learning the pathophysiology of stress on the body does nothing for the problem of stress.....

put all of your energy into stress reducing activities.......... knowledge isn't always power......

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I'd say knowledge is always power; it just depends on what you do with it.

Personally, and referring to other medical treatment, not acne, but I think it applies in general:

I do massive amounts of research. I do not feel safe messing around with my body without knowing as much as I can about it. I follow my doctor's instructions to the letter and ask him if I've read something that contradicts with what he's saying. I actually do this because I've done research and have a better idea of what can happen if I screw up my meds. Also, I don't think I'd trust him as much if I had to take his word as the word of god.

I get full 30 minute appointments with him (an hour for huge and/or scary med changes), and he doesn't get to scratch the surface of all it's helpful to know about meds and such. And some people might get a 10 minute appointment for something as serious as Accutane . . . If my doc was a derm, I believe that'd be worth an hour . . .

On the actual topic:

I don't think something chronic, like acne, can be treated without chronic treatment, unless it's just a hormonal teenage thing or due to another transient medical condition/medication. Although, I'm coming from the prospective of a person who is going to be heavily medicated for the rest of her life anyways, so simple acceptance of the prospect of life-long treatment for acne, unfortunately, comes quite easily to me.

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knowledge as power is a well known cliche that applies to many aspects of life....

I'm offering a situation where that rule does not always apply........ stay open to a new idea here.....

as stated, when it come to stress....., knowledge of the function or chemistry of stress does nothing for a patient....

It's only in the taking part in stress reducing activities, that stress can be reduced......

over-intelligence has side effects.............(i.e. stress)...... people on here could benefit from a little more physical intelligence and awareness rather than only western scientific understanding.......(especially in regards to the important topic of stress....)

I'd say knowledge is always power; it just depends on what you do with it.

Personally, and referring to other medical treatment, not acne, but I think it applies in general:

I do massive amounts of research. I do not feel safe messing around with my body without knowing as much as I can about it. I follow my doctor's instructions to the letter and ask him if I've read something that contradicts with what he's saying. I actually do this because I've done research and have a better idea of what can happen if I screw up my meds. Also, I don't think I'd trust him as much if I had to take his word as the word of god.

I get full 30 minute appointments with him (an hour for huge and/or scary med changes), and he doesn't get to scratch the surface of all it's helpful to know about meds and such. And some people might get a 10 minute appointment for something as serious as Accutane . . . If my doc was a derm, I believe that'd be worth an hour . . .

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there may be purely non-medicinal ways to effectively treat severe cystic acne, but i haven't found any in my 30 years with this condition.


DKR REGIMEN

morning

dessert essence jojoba oil, purpose gentle cleansing wash, paula's choice 1% BHA gel (to unclog pores), acne.org 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel, complex 15 moisturizing lotion

throughout the day as needed

alpha hydrox enhanced lotion, generic oil absorbing sheets, 200 mg ibuprofen

night

dessert essence jojoba oil, purpose gentle cleansing wash, paula's choice 1% BHA gel (to unclog pores), acne.org 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel, cetaphil moisturizing cream mixed with jojoba oil

DIET

whole grains, fresh fish, fresh poultry, fresh vegetables, lots of water, low cholesterol, low salt, no red meat, no trans fats, no hydrogenated oils, no sugar, no processed grains

DAILY DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS

3000 mg whole food multi-vitamins, 1000 mg sustained release pantothenic acid, 1000 mg salmon oil (120 mg EPA, 20 mg DHA), 540 mg saw palmetto, 500 mcg chromium picolinate, 470 mg green tea extract, 400 mg turmeric extract, 300 mcg biotin, 50 mg zinc, 2 mg copper, calcium-magnesium complex

my dkr log

my diet/holistic log

resolving stubborn acne while on dan's regimen


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knowledge as power is a well known cliche that applies to many aspects of life....

I'm offering a situation where that rule does not always apply........ stay open to a new idea here.....

as stated, when it come to stress....., knowledge of the function or chemistry of stress does nothing for a patient....

It's only in the taking part in stress reducing activities, that stress can be reduced......

over-intelligence has side effects.............(i.e. stress)...... people on here could benefit from a little more physical intelligence and awareness rather than only western scientific understanding.......(especially in regards to the important topic of stress....)

To reapply my example to stress, I'm very suspicious (to the point of causing stress?) when asked to do things without explanation. If I hear how stress works physiologically and then hear how my cognitive and/or behavorial coping skills translate into a physiological reaction to reduce stress, I'm much more likely to trust, and therefore use, said coping skills. I don't think I'm alone, especially not on this message board.

If my therapist goes through all the trouble of explaining, simply, the current thought on how my body and mind are interacting during whatever situation we're talking about, that information can't be all that detrimental to my psyche . . .

I also hate the feeling of disempowerment I get when told to be a good girl and do what I'm told sans questions or argument. It's quite sandpaper-esque.

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I believe cystic acne can be relieved by natural methods. If you believe in the power of the human body to heal itself - that may seem normal.

I've gone from having the normal 'teen acne' to having cystic acne all over my face [check my gallery pics for proof] - and now, after almost 3 years of 'cleaning up' my lifestyle, diet, etc - I've been able to reduce my acne to an almost normal form - all without taking any drugs or even speaking to a derm for treatment.

If people can recover and heal naturally from cancer and other degenerative diseases, why should curing acne be any different. IMO, fighting the battle with acne, from within, should be victorious [given the fact that it does take time for the body to go through its phases of detox, replenish, then heal].

I had first hand proof of the healing powers of the human body the first time I fasted on the Master Cleanser diet. Then cleaning up every aspect of my life; examined food intake, rearranged thoughts of my mind, discarded recreational drugs [marijana, cigarettes, alcohol, etc]. Taking that huge leap of faith really got me to believe in everything that western medicine despises.

From that moment on, I've cringed at the thought of seeing a medical doctor. I bite the bullet to see a doctor for antibotics when I have a bacterial infection because I believe antibotics really screw us up; more so prescription drugs in general - or any type of chemical ingested for that matter. Even things like soda or brownies makes me think about how it's similar to ingesting slow poision. However, I haven't completely ruled 'bad food' out, I just minimize those things to very seldom, if not unneccessary, requirements. Just like our cars need clean fuel to run and last long - our bodies need clean fuel to thrive and survive for a whole lifetime.

It's sad how we've all grew up to believe most everything but the real truths about - everything.

If anything, acne changed my life, completely. Ben Franklin once said, "Insanity is Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.' I knew if I wanted my acne to stop, and to get my life back - I needed to stop everything I was doing, and change it up!

Maybe all of us still and will always need to keep taking a life inventory to keep things fresh and 'change it up' to keep evolving towards our goals ... but mostly - our dreams.

Ever think of what YOU could do to make your life better, brighter, more successful? Just a thought ...Afterall, this is YOUR life. Only you have to live with your choices when all is said and done, right?


NEVER STOP DISCOVERING YOURSELF. YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT WHAT YOU WILL FIND!


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