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Haha another maturbation/acne post. questioning Dan's research

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.........................--------------> Acne

Androgens--->/\

.......................\/

........................ ---------------->Sex Drive---------------->Masturbation

Well the thing is that when i dont masturbate for a while, the urge(Sexual Drive) to do it becomes less and less. And when i do masturbate that urge(sexual Drive) becomes much more frequent afterwards and much worse.

If androgens have a direct effect on sex drive and masturbation appears to have effect on sex drive, could masturbation have an effect on androgens which would in turn, effect acne? Im just wondering because my acne still seems to be effected from masturbation after a yr of experimenting with it :( only conclusion i could come to. soooo heres my hypothesized addition to the cycle of masturbation/sexdrive/androgens/acne

Im not disagreeing with the orginal chain stated by Dan and probably a few scientists haha just that it could possibly be a cycle and this is the additional part \/

Masturbation-------->Sex Drive---------->Androgens-------->Acne

Don't flame even if its retarded :) just explain, considering its supposed to be a resourceful and helpful website to help out a fellow acne sufferer

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Yes, as a scientist I can tell you everything affects everything. I have also found the having orgasms induces acne. I can go clear for weeks and sure enough every time I get my rocks off I'll have a few small pimples over the next 2 days. Sorry I'm not an endocrinologist so I don't know too many details of how these things affect each other. I see threads like this a lot where people will throw out abstract science terms in hopes of painting a vivid picture. It's like they're trying to determine what's under the sea based on the ripples at the surface. There are so many things going on in the body, so many hormones, so many other signalling molecules (secondary messangers, cytokines, etc) and so many interactions, it'll make your head spin. Don't try to over think these things, it'll only make your acne worse. Take it at face value, if you know it's a trigger then try to minimize your exposure to it.

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haha thought from a scientist i was going to get an explanation on how wrong i was. instead u agreed on the possibility of my idea but said its one of various combinations in the whole acne result. Hope u werent talking about me when u quoted "I see threads like this a lot where people will throw out abstract science terms in hopes of painting a vivid picture." though hahaah wasnt too much of an abstract or scientific idea i threw out there :P but i dont think you were so thanks for the input even if i was kinda hoping u were gonna disprove the whole theory of masturbation-->acne thing :/

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haha thought from a scientist i was going to get an explanation on how wrong i was. instead u agreed on the possibility of my idea but said its one of various combinations in the whole acne result. Hope u werent talking about me when u quoted "I see threads like this a lot where people will throw out abstract science terms in hopes of painting a vivid picture." though hahaah wasnt too much of an abstract or scientific idea i threw out there :P but i dont think you were so thanks for the input even if i was kinda hoping u were gonna disprove the whole theory of masturbation-->acne thing :/

guys, i dont believe theres a link. you all only keep bringing it up, cause you find it hot and are curious about everyone elses wanking habits. i recommend you go and find someone, have sex and just leave it. keep the boards clean and stop trying to bring in filth.

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haha thought from a scientist i was going to get an explanation on how wrong i was. instead u agreed on the possibility of my idea but said its one of various combinations in the whole acne result. Hope u werent talking about me when u quoted "I see threads like this a lot where people will throw out abstract science terms in hopes of painting a vivid picture." though hahaah wasnt too much of an abstract or scientific idea i threw out there :P but i dont think you were so thanks for the input even if i was kinda hoping u were gonna disprove the whole theory of masturbation-->acne thing :/

guys, i dont believe theres a link. you all only keep bringing it up, cause you find it hot and are curious about everyone elses wanking habits. i recommend you go and find someone, have sex and just leave it. keep the boards clean and stop trying to bring in filth.

Thats fucking gross... im a little disgusted u would even consider a guy getting hot about the idea of dudes wacking off especially with it causing acne. most iggnorant response ive seen. This was a serious question with a pretty logical reasoning behind it and i wanted clear answers. if theres anything dirty here, its u for thinking that way and ur being immature looking at this question in that aspect.

