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[SilentWhipser]

Complete Holistic Cure

The Holistic approach

Treatment - Emotions - Internal Cause

In summary:
1. Simple cleansing of skin
2. Dealing with emotions in a simple way
3. Diet; eating healthy foods: Fresh fruit, vegetables, seafood, meats, etc

What I’m going to show you is not only the best way of treating your skin, it’s the healthiest and pretty simple. Its 3 steps, its natural and normal, no strange tablets or treatments are needed, and can give you clear skin as well as improve your health and well-being.

I really sympathize with people I meet and see in real life with spots and wish I could tell them how to treat it, so I want to offer it here because it worked very well for me after 10 years of trying everything else. I really hope that anyone who wants clear skins tries it and can see bad skin as a thing of the past. I used to come on here hoping for something to work, then I found something that worked and haven’t needed anything else, but I want this to be brought to more people’s awareness.

I think everyone should know this approach as it’s the foundation of treating bad skin, and I think a lot more than ever before do, because with people having to use awful things like tablets and harsh chemicals to treat their skin when they can have clear skin easily if they just knew how this information should be shared by everyone until those treatments are gone.

The 3 aspects of this holistic treatment is skin treatment; simple washing and moisturizing, emotions; letting go of all negativity surrounding skin and diet; dropping acne causing foods and replacing them with foods that improve your skin’s health. All simple and the strongest way to heal your skin and prevent spots.

My quick story is I had spots for years, around 9 years of spots and treatments that didn’t work. I tried accutane and about 6 other cycles of tablets, around 20+ different types of washes, around 8+ cycles of creams, and a few other treatments, and each cycles of creams or tablets would last a few weeks/months and not work. I then tried BP again from here and it just burnt my skin. I used to browse these forums looking for a ‘cure’ every time my skin flared up, just hoping I would find the correct way to treat it and being frustrated so much by everyone’s different regimens. Some would be utterly complicated, and some would require expensive materials, washes, tablets, creams, oils, etc. And it would make me frustrated because I had tried most and still wasn’t clear, and would have to try more treatments and see if they would work. Of course I was treating the *effect*. I was fighting the outcome and not realizing the *cause*; the reason I was actually getting spots. When I found this and tried it my skin cleared up and not only that, I didn’t need a complicated regimen or topical treatments, and my health and my skin’s health improved making it look better than it had in those 10 years, and I’ve had 2 years of experience with it to know it works.

So I understand first-hand how annoying bad skin can be and how complicated and frustrating it can seem when everything you try just doesn’t seem to work and can sometimes make things worse. It’s because we’re dealing with an outcome and trying to fix that.

The problem with treating your skin because you get spots is your only dealing with the EFFECT, when we have to deal with the CAUSE. The cause in most cases(apart from hormonal)is our diet.
On top of that we aggravate our skin with treatments and chemicals that damage our skin and can even be the cause of many spots. It IS possible to treat your skin with creams or tablets, but they have unhealthy side effects and for me, they wouldn’t work.

Treatment should be gentle and natural. The reason spots appear is because we’re going against nature. We’re putting in bad foods, putting in a lot of negativity, and aggravating our skin. So we have to reverse that and put in good foods, positivity and care for our skin.
Let’s get to it.

The Holistic approach
Treatment - Emotions - Internal Cause

Treatment: Just a simple cleanser with no chemicals is good. I just use Dove Soap for sensitive skin 2xday and as moisturizer I use jojoba oil. These are just my own personal ways of keeping my skin clean and healthy. In the end you just want to keep your face clean with a simple cleanser without harsh chemicals(that many spot-treatment washes have) and keep my skin hydrated with a moisturizer, I use jojoba oil because it’s natural and my skin isn’t greasy(the holistic treatment is for all skin types).

I know some people may not want to stop their facial treatments and it’s OK, the other 2 steps are useful, but make sure you’re not aggravating your skin too much, as sometimes that can be the main cause. It does sound silly, but the treatment can actually be the cause of some spots.

