Posted 18 February 2003 - 08:25 PM
This device has been shown to increase penetration into the dermis by
Posted 18 February 2003 - 10:27 PM
It looks promising.
Posted 18 February 2003 - 10:44 PM
Posted 19 February 2003 - 12:16 AM
I would like to try out this device. how much did it cost to have it ship to the united states?
Posted 19 February 2003 - 02:12 AM
Stefany is there any spikes on it or is it completely smooth.
How do you actually use it. Apply the creams and then roll over it or the other way.
I know somebody in Germany now who could get it for me.
Anyway good find.
Posted 19 February 2003 - 07:21 AM
You can also purchase the dermaroller online at this website:
Posted 19 February 2003 - 11:15 AM
By the way, first link doesn't work - and the second link - is only available in German!!!!!!!!
Hey anyone - sprechk deutch???
Sounds very interesting though
Posted 19 February 2003 - 05:26 PM
I just clicked on the first link and it worked for me. Not sure what happened. On the second website, you have to click on English speaking customers. That is what I did when I ordered. Great product.
Posted 19 February 2003 - 07:53 PM
Sounds like a lot of sense to me.
More penetration, more result.
Since you have used it and are familiar with it's use for pitted scarring I would like your opinion on which model of roller you think would be best for raised scarring (on shoulders).
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Posted 20 February 2003 - 12:02 AM
Posted 20 February 2003 - 07:42 AM
I have e-mailed Horst Liebl about keloids. I am not sure which dermaroller, if any, helps with keloids. This device has been designed for acne scars, the pitted kind, because there doesn't seem to be anything else that really has worked. I will get back to you.
As far as the regular dermaroller for helping with scars, it is definitely helping me. My renova is being infiltrated deeper into my dermis because the side effects which I overcame over 1 year ago, have come back again. The Renova with the dermaroller is making my skin peel more, and I notice more plumping of the skin. Just my imagination? I don't think so. My next goal is to find a doctor that will purchase his special needling device for acne scars and treat my whole face. I have tried everything else, and quite frankly, they don't work.
Posted 20 February 2003 - 06:06 PM
looks like the best dermaroller would be the MS-4. It has specially ice-hardened needles so that they don't bend after puncturing through the hard, fibrous collagen. Unfortunately, it can only be purchased through a physician though.
Posted 21 February 2003 - 06:04 AM
"The needles will become blunt after several months of use. We recommend to use a new roller after 3-4 months." That's $150 or more a year
"Do not use the roller if the skin is already damaged by injury or sunburn."
Isn't an indented acne scar the sign of skin injury or are they talking about other scars caused by surgery etc. My scar still hurts and it looks injured.
The device is to be applied to areas of normal, undamaged skin for purposes of hair growth.
What are other peoples impressions?
And more importantly
What topicals would be the best to break down damged collagen fibres and promote the growth of new ones which will level out indentations.
Posted 21 February 2003 - 07:06 AM
As far as your scar still feeling damaged, if it is fully healed, I am sure it would be OK.
Horst Liebl is researching acne scarring as we speak and he has a friend from India who says that "Centella" is the best topical for acne scarring.
Keep you posted.
Posted 21 May 2003 - 03:15 PM
Posted 21 May 2003 - 03:42 PM
I read the instructions - it says to use everyday and go over your skin 3 times. Then after that apply whatever topicals you normally use.
After around 3 months, you need to get a new one because the needles wear out.
This is not quite needling, it doesn't break the skin - it just stimulates collagen growth slowly and helps topicals penetrate the skin better.