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haha thought from a scientist i was going to get an explanation on how wrong i was. instead u agreed on the possibility of my idea but said its one of various combinations in the whole acne result. Hope u werent talking about me when u quoted "I see threads like this a lot where people will throw out abstract science terms in hopes of painting a vivid picture." though hahaah wasnt too much of an abstract or scientific idea i threw out there :P but i dont think you were so thanks for the input even if i was kinda hoping u were gonna disprove the whole theory of masturbation-->acne thing :/

guys, i dont believe theres a link. you all only keep bringing it up, cause you find it hot and are curious about everyone elses wanking habits. i recommend you go and find someone, have sex and just leave it. keep the boards clean and stop trying to bring in filth.

Thats fucking gross... im a little disgusted u would even consider a guy getting hot about the idea of dudes wacking off especially with it causing acne. most iggnorant response ive seen. This was a serious question with a pretty logical reasoning behind it and i wanted clear answers. if theres anything dirty here, its u for thinking that way and ur being immature looking at this question in that aspect.

hey its your opinion. im entitled to mine and its obviously different to yours. deal with it.

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Hey,

Masturbation doesn't cause acne. It's a myth.

Infact, Your sex drive could well increase while becoming abstinent because your so desperate to go.

Now, You will get people commenting below that they are 100% sure there is a link and that it has worked for them, but these are just anecdotes from random strangers.

Keep masturbating - concerntrate on the BP/Accutane instead. Concerntrate on the helpful things.

Good Luck my friend! :thumbsup:


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Masturbation doesn't cause acne...

...in you. Acne is an internal problem that can have many different triggers and is totally individual-dependent

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Masturbation doesn't cause acne...

...in you. Acne is an internal problem that can have many different triggers and is totally individual-dependent

well hormones are clearly the problem. but trying to supress them by not wanking is hardly going to fix that. especially if its building up more inside. id say youd need to go on some sort of drug to supress the hormones or alternatively work out why you are producing so many hormones. perhaps its the food you are eating or skincare routine. i recommend you go for a food tolerance test.

fixing the hormone problem to begin with, rather than stopping the end product (the wanking is better). not to mention denying yourself of any sexual activity is not at all healthy. people who are afraid to have sex or wank are classified as having a serious mental health issue and need to see someone urgently. it affects their ability to enter into loving relationships and form life long bonds.

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Coming from a girl, I really think there is a link. Of course there is! What do you think hormonal acne is, during puberty, or when a woman gets a monthly breakout? I went through a pretty weird phase with that myself (guys, don't think y'all are the only ones who do that kind of stuff) and I definitely had a LOT more pimples. Whether or not this had more to do with my face being shoved in a pillow or the spike in androgens, i have not a clue. But of course there is a link between acne and hormonal fluctuations- and sexual activity does cause those. According to my husband, who took endocrinology this semester (hardly an expert lol but knows more than the average bear) sex and/or the desire for sex gets more of those male hormones (androgens) pumping through your system which can give you an imbalance that leads to zits. He was telling me this implying I was giving myself zits lol. There's my two cents.

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ALL sorts of things affect acne, including hormones.

HOWEVER, it is FAR too simplistic to say that stopping masturbation or creating a schedule for yourself will reduce your acne. Your body simply doesn't work that way.

Will having sex alot alter your hormone levels? Potentially. Will masturbation? Same thing. Can certain foods change your hormone levels? Yes. Can depression or puberty? Yes and yes.

So you see, acne is a multifaceted problem. Why torture yourself worrying about the sex end of things--- which we have little control over-- when you can help yourself by controlling the more controllable facets of your life?


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Use humidifier in winter / 50mg Zinc Citrate daily!!! / Shave with electric foil razor

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"Why torture yourself worrying about the sex end of things--- which we have little control over-- when you can help yourself by controlling the more controllable facets of your life? "

Heh, actually, the opposite is true. One can control their sexual tendencies more easily and promptly than other conventional means.