Emotional aspect: It’s important to keep this part under control because it fuels stress and amplifies the problem. This is for your own peace of mind. The emotions from not having clear skin are just as bad sometimes as actually having the spots. Emotions like anger, sadness, frustration and grief are not helpful to us. If the cause of these emotions is a reaction to our skin and self-image, then they should be dealt with.

This is a very simple way of dealing with your emotions with your skin, and for any negative emotions.

You can use this on ANY emotion

Here it is: It’s as simple as this. You say ‘YES’ to everything all
If your emotions are going wild you say “yes” to them.
If you’re body is in pain you say “yes” to the pains.
If you’re life situation is feeling out of control you say “yes” then do whatever.
If you’re angry at yourself, someone or something just say “yes” then do whatever.

Some alternatives: Yes/Accept/Embrace/Welcome/Be aware of/Love/Enjoy
You’re basically accepting all emotions. Most of us fight them. When we feel a negative emotion we should let it be there or even run towards it. You can say “Give me more!” and that’s embracing them, and they leave.
The simple reason is because “what you resist persists”. Resist or fight an emotion and it gets worse. Embrace it or accept it, and it leaves.
Trust me; it’s helpful for your well-being and happiness.
You can use this in your everyday life in ALL situations, not just frustration at skin problems.

Just try it and see. Say “YES” to all negative emotions: Grief, anxiety, frustration, anger, etc.

“Can I just accept for a moment what I’m feeling?”
Internal Cause: Bad foods. I will be providing a book that goes in depth as to why bad foods cause acne, but I’ll be listing the short version here just for the sake of a quick listing.

Diet:This is the good and bad food list from Loren Cordain’s book:

Bad Foods

These foods cause spots, acne and bad health. Avoid them.
Dairy, cereal grains, wheat, legumes, yeast containing foods, processed and canned meats, alcohol and sweets.

“Dairy Foods
1. Milk
2. Cheeses
3. Butter
4. Cream
5. Yogurt
6. Ice cream
7. Ice milk
8. Frozen yogurt
9. Powdered Milk
10. Non fat dairy creamer
11. Dairy spreads
12. All processed foods made with any dairy products
13. Sour milk, kumis

Cereal Grains 1. Wheat (bread, rolls, muffins, noodles, crackers, cookies, cake,
Doughnuts, pancakes, waffles, pasta, spaghetti, lasagne, wheat
Tortillas, pizza, pita bread, flat bread and all processed foods made
With wheat or wheat flour)
2. Rye (Rye bread, rye crackers and all processed foods made with
Rye)
3. Barley (barley soup, barley bread, and all processed foods made
With barley)
4. Oats (Quaker oats, rolled oats, and all processed foods made with
Oats)
5. Corn (corn on the cob, corn tortillas, corn starch, corn syrup, corn
Chips, Doritos, Fritos, Taco shells)
6. Rice (All rice, brown rice, white rice, top ramen, rice noodles,
Basmati rice, rice cakes, rice flour and all processed foods made
With rice)
7. Wild Rice
8. Millet
9. Sorghum
10. Modified food starch (may be made from the grains: corn, wheat, or rice and from starchy tubers: potatoes, or tapioca)

Cereal Grain-Like Seeds
1. Amaranth
2. Quinoa
3. Buckwheat
Legumes
1. All beans (kidney, pinto, navy, white, lima, black, broad bean,
Teary, wax beans, string beans, green beans, mug beans)
2. Lentils
3. Peas, split peas, snow peas
4. Peanuts (peanuts are a legume and not a nut)
5. Soybeans and all soybean products
6. Garbanzo beans, chickpea
7. Black eyed peas
Starchy Tubers
1. Potatoes
2. Cassava root, manioc
3. Tapioca pudding
Yeast Containing Foods
1. All baked goods (breads, doughnuts, rolls, muffins etc.)
2. All fermented foods (beer, wine, pickled foods, foods containing
vinegar, tofu)

Fatty, Processed & Canned Meats & Fish 1. Sausages, bacon
2. Fatty hamburger
3. Fatty cuts of meats
a. T-bone steaks
b. Beef ribs
c. Lamb roasts and chops
4. Processed meats
a. Lunchmeat, deli meat
b. Any preserved or smoked meat (hams, turkey, etc.)
c. Smoked or dried and salted fish
5. Canned or pickled meat and fish
a. Canned fish (tuna, sardines, herrings, smoked oysters and
clams, canned salmon and mackerel, etc.)
b. Canned hams, chickens, beef, etc.

