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[Lilly75]

You can actually cure both by eating just plant-based. I am a vegan for life and I eat mostly veggies and fruits. My skin is starting to glow, but I have new acne scars which sucks, but it will cure it soon. I am sure I won't have it for ever. I will also be prevented from cancers and diseases. I will live longer and have a lot of energy and look great.
Vegan is the way to live.

There's nothing wrong with living a vegan life but it doesn't necessarily mean that you will avoid all cancers and diseases. You may lessen your risk of diseases that have things like obesity as a risk factor if you eat healthy and exercise but there are many risk factors and reasons people can get diseases. And as long as you're stil getting the needed amounts of protein etc that non-vegans or non-vegetarians get a lot of from meat, it is still very healthy

And like Lapis mentioned - a lot of it could be to do with the mind set of a person

But like I said - nothing wrong at all with being vegan - and if you love it, continue with it! Definitely healthier than if someone was eating fast food every day A lot of people claim diet has really helped their skin/acne - doesn't always appear to be a vegan or raw diet. But I think it's good to remember what works for one person may not work for another...

I don't know where you learn that! But going 80% or more raw, mostly veggies and fruits will protect you a lot. At least going vegan will prevent heart disease which is the number one killer in USA. It also prevents other diseases and cancers. I do trust Dr. Fuhrman and Dr.Campbell ha ha.. I learn all that from them. Meats are the cause of heart attack. ;\

Well I don't think I said anything wrong in my post there. What I said is basic knowledge to me as I've heard it again and again over the years. I study health sciences and do a lot of health based and disease based courses which look at health behaviors and the causes of disease among other things.

Anyway - I'm not going to get into a massive debate over this and lead this thread further off topic, but meat is not THE cause of heart disease or heart attacks. You can't say that the reason someone had a heart attack was directly because they ate meat. All diseases have many contributing factors and it's often a combination of these factors and exposures that lead to disease presence in an individual.

I never said that being raw vegan is bad or that it isn't healthy. I did say that it may lessen your chance of disease. So can any healthy diet. A person doesn't have to eat a specifically raw vegan diet to be eating healthy and therefore lessen their risk of developing a certain disease.
Basically I'm just saying that you can't completely guarantee that by just eating a raw vegan diet you will avoid all cancer and disease.

Edited by Lilly75, 01 August 2012 - 12:19 AM.

[arqa22]

who gives a fuk if you live long
i dont want to live long
i want to live happy

[Binga]

People with mild mental illnesses such as anxiety or depression are more likely to die early, say researchers.
They looked at the premature deaths from conditions such as heart disease and cancer of 68,000 people in England.
The research suggested low level distress raised the risk by 16%, once lifestyle factors such as drinking and smoking were taken into account.
More serious problems increased it by 67%, the University College London and Edinburgh University team said.
The risk among those with severe mental health problems is already well documented.

But researchers said the finding among those with milder cases - thought to be one in every four people - was concerning, as many would be undiagnosed.
The Wellcome Trust-funded study, published in the British Medical Journal, looked at data over 10 years and matched it to information on death certificates.
This is the largest study so far to show an association between psychological distress and death, according to scientists.
Lead author Dr Tom Russ said: "The fact that an increased risk of mortality was evident, even at low levels of psychological distress, should prompt research into whether treatment of these very common, minor symptoms can modify this increased risk of death."
John Williams, head of neuroscience and mental health at the Wellcome Trust, said: "This study highlights the need to ensure they have access to appropriate health care and advice so that they can take steps to improve the outcome of their illness."
Paul Jenkins, chief executive of the charity Rethink, said: "Sadly, these findings do not come as a surprise.
"While this study looks at depression and anxiety, people with severe mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder and schizophrenia die, on average, 20 years earlier than the rest of us. It's an absolute scandal.
"There is a huge lack of awareness amongst health professionals about the increased risk of physical illness for this group, which means people are dying needlessly every day."

Edited by Binga, 01 August 2012 - 01:19 AM.

[sfteen]

without a doubt i pick cancer later. The life I'm living now because of acne is not worth living

If it is THAT bad and you're an adult have you considered accutane?