Heard of Fasting? I am not stating that full-blown fasting 'has' to be done to suppress one's desires but simply lowering one's food intake can have prominent effects.

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I know there are people who tried not wanking and it did not affect their acne condition. I know good ole science tell us food has no link with acne and a lot of more jack shit studies. Whatever! Scientific theories are all tentative. For now, im going to drop down all scientific rules. I am 22 and suffer from sever acne. I have tried everything, from antibiotics tetra cycline , doxycline, retina A and even the last resort Accutane . I even changed my life style and diet. This all ain't working jack shit for me. I am sick of it. Then i started to alter my wanking routine.I tried going for 1 month without jacking off. I could tell you guys, screw those research studies or whatsoever. I lived for 22 years and for once, i know jolly well how my body is reacting better than those dermatologist or scientist. For the first time, my skin condition seems to be progressing in a positive manner. For those of you who think that wanking do not cause acne, good for you guys. Prolly you guys dun suffered from the same problem or you nv suffer a zit in your life. For those who nv tried it out, there is no harm in trying it for like few weeks. IF it do not work, you can go back to ur good choking chicken routine. I am really sick of it. Those fking horrific marks acne( severe modular cystic ) has left on me. I was't the same anymore. Good luck to you guys man.

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haha thought from a scientist i was going to get an explanation on how wrong i was. instead u agreed on the possibility of my idea but said its one of various combinations in the whole acne result. Hope u werent talking about me when u quoted "I see threads like this a lot where people will throw out abstract science terms in hopes of painting a vivid picture." though hahaah wasnt too much of an abstract or scientific idea i threw out there :P but i dont think you were so thanks for the input even if i was kinda hoping u were gonna disprove the whole theory of masturbation-->acne thing :/

guys, i dont believe theres a link. you all only keep bringing it up, cause you find it hot and are curious about everyone elses wanking habits. i recommend you go and find someone, have sex and just leave it. keep the boards clean and stop trying to bring in filth.

Thats fucking gross... im a little disgusted u would even consider a guy getting hot about the idea of dudes wacking off especially with it causing acne. most iggnorant response ive seen. This was a serious question with a pretty logical reasoning behind it and i wanted clear answers. if theres anything dirty here, its u for thinking that way and ur being immature looking at this question in that aspect.

Yes, Mr sunshine you are entitled to your own opinion . However, if you just bash other people pov just to prove urs is right, ur way too shallow and unreasonable. Learn to respect other people's pov. This is a thread to help people who has problem in wanking and acne.I do not see how talking about wanking and acne is so 'dirty'. you still pretty immature i think? If you think it makes the board so dirty , then you can leave.

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Hi guys, I have only joined this board to report that for me there is definitely a connection between over-masturbation and acne.

I'm 34, boredom, porn and long distance relationships have contributed lots, but I am not making any excuses ;)

The bottom line is, I have tried several things:

Oral medication -

Roaccutane - In my teens worked for a while

Tetracycline - ??? I dared not question my doctor

Creams -

Panoxyl, 2.5,5,10 - Very good for emergencies

Differin - Took some time to work, with severe burning in first week, but then went back to normal

Nizoral shampoo

Alternative therapy

Harley street clinic - Homeophathy

Supplements

Chinese herbal tea - Waste of time

Zinc

Spearmint

liquorice root

I have inherited greasy skin, my whole family has, but I am the only one to break out. I have struggled long and hard, spent untold amounts of money on many other products not mentioned here.

It soon dawned on me that I had to fix the problem from inside... Well having a massive argument with my girlfriend also contributed, as my appearance caused me to stress, not attend family or public events...she ended up giving me the best advice, to stop all the pills, creams, treatments and to be normal...That's when I analysed my lifestyle and asked the question to myself, what was I doing differently to all the people of my age. And with this being a personal matter only I knew the answer.