All Alcoholic beverages

Sweets
1. All candy
2. All refined sugars
3. Maple sugar
4. Date sugar
5. Syrups
6. Honey
7. Dried fruit
Vegetable and Salad Oils, Margarines and Shortening

1. All processed foods made with or cooked in vegetable oils,
margarines or shortening
2. The only exceptions are: flaxseed oil, canola oil, walnut oil and olive
Oil

Good Foods

Fresh vegetables, seafood, lean meats, and fresh fruits.

Acceptable Fresh Vegetables: The following list certainly is not comprehensive and nearly all fresh
vegetables, except potatoes, are entirely acceptable.
The list: asparagus, parsnip, radish, broccoli, lettuce, mushrooms,
dandelion, mustard greens, watercress, purslane, onions, green onions, carrots,
parsley, squash of all varieties, bell peppers, all peppers, artichoke, tomato, cauliflower, cabbage, brussel sprouts, celery, cucumber, tomatillos, collards,
Swiss chard, endive, beet greens, beets, turnips, rutabaga, kohlrabi, kale,
eggplant, pumpkin, turnip greens, spinach, seaweed, yams

Acceptable Fresh Fruit: As was the case with vegetables, any fresh fruit you can get your hands
on is fair game. The only exceptions are dried fruits (raisins, dates, figs, etc),
which like potatoes should be avoided since they also have quite high glycemic
loads.
The list: apples, oranges, pears, peaches, plums, kiwi fruit, pomegranate,
grapes, watermelon, cantaloupe, cassava melon, pineapple, guava, nectarine,
apricot, strawberry, blackberries, blueberries, raspberries, avocado, carambola,
cherimoya, cherry, fig, grapefruit, lemon, lime, lychee, mango, papaya, passion
fruit, persimmon, tangerine, star fruit, gooseberries, boysenberries, rhubarb,
cranberries, honeydew melon, and all other fruits

Acceptable Meats, Poultry and Eggs
Lean beef: flank steak trimmed of visible fat, top sirloin steak trimmed of
visible fat, extra lean ground beef (drain fat from pan when possible), London
broil trimmed of visible fat, chuck steak trimmed of visible fat, all lean cuts
trimmed of visible fat, lean beef jerky
Lean pork: lean pork loin, lean pork chops, lean pork roasts, all lean cuts
trimmed of visible fat
Lean chicken, turkey and game hens: skinless breasts
Eggs: Eggs are actually a high fat food and a single egg averages 62%
fat by energy. I recommend that you limit egg consumption to six per week and
buy omega-3 enriched eggs whenever possible.

Commercially Available Game Meat and Other Exotic Meats:
The list: kangaroo, venison, elk, alligator, reindeer, pheasant, quail,
muscovy duck, goose, wild boar, ostrich, rattlesnake, emu, turtle, African
Springbok antelope, New Zealand Cervena deer, squab, wild turkey, caribou,
bear, buffalo, rabbit, goat

Acceptable Fish:
The list: salmon, halibut, herring, trout, catfish, bass, mackerel, cod, scrod,
northern pike, sunfish, haddock, grouper, walleye, flatfish, red snapper, monkfish,
rockfish, perch tilapia, striped bass, turbot, mullet, bluefish, drum, eel, orange
roughy, or any other commercially available or fresh caught fish

Acceptable Shellfish: The list: abalone, clams, crab, crayfish, lobster, mussels, oysters,
scallops, shrimp, whelk or any other commercially available or fresh caught
crustacean or mollusc

The only oils I recommend are flaxseed, canola, walnut, avocado and
olive.”