[Need Solutions]

who gives a fuk if you live long
i dont want to live long
i want to live happy

Very True

[pokeblaa]

^ this too, so much

You can actually cure both by eating just plant-based. I am a vegan for life and I eat mostly veggies and fruits. My skin is starting to glow, but I have new acne scars which sucks, but it will cure it soon. I am sure I won't have it for ever. I will also be prevented from cancers and diseases. I will live longer and have a lot of energy and look great.
Vegan is the way to live.

I completely disagree with this statement; In fact, it comes across as quite ignorant. A healthy diet (be it vegan or another form) can most certainly aid in cancer prevention (to some extent) and even, in some cases, as treatment. However, it is assuredly not a cure. As for acne scarring, I aslo highly doubt a diet is an effective "cure".

i agree with this or else it needs to be superspecific to your dna situation? but even then it may not be enough, because how powerfull can all those plants be? P: basically it is something that can reprogram dna somehow? what can be so small and subtle yet powerfull and effective to get there? somekind of frequencies or lasers, idk, maybe on even atomical level? nanoparticles? its almost like for some of people it is needed for major scientific breakthrough overall to happen to cure their acne because it is not even specific disease but just a symptom like a big math problem inside of you. ><

People with mild mental illnesses such as anxiety or depression are more likely to die early, say researchers.
They looked at the premature deaths from conditions such as heart disease and cancer of 68,000 people in England.
The research suggested low level distress raised the risk by 16%, once lifestyle factors such as drinking and smoking were taken into account.
More serious problems increased it by 67%, the University College London and Edinburgh University team said.
The risk among those with severe mental health problems is already well documented.

But researchers said the finding among those with milder cases - thought to be one in every four people - was concerning, as many would be undiagnosed.
The Wellcome Trust-funded study, published in the British Medical Journal, looked at data over 10 years and matched it to information on death certificates.
This is the largest study so far to show an association between psychological distress and death, according to scientists.
Lead author Dr Tom Russ said: "The fact that an increased risk of mortality was evident, even at low levels of psychological distress, should prompt research into whether treatment of these very common, minor symptoms can modify this increased risk of death."
John Williams, head of neuroscience and mental health at the Wellcome Trust, said: "This study highlights the need to ensure they have access to appropriate health care and advice so that they can take steps to improve the outcome of their illness."
Paul Jenkins, chief executive of the charity Rethink, said: "Sadly, these findings do not come as a surprise.
"While this study looks at depression and anxiety, people with severe mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder and schizophrenia die, on average, 20 years earlier than the rest of us. It's an absolute scandal.
"There is a huge lack of awareness amongst health professionals about the increased risk of physical illness for this group, which means people are dying needlessly every day."

you dont need to research that even? people who have psychological distress are more likely to do suicide and die sooner than even experience those die 20 yrs earlier? basically they either way are closer to death. and psychological pain > physical pain imo. when you have physical problem it is mind that can create less painfull perspective so it is less pain (comforting thoughts, hope for better etc) so you can extend it, but if you are in severe psychological pain with no ways about it, theres no way to go but to hurt yourself physically to numb that kind of pain which doesnt really work because that just deepen the problem or works just temporarily. acne fe being nuisance the way it is, is perfect thing to cause psychological distress. it is very important problem on surface, that gets judged harshly and everyone can see yet isnt taken serious as problem/disease. it creates lots of constant and bugging distress in persons mind that way.

[awesomenesssquared]

Yep, I would rather take cancer at 80. Hell I would rather die guaranteed at 70/80 years old if i could just wake up tomorrow with perfect skin for the rest of my life. How good can life be at old age anyway...you will already have other conditions to deal with..weaker joints...lower energy...etc. It is a fact of life.

and....I would rather live a happy life especially while I am young. agree with that poster.