I gave it a go, I stopped all of it immediately that was 3 weeks ago,

here is the summary:

7 days - struggled through the week 3big zits, deep under skin. Grease production abundant oily face after 1 hour.

14 days - No new breakout during those last 7 days, still dealing with those big zits from last week.

21 days - No breakouts !!! my face is smooth, I even had very close shave. Ok I have some fading marks from previous battles but I am clear. There has been a sudden reduction in excess oiliness too...OK I still feel greasy, I see the shine on my nose BUT it is clearly not dripping like it used to after 1 hour.

This is the best treatment ever, and its free.

I still use a normal off the shelf scrub, that's because I like to feel clean of the oil on my face once in the morning and the evening, followed by an oil free moisturiser...we all know that we still need to moisturise. The rest of my lifestyle has not changed.

Guys, I will admit that it is hard to stop, but as your testosterone level sorts itself out, it gets easier. Do not tempt the devil...

Girls, I don't think this post will help you, but if you do have a man with adult acne, this could help...be supportive.

Final note:

Since I have read many conflicting posts how masturbation can raise and lower testosterone with no real answers...the theory I agree most with is that testosterone plays with your DTT levels which in turn makes your pores more sensitive, i.e get infected and also produce more sebum.

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Well answer this: why would just masturbation be a cause for acne? Wouldn't any sexual activity that resulted in an orgasm bring about the same result? An orgasm is an orgasm and ejaculation is ejaculation...so why is masturbation singled out? It just doesn't make any sense.

J.Z.

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Every time I see this being discussed I see people responding in really rude ways saying "masterbation doesnt cause acne... fact" etc.... You cannot claim something to be fact based on a LACK of evidence. If some people find this to be a trigger for them then let them discuss it. You can say "I think this is unlikely" but until someone prooves that it does not affect anyones acne we all need to be more respectful of the options different people try to explore.

Androgens do affect acne and if sexual activity affects androgens then I can see why people would think that one would affect the other.... especially if they have seen a corralation in their own acne between sexual activity and acne eruptions.

I know that when I came off the pill I had the worst outbreak EVER! I figure the balance of, tolerance for and sensitivity to the male hormones must have been knocked all over the place. I KNOW that in that time I was what rachel green would describe as almost permenantly "erotically charged" as well as being covered in really bad acne (not a good combination at the time but at least I will be able to empathyse with any teenage sons I may have in the future). Luckily my hormones are balanced now but I can see why some people would think this is a genuine possibility.

I would suggest that guys keep a wank/acne diary to see if they spot a pattern over time.

Be nice, be open minded : ) x

also consider the idea that raised androgen levels on certain days are causing both a peak in acne and an inclination to masterbate....... causing people to think that masterbation causes acne when instead raised hormones are causing acne AND masterbation...

just a thought


Morning: Wipe skin down with Salicylic acid containing face wipes

use Azelaic Acid on all acne prone skin

Evening: Bath: wash with PEARS soap then wash hair with Head & Shoulders (condition ends of hair once acne prone skin parts are out of bath)

use Azelaic acid on all acne prone skin

(Last adapted Autumn 2014)

My skin is now "normal" clear!! Thankyou to everyone for all your support!!

my finacea log including my September 2011 summary video (link is for the start of it, copy and paste as the link won't work directly):

http://www.acne.org/...re-ppl-try-this

Doing Yoga/practicing mindfulness, this has really helped me alot! Trying to eat better for my immune system

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Stress is related to acne, right?

Ever had sexual frustration?

Masturbation, if anything, would HELP a person.

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ALL sorts of things affect acne, including hormones.

HOWEVER, it is FAR too simplistic to say that stopping masturbation or creating a schedule for yourself will reduce your acne. Your body simply doesn't work that way...