The book is here: (It won't show a link on here, but do a search for "Loren Cordain - The dietary cure for acne" and follow the 'filestube' link - It's available for download)

Its worth reading the parts you want especially the diet part. The rest is scientific studies as to how and why bad foods cause acne, which isn’t really useful looking back, the actual food list is what I use.

Conclusion

The first time you see this list may be quite scary, it was for me. But I got tired of spots and treatments and decided to do something about it, and took on this diet. I was about 50/50 good and bad foods at the beginning, and I can stay clear at eating around 60-70% good foods, and this is someone who has never had anything really work well before. This is because I was treating the effect and as long as the cause was bad, I would have been doing it forever.

So in summary:

• Simple washing and (optional, but helpful)moisturizing
• Emotional aspect
• Good diet

I really hope that this approach gets more popular than it already is until it becomes the foundation for treatment of acne and stops people ending up in the cycle of products and tablets.

I am more confident in having people try this than ANY other product out there and it’s also the safest and healthiest way. I think it’s pointless to have regimens with lots of steps. We shouldn’t have to do any treatment at all, just a good diet, and basic cleansing like everyone else in the world does. Once you’ve proved to yourself that it works you’ll be excited to use it.

I’ll answer any questions you may have.

All the best.

Edited by SilentWhipser, 09 August 2010 - 09:32 AM.

[Naturalis]

Why all the hate for animal fat?

So this is cordain's paleo basically. Paleo people trimmed fat from their meat?

[captainsunshine]

So this is cordain's paleo basically. Paleo people trimmed fat from their meat?

I read it all, granted it's good advice, but couldn't find a single reference to 'Paleo' lol.

Note of caution about using Dove soaps, there may be citric acid in there, so it's worth checking ingredients in case you are avoiding it. Personally, I used to have bouts of dry flaky skin around my mouth and nose, no moisturiser helped, then I found a website dealing with skin rashes and they advised using "Head and Shoulders" (should have two types of zinc). You wash your face and leave it on for ten mins, rinse, then, repeat for five mins. Wash off. Do it morning and night. I have clear shiny skin everyday doing this.

Edited by captainsunshine, 09 August 2010 - 04:59 PM.

[Naturalis]

Diet:This is the good and bad food list from Loren Cordain’s book:

The book is here: (It won't show a link on here, but do a search for "Loren Cordain - The dietary cure for acne" and follow the 'filestube' link - It's available for download)

I didn't read it all, just checked the food list and it seems like cordain's paleo. No wonder if it's taken straigh from his book

[Applepie_849]

Brilliant! This works!!!!!

Clear for weeks, and have to tell people about it!

And no it's not paleo diet. If you read the book you'd see that the author created this diet for people with any kind of acne, and did scientific studies on it.

I don't even do it 100%. I don't why people argue over what foods cause it and what doesn't when this post is on here and it tells them exactly what does and doesn't.

Anyone can read the book but like i said, it is filled with studies that aren't necessary to know, but this post has all the essentials from the book and more.

It's a shame this post isn't a sticky because if people read this, they would know how to prevent acne/cure it and what foods cause it. Instead of people giving persnal opinions on what does(just one persons view), this list is at least a lot more accurate and tested on a lot of people. It saves a lot of time and effort trying to work it out for yourself.

It's all in all a great guideline for clear healthy skin.

Amazing!!!Love it, and grateful i'm clear and healthy!

[alternativista]

^ It is Cordain's paleo diet.

And yes, it is a good diet, but it would not have cleared me. And most people will not need to limit their diets that much, i.e. avoiding completely fermented dairy, fatty meats, all those eeevil seeds (which aren't equally evil and traditional preparations and food combinations make them fine to be part of your diet), etc. And none of those break me out, btw.

And you can follow this diet and still be eating something you have an intolerance for that contributes to your acne. That list of acceptable foods includes foods that cause me to have severe cystic acne. There are several other foods that it's extremely common to be allergic to in that list like eggs, shellfish, citrus, genus prunus, true nuts... And many people are intolerant of fructose and need to be careful of high fructose fruits that fill that list. Although that intolerance can be reduced with nutrients and lifestyle habits.