I know the tremendous pain cancer causes not only for the patient but for the families...but at least you have support...you have people fighting with you every step of the way (in the vast majority of cases)...people are rooting for you, doctors, nurses, family...and if you do beat cancer you are a hero. When someone talks about cancer it is always a sad story...people give empathy....Acne on the other hand is and almost always has been a personal, psychological battle...no one is fighting for you..people think it's vain or trivial...but when they see a severe case of acne you're treated like a leper. People just say "wash your face", "how can it get that bad?"...and when you finally beat it and if you come out scarred people will look at you as "the crater face" or "eh hes good looking but what about those scars?" I know there are exceptions for both cases...and I have seen both cases at their worst. Both are conditions I would never wish on anyone. god forbid, and my acne isnt "severe" (but it is really bad) but I have known a few who have had it really really horrible. Before i broke out in cystic acne which required me to take accutane a second time, I heard what "clear" people say when they talked about other's skin. "O hes good looking but his skin..." "You think shes hot?...its just pictures...she has acne EVERYWHERE shes so gross"..."O the kid with the burn scars or something?".etc...just some examples I heard people say to ME about others when i had mild acne....before I had my onset of cystic acne...(trust me I stay CLEAR of these people now that I broke out bad). Acne can be devastating...and now that I am in somewhat of the same boat I am pretty bummed the f out....What if these people are saying this stuff about me? I am psychologically a wreck. I know some people will relate to you, some will look past it, mostly other sufferers, but there are always some ignorant ones that will make your life hell.

(PS I am not trying to make cancer sound any better...just adding perspectives for both conditions and my perspectives with knowing people with severe cases of both unfortunate diseases).

YES I am having a terrible day today and am being awfully pessimistic.. Maybe my tune and outlook will change when I finish accutane and get scar treatments (damn I really hope it does)....god damn fuck acne and cancer. agree with that poster too. and fuck ignorant people!

Edited by awesomenesssquared, 01 August 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[UnacceptedRealist]

"...Acne on the other hand is and almost always has been a personal, psychological battle...no one is fighting for you..people think it's vain or trivial...but when they see a severe case of acne you're treated like a leper. People just say "wash your face", "how can it get that bad?'...and when you finally beat it and if you come out scarred people will look at you as "the crater face" or "eh hes good looking but what about those scars?"

My life story summarized in a few sentences.

[Murph89]

"...Acne on the other hand is and almost always has been a personal, psychological battle...no one is fighting for you..people think it's vain or trivial...but when they see a severe case of acne you're treated like a leper. People just say "wash your face", "how can it get that bad?'...and when you finally beat it and if you come out scarred people will look at you as "the crater face" or "eh hes good looking but what about those scars?"

My life story summarized in a few sentences.

Same here. At some point though you have to make a choice. 1 you can live a miserable life hiding and hating yourself. Or you can say you know what? fuck it? Im a beautiful person on the inside and just because my skin has acne on it or scaring or redness, im still the same. This is in no way putting down anyones thoughts, because my life has been a fucking disaster the past 6 months, and i struggle with that logic. Literally today marks the 6 months of my breakout and when my life took a 180 complete turn just like that.

So Yes, I would rather take cancer late and risk that and have clear skin. I and we dont deserve to be miserable. And yes...I would rather live a short but HAPPY life, then a long and have a big chunk of it be unhappy and miserable.

Edited by Murph89, 01 August 2012 - 08:02 PM.

[mm..Brian..]

....the hell?

Obviously no cancer...look, I know first hand how depressing/debilitating/life-crushing etc acne can be, but the fact of the matter is that it's not life-threatening and if we're all really honest with ourselves, acne doesn't make us feel the way we do...only we do that. I see people with severe acne and they're still happy because they don't let it affect their lives like that, with cancer you don't have much choice. With acne at least there is hope that we can learn to not give a damn about it and live happily, with cancer you can try to be happy but it can kill you, and make you and those around you suffer. No comparison in my eyes.

[awesomenesssquared]

"...Acne on the other hand is and almost always has been a personal, psychological battle...no one is fighting for you..people think it's vain or trivial...but when they see a severe case of acne you're treated like a leper. People just say "wash your face", "how can it get that bad?'...and when you finally beat it and if you come out scarred people will look at you as "the crater face" or "eh hes good looking but what about those scars?"

My life story summarized in a few sentences.

"...Acne on the other hand is and almost always has been a personal, psychological battle...no one is fighting for you..people think it's vain or trivial...but when they see a severe case of acne you're treated like a leper. People just say "wash your face", "how can it get that bad?'...and when you finally beat it and if you come out scarred people will look at you as "the crater face" or "eh hes good looking but what about those scars?"

My life story summarized in a few sentences.