You are dead wrong. Several people here have mentioned that they have noticed a direct connection. When they stop masturbating or having sex, suddenly the acne goes away. Creating a schedule for myself is the ONLY thing that has worked so far. Cleansers haven't done shit. In fact, as long as I withhold ejaculation, I can go forever without using ANY cleansers as the site owner recommends and I'm free of acne. As soon as I go 2+ ejaculations per week, acne returns. This is empirical evidence, how is it too simplistic for anyone to say?

Stress is related to acne, right?

Ever had sexual frustration?

Masturbation, if anything, would HELP a person.

Again, dead wrong. Do you experience this problem? If so you are in denial of the solution. If you don't experience this problem, then go away! Telling people that their observations are false, or ignoring their observations because you think you're correct, isn't helping anybody here.

Nobody here is suggesting withholding ejaculation for religious reasons, or anything like that. This isn't about the devil, god, jesus, the bible, morals, etc. This is simply a scientific/empirical observation. If you can't roll with that, then bounce the hell outta here...

Also, to the guy above who suggested that this is a mental or stress-related problem... sorry dude... Outside of how I may appear on this forum, I'm a pretty stress-free person, the same sorts of mental states as anybody else, the same kind of stress responses, the same pleasure-reward systems, etc. etc. This is about genetics. This is about hormones. This is about proteins. This is about fats. This is about hair follicles and oil and bacteria. This isn't about mind games or religion. I have yet to solve this problem by pretending it isn't a problem.

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mate you need for evidence, your thoughts are way too logical, logic needs evidence

The bets answer to this problem i've heard is from David "The skin" King from acne erasing secrets, he says that when the body needs to produce more spermatizoids it requires more nutrient., Lack of nutrients=acne


My log might be helpful for you,check it out!! tongue.pnghttp://www.acne.org/...stic-pics-incl/

-I controlled my acne after cutting off whey protein, after 4 months it came back.

-Then i tried an strict paleo diet, it worked. But the ocassional few pimples didnt let my PIH fade

-I wasnt happy with my routine, coudnt drink with my friends, eat different food and the worst: i was loosing confidence

-When my PIH was fading, i broke out, because i tried vitamin C to end with the ocassional pimples, which might cause stomach irritation=break out

- I wasnt happy because of my diet, just broke out, and i started accutane asap.

- Currently, im taking accutane even thought my acne is mild, but with persistant PIH, just few weeks left, no more pimples anymore.

"If i had a wish, i woudnt ask for flawless skin, I'd ask for the maxium of confidence"

Poeple think they are going to be happy and confident if they get rid of their acne...well..they are totally wrong


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I have noticed multiple breakouts from masturbation. When I masturbate every other day, I break on a regular basis. When I masturbate once a week, or once every 2 weeks, I break out very little, if at all. That is just way too much of a coincidence for me.

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mate you need for evidence, your thoughts are way too logical, logic needs evidence

The bets answer to this problem i've heard is from David "The skin" King from acne erasing secrets, he says that when the body needs to produce more spermatizoids it requires more nutrient., Lack of nutrients=acne

Him writing down his masterbatory behaviour and compairing it to his outbreaks is evidence, proof and evidence are not the same thing.

The online free dictionary defines evidence as:

1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment

2. Something indicative; an outward sign

whereas proof is defined as:

1. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

2.a. The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions.

b. A statement or argument used in such a validation.

3.a. Convincing or persuasive demonstration: was asked for proof of his identity; an employment history that was proof of her dependability.

b. The state of being convinced or persuaded by consideration of evidence.

so evidence is information which indicates towards or supports a certain hypothesis

and proof is created out of evidence which is so strong that it renders the hypothesis as good as fact

for example:

Evidence that a woman is pregnant is that she has a bigger belly and is throwing up when there is no tummy bug going around

Proof that a woman is pregnant is a bunch of positive pregnancy tests and a positive ultrasound scan showing a growing foetus.