What you want is a nutrient dense, anti-inflammatory, blood sugar stabilizing diet habits that don't include anything you have an intolerance for. And to sleep and exercise right.

And I'd avoid the use of any soap or cleanser in favor of plain water and oil cleansing if you have makeup to remove. And if insist on using a cleanser, then follow cleansing with something to restore the PH like diluted ACV.

And WTH is lamb doing on the unacceptable meats list??? That's wrong.

Edited by alternativista, 08 December 2010 - 07:47 PM.

[JonyLeaber]

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Edited by JonyLeaber, 14 December 2010 - 11:48 PM.

[Applepie_849]

It's easy to put this down, but some of us are very tired of having to use treatments, and a few changes in our diet helps acne. Yes, it doesn't for everyone, but to dismiss it as worthless is unnescesary.

The majority of people don't have severe allergies. If someone has an allergy to something on the list, then don't eat it. They shouldn't have to be told that. Also, if i use acv my skin burns, yes, even diluted. I can't use treatments, and shouldn't have to either. And, lamb is on the bad foods list as lamb chops with grease and fat. I still eat them thou

The majority of people who have cured their acne have changed their diets and stopped using harsh treatments. That cures acne for a lot of people.

If there is something on the list you don't like, then don't change it. I don't stick to it 100% at all. But like 70% of the food i used to eat was bad, and i used chemical treatments and washes.

It's a good guideline, and if it helps people cure their acne then it's all good.

I have no idea what the post above is about

Edited by Applepie_849, 11 December 2010 - 11:52 AM.

[alternativista]

It's easy to put this down, but some of us are very tired of having to use treatments, and a few changes in our diet helps acne. Yes, it doesn't for everyone, but to dismiss it as worthless is unnescesary.

What an odd comment to make on the Nutrition and Holistic board. I don't think there was one single post that dismissed this as worthless. And we all here know that diet affects acne and can keep your skin clear. And most of us don't use 'treatments.' Just try posting a question about a topical or drug and watch the reactions.

There are only posts that say this exact diet isn't necessarily required (which it isn't), it excludes foods that for many don't need to be excluded and could still not clear everyone because you could follow it and still be eating high GL meals which screws up hormones and is inflammatory or be eating something you have an intolerance for, etc.

So no, this particular list of diet and habits is not the one true cure.

[Applepie_849]

Diet is only part of the regimen, and for most people, I think it's a good guideline.

Anyway I'm clear so there's no need for me to post on here anymore, I don't want to argue over this I don't have time I just wanted to say thank you to the person for their post and that it does work, although like alternitivista said some people may have allergies to even 'good' foods.

All the best everyone!

[Desperate4ClearSkin]

This is what I have been looking for. It's going to be tough because it will be a complete lifestyle change, but I am going to try it!

[Sito]

SILENTWHISPER - THANK YOU, GRACIAS, GRAZIE ...

this might be the BEST & MOST USEFUL POST EVER for me.

it just answers so many of my questions about many foods that i have been eating, that i eat, or that i want to eat, such as canned tuna, canned salmon, old-fashioned quaker oats, yams, beans, extra virgin olive oil, and countless others.

all i need to do is SAVE this thread so i can keep coming back to it. any help with that?

ANyway, THANK YOU.

[Sito]

SILENTWHISPER GOOD SIR or anyone that knows what they are talking about and can help>>>

i have questions in regards to whether plantains (green bananas or platanos) would be under the bad foods.