Same here. At some point though you have to make a choice. 1 you can live a miserable life hiding and hating yourself. Or you can say you know what? fuck it? Im a beautiful person on the inside and just because my skin has acne on it or scaring or redness, im still the same. This is in no way putting down anyones thoughts, because my life has been a fucking disaster the past 6 months, and i struggle with that logic. Literally today marks the 6 months of my breakout and when my life took a 180 complete turn just like that.

So Yes, I would rather take cancer late and risk that and have clear skin. I and we dont deserve to be miserable. And yes...I would rather live a short but HAPPY life, then a long and have a big chunk of it be unhappy and miserable.

THIS post is mainly for unaccepted realist/Murph:


Ok I don't know why or how but I am feeling better today. This is a little offtopic but for the two guys above me....I really know what you're going through and alot of people on this board are. I know my acne wouldn't be classified as "severe" (I am very realistic about my acne...and you see some people on this board post they have severe acne or severe acne scarring and it is far from it. I know what severe is and I know what moderate is....I believe I have moderate/maybe slightly severe acne with mild/moderate rolling scars...but I digress this is beside the point)

Truly what has gotten me through these past few months on accutane/preaccutane when i broke out in cystic acne and watched my face progressively change...from terrible to slowly for the better on my time so far on accutane round 2...revealing scars i never had....and the sudden realization that I lost a part of myself...a part of my skin..my face...Something I took for granted when I was clear.....is emulating others who have acne/acne scarring that live a full, happy life. I know one resident doctor in my med school (im a med student) who has severe scarring similar to:
http://trialx.com/cu...cne_Scars-3.jpg
and he is succesful, married, has a kid. he is happy and hell (no homo haha) I actually think he is one handsome dude. he is upbeat, he helps all the other doctors and all my classmates think he is the nicest professor/resident doctor.

Also I was walking passed the TV the other day and my sister was watching this show Project runway and I watched it for a few minutes with her and a makeup artist came on and guess what...he had bad acne scarring too but was happy, looked good, was fun, and it looked like he loved life. I later (being the OCD type of person) googled him and found this:

http://www.facebook....&type=1

this was him when he had severe acne.

If you click his fanpage on facebook youll see recent pictures of him and he looks amazing. Sure he has bad scarring...but he is succesful, looks good, socializes...I know this sounds ridiculous but knowing that someone out there I dont even know, hell he had it far worse than me, can live his life to the fullest happy. seeing him go through the same situation as me....as us...someone I never knew and only saw on TV for 10minutes, gives me courage that when I am done with accutane to not give up. I will get treatments for my moderate shallow scars for acne...I will constantly baby my skin to make sure I never get cystic acne again after accutane. and you know what? if i get cystic acne again I'll do another course but hell one day it will be over. One day I will be completely happy and content with myself and how I look. it may not be today, it may not be tomorrow...but it will happen eventually. I have seen some progress in my skin on accutane that I have hope. I have scarring but so what. I will live a happy life. i forsee the next year or two to be a rough road for me...a road filled with regret, embarassment, hiding away into my studies and away from a social life. while I let my acne heal, the redness, the scars, and build up my self esteem again and confidence.....but I will get through it. it's all we can do. We are worth having a happy life. No need to be miserable...take life for all the joys it can be had...even with this horrible condition.

To quote another user on this board who replied to a post I made a few weeks ago when my acne was at its worst due to accutane IBs

"Your skin is not YOU. It's just wrapping. And you're working on it.
Keep your spirits up and keep reaching out. You're worth it."

Edited by awesomenesssquared, 02 August 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Need Solutions]

....the hell?

Obviously no cancer...look, I know first hand how depressing/debilitating/life-crushing etc acne can be, but the fact of the matter is that it's not life-threatening and if we're all really honest with ourselves, acne doesn't make us feel the way we do...only we do that. I see people with severe acne and they're still happy because they don't let it affect their lives like that, with cancer you don't have much choice. With acne at least there is hope that we can learn to not give a damn about it and live happily, with cancer you can try to be happy but it can kill you, and make you and those around you suffer. No comparison in my eyes.

It all comes down to personal opinion really, if its causing someone so much misery that they dont even want to be seem by other people and their going to hate the way they look, severely lack confidence and what ever else then why would you want to live like that.