These people say they have have reasonable circumstancial evidence of their own bodily functions, proof would be (traditionally) a clinical trial involving hundreds of people then repeating the test in separate populations.... not everyone has the time or the funding to conduct clinical trials.

Also logic is a system of reasoning and does not need evidence, logic benefits from evidence if it is to be used to proove something.

@dandantheman It sounds unlikely to those of us without this issue but if you have really kept a diary of this then keep on doing whats right for you x

Althought it may be worth looking to see if any of your other behaviours change/increase/decrease when you masterbate more or less... i.e. maybe you do more physical activity or leave the house more, wash less or eat different things.. worth looking in to. goodluck

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Morning: Wipe skin down with Salicylic acid containing face wipes

use Azelaic Acid on all acne prone skin

Evening: Bath: wash with PEARS soap then wash hair with Head & Shoulders (condition ends of hair once acne prone skin parts are out of bath)

use Azelaic acid on all acne prone skin

(Last adapted Autumn 2014)

My skin is now "normal" clear!! Thankyou to everyone for all your support!!

my finacea log including my September 2011 summary video (link is for the start of it, copy and paste as the link won't work directly):

http://www.acne.org/...re-ppl-try-this

Doing Yoga/practicing mindfulness, this has really helped me alot! Trying to eat better for my immune system

i.e. more veg and fruit plus trying to eat low GI, drink lots of water and get enough sleep.....

Wash your sheets and towels twice a week!!


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Nice. Yea, I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting that this is possible without some holy scientific study saying it's possible. There have been a great many diseases in the past that went basically ignored or misunderstood for a long time until more research was done to reveal their nature.

I've been observing this pretty actively for about 2.5-3 years or so. Also, keep in mind, this is any form of ejaculation, not limited to masturbation. I've been with my gf for slightly less than that period of time, so this observation has overlapped all that. So far, through basically trial and error, I've seen a few different things: Reducing ejaculation to 1 day per week seems to clear up acne without fail. Ejaculating more than 1 per week, and/or more than 1 per day, seem to cause inflamed acne nearly without fail. If I've gone a while without it, like 1+ weeks, ejaculation can sometimes have a slightly reduced effect. But many times so far I have fooled myself into believing that it is no longer a problem because the acne doesn't appear immediately, (or I've tried to play mind games with myself and pretend this isn't a problem - a solution that several people here seem to think has merit), to detrimental ends - soon enough, within 1-3 days, my acne flairs up again and reminds me of this sexual prison that I'm in.

The only other thing that seems to trigger it is illness. I tend to get sinus infections, which sometimes can also cause my lymph nodes to swell up. During that time, I notice that I'm usually more prone to smaller acne. And it has an amplifying effect with ejaculation. If both, then disaster, more or less. The way I see it is the indiana jones escape scene where he outruns the boulder. Ejaculation seems to set the ball rolling and speeds it up, whereas illness slows me down, sometimes allowing me to get scraped, and other times just running me over altogether.

So many things link together that it's hard to throw anything away. Anything could be the cause. But so far, it seems that this is almost entirely hormonal. It's been found that testosterone levels only fluctuate briefly before returning to normal, but barring any other possibilities I can only wonder if this brief fluctuation causes a lot more trouble than people think. When I ejaculate, I can count on my skin being much more oily and I can basically count on having acne.

That evidence is perfectly sufficient for those of us experiencing this problem. I have absolutely zero interest in making false claims, or trying to mislead anybody. My only goal here is to A) Provide some supporting accounts of this phenomenon in case other people stumble upon this forum with the exact same questions I had, and B) Squash people's arguments that this is not possible or not true. Without being able to witness this first-hand, it's hard to accept that this is a possibility without being open-minded and maybe a bit trusting. Nobody has to take my word for anything, but A) the people who experience this understand full well what I'm talking about, and B) I don't see the point in trying to put this 'theory' down if so many people are saying that actually experience it, and the number of posts you see here bringing it up.

It's real, it ain't no joke. I wish it were. Trust me..

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