They are treated in much the same way as potatoes and with a similar neutral flavour and texture when the unripe fruit is cooked by steaming or boiling. I know fried that they are really bad, but i wonder if they are boiled would they be found under the good or bad food items?

also would like to know if pistacchios, honey (put in green smoothies), and vinegar added to foods are ok or are they bad as i suspect?

i also read a honey mask is good for scars, and if so, what kind of honey. i always thought that since honey was sugary that it was BAD.

i know these may sound like stupid questions, but i'm just wondering and i want to make sure as i'm trying to make the appropriate dietary changes to my life so i can properly deal with this acne.

and what specific kind of lean beef jerky is good?? i don't want to buy the bad stuff and then realize i've been messing up>> also could you recommend any other good snacks?

thank you and sorry for any inconvenience but i appreciate you taking the time out to respond to my small-brained questions.

THANKS AGAIN.

Edited by Sito, 28 December 2010 - 10:45 PM.

[alternativista]

i know these may sound like stupid questions, but i'm just wondering and i want to make sure as i'm trying to make the appropriate dietary changes to my life so i can properly deal with this acne.

and what specific kind of lean beef jerky is good?? i don't want to buy the bad stuff and then realize i've been messing up>> also could you recommend any other good snacks?

Much in those lists of 'good' and 'bad' food is goofy. In addition, how 'bad' they are for you varies from person to person and you have to figure out any intolerances whether allergies or intolerances to fructose, lactose, gluten, etc. via an elimination diet.

Just eat real, whole nutrient dense foods, more anti-inflammatory foods (plants that aren't grains and fish) than inflammatory (the worst being sugar or high GI foods and hydrogenated/trans fats), and in low to moderate glycemic load meals/drinks and snacks.

Plaintains are good food. Honey is sugar, but remember, it's the impact of the meal that matters, not whether or not it contains a bit of sugar.

Edited by alternativista, 28 December 2010 - 10:32 AM.

[Sito]

i know i'm asking really annoying and simple minded questions, but i'd just like to know people's own experience and knowledge a bit more than just reading reports on these things, but what's wrong with FISH? (you say plants that aren't grains & FISH?)

i thought FISH was good for you? and i didn't even know about plants could be fish? i think i'm seriously misunderstanding something either thru my limited English or ignorance> SOmeone school me on this>

also, how many bananas is too many for a snack or after a meal? another stupid question i know, but what would you recommend?

[03GT]

OP has strong lack of knowledge

[uncle buck]

i know i'm asking really annoying and simple minded questions, but i'd just like to know people's own experience and knowledge a bit more than just reading reports on these things, but what's wrong with FISH? (you say plants that aren't grains & FISH?)

i thought FISH was good for you? and i didn't even know about plants could be fish? i think i'm seriously misunderstanding something either thru my limited English or ignorance> SOmeone school me on this>

also, how many bananas is too many for a snack or after a meal? another stupid question i know, but what would you recommend?

He's saying that Fish, along with plants (not grains) are OK. Fish is great.

[alternativista]

i know i'm asking really annoying and simple minded questions, but i'd just like to know people's own experience and knowledge a bit more than just reading reports on these things, but what's wrong with FISH? (you say plants that aren't grains & FISH?)

i thought FISH was good for you? and i didn't even know about plants could be fish? i think i'm seriously misunderstanding something either thru my limited English or ignorance> SOmeone school me on this>

You did seriously misunderstand. Fish and plant foods that aren't grains are examples of the most anti-inflammatory foods and you should eat plenty of them. Make them the bulk of your diet. Eat lots of bright colorful fruits and veggies, herbs and teas. And have fish at least a couple of times per week. Ideally fatty cold water fish which are higher in omega 3 fats which is anti-inflammatory. Wild salmon, mackerel, sardines, herring.

Cold water trout is another example and farmed is fine. At least the trout farmed in the U.S. is fine. You'd have to look into the conditions at fish farms wherever the fish sold near you comes from.

Edited by alternativista, 02 January 2011 - 09:48 AM.

[Sito]

ALTERNATIVISTA - thanks for clearing that up for me mayn man. I APPRECIATE IT.

also what Snacks would you recommend? thanks

03GT - why do you say the threadstarter has a strong lack of knowledge??

what exactly do you believe SILENTWHISPER is wrong about?? what foods specifically?

please feel free to go expand and go into detail about the foods. THANK YOU.