If you could swap 60 years of misery for 40 years of a chance to not be embarrased by the way you look and for greater happiness, then surely its a reasonable, mabye even logical to go with this option.

Ive only really been dealing with this 1/2 months, I dont have any massive cyst or whatever its just loads and loads of whiteheads/blackheads/clogged pores/dry skin etc...but to me its very bad... and ive began to hate the way I look to the extent I dont even want to leave the house, I cant imagine what it would be like to have severe acne although my skin does look horrendous in the cold,hard light of day.

To me if I was given the chance of the swap 60 years of hating the way I look for 40 years of been free from this I would do it without a second thought. No comparison in my eyes either.

[Lapis lazuli]

I think this is an interesting discussion.

[allrighty]

What a silly post AND question to ask... I wouldnt wish Cancer on anyone....having seen both my Nan and best friend die of it a month apart from each other.

[Sasch83]

You can't compare the two. I have watched people die from cancer and it is one of the most heart wrenching things to watch happen, especially to a loved one. And as much as i hate acne and it brings me down, a lot of that despair is of my own making and if i wanted to, i could not care about my appearance and go on with my life. With cancer, especially terminal cancer, that sometimes is not an option.

Give me acne anyday!

[Lapis lazuli]

What a silly post AND question to ask... I wouldnt wish Cancer on anyone....having seen both my Nan and best friend die of it a month apart from each other.

I think you missed the point although I can see how you can think it is a "silly" post/thread/question. With "silly" you mean "stupid", right? So you might as well have said "What a stupid question to ask" which sounds harsher but it's basically the same.

Like I said earlier I think the way the post is written isn't very well thought out. It comes across kind of flippant. Which is bad. It comes across as rather inappropriate.

But I don't think any disrespect is meant towards people with cancer...although it might come across that way.

[UnacceptedRealist]

What a silly post AND question to ask... I wouldnt wish Cancer on anyone....having seen both my Nan and best friend die of it a month apart from each other.

Silly?

Although this question may seem "silly" in relation to YOUR current situation, I can assure you that it is most certainly not to others. Granted, I can see how one might deem a positive response to this question as being irrational; however, once again, you cannot know what others are experiencing- every single day of their lives. Futhermore, I, too, have seen what cancer does first hand and I fully understand the theoretical implications of my response. With that said, I find your response to be both disrespectful and ignorant.

[Lapis lazuli]

You can't compare the two.

They aren't being compared. The question isn't "Would you rather have acne or cancer?".

And as much as i hate acne and it brings me down, a lot of that despair is of my own making and if i wanted to, i could not care about my appearance and go on with my life. With cancer, especially terminal cancer, that sometimes is not an option.

Good point. Although in some cases the acne is truly "severe". People who's entire faces are constantly broken out. Where it is a truly disfiguring thing. I can see how someone would choose to live an acne-free life in such cases. And as much as it is true that some people can flip the switch in their heads, so to speak, and go about their business as if they didn't have acne other people are perpetually tormented basically for their entire lives. You can't say to everyone who has acne "You just need to get over it" also because some people who might not have severe acne just don't have what it takes to be able to deal with the psychological effects.

If you had the choice of living until you were 80 in a wheelchair or until 70 being able to walk, what would you do? Or living until 80 with one arm or until 70 with all your limbs. There's something to be said for choosing to live until 70.

Edited by Lapis lazuli, 06 August 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[Clearwaters]

Its all relative. This is a completely subjective and personal matter based on the individuals life values and what constitutes their happiness. We may not all share those same life values, but no one else besides the holder of those values can play abiter to the correctness of those values. The question is obviously asking what would YOU rather, not what would rather for someone else. It's unfair to scoff at and ridicule this question because of your own personal experience with/witnessing of cancer. It implies that those who choose cancer later had something do with that experience of cancer which is actually insulting within itself.

Edited by Clearwaters, 06 August 2012 - 09:53 AM.

[fatalbert911]

Acne now but for no more then 10 years, cancer sucks dude most of them are painful and acne only hurts emotional minus the occasional poping of a zit but still nothing compared to cancer & it's treatment like kimotherapy

Edited by fatalbert911, 06 August 2012 - 08:18 PM.